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Swordsmyth
01-14-2019, 10:43 PM
The U.S. military will extend a mission to support security along the U.S. border with Mexico through Sept. 30, the Pentagon said on Monday.Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan approved the extension in response to a request from the Homeland Security Department, the Pentagon said in a statement. There are about 2,350 troops assigned to the border mission.
The deployment had previously been authorized through Jan. 31 by former Defense Secretary Jim Mattis.


The Pentagon said it was "transitioning its support at the southwestern border from hardening ports of entry to mobile surveillance and detection, as well as concertina wire emplacement between ports of entry."
It said it would continue to provide aviation support.

More at: https://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-says-extending-mission-mexico-border-september-013603196.html


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1084650944846012417

1084650944846012417

"MILITARIZED":D

"PATRICK BUCHANAN":D


Memo to Trump: Declare an Emergency

Written by Patrick J. Buchanan (https://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/opinion/itemlist/user/15477-patrickjbuchanan)

In the long run, history will validate Donald Trump's stand on a border wall to defend the sovereignty and security of the United States.
Why? Because mass migration from the global South, not climate change, is the real existential crisis of the West.
The American people know this, and even the elites sense it.
Think not? Well, check out the leading liberal newspapers Thursday.
The Washington Post and The New York Times each had two front-page stories about the president's battle with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer on funding the border wall.

Inside the first section, the Post had more stories, including one describing walls in history from China's Great Wall to the Berlin Wall to the Israeli West Bank wall to the wall separating Hungary from Serbia.
Inside the Times was a story on a new anti-immigration party, Vox, surging in Andalusia in Spain, and a story about African migrants being welcomed in Malta after being denied entry into Europe.
Another Times story related how the new president of Brazil, Jair Bolsonaro, has pulled out of a U.N. pact on migration, declaring, "Brazil has a sovereign right to decide whether or not it accepts immigrants."
Half the columns on the op-ed pages of the papers dealt with Trump, immigration and the wall. And there was nothing significant in either on the Democrats' hot new issue, a Green New Deal.
Consider. In 1992, this writer's presidential campaign had to fight to have inserted in the GOP platform a call for "structures" on the border.
Now, the whole Western world is worried about its borders as issues of immigration and identity convulse almost every country.
Looking ahead, does anyone think Americans in 2030 are going to be more concerned about the border between North Korea and South Korea, or Turkey and Syria, or Kuwait and Iraq, or Russia and Ukraine, than about the 2,000-mile border between the U.S. and Mexico?
Does anyone think Pelosi's position that a wall is immoral will not be regarded as absurd?
America's southern border is eventually going to be militarized and defended or the United States, as we have known it, is going to cease to exist. And Americans will not go gentle into that good night.
Whatever one may think of the face-off Tuesday with "Chuck and Nancy," Trump's portrait of an unsustainable border crisis is dead on: "In the last two years, ICE officers made 266,000 arrests of aliens with criminal records, including those charged or convicted of 100,000 assaults, 30,000 sex crimes and 4,000 violent killings."
The Democrats' routine retort, that native-born Americans have a higher crime rate, will not suffice as new atrocities, like those Trump related, are reported and repeated before November 2020.
What should Trump do now? Act. He cannot lose this battle with Pelosi without demoralizing his people and imperiling his presidency.
Since FDR, we have had presidential government. And when U.S. presidents have been decisive activists, history has rewarded their actions.
Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. On taking office, FDR declared a bank holiday. When Britain was barely hanging on in World War II, he swapped 50 destroyers for British bases. He ordered U.S. ships to chase down German submarines and lied about it. Truman fired General MacArthur.
Reagan fired the striking air controllers and ordered the military to occupy Grenada to stop Marxist thugs who had taken over in a coup from taking 500 U.S. medical students hostage.
Critics raged: Reagan had no right to invade. But the American people rewarded Reagan with a 49-state landslide.
Trump should declare a national emergency, shift funds out of the Pentagon, build his wall, open the government and charge Democrats with finding excuses not to secure our border because they have a demographic and ideological interest in changing the face of the nation.
For the larger the share of the U.S. population that requires welfare, the greater the need for more social workers, and the more voters there will be to vote to further grow the liberal welfare state.
The more multiracial, multiethnic, multicultural, multilingual America becomes — the less it looks like Ronald Reagan's America — the more dependably Democratic it will become.
The Democratic Party is hostile to white men, because the smaller the share of the U.S. population that white men become, the sooner that Democrats inherit the national estate.
The only way to greater "diversity," the golden calf of the Democratic Party, is to increase the number of women, African-Americans, Asians and Hispanics, and thereby reduce the number of white men.
The decisive issues on which Trump was elected were not the old Republican litany of tax cuts, conservative judges and increased defense spending.
They were securing the borders, extricating America from foolish wars, eliminating trade deficits with NAFTA nations, the EU and China, making allies pay their fair share of the common defense, resurrecting our manufacturing base, and getting along with Russia.
"America First!" is still a winning hand.


