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Warlord
01-02-2019, 07:38 PM
He's going to talk about never ending wars. Tune in NOW

Warlord
01-02-2019, 07:45 PM
This is superb. The Colonel guest is kicking ass

Warlord
01-02-2019, 07:48 PM
Tucker has a huge audience and that segment was gold

Warlord
01-02-2019, 07:49 PM
BTW Tucker is repeated in 2 hours I think so if you missed it tune in then!

RonZeplin
01-02-2019, 08:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9yYzfX6Ays

AuH20
01-02-2019, 10:02 PM
'Millionaires made in that 7 area codes.'

CRAZY TO THINK.

AuH20
01-03-2019, 12:25 PM
He's really become a national treasure.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSuQ-AyiicA&feature=youtu.be


For our ruling class, more investment banking is always the answer. They teach us it’s more virtuous to devote your life to some soulless corporation than it is to raise your own kids. Sheryl Sandburg of Facebook wrote an entire book about this. Sandburg explained that our first duty is to shareholders, above our own children. No surprise there. Sandburg herself is one of America’s biggest shareholders. Propaganda like this has made her rich. What’s remarkable is how the rest of us responded. We didn’t question why Sandburg was saying this. We didn’t laugh in her face at the pure absurdity of it. Our corporate media celebrated Sandburg as the leader of a liberation movement. Her book became a bestseller: Lean In. As if putting a corporation first is empowerment. It’s not. It’s bondage. Republicans should say so.

They should also speak out against the ugliest parts of our financial system. Not all commerce is good. Why is it defensible to loan people money they can’t possibly repay? Or charge them interest that impoverishes them? Payday loan outlets in poor neighborhoods collect 400 percent annual interest. We’re ok with that? We shouldn’t be. Libertarians tell us that’s how markets work: consenting adults making voluntary decisions about how to live their lives. OK. But it’s also disgusting. If you care about America, you ought to oppose the exploitation of Americans, whether it’s happening in the inner city or on Wall Street.


What kind of country do you want to live in? A fair country. A decent country. A cohesive country. A country whose leaders don’t accelerate the forces of change purely for their own profit and amusement. A country you might recognize when you’re old. A country that listens to young people who don’t live in Brooklyn. A country where you can make a solid living outside of the big cities. A country where Lewiston, Maine seems almost as important as the west side of Los Angeles. A country where environmentalism means getting outside and picking up the trash. A clean, orderly, stable country that respects itself. And above all, a country where normal people with an average education who grew up no place special can get married, and have happy kids, and repeat unto the generations. A country that actually cares about families, the building block of everything.

What will it take a get a country like that? Leaders who want it. For now, those leaders will have to be Republicans. There’s no option at this point. But first, Republican leaders will have to acknowledge that market capitalism is not a religion. Market capitalism is a tool, like a staple gun or a toaster. You’d have to be a fool to worship it. Our system was created by human beings for the benefit of human beings. We do not exist to serve markets. Just the opposite. Any economic system that weakens and destroys families isn’t worth having. A system like that is the enemy of a healthy society.

Warlord
01-03-2019, 01:23 PM
Does anyone know who that colonel was? He was brilliant

Stratovarious
01-03-2019, 01:31 PM
'Millionaires made in that 7 area codes.'

CRAZY TO THINK.

'Millionaires made in that 7 area codes.'
What am I missing, is that English?

Stratovarious
01-03-2019, 01:33 PM
I used to love Judge Andrew Napolitano, though Tucker has pulled way ahead
in my book, especially after some calls from Andrew that I just couldn't
buy.

Todd
01-03-2019, 01:35 PM
I remember people around here thought Glen Beck was a national treasure too. Lol...

Then he shit on and torpedoed every major liberty candidate we had.....especially when it mattered. Aka Debra Medina

Sorry If I have reservations for acknowledging ANYONE who holds a MSM Commentator position as anyone who might be legitimate.

nikcers
01-03-2019, 01:44 PM
I remember people around here thought Glen Beck was a national treasure too. Lol...

Then he $#@! on and torpedoed every major liberty candidate we had.....especially when it mattered. Aka Debra Medina

Sorry If I have reservations for acknowledging ANYONE who holds a MSM Commentator position as anyone who might be legitimate.

Tucker Carlson would be a horrible schill, I mean who wouldn't buy a car from Tucker, I would.

Stratovarious
01-03-2019, 01:49 PM
I remember people around here thought Glen Beck was a national treasure too. Lol...

Then he $#@! on and torpedoed every major liberty candidate we had.....especially when it mattered. Aka Debra Medina

Sorry If I have reservations for acknowledging ANYONE who holds a MSM Commentator position as anyone who might be legitimate.

I hope Tucker isn't just telling us what he knows libertarians and conservatives like to hear, after
looking at the rank and file of Fox over the years; Hannity, O'Reilly , why didn't they just fire Tucker,
why is he still there... (rhetorical)

Stratovarious
01-03-2019, 01:52 PM
Maybe everyone else is fine with the 50 commercials on this clip from Fox,
I let first commercials run if I like the presenters, but when I see them lined up
in the wings, I kill it as soon as the 2nd add starts.

AuH20
01-03-2019, 02:07 PM
I hope Tucker isn't just telling us what he knows libertarians and conservatives like to hear, after
looking at the rank and file of Fox over the years; Hannity, O'Reilly , why didn't they just fire Tucker,
why is he still there... (rhetorical)

I think he's holding on by a string. He's already been reprimanded according to sources.

AuH20
01-03-2019, 02:15 PM
Corporate GOP runs Fox News. Carlson essentially voices detailed monologues in fierce opposition to this craven corporate culture. In other words, he's not long for the channel.

nikcers
01-03-2019, 02:28 PM
I think he's holding on by a string. He's already been reprimanded according to sources.

I'd buy your car too. Can you make me believe again? I want to believe in Tucker again, so bad.

CaptUSA
01-03-2019, 02:46 PM
Granted, I can't watch this now, but this is concerning:


There’s no option at this point. But first, Republican leaders will have to acknowledge that market capitalism is not a religion. Market capitalism is a tool, like a staple gun or a toaster. You’d have to be a fool to worship it. Our system was created by human beings for the benefit of human beings. We do not exist to serve markets. Just the opposite. Any economic system that weakens and destroys families isn’t worth having. A system like that is the enemy of a healthy society.

I hope this is out of context. Market capitalism doesn't cause those problems - quite the opposite.

https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-underlying-most-arguments-against-the-free-market-is-a-lack-of-belief-in-freedom-itself-milton-friedman-10-31-00.jpg

nikcers
01-03-2019, 02:47 PM
Corporate GOP runs Fox News. Carlson essentially voices detailed monologues in fierce opposition to this craven corporate culture. In other words, he's not long for the channel.

Stupid Fox, Tucker Carlson is just too smart, they have an anti war anchor pushing conflicting political views using their own property. Tucker Carlson is just hitting them with their own fists and they are powerless to do anything to stop him. Tucker Carlson is just that charismatic so they are hypnotized into not even understanding what he is doing to them with their own property.

I almost feel bad for Tucker, a liberty advocate having to work against his own political views for Fox. I mean how does he sleep at night, but then I realized that Tucker is just too smart for them to figure out his 4d chess he is sleeping on a bed of money while punching fox with their own fists and they can't do anything about it. Ben Swann wasn't that smart, they took him off the air real fast.

