Gov shut over $5B Wall funding; which side will fold?

[enhanced_deficit]

In the ongoing Gov shut battle over MAGA's $5B Wall funding demand, which side will fold in the end in your view?



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYI2QN-qeuo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C300l5hndaU
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Coulter commended Trump this month for his willingness to shut down the government over his wall demand. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?530373-Dem-lawmaker-to-Ann-Coulter-Tell-Trump-it-s-OK-to-open-up-government&p=6736087&viewfull=1#post6736087)

"Though don’t worry, he’ll fold in the end," Coulter predicted while speaking on the "Mark Simone Show (https://www.iheart.com/podcast/mark-simone-20809356/episode/hour-2-louis-cks-comeback-30364383/)" on 710 WOR in New York.
GUTLESS PRESIDENT IN WALL-LESS COUNTRY (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529453-Coulter-Trump-Will-Not-Finish-Current-Term-quot-joke-presidency-who-scammed-the-American-people-quot&p=6722834&viewfull=1#post6722834)
In other words, Trump is doing exactly what I feared he would do in the worst conceivable way. He's not building the wall, while making ridiculous promises right up until the second before he folds.

[Cleaner44]

Hopefully neither. I am looking forward to a multi-year shutdown.

[Swordsmyth]

Neither side can afford to fold.

[enhanced_deficit]

Hopefully neither. I am looking forward to a multi-year shutdown.

Ok, but realistically that is extremely unlikely.
Would be very surprised if it even crossed 2-3 months mark.


But hopes can be different, this poll is about projection/prediction.

[nikcers]

Trump is going to probably up it to 10B now, that's how negotiations work.

[Swordsmyth]

Trump is going to probably up it to 10B now, that's how negotiations work.

He is winning, he should demand his entire wishlist.

[enhanced_deficit]

Neither side can afford to fold.

You're predicting this I gather:
"No one will fold, no end in sight to gov shut"


Trump is going to probably up it to 10B now, that's how negotiations work.

I have not read Art of the Deal, but you maybe right.

But if he opened gov without at least $5B funding agreement from Pelosi/Dems, would that constitute "folding"?
Talking heads would be very busy on radio/TV if that happened.
My guess is that MAGA will open gov without receiving $5B for Wall from Dems.

[RonZeplin]

They're all holding out for Comprehensive Immigration Reform DACA Amnesty, with a couple of rolls of barbed wire thrown in to patch up the border cattle fence.

The shutdown is about which wing of the D&R party gets the credit.

[Pauls' Revere]

realDonaldTrump Teach GOP what small gov really is. Continue shutdown, DO NOT CAVE! AMERICA FIRST!

[Swordsmyth]

They're all holding out for Comprehensive Immigration Reform DACA Amnesty, with a couple of rolls of barbed wire thrown in to patch up the border cattle fence.

The shutdown is about which wing of the D&R party gets the credit.
Sure, that's why it hasn't happened yet.:rolleyes:

That's a nice edited quote you have in your signature, why didn't you include a link so people can read the whole thing?


I vehemently oppose illegal immigration and abortion no matter who is involved, my record on both is clear.
I also manage to praise good actions on either no matter who is involved.

You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong, you never attack anyone else in politics about either one and you never argue with the posters here who defend either one.

Prove me wrong, show just one post where you admit one good thing Trump has done about either or one post in the last year where you attacked anyone else or opposed anyone on this forum.

[nikcers]

He is winning, he should demand his entire wishlist.

space force?

[Swordsmyth]

space force?
Only if he includes enough cuts to more than pay for it.

There are plenty of other things that I support that he should demand like massive reductions to legal immigration, more tax cuts, regulatory cuts etc.

[RonZeplin]

Sure, that's why it hasn't happened yet.:rolleyes:

That's a nice edited quote you have in your signature, why didn't you include a link so people can read the whole thing?

I'm not pushing your Trumpkin agenda for you. I disagree with your shuck 'n jive analysis, most of what you said about me is not true. I discuss a wide range of issues, on many different topics.

If Trump ever does anything good i MAY mention it, or not.

