Trump says he will make a ‘major’ announcement on Saturday

[Warlord]

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1086395559504764930

[enhanced_deficit]

Syria exit or Bolton firing?

Hopefully Couter's prediction about MAGA folding on gov shut over $5B demand won't be realized on Sat.


If it's China or NK related, that would be likely just fluff.

[Zippyjuan]

Going to declare his emergency? We have been under "emergency" a lot under Trump. He had to declare an emergency to enact his tariffs for one. Assuming that Democrats vote to end one, they have the House already and would only need three Republicans in the Senate. Some are concerned about presidents grabbing more powers.

Of course any declaration would be tied up in the courts for a while. OR a majority in Congress (both the House and Senate) can vote to end the emergency. Many Republicans question the need to declare an emergency to fund a border wall.


https://www.alternet.org/2019/01/how-congress-could-curb-trumps-abuse-of-powers-if-he-declares-a-fake-emergency-to-build-a-border-wall/


How Congress could curb Trump’s abuse of powers if he declares a fake emergency to build a border wall

If President Donald Trump declares a national emergency to fund some portion of a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border without congressional authorization, what would happen next?

Would the courts step in? What is Congress’ role?

As I explain in my book “Emergency Presidential Power,” presidents generally claim emergency power two ways: through inherent or implied authority under the U.S. Constitution or under statutory authority granted by Congress.

Relying on the Constitution as a basis for emergency power is controversial, and less likely to stand up to meaningful congressional or judicial review. The U.S. Constitution says nothing specific about presidential emergency power: Presidents can only claim such authority is implied or inherent.

The emergency powers the Constitution does describe are actually assigned to Congress. Congress has delegated some emergency powers to the president through statutes, including the National Emergencies Act. But Congress retains the power to reject a president’s declaration of a national emergency.

If President Trump does declare an emergency, the question is: Will Congress use the power available to it, or will it play the role of passive spectator?

Gaining congressional approval

Since presidents lack any specific constitutional emergency power, they often find it necessary to gain congressional authorization. For instance, at the start of the Civil War, with Congress out of session, President Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus and took other unilateral actions. He later sought and gained retroactive approval from Congressfor these actions.

This precedent of gaining congressional approval was put to the test nearly 100 years later. In 1952, President Harry Truman claimed emergency power to take control of steel factories during the Korean War in response to a labor strike. He invoked a “very great inherent power to meet great national emergencies.” Congress took no specific action to approve or disapprove, though a pre-existing statute on the books weighed against Truman.

When factory owners sued the administration, the Supreme Court, by a 6-3 vote, ruled against Truman in the famous Youngstown Sheet decision. Justice Robert H. Jackson’s concurring opinion in that case has been especially influential and is often cited by legal scholars and judges. He outlined a three-part test to be used as a starting point in determining when presidential action is constitutionally permissible.

Under Jackson’s test, presidents are on the strongest possible footing when acting with congressional approval. In this case, Jackson said, Truman’s position was weak since he was taking action that did not comply with the relevant legislative framework. In Jackson’s view, Truman’s reliance on inherent emergency power under the Constitution would dangerously concentrate power in the president’s hands, something the framers would not have wanted.

Congress’s role

Jackson’s opinion in Youngstown suggested that emergency power could be defined by Congress in statutes.

Congress took up that suggestion with the National Emergencies Act of 1976. Though the act was designed to set limits on presidential power to declare national emergencies of indefinite length, it has ended up providing a largely unregulated way for presidents to take unilateral action. Congress has failed to fulfill its responsibilities under the law.

The National Emergencies Act permits the president to declare a national emergency without congressional approval, triggering specific statutory powers that the president can use. For instance, presidents have used this law to impose economic sanctions against terrorists after 9/11 or regulate foreign ships in U.S. waters. Thirty-one emergency declarations are currently in effect under the statute.

Congress can vote at any time to terminate a state of emergency, and is required by the statute to meet every six months while an emergency is in effect to consider whether it should continue. However, it has never voted on an emergency declared by a president or held meetings as required by the statute.

Perhaps most importantly for Trump, the National Emergencies Act provides no criteria for deciding whether a national emergency exists. We know from history that presidents can contrive emergencies as a pretext for action.




By contrast, it would be straightforward for Congress to reverse a declaration of national emergency. The National Emergencies Act gives legislators authority to reject a presidential declaration of national emergency through simple legislation that would require majorities in the House and Senate. President Trump would presumably veto such action. Legislators would have the opportunity to override a presidential veto with a two-thirds majority vote. That of course would be no easy task in the current Congress.

[enhanced_deficit]

Going to declare his emergency? We have been under "emergency" a lot under Trump. He had to declare an emergency to enact his tariffs for one.



Folding is not an option. But if not emergency, what is alternative to deliver such high profile camapaign promise?


The record government shutdown, if not resolved soon, could be 'fodder for recession': Moody's



"If this drags on into February, March, then growth rates are going to fall to a place where unemployment will start to rise," warns economist Mark Zandi.
Zandi argues the economy was looking "wobbly" even before the start of the partial government shutdown, which on Friday entered Day 28.

Matthew J. Belvedere | @matt_ (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=31157)Belvedere
Published 7 Hours Ago Updated 3 Hours Ago

[Zippyjuan]

The monies he wants to seize are from disaster relief funds which were earmarked for hurricane victims.

[Swordsmyth]

The monies he wants to seize are from disaster relief funds which were earmarked for hurricane victims.
There are lots of other funds that he can use.

[Stratovarious]

Going to declare his emergency? We have been under "emergency" a lot under Trump. He had to declare an emergency to enact his tariffs for one. Assuming that Democrats vote to end one, they have the House already and would only need three Republicans in the Senate. Some are concerned about presidents grabbing more powers.

Of course any declaration would be tied up in the courts for a while. OR a majority in Congress (both the House and Senate) can vote to end the emergency. Many Republicans question the need to declare an emergency to fund a border wall.


https://www.alternet.org/2019/01/how-congress-could-curb-trumps-abuse-of-powers-if-he-declares-a-fake-emergency-to-build-a-border-wall/
Do you have a link to your claim the Trump declared a National Emergency in order to
enact tariffs'?

[Zippyjuan]

Do you have a link to your claim the Trump declared a National Emergency in order to
enact tariffs'?

He said they were a matter of "national security"- otherwise the power to raise tariffs would have been up to Congress, not the President. https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnbrinkley/2018/03/12/trumps-national-security-tariffs-have-nothing-to-do-with-national-security/#4b08af94706c

[Swordsmyth]

He said they were a matter of "national security"- otherwise the power to raise tariffs would have been up to Congress, not the President. https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnbrinkley/2018/03/12/trumps-national-security-tariffs-have-nothing-to-do-with-national-security/#4b08af94706c

That's not the same thing.

[Zippyjuan]

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[nikcers]

So this is what its like to have a president that cares about this country.

[Swordsmyth]

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They can't do that, Trump can only do it because there is already a law authorizing the construction of the fence and defending against an invasion is a Constitutional mandate.

National emergencies aren't some new precedent, past administrations have declared many of them and some of them are still active.

Stop insulting our intelligence.

[Zippyjuan]

So this is what its like to have a president that cares about this country.

We need more dictators who can do what they want and ignore the people and Congress. Imagine if Clinton had those powers the things she could do!

[Stratovarious]

He said they were a matter of "national security"- otherwise the power to raise tariffs would have been up to Congress, not the President. https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnbrinkley/2018/03/12/trumps-national-security-tariffs-have-nothing-to-do-with-national-security/#4b08af94706c
''he said'' equates to legally declaring a 'National Emergency' ?