AuH20
01-03-2019, 03:02 PM
Stupid Fox, Tucker Carlson is just too smart, they have an anti war anchor pushing conflicting political views using their own property. Tucker Carlson is just hitting them with their own fists and they are powerless to do anything to stop him. Tucker Carlson is just that charismatic so they are hypnotized into not even understanding what he is doing to them with their own property.

I almost feel bad for Tucker, a liberty advocate having to work against his own political views for Fox. I mean how does he sleep at night, but then I realized that Tucker is just too smart for them to figure out his 4d chess he is sleeping on a bed of money while punching fox with their own fists and they can't do anything about it. Ben Swann wasn't that smart, they took him off the air real fast.

They are torn between revenue and keeping their rear guarded. But he won't be there long, especially if the sponsors have the final say. He's too controversial. Someone like Ben Shapiro could replace him.

nikcers
01-03-2019, 03:17 PM
They are torn between revenue and keeping their rear guarded. But he won't be there long, especially if the sponsors have the final say. He's too controversial. Someone like Ben Shapiro could replace him.

Tucker Carlson's propaganda isn't controversial, he is just the dog.

http://i.imgur.com/TaffD.jpg

AuH20
01-03-2019, 03:24 PM
Tucker Carlson's propaganda isn't controversial, he is just the dog.

http://i.imgur.com/TaffD.jpg

Yes, the dog who's tradcon. We need more dogs like him. More like the late Charles Lindbergh.

Stratovarious
01-03-2019, 03:24 PM
I think he's holding on by a string. He's already been reprimanded according to sources.
Great observation , I hope the string holds provided he is sincere.
Someone just mentioned Shapiro could replace him, Shapiro is a hack , especially against
someone at Tucker's level.

Stratovarious
01-03-2019, 03:30 PM
Tucker Carlson's propaganda isn't controversial, he is just the dog.




Give us a sampling of what you view as Tucker's 'Propaganda' .
:popcorn:

''Everything he says'' ...is not an example.

Swordsmyth
01-03-2019, 03:43 PM
Granted, I can't watch this now, but this is concerning:



I hope this is out of context. Market capitalism doesn't cause those problems - quite the opposite.

https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-underlying-most-arguments-against-the-free-market-is-a-lack-of-belief-in-freedom-itself-milton-friedman-10-31-00.jpg
As long as he is talking about private decisions Tucker is right.

The most profitable thing to do isn't always the right thing to do.
Some things are more important than money.

CaptUSA
01-03-2019, 06:40 PM
As long as he is talking about private decisions Tucker is right.

The most profitable thing to do isn't always the right thing to do.
Some things are more important than money.

Money is just a medium of exchange. The free market is about freely deciding what you value most. Arguments against the free market are about one person making decisions for another against their free will.

CaptUSA
01-03-2019, 07:51 PM
Wow - I finally got a chance to watch this. If this is what Fox viewers are watching, there's no wonder why they're confused.

Tucker is spouting a bunch of bullshit wrapped up in roses. He says many right things in between loads of crap that he has to know is crap.

Corporations pushed for pot legalization?! Uh, no. That was the people. 'Some' corporations finally recognized the public demand and then pushed for it. Only once the industry got lobbyists did the tide start to turn.

Market capitalism is a tool like a toaster created by humans?? No. Market capitalism is what naturally happens when government stays out of commerce. He has to know he isn't talking about market capitalism - why trash it??

I could go on and on with this point counterpoint BS, but it's clear that Tucker is the tool. Keep the people divided and confused, Tucker. You're doing a hell of a job.

Krugminator2
01-03-2019, 08:12 PM
I hope this is out of context. Market capitalism doesn't cause those problems - quite the opposite.


There was nothing out of context. I just started watching the clip and he ranted about Mitt Romney because he is (in Tucker's left wing view) a private equity guy who destroyed companies and got rich on top of what you mentioned. Tucker thinks driverless cars should be restricted because they will take jobs away. Tucker thinks Teddy Roosevelt saved capitalism. Tucker thinks trade is bad. Tucker is pretty bad across the board on economic issues.

dannno
01-03-2019, 08:18 PM
On the whole Tucker Carlson is doing a lot of good, but the free market is really a weak spot for him..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI_zE7lnukc

AuH20
01-03-2019, 08:24 PM
Tucker must be reading Kirk:


Under ruthless capitalism, Kirk argued, a man becomes “a social atom, starved for most emotions except envy and ennui, severed from true family-life and reduced to mere household-life, his old landmarks buried, his old faiths dissipated.”

AuH20
01-03-2019, 08:29 PM
There was nothing out of context. I just started watching the clip and he ranted about Mitt Romney because he is (in Tucker's left wing view) a private equity guy who destroyed companies and got rich on top of what you mentioned. Tucker thinks driverless cars should be restricted because they will take jobs away. Tucker thinks Teddy Roosevelt saved capitalism. Tucker thinks trade is bad. Tucker is pretty bad across the board on economic issues.

I think he's questioning the ethical foundation of such decisions. Sure, self-interest is at the root of this pseudo-capitalist system, but should we really push the envelope when it's not entirely necessary or ethical for that matter?

Swordsmyth
01-03-2019, 08:34 PM
I think he's questioning the ethical foundation of such decisions. Sure, self-interest is at the root of this pseudo-capitalist system, but should we really push the envelope when it's not necessary or ethical for that matter?
That's how I understood it, I didn't hear any calls for government action.

There are things more important than money and our rulers have a responsibility to the rest of our society.

Globalist cash register libertarians can't comprehend his point so they assume he is calling for government intervention.

Todd
01-03-2019, 08:38 PM
Wow - I finally got a chance to watch this. If this is what Fox viewers are watching, there's no wonder why they're confused.

Tucker is spouting a bunch of bullshit wrapped up in roses. He says many right things in between loads of crap that he has to know is crap.

Corporations pushed for pot legalization?! Uh, no. That was the people. 'Some' corporations finally recognized the public demand and then pushed for it. Only once the industry got lobbyists did the tide start to turn.

Market capitalism is a tool like a toaster created by humans?? No. Market capitalism is what naturally happens when government stays out of commerce. He has to know he isn't talking about market capitalism - why trash it??

I could go on and on with this point counterpoint BS, but it's clear that Tucker is the tool. Keep the people divided and confused, Tucker. You're doing a hell of a job.


that's my leaning as well. A little truth here, a little bullshit there. Just like I thought Limbaugh was the real deal two decades ago. When you are at this level, It's Entertainment first and the truth comes second or whatever place you can fit it in. They don't call it a show for nothing.

One thing I've learned: No meaningful debate or conversation of depth is EVER found on Fox or any of the MSM networks. And if it is you can damn well bet it won't last long and is most likely a set up.

AuH20
01-03-2019, 08:41 PM
That's how I understood it, I didn't hear any calls for government action.

There are things more important than money and our rulers have a responsibility to the rest of our society.

Globalist cash register libertarians can't comprehend his point so they assume he is calling for government intervention.

I'm of a belief that a pure capitalist system is the most equitable to all, but that's certainly not what we have. That's largely where the these vast inequalities are being sourced from. So what is the plan in the interim as these chaotic socioeconomic forces collide? Let the politically connected live risk free from their reckless behavior and penalize other sectors without such protection? It's a complicated question, until we get where we want to be.

nikcers
01-03-2019, 08:49 PM
That's how I understood it, I didn't hear any calls for government action

Its much more effective to gas light your target into taking the action you want them to take so they think they are doing it on their own volition. Oh but what would that even entail? Well they sort of normalized socialism in the last election, therefore if Tucker says unfettered capitalists are destroying our inner cities what do you think they are going to come up with as a solution?