https://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/opinion/item/31169-memo-to-trump-declare-an-emergency

Warlord
01-14-2019, 10:50 PM
Shoutouts for Rand Paul and now Buchanan. I like the way Trump is moving however lets not forget he tends to surround himself with neocons!

Zippyjuan
01-15-2019, 12:02 AM
Gonna put up some more tents for the migrants? Run a couple more miles of barbed wire? File some more paperwork? (they aren't allowed to capture or detain anybody)

Between the troops already sent and the National Guard's brief deployment, about half a $billion has already been spent.

Swordsmyth
01-15-2019, 12:04 AM
Gonna put up some more tents for the migrants? Run a couple more miles of barbed wire? File some more paperwork? (they aren't allowed to capture or detain anybody)
That is a myth.

Zippyjuan
01-15-2019, 12:18 AM
That is a myth.

Or not.

https://www.axios.com/what-the-military-can-and-cannot-do-at-the-border-5a7d2744-5dfa-498c-b9f7-5b0c73bf7ea7.html


Military rules of self-defense

An internal Pentagon memo obtained by the Washington Post says that troops are authorized to use deadly force in defense of "all persons, foreign or domestic, who are faced with imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm, and where lesser means have failed or cannot be reasonably employed."

According to the rules of engagement (ROE), responses from the military must be "proportional to the provocation," and that force "must be reasonable in nature, duration, and scope to the perceived or demonstrated threat."

And the rule of the use of force (RUF) authorizes military personnel to "exercise individual self-defense in response to a hostile act or demonstrated hostile intent."

Troop activities are limited by law

The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 restricts the U.S. military from acting as law enforcement on U.S. soil.

This means troops will not be authorized to "detain immigrants, seize drugs from smugglers or have any direct involvement in stopping" the migrant caravan, the Military Times reports. Instead, troops will "largely mirror that of the existing National Guard" already at the border.

Customs and Border Patrol

CBP, however, appears to have slightly more leeway in what constitutes the application of deadly force. CBP did not initially respond to request for comment.

In the 2014 Guidelines and Procedures Handbook, it says CBP officers and agents "may use deadly force only when necessary...when the officer/agent has a reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger or serious physical injury or death."

They define "serious physical injury" as something which "creates a substantial risk of death or which causes serious disfigurement, serious impairment of health...or involved serious concussive impact to the head."

From the Military Times: https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/10/31/federal-law-limits-what-us-troops-deployed-at-the-border-can-do/


PHOENIX — The more than 5,200 active-duty troops being sent by President Donald Trump to the U.S.-Mexico border will be limited in what they can do under a federal law that restricts the military from engaging in law enforcement on American soil.

That means the troops will not be allowed to detain immigrants, seize drugs from smugglers or have any direct involvement in stopping a migrant caravan that is still about 1,000 miles from the nearest border crossing.