[kahless]

I am afraid Trump is going to virtue signal big time tomorrow when calling for an emergency to build the wall. Something like him giving away DACA, pathway to citizenship and more high tech H-1B visas. The shills on the right will call it a win and praise how he outmaneuvered the left despite the reality of betraying his base with policies that will increase immigration.

The average Joe on the right won't notice since the news media on the right will simply call it a win against the left and they will lap it up.

I so hope I am wrong.

[Swordsmyth]

I'm not pushing your Trumpkin agenda for you. I disagree with your shuck 'n jive analysis, most of what you said about me is not true. I discuss a wide range of issues, on many different topics.

If Trump ever does anything good i MAY mention it, or not.
You are a TDS troll, you don't post anything but attacks on Trump.

Prove me wrong, show just one post where you admit one good thing Trump has done about either or one post in the last year where you attacked anyone else or opposed anyone on this forum.

You prove your dishonesty with that out of context deceptively edited quote that doesn't include a link to the original.

[Swordsmyth]

I am afraid Trump is going to virtue signal big time tomorrow when calling for an emergency to build the wall. Something like him giving away DACA, pathway to citizenship and more high tech H-1B visas. The shills on the right will call it a win and praise how he outmaneuvered the left despite the reality of betraying his base with policies that will increase immigration.

The average Joe on the right won't notice since the news media on the right will simply call it a win against the left and they will lap it up.

I so hope I am wrong.
Why would he give the left a single thing if he has to declare an emergency to build the wall?
He can just build the wall and then agree to sign one of the bills they already passed without any of those things.
Thanks to Pelosi refusing to give one dollar for the wall the danger of him trading away any of those things is nil.

[Pauls' Revere]

Then again,...maybe this shutdown forces them to find money elsewhere and to do that they withdraw troops from overseas? Has anyone touched on this topic? any facts? idk, I'm spit balling here.

[RonZeplin]

You are a TDS troll, you don't post anything but attacks on Trump.

Prove me wrong, show just one post where you admit one good thing Trump has done about either or one post in the last year where you attacked anyone else or opposed anyone on this forum.

You prove your dishonesty with that out of context deceptively edited quote that doesn't include a link to the original.

You're full of what makes the grass grow green, just plain inaccurate.


Swordsmyth
It's almost like you don't really care about illegal immigration or abortion, you just care about attacking Trump even though he has done more on both issues than any other president we have had in a very long time.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?530468-Planned-Parenthood-Suffers-Major-Loss-in-Appellate-Court&p=6737336&viewfull=1#post6737336


You couldn't be more wrong, complete BS.

[Champ]

He's going to give the Democrats an ultimatum of a week or two to come to the table and negotiate, and if they fail, he will be declaring a national emergency in order to get funds from the Pentagon to pay for the wall.

But in all honesty, it feels like it's going to be the default disappointment. He could keep the momentum going, keep the government shut down, continue making fools of the Democrats, continue making fools of the deep state run media, etc, but he will do something that slips himself up and betrays his base instead. That's what it often feels like, but you never know until he actually commits. The Syria and Afghanistan announcements were massive surprises, praying it's something like that, but not exactly hopeful. Either way, enjoying the hilarity of the Democrat elites squirming like crazy with the Great Flight Cancellation and Great Bus Fiasco of 2019.

[kahless]

Why would he give the left a single thing if he has to declare an emergency to build the wall?
He can just build the wall and then agree to sign one of the bills they already passed without any of those things.
Thanks to Pelosi refusing to give one dollar for the wall the danger of him trading away any of those things is nil.

For someone that sticks to his principles it makes no sense. I fear that he believes it is more important to him to boast about how he accomplished these things without them, boasting of his win in doing so and then basking in the praise from the corporate media on the right. He seeks affirmation from his adversaries time and time again, and will do anything to attain praise.

If he follows through he will virtue signal about this for years on end and how minorities and immigrants love him for it. He will use it for his 2020 campaign which he will lose miserably by betraying his campaign promises and his base. The minorities will still vote Democrat regardless and they will not be enough to offset the numbers who stay home whom he betrayed.

Again, I hope I am wrong.