Swordsmyth
01-03-2019, 08:54 PM
I'm of a belief that a pure capitalist system is the most equitable to all, but that's certainly not what we have. That's largely where the these vast inequalities are being sourced from. So what is the plan in the interim as these chaotic socioeconomic forces collide? Let the politically connected live risk free from their reckless behavior and penalize other sectors without such protection? It's a complicated question, until we get where we want to be.
I believe that pure capitalism is best because even if the elite are sociopaths it still produces better outcomes than government intervention but I also believe in noblesse oblige, the rich and powerful have a personal moral obligation to care for the poor and the weak, a society without charity will not remain free because the ignorant poor will turn to socialism when they feel that their leaders have betrayed them.

Since we don't have pure capitalism the need for voluntary noblesse oblige is even greater and the correct priority order for restoring liberty can be difficult to identify, if you don't follow the correct priority order you can end up ensuring a loss of liberty in spite of your intentions.

H_H
01-03-2019, 11:01 PM
I remember people around here thought Glen Beck was a national treasure too. Lol...

Then he $#@! on and torpedoed every major liberty candidate we had.....especially when it mattered. Aka Debra Medina

Sorry If I have reservations for acknowledging ANYONE who holds a MSM Commentator position as anyone who might be legitimate.

Beck was fairly universally hated on RPF. Always some lukewarm defense of him as "not all bad; could be a gateway drug" but little to no true-blue Beck partisans. Especially the second go-around in 2012 (post-2010, as you point out, Todd). 2008 he was maybe more ambiguous; I don't remember.

He was always Beck, though. A hormonally-imbalanced, weeping on-air, 100-IQ, ex-drunk Boomer. His show was for Boomers, by Boomers, epitomizing all right-wing Boomerhood on one convenient whiteboard.

Tucker is totally different. I mean, he just clearly is. He is the Anti-Boomer. He is the opposite and the enemy of everything that Boomer Nation stands for. He is high-IQ, masculine, behaves normally, has a beautiful family, does not have a dark past as a suicidal drunken failure, and he is an incredibly interesting and independent intellectual. He says interesting things. He actually thinks. Beck thought, too, but at a stupid level, so anyone not stupid just couldn't get into it. Tucker spoke at the Rally for the Republic that we put on and was always nice to Ron Paul and, indeed, extremely respectful. Sincerely respectful. As in, he truly respected, and still respects, Ron Paul and his supporters. And agrees with us on many points.

I agree with you, Todd, that everything on the TV is utterly controlled by complete and utter liars who are bent on destroying everything beautiful and good; indeed destroying us. They hate us. And so it baffles me why they have allowed Tucker Carlson -- a good man, who every single night is saying things extremely problematic to their narrative -- to have a platform. Maybe as a pressure release valve? Probably overconfidence, and also incompetence. It was a series of unexpected events that brought down the absolutely disgusting, toxic, evil Boomer Bill O-Reilly and allowed Tucker to fill in the gap in the shuffle. They probably just didn't realize how problematic he was.

Now, they do. His days are numbered.

H_H
01-03-2019, 11:07 PM
that's my leaning as well. A little truth here, a little bull$#@! there.

Well, do you share his goal, though? That is, do you also think that making a livable and sane nation for our grandchildren and great-great grandchildren is the prime and over-riding goal?

That's really his main point. The rest is details.

Most of your leaders have absolutely no interest in that goal.

If you do, then you're on his side.

Schifference
01-04-2019, 05:50 AM
I think the point he was making about the legalization of pot was that for years it was illegal and once government decided they could literally cash in on the sale of pot it was all of a sudden legal.

Schifference
01-04-2019, 05:52 AM
Well, do you share his goal, though? That is, do you also think that making a livable and sane nation for our grandchildren and great-great grandchildren is the prime and over-riding goal?

That's really his main point. The rest is details.

Most of your leaders have absolutely no interest in that goal.

If you do, then you're on his side.

Okay but how does government make this a better place for your grandchildren? Government doesn't do anything except make things expensive, difficult, and illegal.

CaptUSA
01-04-2019, 06:44 AM
Well, do you share his goal, though? That is, do you also think that making a livable and sane nation for our grandchildren and great-great grandchildren is the prime and over-riding goal?

That's really his main point. The rest is details.

Most of your leaders have absolutely no interest in that goal.

If you do, then you're on his side.

I'm not sure how you derived that from that incoherent rant. Unless you were predisposed to want to agree with it and he was able to ring enough bells in you.

Seriously, as I watched that I was like, "Yes! Well, almost... What?! Well, that's right... Wait, what??! Absolutely not! Ok, bringing it around now... Ok, is this guy insane?? WTF are you trying to do here to Fox viewers?? Oh, I get it... All about keeping your viewers confused and keeping the division growing." I believe THAT was the goal of that rant.

I can't believe so many people fall for this over and over. People would be so much better off if they blew up their TV's. But then, how would they know which fears should drive them???

CaptUSA
01-04-2019, 06:58 AM
That's how I understood it, I didn't hear any calls for government action.

Seriously? :rolleyes: You don't think he was softening his viewers up on the idea that "market capitalism" isn't really that precious and doesn't need to be defended?
If he meant cronyism, he would have said, "end cronyism and get back to market capitalism"... But that's not what he did. He laid out a series of incoherent problems then pointed the finger at freedom.


There are things more important than money and our rulers have a responsibility to the rest of our society.

Globalist cash register libertarians can't comprehend his point so they assume he is calling for government intervention.

Ugh - you still don't get it. Money =/= value. Money is a medium of exchange. A single measurement of value. And not a very good measurement since it's always changing. If you think market capitalism is about money, you have totally and completely missed the point. It's about individuals making their own decisions instead of rulers.

But then, you pretty much like to make decisions for other people, right, Boromir? As long as people make the decisions that you and Tucker think are good ones, then you'll allow them to think they're free. How benevolent of you.

Sheesh... "our rulers" :rolleyes:

nikcers
01-04-2019, 07:05 AM
I think the point he was making about the legalization of pot was that for years it was illegal and once government decided they could literally cash in on the sale of pot it was all of a sudden legal.

We don't really have full legalization we basically have decriminalization, the government was already making tons of money via the drug war. The DEA, the CIA, local police were getting huge amounts of budgets to put people in jail for years in for profit prisons. Local governments basically decriminalized marijuana because of the waste of money and lives and public push for legalization. The tax was just a cash grab by the greedy local politicians who would tax everything if they could. This is still less money being spent on marijuana because of decriminalization. Full legalization would waste a lot less money but most people thought it was a compromise worth making because it could be a path to full legalization.

Schifference
01-04-2019, 07:19 AM
Seriously? :rolleyes: You don't think he was softening his viewers up on the idea that "market capitalism" isn't really that precious and doesn't need to be defended?
If he meant cronyism, he would have said, "end cronyism and get back to market capitalism"... But that's not what he did. He laid out a series of incoherent problems then pointed the finger at freedom.



Ugh - you still don't get it. Money =/= value. Money is a medium of exchange. A single measurement of value. And not a very good measurement since it's always changing. If you think market capitalism is about money, you have totally and completely missed the point. It's about individuals making their own decisions instead of rulers.

