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PAF
01-05-2019, 01:45 PM
Thanks to RonZeplin for pointing to this article.



In my last article, 'The Fed Is A Suicide Bomber With A Deeper Agenda', I explored and dismantled recent propaganda surrounding the Federal Reserve's tightening actions, including the propaganda that Jerome Powell is some kind of rogue central banker who is rebalancing the system for the good of the nation. To summarize the points made in that article:

The Fed deliberately created the "Everything Bubble" so that it could be deliberately imploded at the proper time - in other words, the crash we have been witnessing so far during the final quarter of 2018 and continuing into 2019 is a controlled demolition of the economy. Jerome Powell is not some "rebel" going against the easy money dictates of the Fed. Jerome Powell is playing the role that has been given to him. Ben Bernanke and Janet Yellen's job was to inflate the bubble. Jerome Powell's job is to crash the bubble.

This is a tactic used by the Fed and the globalists that run it for over 100 years - conjure a debt bubble, deflate the debt bubble, cause a crisis, siphon up hard assets for pennies on the dollar, use the panic to gain more power and centralization, introduce new control measures while everyone is distracted, rinse, repeat.

This process of controlled demolition needs a considerable distraction so that the central banks and the globalists ultimately avoid blame for the painful consequences of the event. Enter Donald Trump and the false Trump vs. Globalist paradigm. As I mentioned last week, the Fed is only one side of the equation for the crash; Trump is the other side.

Confidence games are highly varied affairs. They can be extremely simple and often obvious to everyone but the most inept and unobservant, or, they can be highly complex with many moving parts of deceit combined into a single elaborate con-machine. It is important to understand that confidence games are not just a means to steal money or valuables from unwitting people; they are also a vital part of economic manipulation, government dominance, and warfare in general. Almost all mainstream economic “authorities,” politicians, military tacticians and covert operatives are con men in one way or another.

With the exception of military tacticians acting in defense against an aggressor, con men are predominantly sociopaths. In order to carry out a “grift” against innocent people, an extreme lack of empathy is required. Understanding the mind and motivations of sociopaths and narcissistic sociopaths makes it possible to identify them faster and allows us to see their con games ahead of time.

In terms of social control, elitist con men are highly preoccupied with preventing spontaneous organization of rebellion. But this does not always involve the outright crushing of dissent. Instead, the elites prefer to use co-option and misdirection (con games) to lure rebellious movements to focus on the wrong enemy, or to trust the wrong leadership.

I am often reminded of the infiltration of the Tea Party movement by neo-conservatives in the years after the 2008 election. Neo-con-men exploited the desire among Tea Party activists for mainstream legitimacy and more widespread media coverage. They gave the activists what they wanted, by injecting their own political puppets into the movement. It did not take long for the Tea Party to abandon its initial roots in individual sovereignty and the Ron Paul campaign and adopt a decidedly statist tone. The smart people left the movement early and went on to launch their own efforts, but the goal of the establishment had been accomplished — the grass roots organized threat of the Tea Party was no more.

That said, the principles of conservative economics, small government and personal liberty remain entrenched in the American psyche and continue to grow. These ideals have a life of their own, and almost seem to act autonomously at times from any particular group or leader.

The single most important dynamo behind the rise of sovereignty activism has actually been the liberty media, or what some might call the “alternative media.” This group of people has been working tirelessly for years to inform the masses on the REAL news and data behind global events. Over time we have earned the trust of millions based on honest reporting and accurate predictions. It was only a matter of time before the establishment attempted to co-opt us as well…

The downfall of the Tea Party was a lack of cohesive leadership. There was no one there to put a stop to the neo-con infiltration. There was no one in a strong enough position to vet incoming influencers and prevent poison pills from entering the bloodstream of the movement. The problem with leadership, though, is that it denotes centralization and a bottlenecking of decisions and action. It’s quite a quandary for advocates of decentralization.

The most effective method for the establishment to sabotage a rebellion is to place one of their own puppets into a leadership position in that rebellion. This exploits the movement’s subconscious appetite for top down leadership. It neutralizes activists by tricking them into waiting for orders from on high instead of acting on their own individually. It makes a movement lazy and impotent.

The con game of false leadership goes beyond this, though. A charismatic puppet leader can trick activists into following a path completely opposite of their foundational ideals. He can turn the movement into something they would have originally despised (like turning a limited government pro-sovereignty movement into a big government pro-state cult). He can also take actions which are self-destructive, thereby making the movement appear insane or foolhardy by proxy.

I warned of this potential dynamic with Donald Trump long before the 2016 election. In fact, I predicted that Donald Trump would win the election based on the premise that the globalists were planning a grand con; to not only use Trump as a scapegoat for the crash of the “everything bubble” they had been inflating for the past 10 years, but to also use him as a pied piper to lure conservative movements into individual inaction, as well as being named as co-conspirators in the economic collapse that Trump was about to be involved in.

In my article ‘Clinton vs. Trump And The Co-Option Of The Liberty Movement,’ published in September 2016, I noted:

“To summarize, the elites need a patsy for the breakdown of the financial system they have engineered. That patsy will not be Trump per se, but conservatives in general. Whether Donald Trump is aware of this program or not, I do not know. I have no hard evidence indicating that Trump is anti-constitution; then again, I don’t have much evidence indicating he is pro-constitution. All I have at present to go by is his rhetoric, and rhetoric counts for nothing.

What I do know is that triggering a fiscal crisis under the watch of Trump and blaming conservatives is far more useful to the elites than triggering a crisis under Clinton and risk blame falling on international banking syndicates.”

The crash has now begun in the final quarter of 2018, with housing markets, auto markets and credit markets in steep decline, as well as stock markets trending into bear territory. In the same article I also stated:

“I believe Clinton is meant to lose. If this is the case and Trump is inaugurated in January of next year, the liberty movement needs to ask itself if Trump is truly an obstacle for the elites, or if he is an ally to the elites.