Instead, their role will largely mirror that of the existing National Guard troops — about 2,000 in all — deployed to the border over the past six months, including providing helicopter support for border missions, installing concrete barriers and repairing and maintaining vehicles. The new troops will include military police, combat engineers and helicopter companies equipped with advanced technology to help detect people at night.


Migrants arriving at the border will now see a sizable U.S. military presence — more than double the 2,000 who are in Syria fighting the Islamic State group — even though their mission will be largely a support role.

That's because the military is bound by the Posse Comitatus Act, a 19th- century federal law that restricts participation in law enforcement activities. Unless Congress specifically authorizes it, military personnel can't have direct contact with civilians, including immigrants, said Scott R. Anderson of The Brookings Institution.


These include 1,500 flight hours logged by about 600 National Guard troops in Arizona since they were deployed this spring. Members of the guard have also repaired more than 1,000 Border Patrol vehicles and completed 1,000 hours of supply and inventory, according to Customs and Border Protection.

In one case, a group of Border Patrol agents tracking drug smugglers in the remote Arizona desert in August called on a National Guard helicopter to keep an eye on the suspects and guide agents on the ground until they had them in custody. That operation resulted in several arrests and the seizure of 465 pounds of marijuana.

Swordsmyth
01-15-2019, 12:20 AM
Or not.

https://www.axios.com/what-the-military-can-and-cannot-do-at-the-border-5a7d2744-5dfa-498c-b9f7-5b0c73bf7ea7.html



From the Military Times: https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/10/31/federal-law-limits-what-us-troops-deployed-at-the-border-can-do/
Thank you for providing examples of the myth, the controlling the border isn't domestic law enforcement and Trump could just tell them to operate on the Mexican side if he wanted to.

Zippyjuan
01-15-2019, 12:21 AM
Looks like building more detention centers was nixed. Need to just release people since there are no places to lock them up and no courts which can hear asylum or deportation cases while the government is shut down.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/805844/trump-said-military-building-migrant-detention-facilities-along-border-not


Trump said the military was building migrant detention facilities along the border. It's not.

President Trump said last week the army was building "massive tent cities" to house more migrants detained along the border. The Pentagon said he was wrong.

The Trump administration pushed the U.S. military to build facilities to accommodate migrants detained under Trump's new "catch but don't release" policy, federal officials tell Reuters. But the Pentagon reportedly refused, and last week, an official told reporters no detention centers were slated for construction.

Last Thursday in a freewheeling speech, Trump said he'd soon require the detention of anyone caught illegally crossing the southern border. Even migrants seeking asylum would be detained while waiting for their asylum hearing, Trump added. Seeing as a massive "migrant caravan" was weeks from arriving in the U.S., Trump said he had ordered the military to build tent cities to house them all.

Despite the Trump administration's request, "the U.S. military declined a draft proposal ... last month to build housing for detained migrants," officials told Reuters. General Terrence O'Shaughnessy confirmed last week that the Pentagon was only working on requests to build facilities to support border patrol personnel and members of the military deployed to the border. And with 15,000 troops headed south to meet the much smaller — and shrinking — caravan, the Pentagon-sanctioned project will likely keep the military plenty busy. Kathryn Krawczyk

Zippyjuan
01-15-2019, 12:26 AM
https://www.vox.com/2018/12/27/18157515/immigrant-families-detention-border-children-deaths-ice

Dumping large amounts of refugees at bus stations- in the US- not Mexico after capturing them after saying they weren't going to do any "catch and release".


Trump administration to release hundreds of immigrant families from detention

Hundreds, or even thousands, of migrant families are set to be released from government detention along the US-Mexico border over the next several days. But while the mass release of families may cheer critics of the Trump administration’s treatment of immigrant families, the government’s new plan will probably lead to hundreds of families getting dropped off en masse at bus stations — literally out in the cold.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the agency that’s generally responsible for immigrant detention, has already started mass releases of hundreds of families a day.

