Gen Z Is Forgoing College To Attend Trade Schools, And This Is Horrid News For The Left

[Swordsmyth]

Generation Z, the generation coming up after Millennials, are proving that they’re going to be the next great generation in terms of not being an ungrateful waste of space.
A report from Vice (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/43ejmj/generation-z-is-skipping-college-for-trade-school) last year pointed out that Gen Z, which consists of those born between the mid-’90s through the early 2000s are attempting to avoid the mistakes of millennials, and focus on getting jobs that pay well without acquiring useless degrees and crushing debt:

For decades, technical and vocational schools have been falling out of favor, as more and more people opt for getting advanced degrees at four-year colleges. But recently, with the job market over-promising and underpaying, the trend has begun to reverse: States have started to reinvest in trade schools. And the generation inheriting volatile job prospects, a gig economy, and contract pay is following suit.
Generation Z—those who were born between the mid-1990s and early 2000s—are more often turning to trade schools to avoid the skyrocketing student debt crisis and hone skills that translate directly into jobs, from electrical engineering to cosmetology. While the power of trade unions has dwindled, and societal value still favors more elite professions, young students are finding themselves drawn to stable paychecks in fields where there’s an obvious need.





So ingrained is the idea of the importance of college in our culture to our prosperity that we’ve sidelined the very idea of skilled labor as a legitimate option, and even somewhat consider it beneath us.
Generation Z, however, is not making that mistake. As a result, more and more are moving away from the highrise office and looking more seriously at learning how to be an electrician or plumber.
Somewhere right now, Mike Rowe is smiling, as he’s been pushing this idea for some time now (https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2018/05/30/mike-rowe-talks-moving-somebodys-gotta-away-cnn-following-passion-isnt-way-happiness/), and even has gone so far as to dismiss the importance of the University in the age of having every bit of knowledge you can ask for at your fingertips, including free college lectures you can find online.
For all intents and purposes, the U.S. should be considering this move by Gen Z as a wonderful, and smart idea. However, this move away from University is going to cause some serious problems for the left.
For the left, colleges and universities are where they can finally begin injecting their politics into your child and convincing them that the country they grew up in is an evil empire filled with greedy capitalists and racist right-wingers.

On top of that, it’s the place where your child can accumulate crushing debt and acquire minimal prospects, making them support a statist system of government that promises to relieve them of their burdens if only they would support the politicians who seek to spread the wealth out enough for that to happen.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt) is only too happy to promote the idea of free college where students can be taught to think just as he does, not just by professors forcing these ideas down their throats, but by a debt system that puts them into a position where they’re more ready to believe it.
As the Senator wrote in an op-ed for the Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bernie-sanders-america-needs-free-college-now/2015/10/22/a3d05512-7685-11e5-bc80-9091021aeb69_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.70ceba266fa0):

In my view, education is essential for personal and national well-being. We live in a highly competitive, global economy, and if our economy is to be strong, we need the best-educated workforce in the world. We won’t achieve that if, every year, hundreds of thousands of bright young people cannot afford to go to college while millions more leave school deeply in debt. We need to ensure that every young person in this country who wishes to go to college can get the education that he or she desires, without going into debt and regardless of his or her family’s income.
If Gen Z is turning it’s back on all of this, then you might actually start to see the edge the left currently has on the populace begin to dull. No more indoctrinated youths taking to sidewalks with picket signs and half-assed beliefs, fewer leftist voters blindly following orders, and no more student debt weighing on a populace in an already troubled economy greasing the wheels for socialistic beliefs.

More at: https://www.infowars.com/gen-z-is-forgoing-college-to-attend-trade-schools-and-this-is-horrid-news-for-the-left/

[phill4paul]

Good.

[jkr]

Good.
This

[oyarde]

Ahh , getting a job instead of accruing debt . Oyarde approves .

[oyarde]

There are many things to accrue , friends , tools , ammo , ...... debt not so much

[Anti Federalist]

From the Orange County CA piece:


The population in much of the county is better educated than it was in 1980 — in Mr. Royce’s district, the percent of college graduates nearly doubled.

Anything that gets young folks out of the Marxist indoctrination centers.