The Left is already salivating over the possibility that the Trump campaign will devour the liberty movement and turn it into something unrecognizable. Just take a gander at this editorial from Bloomberg called ‘The Tea Party Meets Its Maker,’ which announces the death of the “Tea Party” at the hands of Trump…”

After two years of witnessing Trump in action, it is clear to me that he is an active participant in the new world order agenda, and not just an unwitting patsy for the economic crisis.

Trump started out his presidential campaign with two very important issues. First, he argued for the need to “drain the swamp” in Washington D.C.; which included a sharp criticism of Hillary Clinton’s ties to banking elites and globalists. Second, he criticized the fraudulent state of the U.S. economy, pointing out that the stock market was in a massive bubble created by the Federal Reserve using near zero interest rates.

Trump’s first action upon entering the White House was to invite multiple “swamp creatures” into his cabinet, going against his core campaign promise. This was not all that surprising considering his past.

Trump was saved in the 1990s by Rothchild banking agent Wilber Ross, who bailed him out of his debts tied up in his failing Taj Mahal casino. Wilber Ross is now Trump’s commerce secretary. I ask, who is Trump going to be loyal to? The American people, who can offer him nothing of consequence, or the Rothschilds, who saved his public image and his billion-dollar empire?

Trump is also currently “advised” by the likes of Steven Mnuchin formerly of Goldman Sachs, Larry Kudlow formerly of the New York Fed, and John Bolton of the CFR, among others.

Trump has since flip-flopped on his economic position. Instead of warning about the huge financial bubble the Fed had created, he adopted a Twitter campaign TAKING CREDIT for the bubble for the past two years.

Some people will argue that Trump has placed blame on the Fed and exposed their operations, but this is theater based on selective observations. Trump continues to set himself up as the fulcrum or source of the current crash. Just this week his administration called the market decline a "little glitch" which would be solved once a trade deal with China was solidified. In other words, Trump is saying the trade war is the cause of the crash, not the Fed. Trump then at the same time blames the Fed.

Confusing? Not really, when you understand that Trump is part of a grand con game.

If Trump was truly interested in bringing down the globalists, then he would not be consistently providing them with such perfect cover for their crimes. I have been warning for the past year that the trade war is a perfect distraction for the public as the Fed unwinds QE and raises interest rates to kill the Everything Bubble. Trump continues to attach his administration to stock market performance while also blaming stock declines on his own trade conflicts with China. But what about Trump's supposed battle with the Fed? It's all wrestle-mania.

As the stock rally crumbled in the final quarter of 2018, the script that Trump would follow in response was also rather predictable.

In my article ‘In A Battle Between Trump And The Fed, Who Really Wins,’ published in February 2017, I reminded readers that the goal of the Fed is a controlled demolition of the U.S. economy and the dollar to open the door for the “global reset.” The reset is the event that the globalists hope will allow them to introduce a single global currency system and single world economy with the IMF and perhaps the BIS at the helm.

In my article ‘Trump vs. The Fed: America Sacrificed At The NWO Altar,’ I outlined the details of the con game. The globalists WANT to sacrifice the Fed and the dollar to make way for their new world order system, but they cannot do this in a vacuum. They need a distraction. Trump’s “battle with the fed” will likely escalate into a full-blown war. But Trump’s position against the Fed is not honorable.

According to the narrative, Trump is not going after the Fed because it has created the everything bubble and is now deliberately imploding it. Trump is going after the Fed because he wants the Fed to make the everything bubble even bigger by continuing to prop up a stock rally that Trump has attached to the success of his presidency. Trump will be painted as a spoiled baby in the mainstream, throwing a tantrum and attacking the “innocent” central bankers who were only trying to “normalize markets.”

In the meantime, the globalists can slowly kill the world reserve status of the dollar while avoiding the blame for the severe economic consequences this will produce. A conflict between the White House and the central bank will be presented as a sign that faith in U.S. debt and the longevity of the dollar is a bad bet. Foreign holders of dollars and T-bills, already quietly dumping these assets, will accelerate the decoupling. Trump’s trade war activities add to the distraction, creating a brilliant theater in which conservatives are conned into supporting a puppet leader on the verge of collapse, and confirming the crazed arguments against conservative principles in the minds of globalists and leftists.

The con game is to get liberty advocates to invest themselves fully in Trump, to the point that we end up owning every mistake he makes, and every disaster that is pinned on him. There is a concerted propaganda campaign targeting the liberty movement which is telling us that Trump is playing “4D Chess;” that Trump is planning a “coup” against the banking elites, that Trump is planning to bring down the Fed as a means to save the U.S., and even that Trump is working with Jerome Powell to crash the globalist system as a means to “restore the Republic.”

While Trump throws a bone to conservatives at times, including promises of a border wall, or a pull-out in Syria, there is no evidence to support the fantasy that Trump is some kind of ingenious tactician battling the the forces of evil using his wits while inside the system. But, there is considerable evidence as I have linked above supporting my position that Trump is controlled opposition working with the globalists to initiate a collapse that will be blamed on conservative ideals and limited government liberty activists. We shall see in due course. It is unfortunate though how many otherwise very intelligent people within the liberty movement have bought into Trump as a hero on a white horse.

The activists and alternative media are the real heroes. They are the people that pushed liberty philosophy into the mainstream. Trump merely rode the wave that they created. Even if he was a legitimate conservative and constitutionalist (which he is not), the movement doesn’t need his leadership. It never did. The globalists know this and hope to chain us to Trump as he sinks into historical oblivion, destroying us all in the process.


http://www.alt-market.com/articles/3620-trump-is-a-pied-piper-for-the-new-world-order-agenda

James_Madison_Lives
01-05-2019, 03:50 PM
wrong thread

dannno
01-05-2019, 04:14 PM
They have already met with Trump. This is the card Trump could play to scare the bejeezuz out of the Neocon Zionist Deep State. Be a wonder if Americans don't start demanding we bomb the f*&K out of Tel Aviv, on general principles.