[Swordsmyth]

We need more dictators who can do what they want and ignore the people and Congress. Imagine if Clinton had those powers the things she could do!
That is not what is going on here.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

We need more dictators who can do what they want and ignore the people and Congress.


Says the big government progressive rah-rahing for his blue team.

[TER]

I count a lot of paid shills on this thread.

DC must be in a panic.

More popcorn will be needed.

Incidentally, tomorrow is National Popcorn Day.


I love this POTUS!

[TheCount]

Oh boy!

[Jamesiv1]

It's going to be a fantastic, luxurious announcement.

[timosman]

So this is what its like to have a president that cares about this country.

Getting shit done is not that hard. Any of the previous slackers-in-chief could have done it if their main objective wasn't to pretend they are not unqualified for the position they were in. :cool:

[Pauls' Revere]

shut more of the government down! please! do it! Fuck it! until we learn we can live our lives much better and freer without so much of it.

[Pauls' Revere]

realDonaldTrump Prez, push agenda that FREE MARKET BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES can fill void left by Gov shutdown. FREE MARKET WORKS, push agenda that we can do this! AMERICA FIRST!

[devil21]

They can't do that, Trump can only do it because there is already a law authorizing the construction of the fence and defending against an invasion is a Constitutional mandate.

National emergencies aren't some new precedent, past administrations have declared many of them and some of them are still active.

Stop insulting our intelligence.

All Presidents declare a national emergency of some sort every 3-6 months. The country has been under a constant state of emergency since at least 1933. It's how it has remained under military rule (fringed flag) the entire time.

[RonZeplin]

Trump Backs 'Path To Citizenship' For H-1B Recipients: 'Rest Assured That Changes Are Soon Coming' (https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=59663)

President Trump did a complete 180 on the "America First" visa policies he ran on by announcing Friday that H-1B holders "can rest assured that changes are soon coming" which will give them a "path to citizenship."

"H1-B holders in the United States can rest assured that changes are soon coming which will bring both simplicity and certainty to your stay, including a potential path to citizenship," Trump tweeted. "We want to encourage talented and highly skilled people to pursue career options in the U.S."

"Mr. President, what about American tech workers who are being displaced by H-1B guest workers and recent college grads who can't find jobs in STEM fields? American workers are truly the best and brightest. You pledged to put American workers first. This isn't it," NumbersUSA responded.

https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=59663

https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.gwDeRbWb_aRBrilDsFOXTwHaFj&pid=Api&w=700&h=525&rs=1&p=0

[Swordsmyth]

https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.gwDeRbWb_aRBrilDsFOXTwHaFj&pid=Api&w=700&h=525&rs=1&p=0

That's a nice edited quote you have in your signature, why didn't you include a link so people can read the whole thing?


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Swordsmyth http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=6737359#post6737359)

I vehemently oppose illegal immigration and abortion no matter who is involved, my record on both is clear.
I also manage to praise good actions on either no matter who is involved.

You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong, you never attack anyone else in politics about either one and you never argue with the posters here who defend either one.

Prove me wrong, show just one post where you admit one good thing Trump has done about either or one post in the last year where you attacked anyone else or opposed anyone on this forum.

[devil21]

That's a nice edited quote you have in your signature, why didn't you include a link so people can read the whole thing?

Don't be mad at RonZeplin. He took the red pill.

Speaking of sigs, your "those who fail to learn from the past" quote is so uber ironic that I just can't....

[Swordsmyth]

Don't be mad at RonZeplin. He took the red pill.
That explains why he has to post a deceptively edited quote in his signature?
That explains why he ignores everything good Trump does about his two favorite subjects?
That explains why he never attacks anyone but Trump?
That explains why he never argues with pro-abortion or open borders posters?

He took some kind of pill but it wasn't red.

[Cap]

https://youtu.be/C1LVHdOFBVk

[TheTexan]

So exciting! The suspense is killing me.

[TheTexan]

I hope it's a new war :cool:

[Stratovarious]

Defunding:
DHS
NSA
TSA
CPS
FBI
CIA
BLM
IRS

[Stratovarious]

Replacing Nancy Peyote with Obama's Dog, he will assert that
the dog will uphold our constitution and smells better.

[kpitcher]

On the next Apprentice : White House edition, a surprise announcement keeps everyone on their toes.

We have had a number of disappointing big announcements. The bottom of the pile would be when candidate Trump dismissed his years of birther research in a hasty press conference.

My guess : He's going to give his state of the union at a political rally location of his choosing

[phill4paul]

DACA for wall. A compromise every one can walk away from with money in their pockets.

[enhanced_deficit]

So this is what its like to have a president that cares about this country.

Seems that way.
There are rumors he will be offering Dems a deal, could be related to these recent developments.

Kushner reaches out to Congress on shutdown, 'DACA for the wall' deal gains steam (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?530182-Kushner-reaches-out-to-Congress-on-shutdown-DACA-for-the-wall-deal-gains-steam&)

I'm the one that's pushing DACA, Trump tells Judge Jeanine (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?521731-I-m-the-one-that-s-pushing-DACA-Trump-tells-Judge-Jeanine&)

[Wooden Indian]

Just to Troll:

1. Make no deal and widen the shutdown.

2. Place multiple ads on social media with footage of Schumer himself campaigning for the wall under Obummer's presidency.

3. Give a National Address with a deadline for THEM to end the shutdown and to fund the wall THEY wanted under Obama.

4. If the deadline passes, announce that he himself will be reopening the government for the People, and funding The Schumer Wall with emergency monies, condemning their subversion, but thanking them for the wall "blueprint" much like Obama did for Romneycare.

What I wish would happen.

1. Leave it shutdown forever.

2. See step 1.

[Pauls' Revere]

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-promises-announcement-border-talks-090000368.html

(Bloomberg) -- President Donald Trump “major announcement” on Saturday will include a proposal to extend protections for so-called Dreamers for three years, in exchange for $5.7 billion in funds for border security, said a person familiar with the proposal.

As well as protections for Dreamers, young people brought to the U.S. illegally as children, the plan would also extend the visas for Temporary Protection Status holders, though it’s unclear for how long.

Trump’s concessions, expected to be outlined in a speech at 4 p.m. on Saturday, are aimed at getting Democrats back to the negotiating table in a bid to end a partial government shutdown now into its fifth week.

[RonZeplin]

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-promises-announcement-border-talks-090000368.html

(Bloomberg) -- President Donald Trump “major announcement” on Saturday will include a proposal to extend protections for so-called Dreamers for three years, in exchange for $5.7 billion in funds for border security, said a person familiar with the proposal.

As well as protections for Dreamers, young people brought to the U.S. illegally as children, the plan would also extend the visas for Temporary Protection Status holders, though it’s unclear for how long.

Trump’s concessions, expected to be outlined in a speech at 4 p.m. on Saturday, are aimed at getting Democrats back to the negotiating table in a bid to end a partial government shutdown now into its fifth week.

BINGO!, Amnesty just as I predicted.

[Occam's Banana]

All Presidents declare a national emergency of some sort every 3-6 months. The country has been under a constant state of emergency since at least 1933.

"Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary." -- H. L. Mencken

[devil21]

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-promises-announcement-border-talks-090000368.html

(Bloomberg) -- President Donald Trump “major announcement” on Saturday will include a proposal to extend protections for so-called Dreamers for three years, in exchange for $5.7 billion in funds for border security, said a person familiar with the proposal.