But then, you pretty much like to make decisions for other people, right, Boromir? As long as people make the decisions that you and Tucker think are good ones, then you'll allow them to think they're free. How benevolent of you.

Sheesh... "our rulers" :rolleyes:

I don't know if divide and conquer is Fox New's goal. Maybe they are hanging on by a thread also. Maybe MSM realizes that they are becoming irrelevant. These days people see something online and tune in to see if MSM even covered it. Today's MSM is two day old RPF threads. Only time they have original content is if they interview a person but interviews are not even exclusive. Look at Rand Paul. Often times we see he will be on Meet the Press or whatever and that same day he is on 3 other shows saying the same thing.

Stratovarious
01-04-2019, 07:22 AM
We don't really have full legalization we basically have decriminalization, the government was already making tons of money via the drug war. The DEA, the CIA, local police were getting huge amounts of budgets to put people in jail for years in for profit prisons. Local governments basically decriminalized marijuana because of the waste of money and lives and public push for legalization. The tax was just a cash grab by the greedy local politicians who would tax everything if they could. This is still less money being spent on marijuana because of decriminalization. Full legalization would waste a lot less money but most people thought it was a compromise worth making because it could be a path to full legalization.

In is sense they tax everything even sex, our kids are a result of that sex,
they mature and are taxed to death.
The natural progression of Governments is always to the point of smothering control,
and of course cog along the way. The best we can do is slow the redundancy of that
taxation.
Does anyone remember the statements in the tax code as I believe Aaron Russo pointed out;
'' there shall be no tax on income and wages'' ''our taxes are voluntary''

Warlord
01-04-2019, 07:36 AM
I like Tucker.. didnt he MC the Ron Paul convention?

nikcers
01-04-2019, 07:40 AM
I like Tucker.. didnt he MC the Ron Paul convention?

Sometimes I hope he is just playing the character they have him play on TV and he tries to slip in liberty stuff but that's my endless optimism for the human spirit.

shakey1
01-04-2019, 07:49 AM
I'm not sure how you derived that from that incoherent rant. Unless you were predisposed to want to agree with it and he was able to ring enough bells in you.

Seriously, as I watched that I was like, "Yes! Well, almost... What?! Well, that's right... Wait, what??! Absolutely not! Ok, bringing it around now... Ok, is this guy insane?? WTF are you trying to do here to Fox viewers?? Oh, I get it... All about keeping your viewers confused and keeping the division growing." I believe THAT was the goal of that rant.

I can't believe so many people fall for this over and over. People would be so much better off if they blew up their TV's. But then, how would they know which fears should drive them???

Yeah, that's pretty much how it seems to come off.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BofvfVPFbiM

Swordsmyth
01-04-2019, 02:21 PM
Seriously? :rolleyes: You don't think he was softening his viewers up on the idea that "market capitalism" isn't really that precious and doesn't need to be defended?
If he meant cronyism, he would have said, "end cronyism and get back to market capitalism"... But that's not what he did. He laid out a series of incoherent problems then pointed the finger at freedom.



Ugh - you still don't get it. Money =/= value. Money is a medium of exchange. A single measurement of value. And not a very good measurement since it's always changing. If you think market capitalism is about money, you have totally and completely missed the point. It's about individuals making their own decisions instead of rulers.

But then, you pretty much like to make decisions for other people, right, Boromir? As long as people make the decisions that you and Tucker think are good ones, then you'll allow them to think they're free. How benevolent of you.

Sheesh... "our rulers" :rolleyes:
We don't have free market capitalism, we have rulers, our rulers have told everyone that what we have is free market capitalism and that free market capitalism is all about money.

Tucker should have discussed the difference between what we have and free market capitalism but instead he chose to discuss what we have using the term that most people think applies to it.

You are just as wrong to pretend that we have free market capitalism and that we don't have rulers.

Even if we had free market capitalism there would still be people with more money/power/influence and they would be the ruling class, they would have a personal duty to consider the needs of the less fortunate in our society along side their own profits, if they failed to do so they would be inviting the ignorant poor to turn to socialism which would just make things worse for everyone.

CaptUSA
01-04-2019, 02:39 PM
We don't have free market capitalism, we have rulers, our rulers have told everyone that what we have is free market capitalism and that free market capitalism is all about money.

Boromir's got a mouse in his pocket.

YOU may have rulers - I do not.
YOU may think the free market is about money - I do not.
Your rulers may have told YOU and Tucker that we have free market capitalism - They can't tell ME that.

I'm not pretending anything. We don't have a free market and what you see as "rulers", I see as busy-body central planners that think they have the power to make decisions for other people. If Tucker has a problem with Cronyism, then he should call it out. But to point the finger at too much freedom??? Gimme a break.

H_H
01-04-2019, 05:48 PM
Okay but how does government make this a better place for your grandchildren?



https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51AGC73Z14L._SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_.jpg

Buy it. Read it. Learn it. Seriously.

H_H
01-04-2019, 05:58 PM
I'm not sure how you derived that from that incoherent rant... People would be so much better off if they blew up their TV's. But then, how would they know which fears should drive them???

How did I do it? Elementary: that’s what he led with. He went on about it for quite a while. The future. The big picture. The well-being of our unborn descendants.

As for TV, I agree. I agree with you more than you agree with yourself. I did watch the monologue in question, it being recommended as exceptionally interesting and it did not disappoint, but I did not see the episode in which it appeared. For I have no TV, and no TV substitute. No Netflix. No nothing. How ‘bout you, Cap’n?

I recommend unplugging. For sure. Check out. Save your mind and your soul, while you still can.

Stratovarious
01-04-2019, 06:15 PM
''The nine most terrifying words in the English language;
I'm from the government, and I'm here to help.'' - Ronald Reagan

AuH20
01-05-2019, 10:03 PM
They are freaking out, now that Tucker is airing the truth about our wonderful system.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwIEnhMX4AAFXqq.jpg

They aren't helpless. They need to realize that their job and income isn't their life. They need to find the courage of their ancestors and get the boot off their necks.

AuH20
01-05-2019, 10:05 PM
French is wrong. If you got rid of the elites, many of our problems would disappear as well. He's trying to 'gate-keep' again.

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kahless
01-05-2019, 10:41 PM
French is wrong. If you got rid of the elites, many of our problems would disappear as well. He's trying to 'gate-keep' again.

Ben Shapiro retweeted it to, another shill and gatekeeper for the elites. Pretty obvious the elites are ramping up to take back the narrative for future elections.

AuH20
01-05-2019, 11:07 PM
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AuH20
01-05-2019, 11:07 PM
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AuH20
01-05-2019, 11:10 PM
French is a disingenuous huckster. He wants others to get more useless degrees, so they can join him in the managerial class. He's just another shyster.

AuH20
01-05-2019, 11:12 PM
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H_H
01-05-2019, 11:12 PM
Ben Shapiro retweeted it to, another shill and gatekeeper for the elites. Pretty obvious the elites are ramping up to take back the narrative for future elections.

Love your new avatar, kahless.

AuH20
01-05-2019, 11:13 PM
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CaptUSA
01-05-2019, 11:13 PM
Lol. If you think tucker is correct, there may be little help for you. That rant was a confused mess.