It might be a sort of insurance for Trump because if they JFKed him it would be exceedingly obvious who did it and why.

There's also the 9/11 card..

Ya, we got cards.. and we're gonna need 'em..

devil21
01-05-2019, 04:19 PM
I don't know who Brandon Smith is but I'm convinced that either he reads my posts and then writes an article expanding on them or he's my long lost brother and I should meet him.

Brandon, if you're on RPF, send me a PM.

RonZeplin
01-05-2019, 04:23 PM
They have already met with Trump. This is the card Trump could play to scare the bejeezuz out of the Neocon Zionist Deep State. Be a wonder if Americans don't start demanding we bomb the f*&K out of Tel Aviv, on general principles.

It might be a sort of insurance for Trump because if they JFKed him it would be exceedingly obvious who did it and why.


Joe Meadors (https://usslibertyveteransblog.com/author/joemeadors/) / September 3, 2017



Fake News, congress has done nothing and ZioDon of Jerusalem is not pushing it. Down the memory hole.

Swordsmyth
01-05-2019, 05:31 PM
I don't know who Brandon Smith is but I'm convinced that either he reads my posts and then writes an article expanding on them or he's my long lost brother and I should meet him.

Brandon, if you're on RPF, send me a PM.
He does sound a lot like you and that isn't a compliment to either one of you.

The article is stupid, it is yet another manifestation of losertarianism, losertarians (as opposed to libertarians) are scared of winning unless the anarchy fairy appears and dissolves government overnight.

Even if the premise of the article is true (which I find unlikely) it leaves us with a problem, what are we supposed to do about it?
The only thing we can do is take what we can get and push for more.

Sitting around whining because we are getting some of what we want is just plain dumb.

enhanced_deficit
01-05-2019, 06:16 PM
Although MAGA's top donor is allegedly a widely respected America-Firster/Israel-Firster combo neoconservative (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?450257-The-Neoconservative-Reference-List&p=6729334&viewfull=1#post6729334), his latest strongly worded statements about Syria exit suggest MAGA is no lobger listening to neoconish/globalist minded family n firends/donors and is on a America-First path in a serious way. There are increasing chances that that Syria exit report was not fakenews and MAGA is retuning to his self-funded no-puppetry roots. Let's wait till fog clears all facts come out.




Related

What Has Trump Actually Done That is Globalist? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?527943-What-Has-Trump-Actually-Done-That-is-Globalist&)

devil21
01-05-2019, 07:05 PM
He does sound a lot like you and that isn't a compliment to either one of you.

The article is stupid, it is yet another manifestation of losertarianism, losertarians (as opposed to libertarians) are scared of winning unless the anarchy fairy appears and dissolves government overnight.

Even if the premise of the article is true (which I find unlikely) it leaves us with a problem, what are we supposed to do about it?
The only thing we can do is take what we can get and push for more.

Sitting around whining because we are getting some of what we want is just plain dumb.

Sitting around cheering the police state while they fence us in like we're Palestinians is even dumber. It's really strange that you think further police state encroachment is, in any way, "winning", especially for libertarians.

Luckily, his writings get around a hundred thousand views on ZH while yours only get a few on RPF.

Champ
01-05-2019, 07:08 PM
He does sound a lot like you and that isn't a compliment to either one of you.

The article is stupid, it is yet another manifestation of losertarianism, losertarians (as opposed to libertarians) are scared of winning unless the anarchy fairy appears and dissolves government overnight.

Even if the premise of the article is true (which I find unlikely) it leaves us with a problem, what are we supposed to do about it?
The only thing we can do is take what we can get and push for more.

Sitting around whining because we are getting some of what we want is just plain dumb.


There exists the possibility that the article is true and keeping an open mind entertaining this as a legitimate theory simply means we are still sane.

But I agree, if it is true, what does that leave us with, what are our options, where do we go from here?

Sitting around and critiquing everything, without ever having any solution or hope makes you akin to those curmudgeonly muppets at the theater, whining and grumbling about everything. So we heard the hypothesis. Ok. Great. Now what?

I have yet to hear what the response to this theory is, given that it is true, and given that we are potentially pinned between a rock and a hard place. How do we get out of said place and why are we so busy talking about just how screwed we are rather than talking about how we can not be screwed? Everyone that mentions this as their operating theory, whether on these boards or elsewhere, seems to never have any idea what to do based on this theory. Ok, Trump is evil, working for the elites, and he has it in for us, and we are fools. Ok. Got it, for the 10,000th time. Is there anything else to say beyond that or should we be focusing intently on the doom like everyone is that keeps parroting this theory. Is that the best course of action, doom harvesting?

It certainly is interesting and I want to learn more if more evidence comes in, but I don't want to follow the naysayers by adding my own pile of self pity and defeat. Let's get some actionable ideas going on how we should be dealing with this if this is indeed the case and what we, as liberty lovers, can do to help shape the future given the circumstances. Until then, it just sounds like it's fear and hopelessness preaching with no direction and no goals.

devil21
01-05-2019, 07:16 PM
I mean really, haven't people figured out yet that both presidential nominees are hand-picked as acceptable agenda-followers by TPTB? It amazes me that some people still seem to think that this stuff isn't planned and scripted, particularly after old-timers here witnessed how the media treated Ron Paul's campaigns.

The only real option is to stop participating in their big show. Your participation means consent to the outcome and consenting to be legally bound to their terms. It means rescinding your "citizenship", stop using their documents (DL, SS, birth certificates), stop using their currency, just stop. Otherwise, every move they make you are legally bound to follow, sometimes at the threat of violence by the state that enforces their legal framework. That's really the only non-violent solution.

It would have to be a mass movement to "opt out", however. But like Morpheus said, most people are hopelessly dependent on the Matrix and are not ready to be unplugged, meaning from their semi-comfortable slave status and then must rely on their own merits.