[XNavyNuke]

Only a fool believes that union apprenticeships and technical schools do not have diversity programs run by SJWs.

XNN

[Swordsmyth]

Only a fool believes that union apprenticeships and technical schools do not have diversity programs run by SJWs.

XNN
Perhaps some do but it's nothing like going to college.

[Brian4Liberty]

Dave Ramsey and Suze Orman approve of avoiding (college) debt.

[kpitcher]

Our local county has vocational training that allows junior and senior students to spend half the day there working on one of the few dozen career opportunities. These range from EMT, IT, welding, to even culinary. My nephew has been loving the culinary training, has a summer job lined up already working in a kitchen.

I saw Mike Rowe comment recently that the Dirty Job marathon on Discover over the holidays was going strong, the CNN show Somebody has to do it had a holiday marathon, and his current facebook show is going strong. 3 shows, all about real work, all being watched. All of this helps him get his message out about the number of jobs available for anyone willing to do actual work. Maybe people are finally waking up that college isn't the only way for people to be successful.

[Schifference]

I knew 2 people that went to trade school and graduated. They could not find a job after school. Trade school is only the first step. In many trades a person needs to work thousands of hours before they are able to work themselves in the trade. Other people that have connections, one person in particular their father was a plumber, just worked for dad.

I am no expert but when regulations require thousands of hours for a person to get a certificate and thousands of hours or experience, it makes that field difficult to get into.

Shouldn't you be able to hire an unlicensed plumber to fix your plumbing problems? Does a person that cuts your hair need thousands of dollars of schooling and thousands of hours before she/he can cut a person's hair? There is an old Italian barber down the street. He won a "worlds best barber" award several years in a row. He learned how to cut hair when he was a kid. Hid daddy cut hair and his daddy's daddy cut hair. He probably exited the womb with a pair of scissors in his hand.

In many instances school is just another way of extracting more money from the people.

An unemployed college grad makes as much as a tech grad that cannot get hired.

[Schifference]

Our local county has vocational training that allows junior and senior students to spend half the day there working on one of the few dozen career opportunities. These range from EMT, IT, welding, to even culinary. My nephew has been loving the culinary training, has a summer job lined up already working in a kitchen.

I saw Mike Rowe comment recently that the Dirty Job marathon on Discover over the holidays was going strong, the CNN show Somebody has to do it had a holiday marathon, and his current facebook show is going strong. 3 shows, all about real work, all being watched. All of this helps him get his message out about the number of jobs available for anyone willing to do actual work. Maybe people are finally waking up that college isn't the only way for people to be successful.

Lots of culinary people end up as line cooks for low wages. A good waitress can make more in a couple hours than the cook working an entire shift.

[Suzanimal]

Lots of culinary people end up as line cooks for low wages. A good waitress can make more in a couple hours than the cook working an entire shift.

Not necessarily. If he gets a gig with a chain and ends up as an executive chef, he can make bank.

[Anti Globalist]

Guess Generation Z is a lot smarter than I gave them credit for.

[Schifference]

Not necessarily. If he gets a gig with a chain and ends up as an executive chef, he can make bank.

Yes but there are lots of line cooks. Some high school sports players become professional athletes. I would not sat that it is not possible but Denny's needs lot's of line cooks. Does your bar have a cook? How long has he/she been cooking? Why aren't they an executive chef? Motivation and opportunity are needed for success.

[Suzanimal]

Yes but there are lots of line cooks. Some high school sports players become professional athletes. I would not sat that it is not possible but Denny's needs lot's of line cooks. Does your bar have a cook? How long has he/she been cooking? Why aren't they an executive chef? Motivation and opportunity are needed for success.

Line cook is just a starter job in most places. My husband pays line cooks $11 an hour walking in the door and the ones who have been around awhile make more. He also told me that most of them have other gigs going on outside the restaurant. For example, my sons work in the kitchen. They work more hours in the winter and come summer, they'll cut back on kitchen work and get back into landscaping and what few handyman jobs they're qualified for. It's a win/win because the bar is generally slower in the summer.

We're just a little sports bar so Mr A is the executive chef (creates the menu) but the hotels and chains have real opportunity for advancement. Hell, even at our operation, one of the managers started as a cook.