As well as protections for Dreamers, young people brought to the U.S. illegally as children, the plan would also extend the visas for Temporary Protection Status holders, though it’s unclear for how long.

Trump’s concessions, expected to be outlined in a speech at 4 p.m. on Saturday, are aimed at getting Democrats back to the negotiating table in a bid to end a partial government shutdown now into its fifth week.

Dreamers and Refugees. And H1B holders coming soon, too.

Must be more of that 40D chess.

[Occam's Banana]

@real (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=68777)DonaldTrump Prez, push agenda that FREE MARKET BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES can fill void left by Gov shutdown. FREE MARKET WORKS, push agenda that we can do this! AMERICA FIRST!

But in order to work, the free market requires a culture of liberty - which we are sadly lacking.

Instead of businesses exploiting the opportunities allegedly afforded by the so-called "government shutdown", we have businesses sticking their thumbs up their butts and complaining about how they can't get permission slips from the proper authorities (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?530164-Government-shutdown-impacting-breweries) ...

[kahless]

BINGO!, Amnesty just as I predicted.

Same here. Last night called it in the other thread.


I am afraid Trump is going to virtue signal big time tomorrow when calling for an emergency to build the wall. Something like him giving away DACA, pathway to citizenship and more high tech H-1B visas. The shills on the right will call it a win and praise how he outmaneuvered the left despite the reality of betraying his base with policies that will increase immigration.

The average Joe on the right won't notice since the news media on the right will simply call it a win against the left and they will lap it up.

I so hope I am wrong.

[Warlord]

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1086701998479736832

[Zippyjuan]

Trump had a very publicized meeting in the White House with members of Congress and said he would sign a DACA bill (he actually said "yes" to all positions on DACA so there was confusion about exactly where he stood). Congress will be skeptical of any new offer for a deal on DACA.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/trump-immigration-white-house-meeting-congress-daca/550100/


Trump's Remarkable Immigration Meeting

The president let the cameras roll as he negotiated a DACA deal with Congress. True to form, he said yes to everyone but left lawmakers without the direction they sought.

There was nothing more President Trump could have done to more clearly illustrate the vexing politics of the immigration debate or the often maddening way he manages Congress than the remarkable public meeting he held with lawmakers at the White House on Tuesday.

The president convened a bipartisan group of more than two dozen members of the House and Senate in the Roosevelt Room to discuss a possible resolution for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program—the Obama-era protections for 700,000 young immigrants that Trump has said will end in March without congressional action.

Yet over nearly an hour, and with television cameras running, Trump took nearly every conceivable position in the debate: He backed a “clean” bill to extend DACA, protect the so-called “Dreamers,” and bolster border security, absent the more controversial immigration measures conservatives want; then, he said he’d “take the heat” for a more comprehensive immigration overhaul along the lines of what Trump had denounced as a candidate in 2016; later, he demanded that Congress fund the southern border wall as part of the initial DACA deal, reinserting the wrench that has held up the immigration talks for weeks.

Finally, Trump said he’d sign whatever immigration bill Congress could send him. “I’m not saying I want this or I want that. I will sign it,” he told the group.

By the time the president finally kicked reporters out of the meeting, he had said yes to everyone while clarifying virtually nothing. And what was undeniably a victory for government transparency had turned into another frustrating experience for Republicans, who repeatedly implored Trump to tell them exactly what he would accept in a DACA bill.

“I’m not going to support a bill unless you support it,” Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, an erstwhile-Trump-critic-turned-ally, bluntly told the president at one point. “You have created an opportunity, Mr. President, and you need to close the deal.”

In the four months since the president first suggested to Democrats that he would support a trade of permanent protections for Dreamers in exchange for enhanced border security, he has wavered on the details. At times, he’s backed the hardline demands of his senior adviser, Stephen Miller, and conservative hawks in Congress who want both a border wall and separate measures to tighten interior enforcement and limit legal immigration. Other times, Trump has suggested those debates could be saved for later.

Both sides of the president were on display on Tuesday. He talked at length about the need for a border wall and an end to “chain migration,” but he also called for “a bill of love” in rhetoric reminiscent of a vanquished Republican rival, Jeb Bush. While presidents have held meetings with lawmakers in public before—Barack Obama held a daylong health-care summit in 2010—they tend to be rather staid affairs replete with prepared statements and rote talking points. But Tuesday’s confab was different, because Trump did not tell the lawmakers he planned to keep the press in the room. As a result, they had few talking points to fall back on, forcing them into a more candid exchange with the famously freewheeling president. It felt, at times, like a real negotiation.

And in a display that came days after Trump felt it necessary to proclaim his fitness for office and call himself “a very stable genius,” he held forth in a way that demonstrated he has a basic understanding of the immigration issue but is not conversant on the details and jargon that lawmakers have been negotiating on and off for years. When Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein of California suggested that Congress first pass “a clean DACA bill now” and then pivot to a more comprehensive proposal, Trump eagerly agreed. “I would like that,” he replied. “I think a lot of people would like to see that.”


https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/23/politics/daca-rejected-deals-trump/index.html

January 9: Trump holds bipartisan meeting at the White House that cameras televise for nearly an hour. He indicates multiple times he is willing to compromise on DACA, despite some contradictions within the meetings, and says "when this group comes back -- hopefully with an agreement -- this group and others from the Senate, from the House, comes back with an agreement, I'm signing it." The so-called "four pillars" also come out of this meeting -- that a deal shall include DACA, family-based migration, the diversity lottery and border security.

January 9: Federal court puts hold on Trump's plan to end DACA, ordering renewals of permits to continue but no new applications.

January 11: After months of meetings, Democrat Dick Durbin and Republican Lindsey Graham go to the White House to propose to Trump a compromise worked out by their group of six bipartisan senators. The offer includes a path to citizenship for eligible young immigrants, the first year of Trump's border wall funding, ending the diversity visa lottery and reallocating those visas, and restricting the ability of former DACA recipients to sponsor family.
Trump and the White House invite hardline Republicans to the meeting and he rejects the deal, making his now-infamous "shithole countries" comment in the process.

January 19: House before a government funding deadline, Schumer and Trump meet for lunch at the White House. Schumer offered Trump the upwards of $20 billion he wanted for his border wall in exchange for a pathway to citizenship for the eligible immigrant population. The deal is rejected, and government shuts down at midnight.

January 22: Government reopens after Republicans Graham and Jeff Flake secure a public commitment from Senate Majority leader Mitch McConnell to hold a future immigration floor vote. Bipartisan negotiations resume.

January 25: White House releases its proposal for a DACA deal under the four pillars, which includes a generous path to citizenship for eligible immigrants, but also a number of impossible-to-swallow provisions for Democrats and some Republicans under the auspices of family-based migration and border security.

February 14: A bipartisan group of senators unveils a compromise plan, which includes $25 billion for the border, a pathway to citizenship for the immigrants, cuts to one slim category of family-based migration and prevents the parents who brought their children to the US illegally from ever being sponsored for citizenship by those children.

February 15: White House goes all out to stop the bipartisan compromise deal, which fails to get the necessary 60 votes in the Senate, with 54 votes.

February 26: Supreme Court declines to take up an immediate appeal of court decisions resuming DACA renewals, ensuring no deportations of DACA recipients for months and taking pressure of Congress.

March 14: With roughly a week to go before the major government spending package known as the omnibus must pass, White House suddenly signals a desire for a DACA-border deal. Publicly, the White House says they oppose a temporary fix.