Swordsmyth
01-05-2019, 08:21 PM
There exists the possibility that the article is true and keeping an open mind entertaining this as a legitimate theory simply means we are still sane.

But I agree, if it is true, what does that leave us with, what are our options, where do we go from here?

Sitting around and critiquing everything, without ever having any solution or hope makes you akin to those curmudgeonly muppets at the theater, whining and grumbling about everything. So we heard the hypothesis. Ok. Great. Now what?

I have yet to hear what the response to this theory is, given that it is true, and given that we are potentially pinned between a rock and a hard place. How do we get out of said place and why are we so busy talking about just how screwed we are rather than talking about how we can not be screwed? Everyone that mentions this as their operating theory, whether on these boards or elsewhere, seems to never have any idea what to do based on this theory. Ok, Trump is evil, working for the elites, and he has it in for us, and we are fools. Ok. Got it, for the 10,000th time. Is there anything else to say beyond that or should we be focusing intently on the doom like everyone is that keeps parroting this theory. Is that the best course of action, doom harvesting?

It certainly is interesting and I want to learn more if more evidence comes in, but I don't want to follow the naysayers by adding my own pile of self pity and defeat. Let's get some actionable ideas going on how we should be dealing with this if this is indeed the case and what we, as liberty lovers, can do to help shape the future given the circumstances. Until then, it just sounds like it's fear and hopelessness preaching with no direction and no goals.
Every time you post I find myself agreeing 100%

Swordsmyth
01-05-2019, 08:23 PM
I mean really, haven't people figured out yet that both presidential nominees are hand-picked as acceptable agenda-followers by TPTB? It amazes me that some people still seem to think that this stuff isn't planned and scripted, particularly after old-timers here witnessed how the media treated Ron Paul's campaigns.

The only real option is to stop participating in their big show. Your participation means consent to the outcome and consenting to be legally bound to their terms. It means rescinding your "citizenship", stop using their documents (DL, SS, birth certificates), stop using their currency, just stop. Otherwise, every move they make you are legally bound to follow, sometimes at the threat of violence by the state that enforces their legal framework. That's really the only non-violent solution.

It would have to be a mass movement to "opt out", however. But like Morpheus said, most people are hopelessly dependent on the Matrix and are not ready to be unplugged, meaning from their semi-comfortable slave status and then must rely on their own merits.
Doing nothing is a recipe for losing, you may escape the eye of the dragon for a time but the gestapo will get around to you eventually and they won't care one bit about whether you have renounced their documents.

Ender
01-05-2019, 08:46 PM
I mean really, haven't people figured out yet that both presidential nominees are hand-picked as acceptable agenda-followers by TPTB? It amazes me that some people still seem to think that this stuff isn't planned and scripted, particularly after old-timers here witnessed how the media treated Ron Paul's campaigns.

The only real option is to stop participating in their big show. Your participation means consent to the outcome and consenting to be legally bound to their terms. It means rescinding your "citizenship", stop using their documents (DL, SS, birth certificates), stop using their currency, just stop. Otherwise, every move they make you are legally bound to follow, sometimes at the threat of violence by the state that enforces their legal framework. That's really the only non-violent solution.

It would have to be a mass movement to "opt out", however. But like Morpheus said, most people are hopelessly dependent on the Matrix and are not ready to be unplugged, meaning from their semi-comfortable slave status and then must rely on their own merits.

Amen, Bro- couldn't have said it better.

PAF
01-05-2019, 08:48 PM
Doing nothing is a recipe for losing, you may escape the eye of the dragon for a time but the gestapo will get around to you eventually and they won't care one bit about whether you have renounced their documents.

Concerning the forum, staying principled and open dialogue is not doing nothing. This site gets a lot of visitors. Hopefully if something rubs off it may inspire others and let them know that they are not alone. I sometimes link threads and also print topics for discussion at our meetings.

PAF
01-05-2019, 08:56 PM
I mean really, haven't people figured out yet that both presidential nominees are hand-picked as acceptable agenda-followers by TPTB? It amazes me that some people still seem to think that this stuff isn't planned and scripted, particularly after old-timers here witnessed how the media treated Ron Paul's campaigns.

The only real option is to stop participating in their big show. Your participation means consent to the outcome and consenting to be legally bound to their terms. It means rescinding your "citizenship", stop using their documents (DL, SS, birth certificates), stop using their currency, just stop. Otherwise, every move they make you are legally bound to follow, sometimes at the threat of violence by the state that enforces their legal framework. That's really the only non-violent solution.

It would have to be a mass movement to "opt out", however. But like Morpheus said, most people are hopelessly dependent on the Matrix and are not ready to be unplugged, meaning from their semi-comfortable slave status and then must rely on their own merits.

You must spread some rep...

devil21
01-05-2019, 09:46 PM
Doing nothing is a recipe for losing, you may escape the eye of the dragon for a time but the gestapo will get around to you eventually and they won't care one bit about whether you have renounced their documents.

Hence why I said a mass "opt out" movement has to catch on. The gestapo you refer to is tiny compared to millions of people choosing to no longer live in the legal Matrix reality that TPTB has carefully manufactured over the years. Lawfare, iow. They could never "get around to" everyone eventually. Like your post demonstrates, the only tool they truly have is instilling fear of unknown consequences, few of which are enforceable in large-scale numbers.

Swordsmyth
01-05-2019, 09:49 PM
Hence why I said a mass "opt out" movement has to catch on. The gestapo you refer to is tiny compared to millions of people choosing to no longer live in the legal Matrix reality that TPTB has carefully manufactured over the years. Lawfare, iow. They could never "get around to" everyone eventually. Like your post demonstrates, the only tool they truly have is instilling fear of unknown consequences, few of which are enforceable in large-scale numbers.
Let me know when the anarchy fairy strikes the sheeple with her magic wand and sets off your mass "opt out" movement.
Until then I will work to make what progress can be made without the anarchy fairy, Trump is our best chance in a very long time to make some progress.

devil21
01-05-2019, 10:00 PM
Let me know when the anarchy fairy strikes the sheeple with her magic wand and sets off your mass "opt out" movement.
Until then I will work to make what progress can be made without the anarchy fairy, Trump is our best chance in a very long time to make some progress.