[kpitcher]

I am no expert but when regulations require thousands of hours for a person to get a certificate and thousands of hours or experience, it makes that field difficult to get into.

Shouldn't you be able to hire an unlicensed plumber to fix your plumbing problems?

My father is a licensed master plumber and mechanical contractor, I have helped with it over the years. Both of those in Michigan require 6000 hours of supervised labor under an existing license holder in order to qualify to test for a license yourself. Meanwhile countless unlicensed people do work all over the area, many have made careers being unlicensed. From a side by side comparison there can actually be almost no difference. Licensing is a total scam for these 2 trades.

Although at least in plumbing the description of what a non licensed handyman can do is rather large. Even water conditioning can be done non licensed.

- Insurance companies, oddly enough, don't require copies of licenses. I asked our agent, he said if they find they cover an unlicensed person after a large claim they may drop them but it rarely ever comes up. Either we have a rather accepting insurance company for liability which I doubt, or it's not a big deal across the industry.

- This is for people that actually get insurance. Unless you're working for a commercial place that takes government money (Apartments), government, or for some large residential project like new homes, no one really ever asks about insurance let alone a copy of it. Otherwise any work done falls under the homeowner insurance so non licensed people are even covered there. (Horror stories about this abound, idiot non self licensed falls off a roof and successfully sues the homeowner, etc)

- Licenses used to be checked for yellow pages to advertise under a market, supposedly. That doesn't matter anymore. Google and facebook doesn't care.

- Licenses used to matter to buy equipment, some plumbing but especially furnace parts. The Internet and home depot has made that unimportant.

- Permits are technically required to do many jobs. Funny enough even township officials don't want the added expense of permits in their own home. The township hall didn't want permits for jobs done there. Again for most things, outside of a new building, a homeowner could hire a non licensed person and pull the permit themselves if they get yelled at to get a permit.

- The state does nothing to protect a licensed person, they don't even have a process to report an unlicensed person.

- Anyone advertising or doing skilled trades that they can not legally do becomes a matter for the local prosecuting attorney. No prosecutor is going to bother unless some major damage happened. I've never seen that happen. A few years ago I actually did make a call on one certain individual who was spamming local facebook groups and was a complete ass. According to my local prosecutor posting messages on a facebook group of thousands of people does not count as advertising and wasn't against the law.

The only catch for a non licensed person doing work is that if the homeowner is aware that they are not licensed to do the job, they have every legal right to not pay. I have read accounts of this happening, have heard 3rd hand stories, never seen it done locally. I'm guessing most people don't know that law, those that do aren't going to chance a house having 'accidents'.

While I understand the idea behind permits, building codes, and licensed trades, contract law would handle everything just fine. It's one part of government that could easily be gotten rid of.

[Suzanimal]

Yes but there are lots of line cooks. Some high school sports players become professional athletes. I would not sat that it is not possible but Denny's needs lot's of line cooks. Does your bar have a cook? How long has he/she been cooking? Why aren't they an executive chef? Motivation and opportunity are needed for success.

That's true with any endeavor.

[Danke]

My father is a licensed master plumber and mechanical contractor, I have helped with it over the years. Both of those in Michigan require 6000 hours of supervised labor under an existing license holder in order to qualify to test for a license yourself. Meanwhile countless unlicensed people do work all over the area, many have made careers being unlicensed. From a side by side comparison there can actually be almost no difference. Licensing is a total scam for these 2 trades.

Although at least in plumbing the description of what a non licensed handyman can do is rather large. Even water conditioning can be done non licensed.

- Insurance companies, oddly enough, don't require copies of licenses. I asked our agent, he said if they find they cover an unlicensed person after a large claim they may drop them but it rarely ever comes up. Either we have a rather accepting insurance company for liability which I doubt, or it's not a big deal across the industry.

- This is for people that actually get insurance. Unless you're working for a commercial place that takes government money (Apartments), government, or for some large residential project like new homes, no one really ever asks about insurance let alone a copy of it. Otherwise any work done falls under the homeowner insurance so non licensed people are even covered there. (Horror stories about this abound, idiot non self licensed falls off a roof and successfully sues the homeowner, etc)

- Licenses used to be checked for yellow pages to advertise under a market, supposedly. That doesn't matter anymore. Google and facebook doesn't care.

