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Anti-Neocon
01-07-2019, 03:15 AM
Did anyone have a chance to see him where he talked about eminent domain and how he'd use some sort of military/emergency workaround to seize people's land on the border to build his stupid wall in order to even circumvent one's right to take it to court? I would've hoped that people would've been outraged here, but as I see, the usual crickets.

I feel like it's R.I.P. Liberty 1776-2016

If a community like this can so quickly lose its ideals, how can a desire for liberty ever grow beyond?

Origanalist
01-07-2019, 03:22 AM
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

https://i.amz.mshcdn.com/0insKH7IuxbeXE04hZ6zhX9zKko=/950x534/filters:quality(90)/https%3A%2F%2Fblueprint-api-production.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fuploads%2Fcard%2Fima ge%2F814929%2F51fc759e-c227-4020-bf06-4c0f2198d671.jpg

TheTexan
01-07-2019, 03:40 AM
People living so close to the border are probably borderline Mexican anyway

kpitcher
01-07-2019, 03:49 AM
Did anyone have a chance to see him where he talked about eminent domain and how he'd use some sort of military/emergency workaround to seize people's land on the border to build his stupid wall in order to even circumvent one's right to take it to court? I would've hoped that people would've been outraged here, but as I see, the usual crickets.

I feel like it's R.I.P. Liberty 1776-2016

If a community like this can so quickly lose its ideals, how can a desire for liberty ever grow beyond?

There have been a few posts about eminent domain. Although as you've seen Trump has caused a schism in these forums so it won't cause as much of a concern as it should.

The usage of HBO's Game of Thrones imagery for a poster on the cabinet table was also rather unsettling. His team obviously doesn't watch the show, and we know Trump doesn't read, the 700 foot wall in the show didn't stop people from getting through. In fact people climbed it, went around it, and even destroyed it. But it's a show that includes a lot of incest and as Trump has said if Ivanka wasn't his daughter he'd date her...

TheCount
01-07-2019, 07:47 PM
Well yeah but you see we've got to have more government before we can have less government.

PAF
01-07-2019, 08:01 PM
Private Property Is the Essence of Liberty - 08/23/2013 Ron Paul

https://mises.org/library/private-property-essence-liberty


The Founders were firm believers in private property rights.

http://www.whatwouldthefoundersthink.com/liberty-and-private-property

PAF
01-07-2019, 08:18 PM
Did anyone have a chance to see him where he talked about eminent domain and how he'd use some sort of military/emergency workaround to seize people's land on the border to build his stupid wall in order to even circumvent one's right to take it to court? I would've hoped that people would've been outraged here, but as I see, the usual crickets.

I feel like it's R.I.P. Liberty 1776-2016

If a community like this can so quickly lose its ideals, how can a desire for liberty ever grow beyond?

I made a pic regarding this that I hope will be circulated (toward the bottom of the thread):

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?477303-Donald-Trump-On-The-Record&p=6730966#post6730966

r3volution 3.0
01-07-2019, 09:28 PM
Private Property Is the Essence of Liberty - 08/23/2013 Ron Paul

https://mises.org/library/private-property-essence-liberty


The Founders were firm believers in private property rights.

http://www.whatwouldthefoundersthink.com/liberty-and-private-property

No no, simple losertarian, it's just like building a fence around your own yard...

The people collectively own all the land in the country, so this isn't really theft...

...and we need it to keep out the communists, you see, because they'll try to collectivize all the land.

Swordsmyth
01-07-2019, 09:39 PM
No no, simple losertarian, it's just like building a fence around your own yard...

The people collectively own all the land in the country, so this isn't really theft...

...and we need it to keep out the communists, you see, because they'll try to collectivize all the land.
You can have collective territorial control of the border or you can have collective control of your home and every other square inch of land in the country, there are no other options until you convert the rest of the world to libertarianism, get back with me when the entire rest of the world is more libertarian than the US.