You always ask my opinion on solutions then when I give them you always respond that they are unrealistic/unattainable and that proven banker-stooge Trump is the best solution we have. Maybe if you changed your focus, starting using your 12 hour posting shifts to post non-stop about my solutions, then maybe they wouldn't be so unrealistic after all. If more Trump is all everyone talks about then more Trump is all anyone will ever get. Pretty simple, really.

Swordsmyth
01-05-2019, 10:09 PM
You always ask my opinion on solutions then when I give them you always respond that they are unrealistic/unattainable and that proven banker-stooge Trump is the best solution we have. Maybe if you changed your focus, starting using your 12 hour posting shifts to post non-stop about my solutions, then maybe they wouldn't be so unrealistic after all. If more Trump is all everyone talks about then more Trump is all anyone will ever get. Pretty simple, really.
Human nature doesn't change, your solution flies in the face of human nature, it might be possible if we had a much smaller population and a much smaller government to go with it but thanks to the gross size of our population our government is more than large enough to crush any mass "opt out" unless things get so bad that the sheeple lash out blindly all at once like the Yellow Vests in France.

France has the advantages of having a much smaller population the the US and a more homogeneous culture and I don't want to let things here get sa bad a they are in France or worse.

The odds are that if we don't turn things around we will end up like Venezuela, France may end up that way if the Yellow Vests take a wrong turn.

UWDude
01-05-2019, 10:40 PM
Remember during the elections, when all the losers and haters were saying Trump didn't actually want to win, he was goign to throw the election, and that he was actually best friends with the Clintons, and this was all a ruse, and that he was just a pied piper, and that Hillary was going to win?

remember that?

I still remember.

Just because you guys forget everything, doesn't mean I do.

kahless
01-05-2019, 10:47 PM
Hence why I said a mass "opt out" movement has to catch on. The gestapo you refer to is tiny compared to millions of people choosing to no longer live in the legal Matrix reality that TPTB has carefully manufactured over the years. Lawfare, iow. They could never "get around to" everyone eventually. Like your post demonstrates, the only tool they truly have is instilling fear of unknown consequences, few of which are enforceable in large-scale numbers.

That is fantasy you do not have the numbers to change the narrative but they do on a mass scale. With tech the way it is now and government enforcement personnel, they will get around to the opt outers eventually.

The best one can do is thwart them as much as possible on a political level, muck up their gears to slow them down a bit.

Swordsmyth
01-05-2019, 10:49 PM
Remember during the elections, when all the losers and haters were saying Trump didn't actually want to win, he was goign to throw the election, and that he was actually best friends with the Clintons, and this was all a ruse, and that he was just a pied piper, and that Hillary was going to win?

remember that?

I still remember.

Just because you guys forget everything, doesn't mean I do.
Now devil is running around saying things like ending the Fed and the IRS will be bad and that Trump may do them but only for nefarious purposes.

If Trump declared anarchy our anarchists would embrace big government just to be able to say he is evil.

nikcers
01-05-2019, 11:00 PM
Now devil is running around saying things like ending the Fed and the IRS will be bad and that Trump may do them but only for nefarious purposes.

If Trump declared anarchy our anarchists would embrace big government just to be able to say he is evil.

I am not jumping in with the democrats just because they want impeachment because they can't beat him in an election without cheating. If they want to throw baby fits because they cheated last time and still lost that doesn't mean we shouldn't have elections anymore. If it wasn't for the stupid fake news Russia investigation there would probably be democrats in jail right now.

Swordsmyth
01-05-2019, 11:04 PM
I am not jumping in with the democrats just because they want impeachment because they can't beat him in an election without cheating. If they want to throw baby fits because they cheated last time and still lost that doesn't mean we shouldn't have elections anymore. If it wasn't for the stupid fake news Russia investigation there would probably be democrats in jail right now.
It's nice to hear that you got over your belief that Russiagate was true.

:up:

devil21
01-05-2019, 11:06 PM
Now devil is running around saying things like ending the Fed and the IRS will be bad and that Trump may do them but only for nefarious purposes.

If Trump declared anarchy our anarchists would embrace big government just to be able to say he is evil.

That's flat out lies.

What I've said is that I know for a fact that the ending of the Fed and IRS has been planned by those that created it, just like Smith writes about, and is not some wonderful liberation by Trump, though that is what it will be sold as, no doubt with you playing head cheerleader here on RPF. Book it.

Ending the Fed and IRS is indeed a good thing. What springs from that is what matters.


It's nice to hear that you got over your belief that Russiagate was true.

:up:

I don't know about "Russiagate", in the sense that the election was decided/interfered wit by Russians but Trump's connections to Russian oligarchs is extremely well documented. Then again, it appears most of our high office holders are connected to Russian oligarchs since Russia is slated to be higher on the totem pole than America in the NWO.

http://www.conspiracyschool.com/blog/trump-puppet-kissinger-cfr-and-rothschilds-the-true-architects-russian-collusion

nikcers
01-05-2019, 11:11 PM
It's nice to hear that you got over your belief that Russiagate was true.

:up:
I still believe the democrats did try and fail to hack the election and used Russia as a scapegoat for losing the election and all of the propaganda during the election. I still don't think the Republicans or Trump campaign had anything to do with it.

UWDude
01-05-2019, 11:34 PM
That's flat out lies.

What I've said is that I know for a fact that the ending of the Fed and IRS has been planned by those that created it, just like Smith writes about, and is not some wonderful liberation by Trump, though that is what it will be sold as, no doubt with you playing head cheerleader here on RPF. Book it.