- Licenses used to matter to buy equipment, some plumbing but especially furnace parts. The Internet and home depot has made that unimportant.

- Permits are technically required to do many jobs. Funny enough even township officials don't want the added expense of permits in their own home. The township hall didn't want permits for jobs done there. Again for most things, outside of a new building, a homeowner could hire a non licensed person and pull the permit themselves if they get yelled at to get a permit.

- The state does nothing to protect a licensed person, they don't even have a process to report an unlicensed person.

- Anyone advertising or doing skilled trades that they can not legally do becomes a matter for the local prosecuting attorney. No prosecutor is going to bother unless some major damage happened. I've never seen that happen. A few years ago I actually did make a call on one certain individual who was spamming local facebook groups and was a complete ass. According to my local prosecutor posting messages on a facebook group of thousands of people does not count as advertising and wasn't against the law.

The only catch for a non licensed person doing work is that if the homeowner is aware that they are not licensed to do the job, they have every legal right to not pay. I have read accounts of this happening, have heard 3rd hand stories, never seen it done locally. I'm guessing most people don't know that law, those that do aren't going to chance a house having 'accidents'.

While I understand the idea behind permits, building codes, and licensed trades, contract law would handle everything just fine. It's one part of government that could easily be gotten rid of.

3 years as an apprentice seems a bit long. More reasonable would be having a supervisor sign off on each type of plumbing work to make sure they are knowledgable and competent.

I do most of my own plumbing (just repair or replacement for the most part). Struggled with a major clog once and finally gave up and hired a licensed plumber who had been in the business for 30+ years. He worked on it with a flexible cable cameras and even poured down some solution/acid with hot water.

3 days later, clogged again. I when back at it with my plumbing auger/snake. Finally I was able to get the culprit. A rag stuck way into the underground pipe. I could believe that was it. Only explanation I could figure is the guy we had do some work around the house must have accidentally bumped one of his rags into the toilet.

Called the plumber to see if he would refund half of his bill. Nope, wouldn't budge. Well, won't be ever calling him again.

[Schifference]

It matters not if your money goes to a college or a trade school. None of them are free. When you owe the money it doesn't matter if it was for the trade school or the college. My son is graduating from RPI with masters next year total debt will be 35k. Daughter has had 6 years of Spanish and cannot speak spanish.

[phill4paul]

I knew 2 people that went to trade school and graduated. They could not find a job after school. Trade school is only the first step. In many trades a person needs to work thousands of hours before they are able to work themselves in the trade. Other people that have connections, one person in particular their father was a plumber, just worked for dad.

I am no expert but when regulations require thousands of hours for a person to get a certificate and thousands of hours or experience, it makes that field difficult to get into.

Shouldn't you be able to hire an unlicensed plumber to fix your plumbing problems? Does a person that cuts your hair need thousands of dollars of schooling and thousands of hours before she/he can cut a person's hair? There is an old Italian barber down the street. He won a "worlds best barber" award several years in a row. He learned how to cut hair when he was a kid. Hid daddy cut hair and his daddy's daddy cut hair. He probably exited the womb with a pair of scissors in his hand.

In many instances school is just another way of extracting more money from the people.

An unemployed college grad makes as much as a tech grad that cannot get hired.

Plenty of jobs in my area. Plumbers, electricians, HVAC, construction. It's a path to owning your own business. 10-15 years working your ass of and saving towards owning your own company. Another 10 yrs. building your own business. Once you have too much work you start hiring people and let them start making you money. Wash rinse, repeat. There are 5 appliance repair companies in town. All owners are over 50. 3 are retiring in the next couple of years. All have said they would have loved to teach someone the trade and take the business over. But, all the young bucks decided to go to college. Lost opportunities.

[phill4paul]

It matters not if your money goes to a college or a trade school. None of them are free. When you owe the money it doesn't matter if it was for the trade school or the college. My son is graduating from RPI with masters next year total debt will be 35k. Daughter has had 6 years of Spanish and cannot speak spanish.