H_H
01-05-2019, 11:19 PM
I stand with Tucker. I don't even care if he's wrong. Even if he were wrong about every single issue and I disagreed with him on everything. He could start advocating communism or genocide or mail-in rebates or tattoos even and I wouldn't care, I'd love him anyway. Simply because he's interesting and smart. He's the best person in television news by 20 or 30 IQ points. That includes Napolitano. The Judge's show was stupid. I tried to watch it; I wanted to love it. But the only thing it had going for it was that I agreed with it. Impossibly, mind-numbingly boring; undershooting the lowest common denominator. As virtually everything created by our alleged culture is.

I stand with Tucker. The Cap'n thinks Tucker is off his meds and he can't follow his hyper-fast, scattered, "random" monologues.* That should, like, tell you all you need to know. Actually.

* And the Cap'n's not dumb either; pretty average.

Krugminator2
01-05-2019, 11:23 PM
I stand with Tucker. I don't even care if he's wrong. Even if he were wrong about every single issue and I disagreed with him on everything. He could start advocating communism or genocide or mail-in rebates and I wouldn't care, I'd love him anyway. Simply because he's interesting and smart. He's the best person in television news by 20 or 30 IQ points.



I agree with that statement. I watch Tucker. I think he is very smart and interesting and very fair. He is probably my favorite socialist on TV. (The last part is a little tongue in cheek, but his economic views really are horrific.)

kahless
01-05-2019, 11:36 PM
I agree with that statement. I watch Tucker. I think he is very smart and interesting and very fair. He is probably my favorite socialist on TV. (The last part is a little tongue in cheek, but his economic views really are horrific.)

Did I miss something, I am curious what specifically is horrific?

I have heard him say to the effect in his monologues that Capitalism is good to be used as a tool like a toaster, not to be worshiped, opposes socialism and says it should be avoided since has been proven to be a disaster and that government should serve all the people not just the elites. In other words you can be Capitalist and be moral in your transactions. This rather than worshiping Capitalism like a god and be immoral in your business transactions.

Sounds reasonable and exactly what I believe. Good to hear someone on the tube say it for a change and call it out.

Stratovarious
01-06-2019, 02:39 AM
I stand with Tucker. I don't even care if he's wrong. Even if he were wrong about every single issue and I disagreed with him on everything. He could start advocating communism or genocide or mail-in rebates and I wouldn't care, I'd love him anyway. Simply because he's interesting and smart. He's the best person in television news by 20 or 30 IQ points. That includes Napolitano. The Judge's show was stupid. I tried to watch it; I wanted to love it. But the only thing it had going for it was that I agreed with it. Impossibly, mind-numbingly boring; undershooting the lowest common denominator. As virtually everything created by our alleged culture is.

I stand with Tucker. The Cap'n thinks Tucker is off his meds and he can't follow his hyper-fast, scattered, "random" monologues.* That should, like, tell you all you need to know. Actually.

* And the Cap'n's not dumb either; pretty average.
-
Andrew Napolitano used to hit it out of the park consistently, in the last couple years
I've almost come to the point of no longer trusting him.
Tucker is amazing.
Contradictory rants aren't indicative of irrational thought, there are
good and negative aspects of any system , I think Tucker is just
honest enough to lay it all out there, for instance, there are certainly
horrible evils produced by those that abuse and hide behind their
corporate shield, yet capitalism is life, opportunity, socialism is a
stifling prison cell, a breading ground of slugs, leaches, and 3rd world s########.

Stratovarious
01-06-2019, 02:41 AM
Did I miss something, I am curious what specifically is horrific?

I have heard him say to the effect in his monologues that Capitalism is good to be used as a tool like a toaster, not to be worshiped, opposes socialism and says it should be avoided since has been proven to be a disaster and that government should serve all the people not just the elites. In other words you can be Capitalist and be moral in your transactions. This rather than worshiping Capitalism like a god and be immoral in your business transactions.

Sounds reasonable and exactly what I believe. Good to hear someone on the tube say it for a change and call it out.
Absolutely.

Swordsmyth
01-06-2019, 02:42 AM
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Andrew Napolitano used to hit it out of the park consistently, in the last couple years
I've almost come to the point of no longer trusting him.
He can't be trusted.

Perhaps something changed or perhaps he was a sleeper all along but he can't be trusted:

Judge Swamp strikes again (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?523218-Judge-Swamp-strikes-again)

Stratovarious
01-06-2019, 03:39 AM
He can't be trusted.

Perhaps something changed or perhaps he was a sleeper all along but he can't be trusted:

Judge Swamp strikes again (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?523218-Judge-Swamp-strikes-again)



Trey Gowdy is another one I have trouble believing in , I was one of those internet
warriors very vocally promoting Trey when no one had any idea who he was, then
he just went to H in a hand basket, I have no more trust in his ability to get
anything done, and of course Sessions was a milk toast 'plant' from the very start.
Who sends us these people......:grr:

Krugminator2
01-06-2019, 10:11 AM
Sounds reasonable and exactly what I believe. Good to hear someone on the tube say it for a change and call it out.

Bernie Sanders thinks he is moral too. Tucker's morality is no different from the people who think you should buy union made products. Free people voluntarily trading with each other is morality to me. Tucker (and maybe you) think buying cheaper goods from China is immoral. I don't. I think restricting my purchases from China is immoral. Tucker thinks people like Mitt Romney are evil for occasionally having to liquidate a failing company. I think people like Mitt Romney, the private equity guy, are heroes who force market discipline and make American business competitive. Tucker thinks driverless cars should be banned because driving for a living is the most common job for people with just a high school degree. He literally believes. He's awful.

kahless
01-06-2019, 02:01 PM
Bernie Sanders thinks he is moral too. Tucker's morality is no different from the people who think you should buy union made products. Free people voluntarily trading with each other is morality to me. Tucker (and maybe you) think buying cheaper goods from China is immoral. I don't. I think restricting my purchases from China is immoral. Tucker thinks people like Mitt Romney are evil for occasionally having to liquidate a failing company. I think people like Mitt Romney, the private equity guy, are heroes who force market discipline and make American business competitive. Tucker thinks driverless cars should be banned because driving for a living is the most common job for people with just a high school degree. He literally believes. He's awful.

This goes back to the same reasons we disagreed over Trump's policies, my support of American's first. I believe it is only realistically possible to achieve a more Libertarian like society within the US through limited government whose purpose is to defend our interests against foreign threats. Competing systems that are intent on destroying and undermining our society deny that possibility.

You can enforce market discipline, be competitive and still make a significant profit without being a immoral scumbag. Mitt Romney paints himself as a saintly Christian standing on the moral high ground. Clearly in his business actions he is no saint and rather a hypocrite as a Christian. It is simply calling things out, people and tactics for what they actually are. A moral person, a Christian, does not worship Capitalism and market discipline like a god. They use it as a tool and balance it with morality. This is not some bash on Capitalism, I am pro-Capitalist and anti-Socialist. It is calling out immorality. (Tucker has also made that distinction). How did we get to a point in this country that Capitalism is placed as an absolute extreme over morality and Christian values?

I never heard Tucker say driver-less cars should be banned and I disagree with that if he did. I do think people should stop bowing down and idolizing the Silicon Valley elites and their companies as if they are virtuous. They should be called out for the immoral and fascist pieces of shit that they are. In my opinion if a handful of Silicon Valley billionaires are going to monopolize the industry with self driving cars, resulting in massive unemployment, that threatens our economic system, then I think people should chose to boycott those companies in favor of human driven competition.