Of course, devil21 is one of those, "you don't know anything. You believe all that conspiracy nonsense still!?? Ha! You are too blind to see the conspiracy BEHIND the conspiracy! WAKE UP!"

devil21
01-05-2019, 11:37 PM
Of course, devil21 is one of those, "you don't know anything. You believe all that conspiracy nonsense still!?? Ha! You are too blind to see the conspiracy BEHIND the conspiracy! WAKE UP!"

That doesn't even make sense. You're flailing. Sad.

Origanalist
01-05-2019, 11:42 PM
He does sound a lot like you and that isn't a compliment to either one of you.

The article is stupid, it is yet another manifestation of losertarianism, losertarians (as opposed to libertarians) are scared of winning unless the anarchy fairy appears and dissolves government overnight.

Even if the premise of the article is true (which I find unlikely) it leaves us with a problem, what are we supposed to do about it?
The only thing we can do is take what we can get and push for more.

Sitting around whining because we are getting some of what we want is just plain dumb.

I find it odd that you use the term losertarian. This is the same term used by neo con Zionist shills to describe Ron Paul and his supporters and here you are on RPF's doing the exact same thing.

UWDude
01-05-2019, 11:43 PM
That doesn't even make sense. You're flailing. Sad.

your sig?


Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

this?


I know for a fact that the ending of the Fed and IRS has been planned by those that created it

You are a "conspiracy behind the conspiracy" theorist.

UWDude
01-05-2019, 11:45 PM
I find it odd that you use the term losertarian. This is the same term used by neo con Zionist shills to describe Ron Paul and his supporters and here you are on RPF's doing the exact same thing.

I hated it when Medved said it. But now, it makes sense for about half of you.
Of course, when medved was saying it, he was saying it because it was about libertarian principles he didn't like.

When I use it, it is to refer to all the libertarian purists who have no idea what "compromise", eg, "coalition building", eg "solidarity", eg "winning" means.

You all would just rather be defeated on your hill of principles.

losertarian, idealistiot. same thing.

Swordsmyth
01-05-2019, 11:45 PM
I find it odd that you use the term losertarian. This is the same term used by neo con Zionist shills to describe Ron Paul and his supporters and here you are on RPF's doing the exact same thing.
I make a distinction between libertarians and losertarians, losertarians are the ones who insist on losing and watching the country go to hell in a handbasket rather than accept anything less than 100% purity.

devil21
01-05-2019, 11:50 PM
your sig?

this?

You are a "conspiracy behind the conspiracy" theorist.

If you're suggesting I don't swallow the first narrative presented for my consumption by the MSM like CNN, nor the second narrative presented for my consumption by alt-MSM like Infowars, and instead research into the unreported third narrative, then yep that sounds about right. Try it, you might learn some things.

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I find it odd that you use the term losertarian. This is the same term used by neo con Zionist shills to describe Ron Paul and his supporters and here you are on RPF's doing the exact same thing.

That's because he's not a libertarian. He's here to sell the first and second narratives...

Swordsmyth
01-06-2019, 12:01 AM
If you're suggesting I don't swallow the first narrative presented for my consumption by the MSM like CNN, nor the second narrative presented for my consumption by alt-MSM like Infowars, and instead research into the unreported third narrative, then yep that sounds about right. Try it, you might learn some things.

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That's because he's not a libertarian. He's here to sell the first and second narratives...
I'm here to sell solutions that work to restore liberty, you are here to sell red herrings and false solutions that make things worse.

devil21
01-06-2019, 12:11 AM
I'm here to sell solutions that work to restore liberty, you are here to sell red herrings and false solutions that make things worse.

No one really believes that...

I do enjoy throwing monkey-wrenches into your MSM approved narratives though. You're kinda like Zippy in that if I find myself agreeing with you about something then I need to rethink where my mind is at. Thank you for your litmus test status.

Swordsmyth
01-06-2019, 12:17 AM
No one really believes that...

I do enjoy throwing monkey-wrenches into your MSM approved narratives though. You're kinda like Zippy in that if I find myself agreeing with you about something then I need to rethink where my mind is at. Thank you for your litmus test status.
That works for me about you.

nikcers
01-06-2019, 12:18 AM
If you're suggesting I don't swallow the first narrative presented for my consumption by the MSM like CNN, nor the second narrative presented for my consumption by alt-MSM like Infowars, and instead research into the unreported third narrative, then yep that sounds about right. Try it, you might learn some things.

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That's because he's not a libertarian. He's here to sell the first and second narratives...

Alternative conspiracy theories used to be everywhere on the internet now it seems they get shut down. Who takes over the payment systems if the government no longer does it is it? Do we move to payment systems like Apple/Amazon/Google or do they fight the government for power and crash the economy?

devil21
01-06-2019, 12:31 AM
Alternative conspiracy theories used to be everywhere on the internet now it seems they get shut down. Who takes over the payment systems if the government no longer does it is it? Do we move to payment systems like Apple/Amazon/Google or do they fight the government for power and crash the economy?

Since CT became much more mainstream and people started waking up to media and politician's lies, the control solution was determined to be, instead of ignoring or ridiculing CT as in the past, to take over the dissemination of CT and instead present approved CT narratives for mass consumption (see: Qanon). Co-opting via magic Fed bucks is how they take over everything that is a threat. That, and introducing new "personalities" to big stages as pied pipers.

nikcers
01-06-2019, 12:57 AM
Since CT became much more mainstream and people started waking up to media and politician's lies, the control solution was determined to be, instead of ignoring or ridiculing CT as in the past, to take over the dissemination of CT and instead present approved CT narratives for mass consumption (see: Qanon). Co-opting via magic Fed bucks is how they take over everything that is a threat. That, and introducing new "personalities" to big stages as pied pipers.
I think that Qanon was designed to make people stop believing in CT because so many were found out to be true.