It matters quite a bit. Trade schools can be completed in 1.5 to 2 yrs. vs. 4+. At the local trade school a degree in Air Conditioning, Heating, and Refrigeration Technology is a 4 semester course and costs $5k. Considerably less than you would make at starting wages in the profession.

[Origanalist]

For the left, colleges and universities are where they can finally begin injecting their politics into your child and convincing them that the country they grew up in is an evil empire filled with greedy capitalists and racist right-wingers.


When did they start waiting for college to do that? Is this a new thing?

[Schifference]

Plenty of jobs in my area. Plumbers, electricians, HVAC, construction. It's a path to owning your own business. 10-15 years working your ass of and saving towards owning your own company. Another 10 yrs. building your own business. Once you have too much work you start hiring people and let them start making you money. Wash rinse, repeat. There are 5 appliance repair companies in town. All owners are over 50. 3 are retiring in the next couple of years. All have said they would have loved to teach someone the trade and take the business over. But, all the young bucks decided to go to college. Lost opportunities.

I agree there is use for tradesman. My only point is paying to go to Goodwin or xyz trade school is not much different than paying to go to college.

I could be totally wrong but I think that fixing appliances these days is way different than in days of old where you fix mostly mechanical parts. These days the appliance repair person reads off the error code and orders the replacement board and plugs it in. Replacement boards and the cost of the service call can rival the cost of a new machine. Did you have an appliance thread a year ago or so? Did you bring your appliance to one of these 5 reputable places to have it fixed? An appliance technician could get broken appliances for near scrap prices, fix them and resell but retail space, inventory, and the fact that people think new is better than used could make sales difficult. If the appliance repair stores were prospering, they would not be having trouble finding someone to buy their business. I had a bad washer and found a rich person that had just purchased a home that came with appliances. We got washer and dryer with current year sticker. Retail price $1800 we got for $480. Looked new. Already had to replace idler pulley mechanism on drier. I was so pleased it was mechanical. Had to disassemble the entire machine.

Bottom line. "Nothing is Easy."

[Schifference]

Lincoln Technical Institute
Undergraduate certificate in Air Conditioning, Refrigeration & Heating
Technology
Program Length: 80 weeks
Students graduating on time
52% of Title IV students complete the program within 80 weeks
1
Program Costs*
$27,020 for tuition and fees
$1,135 for books and supplies
Other Costs:
No additional information provided.

[Schifference]

It matters quite a bit. Trade schools can be completed in 1.5 to 2 yrs. vs. 4+. At the local trade school a degree in Air Conditioning, Heating, and Refrigeration Technology is a 4 semester course and costs $5k. Considerably less than you would make at starting wages in the profession.

As mentioned my son is graduating with a Masters from RPI next year. His acquired an internship the summer of his sophomore year making over $20 per hour. Made over $12k for the summer and maxed out his new IRA. Last summer he was late to the party and did not apply to sure things instead he applied based on where he might want to live after college. No internship. Worked for a manufacturing company at $14 per hour. Just yesterday he accepted an internship for this summer a couple of miles from RPI. My guess is he will be offered a job there and will be able to work there after the summer while he finishes his Masters. His out of pocket expenses for school total all in 5 years will be $35k. Undergrad Electrical Engineer. Masters Business Analytics. I encourage him to acquire a teaching certificate as a backup plan. Kid very smart and got perfect score on Math SAT.

[phill4paul]

Lincoln Technical Institute
Undergraduate certificate in Air Conditioning, Refrigeration & Heating
Technology
Program Length: 80 weeks
Students graduating on time
52% of Title IV students complete the program within 80 weeks
1
Program Costs*
$27,020 for tuition and fees
$1,135 for books and supplies
Other Costs:
No additional information provided.

Prices suck where you are from. What else can I say? Program length for the degree that I listed is only 39 hrs. $5k.

[Schifference]

Prices suck where you are from. What else can I say? Program length for the degree that I listed is only 39 hrs. $5k.

Not where I live I googled cost to go to Lincoln Tech.

[Swordsmyth]

When did they start waiting for college to do that? Is this a new thing?
It gets much worse in colleges.