But in a break with standard policy, US Border Patrol has developed a plan to release some families directly if they’ve been held for more than a few days — instead of holding all families for ICE to pick up.

Plans for Border Patrol to release families directly were confirmed to Vox by two officials with knowledge of the mass-release operation. The sources said that releases from both ICE and Border Patrol could start as soon as Thursday and are expected to last for a few days — with hundreds of families a day set to be released in the Rio Grande Valley and around El Paso.

A spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security, Katie Waldman, did not confirm any plan to release families directly from Border Patrol custody.

However, in a statement, Waldman partly blamed a 2015 ruling extending legal protections to children who arrived with parents in the US — including requiring Border Patrol to keep them in custody for no more than 72 hours — for causing the current “immigration crisis”, saying it “incentivizes illegal alien adults to put their children in the hands of smugglers and traffickers” and “rewards parents for bringing their children with them to the United States.”

Releasing families who’ve entered the US without papers from detention is the exact outcome the Trump administration has spent all of 2018 deriding as “catch and release,” and which it has rolled out a series of policy initiatives — “zero tolerance” prosecution and widespread family separation, regulatory efforts to keep families in detention until they’re deported, the “asylum ban” now blocked in the courts, a not-yet-implemented plan to force asylum seekers to wait in Mexico — to prevent.

But the system for apprehending and detaining children and families is in crisis — and the consequences have been deadly.

Two children have died in the past month in Border Patrol custody in New Mexico, the area of the border where the US government has been most overwhelmed by unprecedented numbers of families crossing into the country. Felipe Alonzo-Gomez, who died in a New Mexico hospital just after midnight on Christmas Day, had been in Border Patrol custody for six days — a violation of both agency policy and the Flores settlement that governs the treatment of children in immigration custody — and had been shuffled among four different facilities.

Amid growing scrutiny of Border Patrol detention conditions, the new release plan may seem welcome to Trump critics. But that raises the question of where all those newly released families will go; who will help them adjust to life in the United States; and how they will get to where they need to go while awaiting their immigration court hearings.

Normally, local nonprofits take care of families after release at the border. But it’s not at all clear that local nonprofits have the capacity to care for hundreds more families — the lead nonprofit in El Paso, Annunciation House, was stretched beyond capacity even before ICE started releasing hundreds of families in the area earlier this week. And in some sectors, the government doesn’t even have a relationship with a local nonprofit that it can notify before dropping off families.

That means families who have no knowledge of the US might be getting dumped en masse at bus stations in the middle of winter, many without winter clothing and all without guidance about what to do next.

More at link.

Between the courts being shut down and the backlog of hundreds of thousands of cases already waiting, they won't have to show up in any court for years. The shutdown is only making the situation worse.

Zippyjuan
01-15-2019, 12:31 AM
Thank you for providing examples of the myth, the controlling the border isn't domestic law enforcement and Trump could just tell them to operate on the Mexican side if he wanted to.

Is that why they sent mostly engineers and medical people instead of warriors?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/04/dhs-requests-more-help-troops-along-border-bolster-cbp-officers/2480569002/


WASHINGTON – The Department of Homeland Security requested more support from active-duty military troops Friday to bolster Customs and Border Protection officers along the southern border, according to two U.S. government officials.

The request is for more combat engineers to install concertina wire and for more aircraft and crews to transport CBP officers. Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan must review the request and determine how to provide the assistance.

But as Trump said in the tweet in my sig, the border is tight.

Swordsmyth
01-15-2019, 12:31 AM
https://www.vox.com/2018/12/27/18157515/immigrant-families-detention-border-children-deaths-ice

Dumping large amounts of refugees at bus stations- in the US- not Mexico after capturing them after saying they weren't going to do any "catch and release".



More at link.

Between the courts being shut down and the backlog of hundreds of thousands of cases already waiting, they won't have to show up in any court for years. The shutdown is only making the situation worse.
That is the fault of the stupid court rulings that will be overturned and it will all go away if he declares an emergency.