PAF
01-07-2019, 09:52 PM
You can have collective territorial control of the border or you can have collective control of your home and every other square inch of land in the country, there are no other options until you convert the rest of the world to libertarianism, get back with me when the entire rest of the world is more libertarian than the US.

Your way busts up 3 million residents and businesses that are near or on that border.

Your way takes that land from rightful owners and hands it to the Fed on a silver platter.

Other folks here or around the world do not need to be “libertarianized”, it is their own property, you or other “gofundme’s” have no right to decide for them.

Swordsmyth
01-07-2019, 09:55 PM
Your way busts up 3 million residents and businesses that are near or on that border.

Your way takes that land from rightful owners and hands it to the Fed on a silver platter.

Other folks here or around the world do not need to be “libertarianized”, it is their own property, you or other “gofundme’s” have no right to decide for them.
Did I say anything about the wall?

I keep telling everyone I don't support the wall but you don't seem to be able to remember that.

PAF
01-07-2019, 10:00 PM
Did I say anything about the wall?

I keep telling everyone I don't support the wall but you don't seem to be able to remember that.

SwordShill, stop playing childish word games. You have in no way, shape or form firmly stated or supported their right to property rights. You gleem with government intervention and solutions.

Swordsmyth
01-07-2019, 10:01 PM
SwordShill, stop playing childish word games. You have in no way, shape or form firmly stated or supported their right to property rights. You gleem with government intervention and solutions.

:sleeping:

PAF
01-07-2019, 10:04 PM
You can have collective territorial control of the border or you can have collective control of your home and every other square inch of land in the country, there are no other options until you convert the rest of the world to libertarianism, get back with me when the entire rest of the world is more libertarian than the US.

Quoted and noted.

Swordsmyth
01-07-2019, 10:07 PM
Quoted and noted.
Be my guest, we can have open borders when the entire rest of the world is more libertarian than we are.

Pauls' Revere
01-07-2019, 10:21 PM
Private Property Is the Essence of Liberty - 08/23/2013 Ron Paul

https://mises.org/library/private-property-essence-liberty


The Founders were firm believers in private property rights.

http://www.whatwouldthefoundersthink.com/liberty-and-private-property


and the bedrock of a free market.

Occam's Banana
01-08-2019, 03:07 AM
I feel like it's R.I.P. Liberty 1776 - 2016 1788

Fixed.

phill4paul
01-08-2019, 06:34 AM
Give the owners the choice. Either they can deter aliens that would pass through their property and enter onto others or they can ask the government to. Property rights do not include aiding and abetting criminals.

CaptUSA
01-08-2019, 07:21 AM
Be my guest, we can have open borders when the entire rest of the world is more libertarian than we are.

You don't need open borders. Nor do you need a wall. Nor do you need a massive government border patrol force violating liberties.

All you need is liberty and the problem goes away on its own. It's a government-created problem - government-created "solutions" will just make things worse. Stop the drug war, and stop the welfare state and immigration won't bother anyone. But no... liberty is too hard. So instead of freedom and peace, you need moar government to ensure your freedom and peace. Just a childish way of approaching things.

Stratovarious
01-08-2019, 07:30 AM
Did anyone have a chance to see him where he talked about eminent domain and how he'd use some sort of military/emergency workaround to seize people's land on the border to build his stupid wall in order to even circumvent one's right to take it to court? I would've hoped that people would've been outraged here, but as I see, the usual crickets.

I feel like it's R.I.P. Liberty 1776-2016

If a community like this can so quickly lose its ideals, how can a desire for liberty ever grow beyond?