March 22: Congress passes an omnibus without DACA, virtually ensuring it will not be addressed before midterms.

March 23: Trump signs the omnibus, rails on Democrats for, he says, not caring about DACA.

[Swordsmyth]

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-promises-announcement-border-talks-090000368.html

(Bloomberg) -- President Donald Trump “major announcement” on Saturday will include a proposal to extend protections for so-called Dreamers for three years, in exchange for $5.7 billion in funds for border security, said a person familiar with the proposal.

As well as protections for Dreamers, young people brought to the U.S. illegally as children, the plan would also extend the visas for Temporary Protection Status holders, though it’s unclear for how long.

Trump’s concessions, expected to be outlined in a speech at 4 p.m. on Saturday, are aimed at getting Democrats back to the negotiating table in a bid to end a partial government shutdown now into its fifth week.


BINGO!, Amnesty just as I predicted.


Same here. Last night called it in the other thread.
In the 1st place it is just a rumor and in the 2nd if you read the article it says the Demoncrats won't take the offer and Trump knows they won't take the offer.

If he even does make such an offer it is to expose that the Demoncrats won't make ANY deal that includes increased border security.

[devil21]

Yep, they just finished the first ever naturalization ceremony in the Oval Office and Trump's announcement is coming in 10 minutes. Dunno if it'll lead to anything concrete but it'll get Republicans to support, or at least not oppose, DACA/Refugees/H1B in exchange for the wall that'll never happen. Danglin' that carrot over and over...

https://i.imgflip.com/ytkn5.jpg

https://image.shutterstock.com/image-vector/hand-holds-carrot-on-stick-450w-303661943.jpg

[enhanced_deficit]

Speech detail has been leaked to press:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?530182-Kushner-reaches-out-to-Congress-on-shutdown-DACA-for-the-wall-deal-gains-steam&p=6737770&viewfull=1#post6737770

[AuH20]

The deal is dead. Thank god.

[AuH20]

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[Swordsmyth]

The deal is dead. Thank god.
It was stillborn, its only purpose was to show that the Demoncrats won't agree to any border security no matter what they are offered in return.

[AuH20]

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[oyarde]

The monies he wants to seize are from disaster relief funds which were earmarked for hurricane victims.

There should be no federal tax monies given to hurricanes.

[RonZeplin]

In the 1st place it is just a rumor and in the 2nd if you read the article it says the Demoncrats won't take the offer and Trump knows they won't take the offer.

If he even does make such an offer it is to expose that the Demoncrats won't make ANY deal that includes increased border security.

Amnesty decreases border security YUUGELY. There will be a massive assault on the border to get in on the amnesty, same as there was with the Reagan Amnesty, aka 1st Reconquista Republican Amnesty.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/68174382.jpg

GOP Amnesty v2.0

[AuH20]

This is actually all Trump's fault. He signed that 1.3 trillion bloated Omnibus bill last March and got nothing, while Republicans held both chambers. Good job, chess master. You could have gotten 50 billion for the wall, if you weren't so ignorant and gullible.

[Swordsmyth]

Amnesty decreases border security YUUGELY. There will be a massive assault on the border to get in on the amnesty, same as there was with the Reagan Amnesty, aka 1st Reconquista Republican Amnesty.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/68174382.jpg

GOP Amnesty v2.0
There won't be an amnesty.

[Anti Federalist]

Yup, three years of amnesty for DACA and TPS people

[Swordsmyth]

Yup, three years of amnesty for DACA and TPS people
That the Demoncrats have already rejected.

[Zippyjuan]

That the Demoncrats have already rejected.

One year ago, Trump rejected a bill which would have given him $25 billion for his wall in exchange for DACA protections. Now he is only asking for one fifth of that.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/02/trump-wants-congress-to-pass-daca-border-wall-bill.html


Trump has rejected some proposals to offer up to $25 billion in border security funding in exchange for legal protections and a path to citizenship for up to 1.8 million young immigrants. He harshly criticized a bipartisan Senate bill to do so, which came up short with 54 votes in February.

[Stratovarious]

If there is amnesty , this will be the last straw.

[Warlord]

1086734750578929664
https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1086734750578929664

[AuH20]

If there is amnesty , this will be the last straw.
I smell Jared and Ivanka. Bad news.

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46932845


US shutdown: George W Bush gives pizza to security team

Former president George W Bush has turned his hand to pizza delivery to help staff left unpaid by a government shutdown.

Posts on social media showed Mr Bush bringing the food to his Secret Service detail.

"It's time for leaders on both sides to put politics aside, come together, and end this shutdown," Mr Bush wrote on Instagram.

The shutdown has entered a fifth week and is the longest in US history.

About 800,000 US federal staff are at home or working without pay during the political deadlock over funding for Mr Trump's proposed border wall.

This includes about 6,000 Secret Service staff, around 85% of whom are reportedly still working through the shutdown.

[Swordsmyth]

One year ago, Trump rejected a bill which would have given him $25 billion for his wall in exchange for DACA protections. Now he is only asking for one fifth of that.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/02/trump-wants-congress-to-pass-daca-border-wall-bill.html
Because they would have taken the deal then, now that they won't he is safe to make the offer.
He can always quibble about some other detail in order to refuse if they try to call his bluff but they won't, they have painted themselves into a corner.

[enhanced_deficit]

Seems like it was just restatement of his old position.

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/AJwG8tF1A2tVJ4fJb4rhTbNbVuI=/0x0:633x331/fit-in/1200x630/cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9245523/Screen_Shot_2017_09_14_at_10.41.46_AM.png


Then how's that a bargaining chip for negotiation with Dems since they know he already agrees to it.

[Zippyjuan]

Because they would have taken the deal then, now that they won't he is safe to make the offer.
He can always quibble about some other detail in order to refuse if they try to call his bluff but they won't, they have painted themselves into a corner.


This isn't about the border- it is about power. The Democratic House vs the President. Neither wants to be seen as the weaker party. Trump was unable to get anything passed when his party controlled the House. His position is not improved.

[Swordsmyth]

This isn't about the border- it is about power. The Democratic House vs the President. Neither wants to be seen as the weaker party. Trump was unable to get anything passed when his party controlled the House. His position is not improved.
It's about both and Trump is winning.

[Swordsmyth]

Seems like it was just restatement of his old position.

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/AJwG8tF1A2tVJ4fJb4rhTbNbVuI=/0x0:633x331/fit-in/1200x630/cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9245523/Screen_Shot_2017_09_14_at_10.41.46_AM.png


Then how's that a bargaining chip for negotiation with Dems since they know he already agrees to it.
He gets to look "reasonable" while exposing that they are unreasonable and he doesn't even have to really give them anything.

[Pauls' Revere]

This isn't about the border- it is about power. The Democratic House vs the President. Neither wants to be seen as the weaker party. Trump was unable to get anything passed when his party controlled the House. His position is not improved.

Yep, both parties are the same.

[Swordsmyth]

The shutdown will continue.......................................... .:D

[enhanced_deficit]

I smell Jared and Ivanka. Bad news.

They have shown strong leadrship on such issues. Jared has even won awards (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528658-All-Trump-voters-are-racist&p=6714982&viewfull=1#post6714982).



He gets to look "reasonable" while exposing that they are unreasonable and he doesn't even have to really give them anything.

Do you believe MAGA's stance on this looks reasobane to GOP base/his supporters and they will stay with him if he acted on it?

[Swordsmyth]

Do you believe MAGA's stance on this looks reasonable to GOP base/his supporters and they will stay with him if he acted on it?
Many will not and so he will not.