The shutdown/emergency is required to solve the basic problem of the wide open border any collateral damage is minimal in comparison to the damage tolerating the status quo would do.

Swordsmyth
01-15-2019, 12:32 AM
Is that why they sent mostly engineers and medical people instead of warriors?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/04/dhs-requests-more-help-troops-along-border-bolster-cbp-officers/2480569002/
Mattis made that decision, he is gone now and that can change.

Zippyjuan
01-15-2019, 12:34 AM
That is the fault of the stupid court rulings that will be overturned and it will all go away if he declares an emergency.

The shutdown/emergency is required to solve the basic problem of the wide open border any collateral damage is minimal in comparison to the damage tolerating the status quo would do.

It will be a great day for this country when we can resume holding people for as long as we want to without having to actually charge them with any crimes. Children included. Hopefully they will extend those liberties to all persons in the USA! More freedom!

Currently, the Border Patrol is only allowed to retain minors for 72 hours. If ICE can't deal with them by then, they release the whole family.

Swordsmyth
01-15-2019, 12:36 AM
It will be a great day for this country when we can resume holding people for as long as we want to without having to actually charge them with any crimes. Hopefully they will extend those liberties to all persons in the USA! More freedom!
It will be a great day for our country when we boot the invaders back across the border instead of housing and feeding them or releasing them into our territory.

Zippyjuan
01-15-2019, 12:40 AM
Mattis made that decision, he is gone now and that can change.

Actually that was the Department of Homeland Security making the request, not the Department of Defense.


WASHINGTON – The Department of Homeland Security requested more support from active-duty military troops Friday to bolster Customs and Border Protection officers along the southern border, according to two U.S. government officials.

The request is for more combat engineers to install concertina wire and for more aircraft and crews to transport CBP officers. Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan must review the request and determine how to provide the assistance. A decision is expected next week, said the officials who were not authorized to speak publicly.

DHS officials didn't immediately reply to a request for comment.

Swordsmyth
01-15-2019, 12:50 AM
Actually that was the Department of Homeland Security making the request, not the Department of Defense.
They made the request but Mattis told them what he would agree to.

Swordsmyth
01-15-2019, 12:52 AM
They made the request but Mattis told them what he would agree to.
Defense Secretary Jim Mattis sought to reassure skeptical lawmakers Thursday that National Guard troops deployed to the Mexico border would have a limited mission despite indications from President Trump that military personnel would remain there until he gets the $18 billion wall he wants built.

More at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/mattis-pledges-no-contact-with-the-migrants-for-troops-on-mexico-border/2018/04/12/900959e8-3e92-11e8-912d-16c9e9b37800_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c02e6330a3aa

enhanced_deficit
01-15-2019, 12:56 AM
DTS is ready to make a deal but Dems are no show:


I'm the one that's pushing DACA, Trump tells Judge Jeanine (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?521731-I-m-the-one-that-s-pushing-DACA-Trump-tells-Judge-Jeanine&)

Swordsmyth
01-15-2019, 12:57 AM
DTS is ready to make a deal but Dems are no show:



Trump is exposing that the Demoncrats won't make ANY deal that includes any kind of real border security.

What he would actually agree to is an entirely different question....

Zippyjuan
01-15-2019, 01:36 AM
Defense Secretary Jim Mattis sought to reassure skeptical lawmakers Thursday that National Guard troops deployed to the Mexico border would have a limited mission despite indications from President Trump that military personnel would remain there until he gets the $18 billion wall he wants built.

More at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/mattis-pledges-no-contact-with-the-migrants-for-troops-on-mexico-border/2018/04/12/900959e8-3e92-11e8-912d-16c9e9b37800_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c02e6330a3aa

Trump changed his mind (yet again). He no longer wants $20 billion for his wall. It is $18 billion. No, it is $5 billion. But he is unwilling to compromise! He won't back down an inch! (He has already given up 75% of his initial position).