Cap
01-06-2019, 09:04 AM
I'm here to sell solutions that work to restore liberty, you are here to sell red herrings and false solutions that make things worse.Now that's funny dude.

devil21
01-06-2019, 10:47 AM
I think that Qanon was designed to make people stop believing in CT because so many were found out to be true.

Yeah I mostly agree with you. Demoralizing new-to-CT types while keeping them sitting back waiting for the eleventy gazillion sealed indictments that will never materialize, all while the agenda continues on.

nikcers
01-06-2019, 11:58 AM
Yeah I mostly agree with you. Demoralizing new-to-CT types while keeping them sitting back waiting for the eleventy gazillion sealed indictments that will never materialize, all while the agenda continues on.

The bonus might be is to encourage real people to leak information out so they can crack down on it because apparently they are cracking down on whistleblowing even more now


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL14lCYFXno

Champ
01-06-2019, 12:18 PM
Are more, less, or an equal amount of people awakened to the corruption of governments and the elites now, as compared to 5 years ago? Compared to 10 years ago? 20 years ago?

Anti Globalist
01-06-2019, 12:21 PM
Remember during the elections, when all the losers and haters were saying Trump didn't actually want to win, he was goign to throw the election, and that he was actually best friends with the Clintons, and this was all a ruse, and that he was just a pied piper, and that Hillary was going to win?

remember that?

I still remember.

Just because you guys forget everything, doesn't mean I do.
Yep this was pretty much me.

Origanalist
01-06-2019, 12:25 PM
Remember during the elections, when all the losers and haters were saying Trump didn't actually want to win, he was goign to throw the election, and that he was actually best friends with the Clintons, and this was all a ruse, and that he was just a pied piper, and that Hillary was going to win?

remember that?

I still remember.

Just because you guys forget everything, doesn't mean I do.

Remember during the election when you were here proclaiming Trump just short of the second coming of Christ and he was going to save the world? I do.

spudea
01-06-2019, 02:12 PM
this thread is yikes, if some of the people in this thread had their way we wouldn't of elected Rand Paul, he wasn't pure enough, he had his detractors here on the forums, he co-opted the liberty movement, and just said the right propaganda to get the "dumb" libertarians to vote for him, meanwhile the "woke" libertarian purists realized he was just a pied piper for the new world order.....

I'm glad Hillary Clinton lost, there are several good things happening with Donald Trumps election, but people in this thread that hate him just build a mythical conspiracy and ridicule those of us deemed less than pure libertarians for highlighting the good things happening. Many of you are just anarchists. The fact that I've accepted this is our government and there is a method for promoting liberty in our current government, and I do not participate in a mass opt-out like devil21, apparently makes me a stooge of the NWO and a fake libertarian. Shame.

devil21
01-06-2019, 03:05 PM
this thread is yikes, if some of the people in this thread had their way we wouldn't of elected Rand Paul, he wasn't pure enough, he had his detractors here on the forums, he co-opted the liberty movement, and just said the right propaganda to get the "dumb" libertarians to vote for him, meanwhile the "woke" libertarian purists realized he was just a pied piper for the new world order.....

I'm glad Hillary Clinton lost, there are several good things happening with Donald Trumps election, but people in this thread that hate him just build a mythical conspiracy and ridicule those of us deemed less than pure libertarians for highlighting the good things happening. Many of you are just anarchists. The fact that I've accepted this is our government and there is a method for promoting liberty in our current government, and I do not participate in a mass opt-out like devil21, apparently makes me a stooge of the NWO and a fake libertarian. Shame.

There's nothing constitutional republican about this government (corporation) any more. If you had any grasp of history whatsoever you'd know that it is why the constitution is flagrantly ignored at all levels. It is a corporation operating under military rule and operated under laws of war in perpetual emergency martial law status. There is no turning this ship back around in the current situation. Maybe getting a tiny bit of liberty (notice that "liberty" is what sailors get, "freedom" is what free men and women get) allowed back doesn't come close to offsetting the rest of it all....and it sure seems like every time there's some big announcement of some liberty accomplishment under Trump it quickly turns out to be fake news. I don't advocate for anarchy, I advocate for rebooting this mess with the hopeful outcome being to restore a freedom society. Not this current land-of-the-fee and home-of-the-slave, masquerading as a "free country". Lukewarm libertarians (though I remember some of your older posts that indicated you never were a libertarian and were firmly on a lot of people's troll lists) didn't make the establishment cringe back in 08 and 12. Serious libertarians bent on taking action that make real changes did. Opting out is a course of action that would be noticed. Opting out is how they cease to be able to continue to plunge everyone deeper into debt every day (yor birth certficate is a debt instrument), cease slapping on more laws restricting behavior (you consent to them by using their instruments) and cease a lot of other activities that libertarians find objectionable. If you had any real grasp of what's really been going on in this country you would know all of that. I'll consider some progress being made when that gold-fringed flag that's always behind Trump ceases to have the gold-fringe on it. Why? Because that is a war flag, so guess what it means when Trump and every other Pres that stands in front of it while selling you a load of bullshit considers you to be in that war?

Btw, I never mentioned Rand, you did, so stop building and beating down your own strawmen, thanks.

nobody's_hero
01-06-2019, 03:08 PM
Doing nothing is a recipe for losing, you may escape the eye of the dragon for a time but the gestapo will get around to you eventually and they won't care one bit about whether you have renounced their documents.

I remember when Adam Kokesh was running for office, he always used the line:

'You don't do government? Okay, government will do you.'

nobody's_hero
01-06-2019, 03:15 PM
Are more, less, or an equal amount of people awakened to the corruption of governments and the elites now, as compared to 5 years ago? Compared to 10 years ago? 20 years ago?

I've noticed a shift in foreign policy sentiment. You're talking about the people right? not the politicians? Yeah there's been a change.