[Zippyjuan]

It's about both and Trump is winning.

A three year extension is no concession when courts have already frozen the program and the Supreme Court isn't going to hear any appeals in this session meaning it will go on all by itself for at least one more year.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/01/18/supreme-court-inaction-suggests-daca-safe-for-another-year/23646749/


Supreme Court inaction suggests DACA safe for another year


WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Obama-era program that shields young immigrants from deportation and that President Donald Trump has sought to end seems likely to survive for at least another year.

That's because the Supreme Court took no action Friday on the Trump administration's request to decide by early summer whether Trump's bid to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program was legal. The program has been protected by several federal courts.

Based on the high court's usual practices, the earliest the justices would hear arguments in the case would be this fall, if they decide to hear the case at all. If arguments take place in October, a decision would not be likely before 2020, when it could affect the presidential campaign.

The administration "never asked for a stay of the rulings below which to us indicated it has known all along that there's no real rush to resolve these important issues," said Theodore Boutrous Jr., a lawyer in Los Angeles who represents some young immigrants who challenged the administration's plans.

Trump and Congress could take the issue out of the court's hands altogether if they strike a deal on the program known as DACA, perhaps even in negotiations to end the partial government shutdown.

The immigration case is among several high-profile issues the court has apparently decided not to add to its calendar for decision by late June. Other pending appeals involve Indiana abortion restrictions, whether the main federal employment discrimination law protects LGBT people and Trump's policy to limit military service by transgender people. The court also has yet to act on a separate administration request to let the transgender policy take effect, even before the case is decided.

On immigration, the administration sought to end DACA in 2017, but federal courts in California, New York and Washington, DC, have prevented it from doing so. A federal judge in Texas has declared the program is illegal, but refused to order it halted.

DACA has protected about 700,000 people who were brought to the U.S. illegally as children or came with families that overstayed visas.



The administration has twice tried to sidestep the appeals courts and win a swift ruling by the Supreme Court. The justices rejected a first attempt last year as premature. In taking no action so far on the second request, the high court is signaling that it considers the issue less urgent than the administration does.

[Swordsmyth]

A three year extension is no concession when courts have already frozen the program and the Supreme Court isn't going to hear any appeals in this session meaning it will go on all by itself for at least one more year.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/01/18/supreme-court-inaction-suggests-daca-safe-for-another-year/23646749/
And?

He offered them a bag of air that they have already said they won't accept but he gets to look "reasonable" and they look unreasonable.

He is winning.

SCOTUS may also decide to take the case after RBG is admitted to be dead and has been replaced.

[Zippyjuan]

1086698452476706816

[tommyrp12]

That's a big fat nope from Pelosi. https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/11919/

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46935595


Speaking from the White House, Mr Trump offered two compromises to break what he called the "logjam" over the shutdown.

The first concerns about 700,000 Dreamers, who entered the United States with their parents illegally.

The Dreamers are currently protected from deportation under a programme that allows them to work but not get citizenship. Mr Trump has been trying to rescind the programme.

Mr Trump said he would extend protection for Dreamers for another three years, allowing them access to work permits.

He also said he would extend for three years the visas for Temporary Protection Status holders. More than 300,000 people from countries affected by war or disasters are allowed to live and work in the US under TPS, another system Mr Trump has opposed.

[Swordsmyth]

That's a big fat nope from Pelosi. https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/11919/
As everyone knew beforehand.

[kahless]

1086734750578929664
https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1086734750578929664

I started typing exactly that then refreshed to see you and Ann beat me to it.

[dude58677]

The shutdown will continue.......................................... .:D

1776 and 2016!

[enhanced_deficit]

1086734750578929664
https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1086734750578929664


MAGA had unfollowed Ann on twitter after her following controversial tweet but had not attacked her even though language in her article crossed the line, will she be facing wrath of MAGA now after above tweet? Reportedly she has millions of conservative followers.


Coulter: Trump Will Not Finish Current Term, "joke presidency who scammed the American people" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529453-Coulter-Trump-Will-Not-Finish-Current-Term-quot-joke-presidency-who-scammed-the-American-people-quot&)

[Schifference]

Jeb on steroids? Regardless Jeb is better than HRC.

[Swordsmyth]

I started typing exactly that then refreshed to see you and Ann beat me to it.


Jeb on steroids? Regardless Jeb is better than HRC.


Jeb would have already given them everything in return for nothing, Trump has not given them anything, he has only offered them something he knew they would refuse.

[kahless]

Someone posted this as a reply to his tweet for the speech.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxTlgs4VAAAU9gi.jpg

LOL

[RonZeplin]

https://youtu.be/_FqmGcERGrg

[Swordsmyth]

Amnesty will not happen and the Demoncrats now own the shutdown and the eventual deportation of the DACA and TPS recipients.

[PursuePeace]

And?

He offered them a bag of air that they have already said they won't accept but he gets to look "reasonable" and they look unreasonable.

He is winning.

SCOTUS may also decide to take the case after RBG is admitted to be dead and has been replaced.


:up:

[ProBlue33]

Best offer the Dems are ever going to get, look how mad the right are over this offer, this is Trump making an offer that swings left AFTER he punked Nancy and her gang just days earlier, to make sure they would reject it. Now he declares an emergency saying he has no choice.

Nancy and her team got played by a master troller, she is out of her league, a level 1 noob.

Dems own this now, but Anne C. needs to shut up and let this play out, if he gives in...then have at it...until then she isn't helping anymore.

[spudea]

1086698452476706816


A three year extension is no concession when courts have already frozen the program and the Supreme Court isn't going to hear any appeals in this session meaning it will go on all by itself for at least one more year.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/01/18/supreme-court-inaction-suggests-daca-safe-for-another-year/23646749/

So you're saying its an even better deal for the democrats, 25B vs 5.7B. And an extension is a concession, so the SC doesn't hear the appeal this year? It will next year and overturn DACA. They should take the deal to guarantee it survives then bank on winning in 2020, that is if they truly cared about the dreamers, but they don't. Its a better deal for democrats but they've already said no. Democrats are total losers if they don't take this deal.

[TheCount]

http://movieboozer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/lucy-football.jpg

[Swordsmyth]

Best offer the Dems are ever going to get, look how mad the right are over this offer, this is Trump making an offer that swings left AFTER he punked Nancy and her gang just days earlier, to make sure they would reject it. Now he declares an emergency saying he has no choice.

Nancy and her team got played by a master troller, she is out of her league, a level 1 noob.

Dems own this now, but Anne C. needs to shut up and let this play out, if he gives in...then have at it...until then she isn't helping anymore.
I agree except that Coulter and everyone else should make it clear that this deal is unacceptable in case the Demoncrats were to try and call Trump's bluff, he needs the excuse to back out of the offer and the Republicans need to be motivated to make sure it never reaches his desk.

[Swordsmyth]

http://movieboozer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/lucy-football.jpg

:upsidedown:THE WORLD TURNED UPSIDE DOWN:upsidedown:

[Champ]

..Annnnnnnnnnd he botched it. Default disappointment, here we are!

He was in a strong position, then dangled this stinker out there as part of the negotiations, making him look yet again, unnecessarily weak.

This is the stuff we are used to at this point with him, 1 step forward, 3 steps back. He knows with 100% certainty how much this angers his base, yet he does so anyways. He actually has had moments to grow his base when withdrawing troops out of the middle east and committing to the shut down, but then pulls this and undoes most of that progress.

[Stratovarious]

Did he spill the beans yet, or still warming up.....?