It will cover the entire border! 2,000 miles of beautiful wall! Concrete! Three stories high! They won't be able to tunnel under it or go over it! Now it might be 500 miles and that includes hundreds of miles where there already exists a wall (upgrades). But don't worry. The border is tight. Anybody saying otherwise is Fake News! We are already building new wall! 200 miles in new contracts just signed! We have enough money!

You won't have to pay for the wall- Mexico will pay for it! NAFTA will pay for it! The USMCA will pay for it! People sending money to Mexico will pay for it! The shutdown money (whatever that is) will pay for it! Why aren't you paying for the wall?

It is so hard to keep up on things. All he really wants is a photo-op and to declare victory. He will take anything.

Swordsmyth
01-15-2019, 01:42 AM
Trump changed his mind (yet again). He no longer wants $20 billion for his wall. It is $18 billion. No, it is $5 billion. But he is unwilling to compromise! He won't back down an inch! (He has already given up 75% of his initial position).

It will cover the entire border! 2,000 miles of beautiful wall! Concrete! Three stories high! They won't be able to tunnel under it or go over it! Now it might be 500 miles and that includes hundreds of miles where there already exists a wall (upgrades). But don't worry. The border is tight. Anybody saying otherwise is Fake News! We are already building new wall! 200 miles in new contracts just signed! We have enough money!

You won't have to pay for the wall- Mexico will pay for it! NAFTA will pay for it! The USMCA will pay for it! People sending money to Mexico will pay for it! The shutdown money (whatever that is) will pay for it! Why aren't you paying for the wall?

It is so hard to keep up on things.
:sleeping:

We are winning and you are losing.

Cry me a river.

Zippyjuan
01-15-2019, 01:45 AM
:sleeping:

We are winning and you are losing.

Cry me a river.

Yes, Putin is very happy about all the chaos Trump causes. You are doing a fine job!

Swordsmyth
01-15-2019, 01:50 AM
Yes, Putin is very happy about all the chaos Trump causes. You are doing a fine job!
Take your Integrity Initiative talking points and stuff them up your nose, chaos is an improvement over the status quo and the changes are going in the right direction to Make America Great Again, your British masters will have to fend for themselves.

Zippyjuan
01-15-2019, 01:55 AM
Take your Integrity Initiative talking points and stuff them up your nose, chaos is an improvement over the status quo and the changes are going in the right direction to Make America Great Again, your British masters will have to fend for themselves.

Hmm. Hit something sensitive there.

I had to look that up.

https://www.integrityinitiative.net/about


Information is the basis of democracy. Without information, there can be no informed debate, and no informed decision-making.


We are a network of people and organizations from across Europe dedicated to revealing and combating propaganda and disinformation. Our broader aim is also to educate on how to spot disinformation and verify sources. This kind of work attracts the extremely hostile and aggressive attention of disinformation actors, like the Kremlin and its various proxies, so we hope you understand that our members mostly prefer to remain anonymous. The facts and information we present are all in the public domain, however, and you can investigate for yourselves.

Swordsmyth
01-15-2019, 02:00 AM
Hmm. Hit something sensitive there.
LOL

You harass this forum with British propaganda and Putinphobia fantasies and now you try to use the fact that you are an irritating little insect as "proof" that your ravings are true?

You are pathetic.

nikcers
01-15-2019, 02:02 AM
Yes, Putin is very happy about all the chaos Trump causes. You are doing a fine job!

The irony is you are promoting political talking points that perpetuate political polarization too, and also making the country look bad- but you are doing a bad job.

Swordsmyth
01-15-2019, 02:04 AM
I had to look that up.

https://www.integrityinitiative.net/about
Sure, how much do they pay you?
Major Psy-Op In Europe Exposed: UK Government Tramples On Values It Vowed To Protect (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528735-Major-Psy-Op-In-Europe-Exposed-UK-Government-Tramples-On-Values-It-Vowed-To-Protect)
Covert British Military-Smear Machine Moving Into US (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?530159-Covert-British-Military-Smear-Machine-Moving-Into-US)

Zippyjuan
01-15-2019, 02:05 AM
LOL

You harass this forum with British propaganda and Putinphobia fantasies and now you try to use the fact that you are an irritating little insect as "proof" that your ravings are true?