Instead we don't do that in this country. We instead jump to conclusions that people are Socialist or anti-capitalist for simply opposing immoral companies or people against people who favor competition.

Warlord
01-06-2019, 03:52 PM
Tucker is a huge improvement on that wingbag O'Reilly!

Swordsmyth
01-06-2019, 04:42 PM
This goes back to the same reasons we disagreed over Trump's policies, my support of American's first. I believe it is only realistically possible to achieve a more Libertarian like society within the US through limited government whose purpose is to defend our interests against foreign threats. Competing systems that are intent on destroying and undermining our society deny that possibility.

You can enforce market discipline, be competitive and still make a significant profit without being a immoral scumbag. Mitt Romney paints himself as a saintly Christian standing on the moral high ground. Clearly in his business actions he is no saint and rather a hypocrite as a Christian. It is simply calling things out, people and tactics for what they actually are. A moral person, a Christian, does not worship Capitalism and market discipline like a god. They use it as a tool and balance it with morality. This is not some bash on Capitalism, I am pro-Capitalist and anti-Socialist. It is calling out immorality. (Tucker has also made that distinction). How did we get to a point in this country that Capitalism is placed as an absolute extreme over morality and Christian values?

I never heard Tucker say driver-less cars should be banned and I disagree with that if he did. I do think people should stop bowing down and idolizing the Silicon Valley elites and their companies as if they are virtuous. They should be called out for the immoral and fascist pieces of $#@! that they are. In my opinion if a handful of Silicon Valley billionaires are going to monopolize the industry with self driving cars, resulting in massive unemployment, that threatens our economic system, then I think people should chose to boycott those companies in favor of human driven competition.

Instead we don't do that in this country. We instead jump to conclusions that people are Socialist or anti-capitalist for simply opposing immoral companies or people against people who favor competition.
You must spread some reputation around.........

CaptUSA
01-06-2019, 04:51 PM
How did we get to a point in this country that Capitalism is placed as an absolute extreme over morality and Christian values?

Ok, hold up. This is what you and Tucker do not understand. Capitalism is the ONLY system consistent with morality and Christian values. To uphold capitalism is to demonstrate those values. To denounce capitalism is to deny those values.

In true capitalism, the value judgments of the individual is what matters. In all other systems, the value judgments of some central planner take precedent - which violates the free will of each individual. Hardly, moral. Now, you can dislike the individual value judgments of certain people, fine. Call 'em out. But you can't blame FREEDOM! And that's what Tucker did. He didn't blame the cronyism that sets artificial incentives - no, he blamed market capitalism! Fuck that guy! To draw an analogy, he was in essence saying, "There are people who say bad things. Freedom of speech shouldn't be worshiped."

I'd have little issue with his incoherent rant if he describe why people make selfish decisions under cronyism, instead of self-interested decisions under market capitalism. But he didn't. He said "people created freedom... freedom is a tool..." He's either a moron or a damned snake. I think it's the latter. He knew what he was doing to Fox viewers. And it worked.

Ender
01-06-2019, 05:19 PM
Ok, hold up. This is what you and Tucker do not understand. Capitalism is the ONLY system consistent with morality and Christian values. To uphold capitalism is to demonstrate those values. To denounce capitalism is to deny those values.

In true capitalism, the value judgments of the individual is what matters. In all other systems, the value judgments of some central planner take precedent - which violates the free will of each individual. Hardly, moral. Now, you can dislike the individual value judgments of certain people, fine. Call 'em out. But you can't blame FREEDOM! And that's what Tucker did. He didn't blame the cronyism that sets artificial incentives - no, he blamed market capitalism! $#@! that guy! To draw an analogy, he was in essence saying, "There are people who say bad things. Freedom of speech shouldn't be worshiped."

I'd have little issue with his incoherent rant if he describe why people make selfish decisions under cronyism, instead of self-interested decisions under market capitalism. But he didn't. He said "people created freedom... freedom is a tool..." He's either a moron or a damned snake. I think it's the latter. He knew what he was doing to Fox viewers. And it worked.

Yep. Few understand what real Capitalism is anymore.

Capitalism was given a bad name by the NeoCons so that it has become the idea of crony capitalism in most people's eyes & not the freedom that REAL Capitalism & the free market actually represents.

kahless
01-06-2019, 06:15 PM
Ok, hold up. This is what you and Tucker do not understand. Capitalism is the ONLY system consistent with morality and Christian values. To uphold capitalism is to demonstrate those values. To denounce capitalism is to deny those values.

I did not denounce it and believe it to be the best system. Yet I do not believe in absolute orthodox adherence to the point where one throws morality and their Christian beliefs out the window in it's execution. That is pointless and unnecessary. Those that do should not be seen as virtuous and of course that applies to crony Capitalists as well.

To disregard morality, one's Christian values and the golden rule in absolute adherence of an economic system in all circumstances and for that to be seen as virtuous in doing so is a sign we are living in a sick society.

kahless
01-06-2019, 06:16 PM
Yep. Few understand what real Capitalism is anymore.

Capitalism was given a bad name by the NeoCons so that it has become the idea of crony capitalism in most people's eyes & not the freedom that REAL Capitalism & the free market actually represents.

This I agree combined with what I said above.

Swordsmyth
01-06-2019, 06:24 PM
I did not denounce it and believe it to be the best system. Yet I do not believe in absolute orthodox adherence to the point where one throws morality and their Christian beliefs out the window in it's execution. That is pointless and unnecessary. Those that do should not be seen as virtuous and of course that applies to crony Capitalists as well.

To disregard morality, one's Christian values and the golden rule in absolute adherence of an economic system in all circumstances and for that to be seen as virtuous in doing so is a sign we are living in a sick society.
Capt is correct that it is a misinterpretation of capitalism to worship monetary profit but that is Tucker's point, that misinterpretation is what he is talking about when he says it is wrong to make capitalism a religion.

Occam's Banana
01-06-2019, 06:33 PM
Contradictory rants aren't indicative of irrational thought

Yes, they are.

Contradiction is the quintessence of irrationality.

Krugminator2
01-06-2019, 06:34 PM
I

To disregard morality, one's Christian values and the golden rule in absolute adherence of an economic system in all circumstances and for that to be seen as virtuous in doing so is a sign we are living in a sick society.

What your missing is many people don't have your values. I don't want to drink fair trade coffee. I am perfectly okay if some ten year old was put to work. Wal-Mart is wonderful. I like the big beautiful tax cut Wal-Mart gives me with lower prices. What did Romney do wrong in his business practices? Some companies are worth more dead than alive. What kind of morality is for unions and management with no stake in the business to bleed a once profitable company dry at the expense of the owners of the company?

A lot of what is peddled as morality is just economic illiteracy. I don't want to buy an American car. Me driving an American car adds zero to American employment. The fine Japanese will use their dollars put Americans to work some place else and more efficiently. And what if my morality precludes me from not wanting to reward bailouts and unreliable shit? The individual consumer should decide what is moral for them, not some central planner or TV personality.

Swordsmyth
01-06-2019, 06:38 PM
What your missing is many people don't have your values. I don't want to drink fair trade coffee. I am perfectly okay if some ten year old was put to work. Wal-Mart is wonderful. I like the big beautiful tax cut Wal-Mart gives me with lower prices. What did Romney do wrong in his business practices? Some companies are worth more dead than alive. What kind of morality is for unions and management with no stake in the business to bleed a once profitable company dry at the expense of the owners of the company?