[Swordsmyth]

..Annnnnnnnnnd he botched it. Default disappointment, here we are!

He was in a strong position, then dangled this stinker out there as part of the negotiations, making him look yet again, unnecessarily weak.

This is the stuff we are used to at this point with him, 1 step forward, 3 steps back. He knows with 100% certainty how much this angers his base, yet he does so anyways. He actually has had moments to grow his base when withdrawing troops out of the middle east and committing to the shut down, but then pulls this and undoes most of that progress.
There is plenty of time left for him to declare an emergency and build the wall but he is making the Demoncrats look insane and unreasonable right now, he needs to drive moderates away from the Demoncrats in addition to pleasing his base.

There will be no deal but now everyone knows whose fault that is.

[TheCount]

There is plenty of time left for him to declare an emergency and build the wall but he is making the Demoncrats look insane and unreasonable right now, he needs to drive moderates away from the Demoncrats in addition to pleasing his base.

There will be no deal but now everyone knows whose fault that is.

https://engagingplaces.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/goal-posts-moving.jpg

[Swordsmyth]

https://engagingplaces.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/goal-posts-moving.jpg
:rolleyes:

[Zippyjuan]

Another majorly hyped event which turned out to be insignificant.

[TER]

Trump playing chess while the dems are playing checkers.

This was a great move if the dems don’t bite and don’t take it.

And if they do, Trump will still get a win out of it, no matter what the fake stream media and their paid shills will say.

[r3volution 3.0]

Before Announcement: "He's going to break the deep state, defund the CIA, arrests imminent!"

After Announcement: "Amnesty's just part of 2019-D chess..."


https://engagingplaces.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/goal-posts-moving.jpg

LOL

[enhanced_deficit]

..Annnnnnnnnnd he botched it. Default disappointment, here we are!

He was in a strong position, then dangled this stinker out there as part of the negotiations, making him look yet again, unnecessarily weak.

This is the stuff we are used to at this point with him, 1 step forward, 3 steps back. He knows with 100% certainty how much this angers his base, yet he does so anyways. He actually has had moments to grow his base when withdrawing troops out of the middle east and committing to the shut down, but then pulls this and undoes most of that progress.

EM

While back when he first shocked his base and angered Brietbart, there were rumors that hardline stance on this issue was not ok'd by his top funder.

Incidentally, his top funder who reportedly is a democrat has been on receiving end of criticism from some hard Right conservatives for years.

Ann Coulter attacks Adelson on immigration and banning online gambling (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?449311-Ann-Coulter-attacks-Adelson-on-immigration-and-banning-online-gambling&)

[enhanced_deficit]

For those who watched speech, did this topic come up at all?

CONFIRMED: President Trump Can Start Laying Off Furloughed Workers After 30 Days (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?530395-CONFIRMED-President-Trump-Can-Start-Laying-Off-Furloughed-Workers-After-30-Days&)



EM

While back when he first shocked his base and angered Breitbart, there were rumors that hardline stance on this issue was not ok'd by his top funder.

Incidentally, his top funder who reportedly is a democrat has been on receiving end of criticism from some hard Right conservatives for years.

Ann Coulter attacks Adelson on immigration and banning online gambling (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?449311-Ann-Coulter-attacks-Adelson-on-immigration-and-banning-online-gambling&)




Hardcore Conservative Right at Breitbart is turning on MAGA again:

https://www.breitbart.com/

[kahless]

EM

While back when he first shocked his base and angered Brietbart, there were rumors that hardline stance on this issue was not ok'd by his top funder.

Incidentally, his top funder who reportedly is a democrat has been on receiving end of criticism from some hard Right conservatives for years.

Ann Coulter attacks Adelson on immigration and banning online gambling (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?449311-Ann-Coulter-attacks-Adelson-on-immigration-and-banning-online-gambling&)

It looks like Adelson's investment finally paid off. Trump probably figures he had to do it now to gain support for his 2020 campaign.

[TER]

Before Announcement: "He's going to break the deep state, defund the CIA, arrests imminent!"

He is breaking the deep state, fixing the CIA, and there have been plenty of arrests so far, particularly of sex traffickers and child molestors. Entire rings broken up and arrested, especially in the last two weeks alone. Sorry you keep forgetting that.


After Announcement: "Amnesty's just part of 2019-D chess..."

The offer of Amnesty for 3 years is definitely a chess move.

[RonZeplin]

He is breaking the deep state, fixing the CIA, and there have been plenty of arrests so far, particularly of sex traffickers and child molestors. Entire rings broken up and arrested, especially in the last two weeks alone. Sorry you keep forgetting that.



The offer of Amnesty for 3 years is definitely a chess move.

Yes, an Aztlán Chess move.

http://www.gioconauta.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSC_0030.jpg

[enhanced_deficit]

It looks like Adelson's investment finally paid off. Trump probably figures he had to do it now to gain support for his 2020 campaign.

If he ran in 2020, Adelson's support is almost certainly in the bag for MAGA. More than any other issue, #1 issue for MAGA's top funder is Israel and that has been MAGA's top priority also in actions (strategic ambiguity creating rhetoric aside). MAGA's democrat top funder, who never raised money for US Veterans but raised $60 Million for Israel military, switched his political horses from Dems to GOP because Dems had started to act wobbly on his #1 cause Israel. MAGA has been stellar in comparison.


GOP controlled US Senate’s First Bill, in Midst of Shutdown, to ensure $38B Aid to Israel and no boycotts (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529979-US-Senate’s-First-Bill-in-Midst-of-Shutdown-to-ensure-38B-Aid-to-Israel-and-no-boycotts&)

Hollywood stars and Trump's top donor Adelson raise record $60m for Israel army (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528301-Hollywood-stars-and-MAGA-s-top-donor-raise-record-60m-for-Israel-army&)

Trump Administration Cuts $25 Million In Medical Aid To Palestinians (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?526273-Trump-Administration-Cuts-25-Million-In-Medical-Aid-To-Palestinians&)

http://k6s3v6r4.ssl.hwcdn.net/pictures/803/803468.jpg



Israel plans a Trump station as Trump-naming frenzy sweeps country (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?530475-Trump-s-dismal-popularity-among-foreigners-may-be-costing-the-US-billions-in-exports&p=6737444&viewfull=1#post6737444)
Dec 27, 2017
https://media.pri.org/s3fs-public/styles/story_main/public/story/images/RTSW9LQ.jpg?itok=WnHWSeXi

Trump is a Friend of Zion (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?522256-Trump-is-a-Friend-of-Zion&)

[Zippyjuan]

$800 million for "humanitarian assistance".
$805 million for "drug detection equipment".
75 more "judge teams" to try to reduce the nearly 100,000 immigration cases pending (no cases can be heard during the shutdown so the total is rising).
2,700 more border/ law enforcement agents.

[Stratovarious]

If he ran in 2020, Adelson's support is almost certainly in the bag for MAGA. More than any other issue, #1 issue for MAGA's top funder is Israel and that has been MAGA's top priority also in actions (strategic ambiguity creating rhetoric aside). MAGA's democrat top funder, who never raised money for US Veterans but raised $60 Million for Israel military, switched his political horses from Dems to GOP because Dems had started to act wobbly on his #1 cause Israel. MAGA has been stellar in comparison.