And we can sit here and debate things like whether or not people such as Tucker Carlson are sincere when they give those monologues on-air criticizing the absurdity of our foreign policy, but when it gets down to it, if he's saying it— and people are listening to it— that can't be all bad.


Public opinion is a fragile thing, though. All it takes is a false flag to send everyone running for the war drums.

Mach
01-06-2019, 04:13 PM
There's nothing constitutional republican about this government (corporation) any more. If you had any grasp of history whatsoever you'd know that it is why the constitution is flagrantly ignored at all levels. It is a corporation operating under military rule and operated under laws of war in perpetual emergency martial law status. There is no turning this ship back around in the current situation. Maybe getting a tiny bit of liberty (notice that "liberty" is what sailors get, "freedom" is what free men and women get) allowed back doesn't come close to offsetting the rest of it all....and it sure seems like every time there's some big announcement of some liberty accomplishment under Trump it quickly turns out to be fake news. I don't advocate for anarchy, I advocate for rebooting this mess with the hopeful outcome being to restore a freedom society. Not this current land-of-the-fee and home-of-the-slave, masquerading as a "free country". Lukewarm libertarians (though I remember some of your older posts that indicated you never were a libertarian and were firmly on a lot of people's troll lists) didn't make the establishment cringe back in 08 and 12. Serious libertarians bent on taking action that make real changes did. Opting out is a course of action that would be noticed. Opting out is how they cease to be able to continue to plunge everyone deeper into debt every day (yor birth certficate is a debt instrument), cease slapping on more laws restricting behavior (you consent to them by using their instruments) and cease a lot of other activities that libertarians find objectionable. If you had any real grasp of what's really been going on in this country you would know all of that. I'll consider some progress being made when that gold-fringed flag that's always behind Trump ceases to have the gold-fringe on it. Why? Because that is a war flag, so guess what it means when Trump and every other Pres that stands in front of it while selling you a load of bullshit considers you to be in that war?

Btw, I never mentioned Rand, you did, so stop building and beating down your own strawmen, thanks.

So, just totally drop out and do nothing, and that will "turn this ship around"?

This exact topic is somewhere in the archives, we've done this before, probably right after the 2012 election, the "what should we do now" discussion.

Dropping out doesn't bother them, one bit, they like it.

Rand, too, should just quit?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTCxINKT7l4

James_Madison_Lives
01-06-2019, 05:47 PM
He does sound a lot like you and that isn't a compliment to either one of you.

The article is stupid, it is yet another manifestation of losertarianism, losertarians (as opposed to libertarians) are scared of winning unless the anarchy fairy appears and dissolves government overnight.

Even if the premise of the article is true (which I find unlikely) it leaves us with a problem, what are we supposed to do about it?
The only thing we can do is take what we can get and push for more.

Sitting around whining because we are getting some of what we want is just plain dumb.

He does suggest action, which is to build sustainable communities. During the Great Depression many farmers barely knew it was going on, because they grew their own food. Store food for two years and get ready to get off the phony currency, supply chain bubble.

UWDude
01-06-2019, 11:28 PM
Remember during the election when you were here proclaiming Trump just short of the second coming of Christ and he was going to save the world? I do.


He is saving the world.
He is doing a million times more than you ever will, and has done a million times more with his life, than you ever will.

UWDude
01-06-2019, 11:36 PM
I do enjoy throwing monkey-wrenches into your MSM approved narratives though.

You aren't throwing any monkey wrenches into anything.

Nobody believes your "conspiracy behind the conspiracy" crap.

There are people who believe in conspiracies behind conspiracies, and just like you, they also believe they are the only ones who have uncovered all the secrets, and everyone else around them is wrong.

So you are basically among about 5 million people in the world with their own pet conspiracy behind the conspiracy theories. None of you ever agree on who the Real power(tm) is, and therefore you have 5 million movements of one member. Which is completely powerless, and irrelevant.

Origanalist
01-07-2019, 02:48 AM
He is saving the world.
He is doing a million times more than you ever will, and has done a million times more with his life, than you ever will.

Lol, more hero worship. Do you get down on your knees every morning and night to him?

UWDude
01-07-2019, 02:55 AM
Lol, more hero worship. Do you get down on your knees every morning and night to him?

He has sacrificed greater than any man in history for his country. He has lost almost a billion dollars now. He knew what he was doing when he went in, and he knew he had to do it.

He is a hero, and I would die for him, and I would kill for him.

Your attempt at mockery would mean more if I didn't know how pathetic of a person you are... ..or maybe I'll say it nicer: you certainly are not, nor will you ever be a hero, much less my hero.

Origanalist
01-07-2019, 03:06 AM
He has sacrificed greater than any man in history for his country. He has lost almost a billion dollars now. He knew what he was doing when he went in, and he knew he had to do it.

He is a hero, and I would die for him, and I would kill for him.

Your attempt at mockery would mean more if I didn't know how pathetic of a person you are... ..or maybe I'll say it nicer: you certainly are not, nor will you ever be a hero, much less my hero.

Dude, you're pathetic.

Anti-Neocon
01-07-2019, 03:09 AM
He has sacrificed greater than any man in history for his country. He has lost almost a billion dollars now. He knew what he was doing when he went in, and he knew he had to do it.

He is a hero, and I would die for him, and I would kill for him.

Your attempt at mockery would mean more if I didn't know how pathetic of a person you are... ..or maybe I'll say it nicer: you certainly are not, nor will you ever be a hero, much less my hero.
This deserves a permanent facepalm, in stone.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg/300px-Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg

UWDude
01-07-2019, 03:26 AM
Dude, you're pathetic.

You live here.


This deserves a permanent facepalm, in stone.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg/300px-Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg

Another nobody on the internet posted a picture to make himself feel good.
So humorless, he actually forgot that he was trying to be funny.

Origanalist
01-07-2019, 03:29 AM
You live here.





Yes? And?