Where was your outrage back when:

Obama, Border Fence;
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/527/transcript.html

Obama: 1.35 million acres UTAH;
https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/312436-confiscator-in-chief-obamas-last-minute-land-grab-an

Obama enough acreage to cover Texas x's 3;
https://www.wnd.com/2017/01/obama-seizes-enough-land-water-to-cover-texas-3-times/

Cleaner44
01-08-2019, 09:43 AM
Did anyone have a chance to see him where he talked about eminent domain and how he'd use some sort of military/emergency workaround to seize people's land on the border to build his stupid wall in order to even circumvent one's right to take it to court? I would've hoped that people would've been outraged here, but as I see, the usual crickets.

I feel like it's R.I.P. Liberty 1776-2016

If a community like this can so quickly lose its ideals, how can a desire for liberty ever grow beyond?

The desire for security is greater than the desire for liberty. That fact has been made very clear over the last 10 years. The difference is what each group sees as security.

CaptUSA
01-08-2019, 09:49 AM
Where was your outrage back when:

Obama, Border Fence;
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/527/transcript.html

Obama: 1.35 million acres UTAH;
https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/312436-confiscator-in-chief-obamas-last-minute-land-grab-an

Obama enough acreage to cover Texas x's 3;
https://www.wnd.com/2017/01/obama-seizes-enough-land-water-to-cover-texas-3-times/

I believe if you'd go back in time, you'd see his consistent outrage in those cases as well. In fact, the only thing that has really change is now you have the RIGHT silent, if not cheering on the outrage.

AuH20
01-08-2019, 09:58 AM
There have been a few posts about eminent domain. Although as you've seen Trump has caused a schism in these forums so it won't cause as much of a concern as it should.

The usage of HBO's Game of Thrones imagery for a poster on the cabinet table was also rather unsettling. His team obviously doesn't watch the show, and we know Trump doesn't read, the 700 foot wall in the show didn't stop people from getting through. In fact people climbed it, went around it, and even destroyed it. But it's a show that includes a lot of incest and as Trump has said if Ivanka wasn't his daughter he'd date her...

The wall separated Westeros from the wildings and the the white walkers relatively for 8000 years. Considering the mass human capital necessary to prevent such an incursion along such a vast distance, the Great Wall was a resounding success. Only the blue fire of the undead wyrm reduced it to nothing.

AuH20
01-08-2019, 10:07 AM
edit

oyarde
01-08-2019, 10:14 AM
Fixed.

That may be a little closer . Could be further back too. If you think about it , the colonists themselves may have just been deadbeats and freeloaders who did not want to pay taxes used to support british army that they benefited from .

CCTelander
01-08-2019, 10:19 AM
I believe if you'd go back in time, you'd see his consistent outrage in those cases as well. In fact, the only thing that has really change is now you have the RIGHT silent, if not cheering on the outrage.

And when the pendulum swings back in the other direction as it always does, the precedents the right is allowing to be set now (and in most cases are heartily cheering along) WILL be used against them to produce exactly the outcomes that they are, in their unwarranted fearfulness, attempting to prevent. They're quite literally setting the stage for their own demise.

angelatc
01-08-2019, 11:25 AM
Did anyone have a chance to see him where he talked about eminent domain and how he'd use some sort of military/emergency workaround to seize people's land on the border to build his stupid wall in order to even circumvent one's right to take it to court? I would've hoped that people would've been outraged here, but as I see, the usual crickets.

I feel like it's R.I.P. Liberty 1776-2016

If a community like this can so quickly lose its ideals, how can a desire for liberty ever grow beyond?

Yeah, you're right. I am probably guilty of that. But I am so tired of seeing the Democrats bulldoze their agenda through (remember, Obamacare didn't have enough votes because Kennedy died.) that I do admit to taking pleasure in seeing someone not afraid of them.

Origanalist
01-08-2019, 11:36 AM
And when the pendulum swings back in the other direction as it always does, the precedents the right is allowing to be set now (and in most cases are heartily cheering along) WILL be used against them to produce exactly the outcomes that they are, in their unwarranted fearfulness, attempting to prevent. They're quite literally setting the stage for their own demise.

Asking the government to act on your behalf is never a good idea.