GOP controlled US Senate’s First Bill, in Midst of Shutdown, to ensure $38B Aid to Israel and no boycotts (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529979-US-Senate’s-First-Bill-in-Midst-of-Shutdown-to-ensure-38B-Aid-to-Israel-and-no-boycotts&)

Hollywood stars and Trump's top donor Adelson raise record $60m for Israel army (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528301-Hollywood-stars-and-MAGA-s-top-donor-raise-record-60m-for-Israel-army&)

Trump Administration Cuts $25 Million In Medical Aid To Palestinians (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?526273-Trump-Administration-Cuts-25-Million-In-Medical-Aid-To-Palestinians&)

http://k6s3v6r4.ssl.hwcdn.net/pictures/803/803468.jpg



Israel plans a Trump station as Trump-naming frenzy sweeps country (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?530475-Trump-s-dismal-popularity-among-foreigners-may-be-costing-the-US-billions-in-exports&p=6737444&viewfull=1#post6737444)
Dec 27, 2017
https://media.pri.org/s3fs-public/styles/story_main/public/story/images/RTSW9LQ.jpg?itok=WnHWSeXi

Trump is a Friend of Zion (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?522256-Trump-is-a-Friend-of-Zion&)

Israel's war crimes continue to be completely ignored.

[specsaregood]

The offer of Amnesty for 3 years is definitely a chess move.

Its only meaningful if they actually think he would attempt to deport them. He should start rounding up all the "dreamers" Monday, and start deportation procedures. If not, they know he is full of shit.

[TER]

Its only meaningful if they actually think he would attempt to deport them. He should start rounding up all the "dreamers" Monday, and start deportation procedures. If not, they know he is full of shit.

The optics have nothing to do with whether he will start rounding them up on Monday to deport, it has to do with Trump offering a compromise and the Dems rejecting it. It now becomes the Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer shutdown, at least that is the intended effect I believe. If the public thinks this is a good and fair deal, then the dems look bad. It’s political theater.

[Schifference]

The optics have nothing to do with whether he will start rounding them up on Monday to deport, it has to do with Trump offering a compromise and the Dems rejecting it. It now becomes the Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer shutdown, at least that is the intended effect I believe. If the public thinks this is a good and fair deal, then the dems look bad. It’s political theater.

The problem is a huge portion of the public is delusional. A majority of the rest is psychotic.

[Swordsmyth]

Its only meaningful if they actually think he would attempt to deport them. He should start rounding up all the "dreamers" Monday, and start deportation procedures. If not, they know he is full of $#@!.
He must wait for SCOTUS to overrule the activist judges first or the Swampublicans will join the Demoncrats and impeach him.

[Swordsmyth]

Reaction to the plan was generally favorable, with some pro-American border security advocates taking a more negative approach. Mark Krikorian, Executive Director of the Center for Immigration Studies, expressed a nuanced approach towards the deal, stating he’d wait to read detailed language on the proposal before declaring support.

I hate to disappoint, but (assuming the details are what the president laid out) this is not a terrible deal. No expansion of amnesty for illegals who don't already have it in exch. for more imm. judges, more agents, more tech, more wall. But I'll wait to see the actual language.
— Mark Krikorian (@MarkSKrikorian) January 19, 2019 (https://twitter.com/MarkSKrikorian/status/1086741755125530624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)




More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/inside-president-trumps-wall-deal-to-end-the-shutdown/


And he knew they wouldn't accept it anyway.

[TheCount]

Reaction to the plan was generally favorable, with some pro-American border security advocates taking a more negative approach. Mark Krikorian, Executive Director of the Center for Immigration Studies, expressed a nuanced approach towards the deal, stating he’d wait to read detailed language on the proposal before declaring support.
I hate to disappoint, but (assuming the details are what the president laid out) this is not a terrible deal. No expansion of amnesty for illegals who don't already have it in exch. for more imm. judges, more agents, more tech, more wall. But I'll wait to see the actual language.
— Mark Krikorian (@MarkSKrikorian) January 19, 2019 (https://twitter.com/MarkSKrikorian/status/1086741755125530624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)




More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/inside-president-trumps-wall-deal-to-end-the-shutdown/


And he knew they wouldn't accept it anyway.

Charlie Brown: "I didn't want to kick the football anyway!"

http://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/charliebrown-998x708.jpg

[A Son of Liberty]

In the 1st place it is just a rumor and in the 2nd if you read the article it says the Demoncrats won't take the offer and Trump knows they won't take the offer.

If he even does make such an offer it is to expose that the Demoncrats won't make ANY deal that includes increased border security.

Ya know, I have to admit...

... it's awfully impressive how you manage to make so many posts with Trump's d**k in your mouth.

[enhanced_deficit]

Reportedly some GOP base/conservatives are angry going by MSM reporting.
Drudge headlines tone is starting to look similar to that of Breitbart / Coulter blog.




TRUMP DANGLES AMNESTY...

(https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/426198-trump-defends-immigration-proposal-against-amnesty-criticism-from)https://www.drudgereport.com/i/logo9.gif








In unrelated news:

Shut gov doesn't stop Trump from holding a beautiful diversity ceremony at White House (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?530538-Shut-gov-doesn-t-stop-Trump-from-holding-a-beautiful-diversity-ceremony-at-White-House&)

[nikcers]

This is more a of a Bugs Bunny then I ever hoped to imagine. Trump got the left to refuse their own bill of goods that they have been trying to push down our throats for all of these years just out of spite of having to refuse Trumps deal to look tough with their voters. I am starting to like this Trump derangement syndrome.

[Occam's Banana]

This is more a of a Bugs Bunny then I ever hoped to imagine. Trump got the left to refuse their own bill of goods that they have been trying to push down our throats for all of these years just out of spite of having to refuse Trumps deal to look tough with their voters. I am starting to like this Trump derangement syndrome.

Politicians not following through on what they said they wanted when they finally have a chance to get it? Ain't no new news here ...

Republicans routinely say they want fiscal constraint - except when they're actually in a position to exercise it. How is this really any different?

https://i.imgur.com/NS9iqs9.jpg

[Swordsmyth]

Charlie Brown: "I didn't want to kick the football anyway!"

http://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/charliebrown-998x708.jpg

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2F3ivvDRE GaQRVu%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1

[TheCount]

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2F3ivvDRE GaQRVu%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1
That's also a good representation of the same concept, yes.

[Swordsmyth]

That's also a good representation of the same concept, yes.
Trump has the laser.

[pcosmar]

I have seen this Circus Show before.
But with a different clown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986

[pcosmar]

Trump has the laser.

No,, just the Spotlight.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/RingmasterAtaydeFeria09.JPG

[RonZeplin]

I have seen this Circus Show before.
But with a different clown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986

The 1st Reconquista Republican Amnesty

http://www.davidduke.com/images/reagan-and-illegal-amnesty2.jpg

[Stratovarious]

So , If I have this right; The DACA chip thrown into the pot, this is a
very 'not thought through' play on Trump's part, this is a chip that can't
be taken back, a freebie that Trump can't withdraw, Nancy Peyote will
bleed him/us dry with further demands.

[Swordsmyth]

So , If I have this right; The DACA chip thrown into the pot, this is a
very 'not thought through' play on Trump's part, this is a chip that can't
be taken back, a freebie that Trump can't withdraw, Nancy Peyote will
bleed him/us dry with further demands.
I disagree, Trump can refuse any future deal.

He knew that they would refuse the deal and he could make them look bad without giving up anything.

There will be no deal and DACA and TPS will not get a three year reprieve let alone amnesty.

[Stratovarious]

I disagree, Trump can refuse any future deal.

He knew that they would refuse the deal and he could make them look bad without giving up anything.