[Swordsmyth]

For someone that sticks to his principles it makes no sense. I fear that he believes it is more important to him to boast about how he accomplished these things without them, boasting of his win in doing so and then basking in the praise from the corporate media on the right. He seeks affirmation from his adversaries time and time again, and will do anything to attain praise.

If he follows through he will virtue signal about this for years on end and how minorities and immigrants love him for it. He will use it for his 2020 campaign which he will lose miserably by betraying his campaign promises and his base. The minorities will still vote Democrat regardless and they will not be enough to offset the numbers who stay home whom he betrayed.

Again, I hope I am wrong.
It's possible but I would think that he would demand something else as part of any such deal, just giving those things away doesn't make any sense even if you are right.

[Swordsmyth]

You're full of what makes the grass grow green, just plain inaccurate.



You couldn't be more wrong, complete BS.
I don't see you proving me wrong or you removing that misleading quote.

You might as well just admit you are a TDS troll because your behavior already does.

[kahless]

It's possible but I would think that he would demand something else as part of any such deal, just giving those things away doesn't make any sense even if you are right.

What did he get for the bump stock ban?

[Swordsmyth]

What did he get for the bump stock ban?
The theory is that he got to defuse the demands for a semi-auto ban.
I disagree with him about it but he didn't just give the left everything they wanted in return for nothing.

[RonZeplin]

I don't see you proving me wrong or you removing that misleading quote.

You might as well just admit you are a TDS troll because your behavior already does.

This conversation with you is OVER. The end.

You'll have to figure out some other way to divert attention away from the topic of this thread.

[Swordsmyth]

This conversation with you is OVER. The end.

You'll have to figure out some other way to divert attention away from the topic of this thread.

:rolleyes:

[nobody's_hero]

If I were Trump, I'd keep the shutdown going until those workers give up and rejoin the private sector. Then when people realize they don't really miss all that government, I'd cut it. Democrats won't be able to fearmonger anymore and dangle that carrot over people since the people themselves will have given up on having all that extra government.

The most dangerous thing for the democrats is that people realize we don't really need all that government. Kind of like how declaring 'we'll all starve if we lose food stamps' doesn't work too well on people who have actually found meaningful work and no longer need them. Trump has already kicked that leg off from under their chair.

[Cleaner44]

Ok, but realistically that is extremely unlikely.
Would be very surprised if it even crossed 2-3 months mark.


But hopes can be different, this poll is about projection/prediction.

In that case my prediction is that Trump will win and the Democrats will fold first.

[enhanced_deficit]

He is winning, he should demand his entire wishlist.

Looks like he's driving that behind the scenes through his senior advisors:

I'm the one that's pushing DACA, Trump tells Judge Jeanine (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?521731-I-m-the-one-that-s-pushing-DACA-Trump-tells-Judge-Jeanine&)

Kushner reaches out to Congress on shutdown, 'DACA for the wall' deal gains steam (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?530182-Kushner-reaches-out-to-Congress-on-shutdown-DACA-for-the-wall-deal-gains-steam&)

Trump & Democrats Near Agreement on DACA (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?514924-Trump-amp-Democrats-Near-Agreement-on-DACA&)





The most dangerous thing for the democrats is that people realize we don't really need all that government. Kind of like how declaring 'we'll all starve if we lose food stamps' doesn't work too well on people who have actually found meaningful work and no longer need them. Trump has already kicked that leg off from under their chair.

Reportedly there was a reversal:

White House reverses course on food stamp funding
01/08/2019
Trump administration officials said Tuesday that the Agriculture Department will be able to pay out food stamp benefits for the entire month of February — tamping down fears that the partial government shutdown could have resulted in rationing or halting of benefits. The assurance that the food stamp program, which serves nearly 39 million people, would be on secure financial footing for February marked another major reversal from the administration in the ongoing shutdown fight.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/08/usda-funds-february-snap-benefits-1069641

President Trump Signs Back Pay Bill (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?530396-President-Trump-Signs-Back-Pay-Bill&)
President Donald Trump has signed the bill guaranteeing back pay for the furloughed federal government workers, which underscores the reason for this shutdown: Democrats refusing to provide $5.7 billion in funds for President Trump’s southern border wall.