A lot of what is peddled as morality is just economic illiteracy. I don't want to buy an American car. Me driving an American car adds zero to American employment. The fine Japanese will use their dollars put Americans to work some place else and more efficiently. And what if my morality precludes me from not wanting to reward bailouts and unreliable $#@!? The individual consumer should decide what is moral for them, not some central planner or TV personality.
There are cases where the question is clearer, it IS immoral to deal in slave labor and stolen goods and it IS immoral to collaborate in a hostile foreign power's attempts to destroy America and harm Americans.

Stratovarious
01-06-2019, 06:44 PM
Yes, they are.

Contradiction is the quintessence of irrationality.
True, if you don't understand the nuances of the content.

CaptUSA
01-06-2019, 07:16 PM
To disregard morality, one's Christian values and the golden rule in absolute adherence of an economic system in all circumstances and for that to be seen as virtuous in doing so is a sign we are living in a sick society.

Once again, you misunderstand. That system IS the morality. It is freedom. That IS the moral and Christian system. If your values are in conflict with that system, it's an indication that your values need adjustment. You can call it an "economic system" as a way to hide that fact - as if all economic systems are created by man. But this is the system that is created by God. Read the Bastiat quote in my signature. So in reality, what you are saying is, "An absolute adherence to morals and Christian values is a sign we are living in a sick society - because it doesn't always turn out like I want it to."

If you mean cronyism, then call it cronyism! But Tucker did not. And he did not, on purpose. Because he's trying to peel you away from the belief that things work best when the laws of man don't interfere with the laws of nature. He's literally calling for Fox news viewers to shed their Christian beliefs and using their own desire to adhere to the Christian beliefs against them. He's a damned snake!

Swordsmyth
01-06-2019, 07:20 PM
Once again, you misunderstand. That system IS the morality. It is freedom. That IS the moral and Christian system. If your values are in conflict with that system, it's an indication that your values need adjustment. You can call it an "economic system" as a way to hide that fact - as if all economic systems are created by man. But this is the system that is created by God. Read the Bastiat quote in my signature. So in reality, what you are saying is, "An absolute adherence to morals and Christian values is a sign we are living in a sick society - because it doesn't always turn out like I want it to."

If you mean cronyism, then call it cronyism! But Tucker did not. And he did not, on purpose. Because he's trying to peel you away from the belief that things work best when the laws of man don't interfere with the laws of nature. He's literally calling for Fox news viewers to shed their Christian beliefs and using their own desire to adhere to the Christian beliefs against them. He's a damned snake!
You are reading an awful lot into what is really just a less than perfect enunciation of Tucker's intended message.

Origanalist
01-06-2019, 07:21 PM
Love your new avatar, kahless.

Klingon women are hot, no?

CaptUSA
01-06-2019, 07:24 PM
You are reading an awful lot into what is really just a less than perfect enunciation of Tucker's intended message.

I don't think so. Those channels have an agenda that they spew 24/7. They know what they're doing. It would have been easy for him to make the same rant without the false logic and lies. And yet he chose to proceed. Why? Because he has no problem with intellectuals centrally planning things as long as they're his type.

It's the damned brainwashing of the right side of the government party. And they get you every time. This used to be a place where people saw through their shenanigans.

Occam's Banana
01-06-2019, 07:28 PM
Contradictory rants aren't indicative of irrational thought

Yes, they are.

Contradiction is the quintessence of irrationality.

True, if you don't understand the nuances of the content.

It is true without condition, regardless of "nuances". If something is contradictory, then it is irrational. Full stop. This is one of the most fundamental laws of reason.

(You explicitly identified the "rants" to which you referred as being contradictory. Perhaps you meant to say that they may appear to be contradictory upon cursory examination, but can be found not to be so upon deeper examination. If so, then that is well enough. but that is not what you actually said.)

James_Madison_Lives
01-06-2019, 07:32 PM
Tucker for vice president! Dump Pence!

kahless
01-06-2019, 08:19 PM
Once again, you misunderstand. That system IS the morality. It is freedom. That IS the moral and Christian system. If your values are in conflict with that system, it's an indication that your values need adjustment. You can call it an "economic system" as a way to hide that fact - as if all economic systems are created by man. But this is the system that is created by God. Read the Bastiat quote in my signature. So in reality, what you are saying is, "An absolute adherence to morals and Christian values is a sign we are living in a sick society - because it doesn't always turn out like I want it to."

If you mean cronyism, then call it cronyism! But Tucker did not. And he did not, on purpose. Because he's trying to peel you away from the belief that things work best when the laws of man don't interfere with the laws of nature. He's literally calling for Fox news viewers to shed their Christian beliefs and using their own desire to adhere to the Christian beliefs against them. He's a damned snake!

I think you are reading something you think is in my posts that is not there or inferred in any way.

Edit, for next quote.


I don't think so. Those channels have an agenda that they spew 24/7. They know what they're doing. It would have been easy for him to make the same rant without the false logic and lies. And yet he chose to proceed. Why? Because he has no problem with intellectuals centrally planning things as long as they're his type.

It's the damned brainwashing of the right side of the government party. And they get you every time. This used to be a place where people saw through their shenanigans.

Confirmed again. Dude, wtf are you reading.

Stratovarious
01-07-2019, 04:32 AM
It is true without condition, regardless of "nuances". If something is contradictory, then it is irrational. Full stop. This is one of the most fundamental laws of reason.

(You explicitly identified the "rants" to which you referred as being contradictory. Perhaps you meant to say that they may appear to be contradictory upon cursory examination, but can be found not to be so upon deeper examination. If so, then that is well enough. but that is not what you actually said.)



:frog:
Life is contradiction, nothing in life is immune to it, because
Tucker may have missed some points of articulation, and
'qualifiers' does not in any way equate to him being an
irrational person/commentator.
A frog kicks himself in the a## every time he jumps, is
he irrational...

(Adolescent Semantics?)
lets see where you take with this one;
1) Capitalism is the most successful economic systems
in the world.
2) Capitalism is attributed with some of the worst abuses in
the free world.
OMG, how irrational....
:toady:

TheCount
01-07-2019, 06:11 AM
More 'replace free with fair' nonsense.

Warlord
01-07-2019, 06:12 AM
More 'replace free with fair' nonsense.


Fraid not Count, if you saw the segment i originally posted about you would be praising Tucker too. He had a colnel on who was basically antiwar

shakey1
01-07-2019, 06:53 AM
His batting average still ain't too bad tho.

Occam's Banana
01-07-2019, 07:14 AM
:frog:
Life is contradiction, nothing in life is immune to it, because
Tucker may have missed some points of articulation, and
'qualifiers' does not in any way equate to him being an
irrational person/commentator.
A frog kicks himself in the a## every time he jumps, is
he irrational...

(Adolescent Semantics?)
lets see where you take with this one;
1) Capitalism is the most successful economic systems
in the world.
2) Capitalism is attributed with some of the worst abuses in
the free world.
OMG, how irrational....
:toady:

What does any of this have to do with what I said? :confused:

I was addressing your claim that "contradict[ions ...] aren't indicative of irrational[ity]", That is incorrect. They are.

As far as what Carlson said, you characterized it as a contradictory rant that is somehow not indicative of irrationality, not me. I haven't said anything at all about what Carlson said.