There will be no deal and DACA and TPS will not get a three year reprieve let alone amnesty.
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I wasn't clear, when I say 'can't' I mean 'won't', how does he throw out amnesty to thousands of
children and hope to the parents, then pull that rug out, he knows what that will look like , sure
he can take it back , but he won't, and I sure hope I'm wrong, everyone knows that any kind of
amnesty encourages and promotes further border crashing.
Now, for Nancy to take the deal would mean that it was never about the money, never about
the 5 billion, and we all know that that is true anyway, anything to put a thorn in Trump's side
is all liberals care about, they are blind to anything else.As I've said, if Trump had announced in 2016 that he was taking down the border fencing/ walls, liberals
would have rioted in the streets.

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[Swordsmyth]

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I wasn't clear, when I say 'can't' I mean 'won't', how does he throw out amnesty to thousands of
children and hope to the parents, then pull that rug out, he knows what that will look like , sure
he can take it back , but he won't, and I sure hope I'm wrong, everyone knows that any kind of
amnesty encourages and promotes further border crashing.
Now, for Nancy to take the deal would mean that it was never about the money, never about
the 5 billion, and we all know that that is true anyway, anything to put a thorn in Trump's side
is all liberals care about, they are blind to anything else.As I've said, if Trump had announced in 2016 that he was taking down the border fencing/ walls, liberals
would have rioted in the streets.

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He just has to never offer it again, the wall is going to be built without a deal using an emergency declaration.

There won't be a deal, the Demoncrats have painted themselves into a corner, they can't agree to the wall and they can't agree to any of the fixes to our immigration laws that Trump's offer might be part of, when they lose the House in 2020 Trump will not need to compromise with them.

[Stratovarious]

He just has to never offer it again, the wall is going to be built without a deal using an emergency declaration.

There won't be a deal, the Demoncrats have painted themselves into a corner, they can't agree to the wall and they can't agree to any of the fixes to our immigration laws that Trump's offer might be part of, when they lose the House in 2020 Trump will not need to compromise with them.

I don't see the DACA offer ever disappearing, I see what you're saying, just don't see it happening
no matter how we get the wall built, he should have dropped this whole Nancy negotiating and
just had the Military budget cover the wall, good lord we all know that that is what our
Military should be spending money on instead of intervening all over the world.
I'll bet you 75 cents that DACA never goes away, I hope I lose.

[Swordsmyth]

I don't see the DACA offer ever disappearing, I see what you're saying, just don't see it happening
no matter how we get the wall built, he should have dropped this whole Nancy negotiating and
just had the Military budget cover the wall, good lord we all know that that is what our
Military should be spending money on instead of intervening all over the world.
I'll bet you 75 cents that DACA never goes away, I hope I lose.
He wants the shutdown to go on until further notice, in order to do that he can't declare the emergency and build the wall yet or he would have to sign the original budget bill, he also has to look like he is trying to end the shutdown by offering Nancy Pelosi a compromise while she refuses to give him $1 in return for anything.

DACA will go away when RBG is replaced and SCOTUS overrules the leftist judges and the emergency will be declared and the wall construction will begin sometime in 2020 when Trump thinks it will best affect the election.

[Stratovarious]

He wants the shutdown to go on until further notice, in order to do that he can't declare the emergency and build the wall yet or he would have to sign the original budget bill, he also has to look like he is trying to end the shutdown by offering Nancy Pelosi a compromise while she refuses to give him $1 in return for anything.

DACA will go away when RBG is replaced and SCOTUS overrules the leftist judges and the emergency will be declared and the wall construction will begin sometime in 2020 when Trump thinks it will best affect the election.
MMM will still put ALL the blame on Trump for the shut down.
I hope the Wall construction doesn't wait till 2020.

[timosman]

He wants the shutdown to go on until further notice, in order to do that he can't declare the emergency and build the wall yet or he would have to sign the original budget bill, he also has to look like he is trying to end the shutdown by offering Nancy Pelosi a compromise while she refuses to give him $1 in return for anything.

DACA will go away when RBG is replaced and SCOTUS overrules the leftist judges and the emergency will be declared and the wall construction will begin sometime in 2020 when Trump thinks it will best affect the election.

This cow needs to be milked for a while. :cool:

[Swordsmyth]

MMM will still put ALL the blame on Trump for the shut down.
But will independents believe them?
And how many government workers will quit?
How much donation money will the Demoncrats lose with so many government workers going without paychecks?
How many liberals will agree with Cher and blame Pelosi and Schumer?
Cher asks Nancy Pelosi to end government shutdown before Trump: 'LET HIM HAVE HIS FKNG MONEY' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?530130-Cher-asks-Nancy-Pelosi-to-end-government-shutdown-before-Trump-LET-HIM-HAVE-HIS-FKNG-MONEY)


I hope the Wall construction doesn't wait till 2020.
If the military is sent to the border instead I don't care, the shutdown is very good.

[Stratovarious]

But will independents believe them?
And how many government workers will quit?
How much donation money will the Demoncrats lose with so many government workers going without paychecks?
How many liberals will agree with Cher and blame Pelosi and Schumer?
Cher asks Nancy Pelosi to end government shutdown before Trump: 'LET HIM HAVE HIS FKNG MONEY' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?530130-Cher-asks-Nancy-Pelosi-to-end-government-shutdown-before-Trump-LET-HIM-HAVE-HIS-FKNG-MONEY)




If the military is sent to the border instead I don't care, the shutdown is very good.
I have to head out SS, I'd like to see 10 of our agencies gutted, or shut down completely,
temp down is good but really down is what we really need.
Manana my good friend.....

[Swordsmyth]

I have to head out SS, I'd like to see 10 of our agencies gutted, or shut down completely,
temp down is good but really down is what we really need.
Manana my good friend.....
Have a good one.:)

[euphemia]

Trump playing chess while the dems are playing checkers.

This was a great move if the dems don’t bite and don’t take it.

And if they do, Trump will still get a win out of it, no matter what the fake stream media and their paid shills will say.

This ^^^

Trump knows exactly what he’s doing.

Congress could have settled the whole DACA thing years ago, but they were cowards. Now it’s on the table and they are cowards again.

Trump doesn’t mind take responsibility for the shutdown.

[Swordsmyth]

I just realized that the temporary DACA deal was a trap Trump set, if Congress passes a 3 year extension then by law it will end in 3 years and the courts can't try to keep it frozen in limbo forever.

[pcosmar]

, the shutdown is very good.

What Phucking Shutdown?

the $hit continues,

[Swordsmyth]

What Phucking Shutdown?

the $hit continues,
800,000 government workers and an unknown (to me) number of government contractors aren't being paid, if it continues long enough many of them will quit and other departments will be affected.

It may not be perfect but what isn't good about that?

[pcosmar]

800,000 government workers and an unknown (to me) number of government contractors aren't being paid, if it continues long enough many of them will quit and other departments will be affected.

It may not be perfect but what isn't good about that?

Heard that $hit before and nothing changes.

I have absolutely no reason to believe it will be in any way significantly different this time.
I have no reason to believe it is really true,, and even if so, it is half stepping.

I think they will play out the theatrics for a while.

[enhanced_deficit]

I just realized that the temporary DACA deal was a trap Trump set..




And he knew they wouldn't accept it anyway.

So it was trap that he knew won't trap anything, in other words it was a fake-trap then?

[Swordsmyth]

So it was trap that he knew won't trap anything, in other words it was a fake-trap then?
It was an obvious trap meant to ensure that they would reject the deal and look unreasonable.