[Schifference]

People that are truly cold and hungry would be happy to be in a 50* draft free environment with warm clothing eating squirrel.

Ultimately Pelosi will fold under duress claiming it was for the people she represents not for Trumps wall.

[enhanced_deficit]

He's going to give the Democrats an ultimatum of a week or two to come to the table and negotiate, and if they fail, he will be declaring a national emergency in order to get funds from the Pentagon to pay for the wall.

But in all honesty, it feels like it's going to be the default disappointment. He could keep the momentum going, keep the government shut down, continue making fools of the Democrats, continue making fools of the deep state run media, etc, but he will do something that slips himself up and betrays his base instead. That's what it often feels like, but you never know until he actually commits. The Syria and Afghanistan announcements were massive surprises, praying it's something like that, but not exactly hopeful. Either way, enjoying the hilarity of the Democrat elites squirming like crazy with the Great Flight Cancellation and Great Bus Fiasco of 2019.

Hopefully won't be remembered for cancellation of great SOTU speech with live national TV coverage.

MAGA has been trying hard to bring Dems to table and has sweetened the deal by reversing his previous position but Dems don't seem to be budging so far:



Trump dangles DACA program deal in exchange for border wall (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?530182-Kushner-reaches-out-to-Congress-on-shutdown-DACA-for-the-wall-deal-gains-steam&p=6735590&viewfull=1#post6735590)

The president previously said DACA should be excluded from talks of a southern border wall until the Supreme Court weighs in.
January 13, 2019 7:49 PM
WASHINGTON — With no end in sight to the longest government shutdown, President Donald Trump dangled the prospect of a deal on the Obama-era DACA program in exchange for Democrats’ support for his $5.7 billion demand to build a southern border wall.





The shutdown is about which wing of the D&R party gets the credit.

Could be.

[Anti Globalist]

Neither side is going to give in anytime soon.

[enhanced_deficit]

On an unrelated note, GOP's last rockstar/MAGA whose "DOMA/Anti Gay Wedding" election campaign was no less electrifying than current MAGA's "Mexico Will Pay for the Wall" election slogan is back in news. To give credit where due:

Bush gets pizza for Secret Service, calls for an end to the shutdown

(https://www.cnn.com/profiles/caroline-kelly)By Caroline Kelly, CNN
(CNN)Former President George W. Bush called for federal lawmakers to "put politics aside" and end the government shutdown in an Instagram post Friday that showed him giving pizza to his Secret Service detail.

"@LauraWBush and I are grateful to our Secret Service personnel and the thousands of Federal employees who are working hard for our country without a paycheck," he wrote in the post (https://www.instagram.com/p/BsykhY0Asju/), with a photo of himself bringing his detail boxes of pizza.

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190118171407-george-w-gives-pizza-to-secret-service-medium-plus-169.jpg

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/18/polit...own/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/18/politics/george-w-bush-43-secret-service-pizza-government-shutdown/index.html)

[RonZeplin]

Hopefully won't be remembered for cancellation of great SOTU speech with live national TV coverage.

MAGA has been trying hard to bring Dems to table and has sweetened the deal by reversing his previous position but Dems don't seem to be budging so far:



Could be.

Bush was re-elected as an Amnesty Reconquista Republican, Trump wants to do the same IMO.

http://www.texemarrs.com/images/bush_waves_mexican_flag.gif
2004 GOP Presidential Campaign

MAGA = Make Aztlan Great Again

[enhanced_deficit]

MAGA will not cave in, per latest tweet:



Donald J. Trump‏ Verified account @realDonaldTrump

Without a Wall our Country can never have Border or National Security. With a powerful Wall or Steel Barrier, Crime Rates (and Drugs) will go substantially down all over the U.S. The Dems know this but want to play political games. Must finally be done correctly. No Cave!