CCTelander
01-08-2019, 11:39 AM
Asking the government to act on your behalf is never a good idea.


Never. It ALWAYS comes back to bite you.

Schifference
01-08-2019, 01:15 PM
Never. It ALWAYS comes back to bite you.

People with free medical, food, heating, housing, cell phones....... might disagree.

spudea
01-08-2019, 01:42 PM
The usage of HBO's Game of Thrones imagery for a poster on the cabinet table was also rather unsettling. His team obviously doesn't watch the show, and we know Trump doesn't read, the 700 foot wall in the show didn't stop people from getting through. In fact people climbed it, went around it, and even destroyed it. But it's a show that includes a lot of incest and as Trump has said if Ivanka wasn't his daughter he'd date her...

If that's true why even need a dragon to destroy it?? Seriously do you even have 2 braincells?

Swordsmyth
01-08-2019, 02:56 PM
You don't need open borders. Nor do you need a wall. Nor do you need a massive government border patrol force violating liberties.

All you need is liberty and the problem goes away on its own. It's a government-created problem - government-created "solutions" will just make things worse. Stop the drug war, and stop the welfare state and immigration won't bother anyone. But no... liberty is too hard. So instead of freedom and peace, you need moar government to ensure your freedom and peace. Just a childish way of approaching things.
It is a government created problem, unfortunately much of it is created by foreign governments that we can't control, if America was a perfect libertarian paradise millions of people would want to come here because we would be so much wealthier than their socialist hellholes but they wouldn't understand why and they would attempt to turn us into a socialist hellhole after they came here, we would still need to patrol our borders and limit immigration.

Swordsmyth
01-08-2019, 02:57 PM
The desire for security is greater than the desire for liberty. That fact has been made very clear over the last 10 years. The difference is what each group sees as security.
If you don't secure liberty you won't have it very long.

AuH20
01-08-2019, 03:14 PM
Just saw this on WRSA. Spot on for where we are going with this Replacement Project.


How much more time do you need to get ready?

This fight isn’t going anywhere. It’s coming whether we want it or not.

Play another election cycle or 3, any idea how many billions they’ll waste running for office and filling their pockets, even if they lose like Bernie? They’re rich, and you’re still hoping for change.

And every election they get more commies in office, because they’re better at cheating than your side is. With the amount of money you make, you should have 100 cases of ammo already.

So how much more time do you need?

I’d rather get this shit over with right now, rather than stall and wait another 8-10 yrs and be too old to defend myself. This country is going down the toilet faster than you realize. Won’t be enough fit men to fight in another decade. Meanwhile, we die a slow death from a thousand cuts as they slice away, and we keep hoping for more time.

And just like laying in the dirt in front of a MG bunker, sooner or later someone has to get up and attack the damn thing. It won’t quit firing on its own. There’s no air or naval gunfire to do it for you.

So how much more time do you need?

dannno
01-08-2019, 03:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrnfbN2_yG0

kpitcher
01-08-2019, 06:05 PM
If that's true why even need a dragon to destroy it?? Seriously do you even have 2 braincells?

Plenty enough brain cells, is this a contest? Do we show IQ scores or just see who can call people the most names on the forums?

So in the show it starts with a direwolf coming from the north, Night watch member Will came back through the wall and got near winterfell before getting caught, then Osha and the wildlings with her, Jon climbed the wall, wildlings go around it on the west and by taking boats in the east "Along the east coast the raiders most often built boats to slip across the Bay of Seals." . "The Wall can stop an army, but not a man alone" so a fancy border wall would stop any new caravans easily enough, but anyone determined would get through.

The real problem in GOT is there aren't enough Night's watch to patrol the wall so things get through. Similarly, the latest Trump budget request is to hire 200 more ICE agents. That's not going to cover much real estate.

As to dragons, that's to stop the magic in the wall against the white walkers. Obviously not a concern with Trump's wall.