You are pathetic.

Gee, you got pretty defensive all of a sudden. I'm not even British.

Swordsmyth
01-15-2019, 02:08 AM
Gee, you got pretty defensive all of a sudden.
LOL

Swordsmyth
01-15-2019, 02:09 AM
Gee, you got pretty defensive all of a sudden.
We are winning and you are losing, you are no threat, you are just an irritant.

Zippyjuan
01-15-2019, 02:10 AM
We are winning and you are losing, you are no threat, you are just an irritant.

On a tiny dusty road in a lonely outcrop of the internet where one can hope to influence at least a dozen voters! How did you end up at this desolate outpost?

Swordsmyth
01-15-2019, 02:15 AM
On a tiny dusty road in a lonely outcrop of the internet where one can hope to influence at least a dozen voters! How did you end up at this desolate outpost?
We are winning all of America and you will lose the world.:D


I come to this forum because I belong here, why do you come here? (as if we didn't know)

Swordsmyth
01-15-2019, 02:25 AM
Trump changed his mind (yet again). He no longer wants $20 billion for his wall. It is $18 billion. No, it is $5 billion. But he is unwilling to compromise! He won't back down an inch! (He has already given up 75% of his initial position).

It will cover the entire border! 2,000 miles of beautiful wall! Concrete! Three stories high! They won't be able to tunnel under it or go over it! Now it might be 500 miles and that includes hundreds of miles where there already exists a wall (upgrades). But don't worry. The border is tight. Anybody saying otherwise is Fake News! We are already building new wall! 200 miles in new contracts just signed! We have enough money!

You won't have to pay for the wall- Mexico will pay for it! NAFTA will pay for it! The USMCA will pay for it! People sending money to Mexico will pay for it! The shutdown money (whatever that is) will pay for it! Why aren't you paying for the wall?

It is so hard to keep up on things. All he really wants is a photo-op and to declare victory. He will take anything.

Poor zippy, he just can't keep up.

The status quo is being demolished and he thinks it is an accident when it is really Drunken Monkey demolition.

Swordsmyth
01-15-2019, 02:27 AM
Yes, Putin is very happy about all the chaos Trump causes. You are doing a fine job!
"The Drunken Monkey can't be that smart, he must be following the orders of Darth Vader"
LOL

Zippyjuan
01-15-2019, 02:28 AM
We are winning all of America and you will lose the world.:D


I come to this forum because I belong here, why do you come here? (as if we didn't know)

For the free stuff of course!

Wooden Indian
01-15-2019, 02:47 AM
....I'm not even British.

I believe you're Contrarian... on your mother's side.

Swordsmyth
01-15-2019, 08:20 PM
The Pentagon will send a fresh deployment of active-duty troops to the southern border at the request of officials from the Department of Homeland Security.Late Monday, the Pentagon also announced that deployments of active-duty troops would extend through September.
The new contingent of troops will include combat engineers to fortify border crossings and aviation units to help ferry Border Patrol agents, according to a Defense Department official who was not authorized to speak publicly.
The troops will also help with surveillance at the border, according to the Pentagon statement.

More at: https://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-send-more-active-duty-223356011.html

euphemia
01-15-2019, 09:15 PM
Looks like Mexico will soon want a wall on their southern border. Mexican social media is on fire with resentful Mexicans in the northern border towns telling the caravans to stay home.

Pauls' Revere
01-15-2019, 10:26 PM
On a tiny dusty road in a lonely outcrop of the internet where one can hope to influence at least a dozen voters! How did you end up at this desolate outpost?

I was ideologically marginalized by mass media and talk radio.