4:48 AM - 22 Jan 2019


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1087693453394432001




Trump's border wall offer looks doomed in the Senate as 800,000 government workers face another lost paycheck during shutdown (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/22/trump-offer-to-end-government-shutdown-build-wall-faces-senate-vote.html)




A Senate bill reflecting President Donald Trump's proposal to reopen the government will likely fail this week.
Lawmakers are still at an impasse over whether to fund the president's proposed border wall even as a partial government shutdown is in its 32nd day.
About 800,000 federal workers risk missing a second paycheck later this week, while the closure will continue to sap economic growth and disrupt services.


Jacob Pramuk
Published 1 Hour Ago Updated 28 Mins Ago

[RonZeplin]

MAGA will not cave in, per latest tweet:

the closure will continue to sap economic growth and disrupt services.

Jacob Pramuk


LOL, them's some funny boys over at CNBC.

[EBounding]

I think Trump will fold. Within the next 3 weeks, Trump will sign whatever spending to end the shut down and say he's going to use the military to build some sort of wall monument. But it'll be illegal and he'll be blocked from doing it. But he'll get big MAGA credit for trying. THE END

[acptulsa]

Bush was re-elected as an Amnesty Reconquista Republican, Trump wants to do the same IMO.

http://www.texemarrs.com/images/bush_waves_mexican_flag.gif
2004 GOP Presidential Campaign

MAGA = Make Aztlan Great Again


https://youtube.com/watch?v=TcHlXNFpr-s

[Swordsmyth]

I think Trump will fold. Within the next 3 weeks, Trump will sign whatever spending to end the shut down and say he's going to use the military to build some sort of wall monument. But it'll be illegal and he'll be blocked from doing it. But he'll get big MAGA credit for trying. THE END
Nope.

[oyarde]

I voted . You heard it here first , Pelosi hates americans and govt employees too .

[Stratovarious]

I voted . You heard it here first , Pelosi hates americans and govt employees too .
That's right, Pelosi is keeping govt employees from their checks.
Over a budget item that is dwarfed by her liquor bill.

[RonZeplin]

I think Trump will fold. Within the next 3 weeks, Trump will sign whatever spending to end the shut down and say he's going to use the military to build some sort of wall monument. But it'll be illegal and he'll be blocked from doing it. But he'll get big MAGA credit for trying. THE END

It's not illegal for the Corp of Engineers and National Guard units to build & repair walls and fences, that's for sure. There are many unit logos on the Operation Gatekeeper runway mat wall between San Diego and Jacumba, built in the '90's. There are also Corp of Engineer yards for equipment and supplies on the border. It takes upkeep just to keep the wall & fencing standing.

The steel mat gets torch cut next to the posts and then smeared with mud to make them less noticeable, and you can knock the section of runway down easily. That's why I prefer a concrete pillars with gaps wall, although even those could be cut.

BP looks for stuff like that and gets it fixed quickly.

https://src.lafargeholcim-foundation.org/img/024d91d0-4be7-4b28-86b5-2ac0e6ffa79c/h(true)/c(562-1.33333333333333-100-5.11237733459956-0)/border_fencing.jpg

Unit logo on the runway mat wall, next to the Pacific Crest Trail head in Campo, CA. About 40 miles east of San Diego.

[PAF]

Just something to consider... Trump doesn’t call the shots. TPTB may know that liberty is rising, to some degree more or less. To keep the duopoly alive and well trump gains “support”, throws a few good bones here and there that the base supports, keeping them distracted.

I am deeply concerned about that USMCA and also Property Rights. Too many neocons on other forums support that USMCA, never even having read it and believe it is the greatest agreement in their lifetime. While cheering and urging trump to take land that does not belong to them to build a wall, never uttering a word to end any incentives. Of course USMCA along with forfeiting Private Property are U.N. agendas.

Which side “folds” is not the issue. TPTB, Tech Sector Lobbyists in bed with UN and their initiatives throughout the world, who want Bio-ID, facial recognition, drones, and other surveillance technologies, paid for by the tax payer, will provide instruction to the WH, depending on what if any “outcry” from the people at this point and time.

[enhanced_deficit]

Some in media trying paint MAGA as weak and already spreading rumors that MAGA will fold :



Pelosi not giving an inch... (https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/donald-trump-nancy-pelosi-government-shutdown/index.html)




https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/XGwPFHOMgysgKPdxwMKBoA--~B/aD0yODc4O3c9NDYzODtzbT0xO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/b05129cd1e4049278dd9abdf16b47d88.jpg
HOW ABOUT A DOWN PAYMENT? (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/24/white-house-demands-large-down-payment-on-the-wall-as-schumer-and-mcconnell-try-to-reach-shutdown-deal.html) https://www.drudgereport.com/i/logo9.gif

[Swordsmyth]

Some in media trying paint MAGA as weak and already spreading rumors that MAGA will fold :



Pelosi not giving an inch... (https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/donald-trump-nancy-pelosi-government-shutdown/index.html)




https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/XGwPFHOMgysgKPdxwMKBoA--~B/aD0yODc4O3c9NDYzODtzbT0xO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/b05129cd1e4049278dd9abdf16b47d88.jpg
HOW ABOUT A DOWN PAYMENT? (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/24/white-house-demands-large-down-payment-on-the-wall-as-schumer-and-mcconnell-try-to-reach-shutdown-deal.html) https://www.drudgereport.com/i/logo9.gif


Trump continues to look like the reasonable one who is trying to end the shutdown and yet he never has to pay off on any of the compromises he offers because he knows that Pelosi will never agree to $1 for the wall.

He can declare an emergency and build the wall any time he wants or he can keep the shutdown going until the 2020 election while it becomes ever more clear that Pelosi is the problem.

#Winning

[PursuePeace]

Hopefully neither. I am looking forward to a multi-year shutdown.

Ditto.

[enhanced_deficit]

EBounding,
kahless,
kpitcher







Looks like we have three winners who made the right call, congrats.




Trump continues to look like the reasonable one who is trying to end the shutdown and yet he never has to pay off on any of the compromises he offers because he knows that Pelosi will never agree to $1 for the wall.

He can declare an emergency and build the wall any time he wants or he can keep the shutdown going until the 2020 election while it becomes ever more clear that Pelosi is the problem.

#Winning

Have to admit he is starting to look even more reasonable than Jeb Bush.
Do you agree with his decision to open gov today without getting the money he had demanded from Dems?

[AuH20]

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[RJB]

Some in media trying paint MAGA as weak and already spreading rumors that MAGA will fold :



Pelosi not giving an inch... (https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/donald-trump-nancy-pelosi-government-shutdown/index.html)




https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/XGwPFHOMgysgKPdxwMKBoA--~B/aD0yODc4O3c9NDYzODtzbT0xO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/b05129cd1e4049278dd9abdf16b47d88.jpg
HOW ABOUT A DOWN PAYMENT? (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/24/white-house-demands-large-down-payment-on-the-wall-as-schumer-and-mcconnell-try-to-reach-shutdown-deal.html) https://www.drudgereport.com/i/logo9.gif

That building's line down his neck makes it look like he was hanged. Not reading into it, but the media has been extra crazy lately.

[EBounding]

Looks like we have three winners who made the right call, congrats.

Thanks. My favorite part of the speech was how he called his concession a deal and that he had a much more powerful alternative that he didn't want to use.

[timosman]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1088905304769683456

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[timosman]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1088958154791100417

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[enhanced_deficit]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1088958154791100417

1088958154791100417 Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

I wish people would read or listen to my words on the Border Wall. This was in no way a concession. It was taking care of millions of people who were getting badly hurt by the Shutdown with the understanding that in 21 days, if no deal is done, it’s off to the races!

4:33 PM - 25 Jan 2019



Since he frequently contradicts himself his statements can't be trusted at all, you have to watch his actions to even guess about his positions or plans.


Not just purists like Coulter, MAGA supporters are a tough crowd.

[EBounding]

He’s trying to reprogram the MAGA’s. It’s sort of working—tRuSt tHe PlAn

[timosman]

He’s trying to reprogram the MAGA’s. It’s sort of working—tRuSt tHe PlAn

Do not ask what the plan is.

[acptulsa]

I think Trump will fold. Within the next 3 weeks, Trump will sign whatever spending to end the shut down and say he's going to use the military to build some sort of wall monument. But it'll be illegal and he'll be blocked from doing it. But he'll get big MAGA credit for trying. THE END

Nope.

Yup.

[Swordsmyth]

Yup.
We will see what happens in three weeks.

[Dary]

The jig is up.


It's clear now that in the future, the dems can pass any spending bill that they want through the house and if the repubs don't pass it thru the senate and Trump doesn't sign it, then the gov will get shut down again and trump will get the blame again.


He may declare an emergency and get his wall, but that's all ancient history now.


They've got him by the nuts.

[Swordsmyth]

The jig is up.


It's clear now that in the future, the dems can pass any spending bill that they want through the house and if the repubs don't pass it thru the senate and Trump doesn't sign it, then the gov will get shut down again and trump will get the blame again.


He may declare an emergency and get his wall, but that's all ancient history now.


They've got him by the nuts.
Maybe, maybe not.

When your enemy believes that then he becomes vulnerable.

[enhanced_deficit]

Neither side can afford to fold.


Media commentaries are claiming MAGA is folding again.


Published 11 hours ago

Lawmakers reach 'agreement in principle' in border security talks, with $1.3B for barrier

Sources tell Fox News the $1.3 billion can be used only for new construction that would cover approximately 55 miles of border territory in the Rio Grande Valley.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lawmakers-reach-agreement-in-principle-on-border-security-talks-with-13b-for-barrier

[Swordsmyth]

Media commentaries are claiming MAGA is folding again.


Published 11 hours ago

Lawmakers reach 'agreement in principle' in border security talks, with $1.3B for barrier

Sources tell Fox News the $1.3 billion can be used only for new construction that would cover approximately 55 miles of border territory in the Rio Grande Valley.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lawmakers-reach-agreement-in-principle-on-border-security-talks-with-13b-for-barrier

The Shutdown is coming.

[phill4paul]

Media commentaries are claiming MAGA is folding again.


Published 11 hours ago

Lawmakers reach 'agreement in principle' in border security talks, with $1.3B for barrier

Sources tell Fox News the $1.3 billion can be used only for new construction that would cover approximately 55 miles of border territory in the Rio Grande Valley.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lawmakers-reach-agreement-in-principle-on-border-security-talks-with-13b-for-barrier

I imagine he'll go ahead with this deal. He'll take the $1.3 and I heard he can appropriate another billion from else where. That will get the ball rolling. He'll bide his time until there is something the Dems want then negotiate. Either that or he will just declare an emergency and put the military on it.

[EBounding]

I think Trump will fold. Within the next 3 weeks, Trump will sign whatever spending to end the shut down and say he's going to use the military to build some sort of wall monument. But it'll be illegal and he'll be blocked from doing it. But he'll get big MAGA credit for trying. THE END


Dang. I thought he'd be a little more True Alpha Male and at least try declaring an emergency. :(

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-is-expected-to-sign-border-security-deal-11550064070?mod=breakingnews




*Trump Is Expected to Sign Border-Security Deal -- Sources

*Deal Would Keep Government Open Past Friday

*Deal Allocates $1.38 Billion for 55 miles of Physical Barriers, Falling Short of Trump’s Wall Asks

(More to come)

[enhanced_deficit]

Attacks like Hannity's 'garbage compromise' and memes like these do not help.



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Dang. I thought he'd be a little more True Alpha Male and at least try declaring an emergency. :(

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-is-expected-to-sign-border-security-deal-11550064070?mod=breakingnews


Good call.

It's bit surprising that quite a few of vocal MAGA supporters here lately have been predicting the opposite of what MAGA ends up doing.

[Swordsmyth]

Dang. I thought he'd be a little more True Alpha Male and at least try declaring an emergency. :(

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-is-expected-to-sign-border-security-deal-11550064070?mod=breakingnews
That's what they said before the last shutdown.

Anonymous sources are worthless.

[Swordsmyth]

Dang. I thought he'd be a little more True Alpha Male and at least try declaring an emergency. :(

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-is-expected-to-sign-border-security-deal-11550064070?mod=breakingnews


That's what they said before the last shutdown.

Anonymous sources are worthless.

Just hours after Steny Hoyer said a vote on the border funding compromise bill had been set for Thursday night, Republican members of the 17-lawmaker compromise committee have told Fox that some internal squabbling has erupted over the text of the bill. Georgia Congressman Tom Graves said the bill is "leaking oil" right now. He's recommending that the text of the bill be allowed to sit for a few days in the name of transparency. Graves is undecided on the bill, but if he bolts, it could possibly kill the compromise. Meanwhile, after announcing that he would sign the bill, President Trump said he will instead wait to see the text so he can look for "land mines."

President Trump says he is looking for "landmines” in the deal reached by lawmakers and will take a "serious" look at it: "I don't want to see a shutdown. A shutdown would be a terrible thing ... I don't want to see another one, there's no reason for it" https://t.co/MCIhKvXzHR pic.twitter.com/pJRNkEIwYu (https://t.co/pJRNkEIwYu)
— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) February 13, 2019 (https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/1095767454788259843?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) Fox reporter Chad Pegram has more details below:

Text of border security bill expected to be available later today. But Hse won’t consider the legislation until Thurs night. That's to accommodate mbrs to attend funerals. Dingell here in DC. Other mbrs will go to NC for funeral of late GOP NC Rep Walter Jones
— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) February 13, 2019 (https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1095764336734334984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
On border security bill, one source close to the process told Fox they are “struggling” to finish the text of the bill. Another conservative source told Fox that the bill “is leaking oil right now.”
— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) February 13, 2019 (https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1095764411720048640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
On border security deal, Fox is told there is some internal GOP bickering…as Republicans feel they misplayed their hand. They could have had as much as $1.6 billion for the wall last year…but that number has now dropped to $1.375 billion.
— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) February 13, 2019 (https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1095764474366177291?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
Border security conferee & appropriator Rep. Tom Graves (R-GA) could be a weather vane as to how the border security bill may go. Graves is undecided now. But if he bolts, other conservatives could too. Pelosi needs help from Dems to pass the bill. Can't do it w/just Dem votes
— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) February 13, 2019 (https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1095764777123627008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
Increasing chatter on Capitol Hill now about the need for an interim spending bill. Some members simply won’t be willing to vote on legislation this fast..just getting it dropped in their laps.
— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) February 13, 2019 (https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1095765059115069441?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
Pausing to do a stopgap bill could kill the entire border security pkg. If the conferees let the package sit out there too long, the legislation, much like houseguests and fish, will start to smell after three days. That could scuttle the plan.
— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) February 13, 2019 (https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1095765200811249671?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
GOP GA Rep & border security conferee Tom Graves on letting the bill be available for a few days before voting:
In the name of transparency, that’s not a bad idea
— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) February 13, 2019 (https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1095765259321856000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
Appropriators say there has been no direct action on a stopgap spending bill. They fear that scenario because they feel it would be the death knell for the border security package
— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) February 13, 2019 (https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1095772238991843328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) The upshot: Markets continued their torrid post-Christmas gains on Wednesday under the assumption that a shutdown had been averted. But investors may have reacted too soon.
* * *

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-13/trump-sign-border-deal-averting-2nd-shutdown-cnn

[EBounding]

Dang. I thought he'd be a little more True Alpha Male and at least try declaring an emergency. :(

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-is-expected-to-sign-border-security-deal-11550064070?mod=breakingnews

Oh wait, here we go!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/lawmakers-set-to-vote-on-spending-package-to-keep-government-open-11550157589?mod=breakingnews


Breaking News...

*McConnell: Trump Said He Will Sign Spending Deal and Also Declare National Emergency

*McConnell: Senate Will Begin Votes At 3:30 on Spending Bill

*McConnell: Will Support Declaration of National Emergency

(More to Come)

[enhanced_deficit]

Oh wait, here we go!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/lawmakers-set-to-vote-on-spending-package-to-keep-government-open-11550157589?mod=breakingnews


Right wing conservatives ( non GOP-Adelson) are alreading claiming MAGA folded as they predicted.

[brushfire]

"Other" - the government will not shutdown. Instead, they will shut down national parks, and the media will refer to the event as "the government shutdown".


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