Stratovarious
01-07-2019, 08:01 AM
What does any of this have to do with what I said? :confused:

I was addressing your claim that "contradict[ions ...] aren't indicative of irrational[ity]", That is incorrect. They are.

As far as what Carlson said, you characterized it as a contradictory rant that is somehow not indicative of irrationality, not me. I haven't said anything at all about what Carlson said.

Herpes much?
So this really is about 'me' ....ok
:frog:

H_H
01-07-2019, 08:03 AM
Lol. If you think tucker is correct, there may be little help for you. That rant was a confused mess.

I await with hilarious anticipation our Neo-Reactionary future wherein Moldbug has his own cable news show, so that I can enjoy Captain USA’s reaction to *it*. Basically, his head will literally explode with confusion. You think you’ve experienced “confusing”? You think you know “rant”? Oh, my sweet summer child.

It’s gonna be a fun ride.

We can post every episode right here, to get the Captain USA reaction. To gauge what normal people are thinking. “He was here, then he was there; what the heck? A jumbled mess. What does Malcolm X have to do with the Jacobins? Is he against the Cathedral or isn’t he? What’s his stand on the Minimum Wage (or any other Really Important simple issue I can understand)? Why doesn’t he just come out and say?”

Zippyjuan’s not gonna know what to do. He’s gonna be Googling “OK, let’s see, ‘chart +color, +HNU(Human Neurological Uniformity) +GS-15 +Georgi Arbatov’ (http://internal/tab?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.unqualified-reservations.org%2F2008%2F01%2Fopen-letter-to-ron-paul-supporters-part%2F&referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ronpaulforums.com%2Fshow thread.php%3F529849-Tucker-Carlson-NOW%26p%3D6730916%26posted%3D1%23post6730916&target=_blank).... oh forget it.”

Y’all won’t have to listen to my lame jokes any more. You’ll have an unending stream of hilarity, right on tap.

H_H
01-07-2019, 08:18 AM
What does any of this have to do with what I said? :confused:

I was addressing your claim that "contradict[ions ...] aren't indicative of irrational[ity]", That is incorrect. They are.

As far as what Carlson said, you characterized it as a contradictory rant that is somehow not indicative of irrationality, not me. I haven't said anything at all about what Carlson said.

Discretion is the soul of wisdom. https://www.emojirequest.com/images/NinjaEmoji.jpg

Or is it valor?

Always good to see you pop in, Occam, and toss some peels around for unsuspecting souls to slip on. I'm sure even Wittgenstein could appreciate some good slapstick now and then.

H_H
01-07-2019, 08:53 AM
Here, let me try it myself. I think I am more than capable of injecting some "incoherent randomness" that would be right at home in a Tucker monologue like the above.

Captain USA will have NO idea what it has to do with anything. :D



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See, Juan isn't the only one who can do color charts. Bo knows Color Charts!

What does this have to do with Cheap-Chinese Junks and Self-Driving Trunks, you ask? And I am honored you did.

A society with obese teenagers is deeply disfunctional. It has some really ugly problems under the surface that have been festering for a really long time and are going to be extremely difficult to root out. So then what does one say about a society with obese CHILDREN?

Like, this is bad, yo?

On RPF we all kinda sickened by this, yo, except without the kinda. Get an Amen?

But my bro Captain be all like, "You all cain't be like that. It's the free market, baby! Whatchoo wanna do? You're all saying you want the Gov to regulate meal size, ban big plates at restaurants, micromanage the food industry to lower calories in food, and keep reducing Big Gulp sizes, don't you all? Don't lie! I know you do!

"These big boneded peeps are just exercising their inalienable Pursuit of Happy Feels. It's their right. We've gotta defend their rights -- especially when they want to use them for unpopular, disgusting things. Whether that is screeching at people with shirts, or making yourself too blubberous to fit into any shirts manufacturable with our current technology. They're both the same thing. And we need to defend that thing. Because it's the same. And it's freedom.

"It's the principle. Lardos are just pursuing their philosophical vision for their lives, and if you wanna stop that, you're just a totalitarian. AF, Danke, Dannno,... everyone who's ever posted in a People of Walmart thread: you all are just totalitarians, trying to shove your narrow vision of narrow people who can fit through standard doors onto everyone. Because what's "standard"? What's a "door"? Hmm? Let's just let the market decide!

"Why-come can't you just trust the market?!? Support the free market!1! If that means literally supporting, with ubiquitous forklifts winching everyone from place to place, what's the problem? That's freedom, baby! Embrace the freedom. (That is, if your arms can reach around it.)"



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Liberty


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Empowerment


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Individualism


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Freedom Fighter

H_H
01-07-2019, 09:07 AM
Tucker is a huge improvement on that wingbag O'Reilly!O'Reilly was reptilian. So dishonest. So toxic. So disgusting. Sad.

H_H
01-07-2019, 09:16 AM
Klingon women are hot, no?

vaj not DuD Segh. 'ach: HIja' chaH.

H_H
01-07-2019, 09:28 AM
French is wrong. If you got rid of the elites, many of our problems would disappear as well. He's trying to 'gate-keep' again.

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I am loving David French right now. Don't hate on the French. He is doing God's work for us.

First off, just look how virtuous he is:

https://dailystormer.name/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Screen-Shot-2019-01-07-at-1.55.15-AM-618x462.png

OK, with his virtue credentials now established, check out this deliciously true quote:

"Carlson is advancing a form of victim-politics populism that takes a series of tectonic cultural changes—civil rights, women’s rights, a technological revolution as significant as the industrial revolution, the mass-scale loss of religious faith, the sexual revolution, etc.—and turns the negative or challenging aspects of those changes into an angry tale of what they are doing to you." -- Rev. David A French

What does Helmuth love this quote, you ask? Why does he want it to spread far and wide into normiedom?

The official position of everyone who is not a Neon-Nazi, Neo-Nazi, or other hateful and forbidden person, is that all these things are happening randomly for no reason. And that no one is behind them. Thus there is no one to oppose for them. "Inevitable Forces of History," as Marx would have it. Nobody to fight. Nobody to blame. And no way you can stop it. Here, have some fentanyl.

But this quote is making that claim way too explicit. Explicit assertions are poison to our society's system, which is entirely constructed of lies. Oopsies! Tactical error, Frenchie!

Make the lies too explicit, and even the normies can see they are lies.

H_H
01-07-2019, 09:36 AM
Because there are no such things as "Inevitable Forces of History". In point of fact.

H_H
01-07-2019, 10:15 AM
our society's system, which is entirely constructed of lies.

Make the lies too explicit, and even the normies can see they are lies.

Just another floodlight falling from the sky.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qGb7ooW-ZBE/WbLCNFZ6hqI/AAAAAAAABhw/OEtaBaR7_Loi8ui5VL87obo8Ycfs4dqdACLcBGAs/s1600/The-Truman-Show-5-10phcrn.jpg

A suspicion hatched.
A squint.
A match.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49mPHKuhcC4

AuH20
01-07-2019, 12:03 PM
Pseudo capitalism accompanied with vast monetary debasement destroys society. I think Tucker may be working his way to this conclusion.

AuH20
01-07-2019, 12:11 PM
Because there are no such things as "Inevitable Forces of History". In point of fact.

That's what the progressives preach, when their handiwork comes to fruition.

kahless
01-07-2019, 01:46 PM
vaj not DuD Segh. 'ach: HIja' chaH.

ghot'e' tlhIngan immigration Hub'eghtaHvIS breeding Human je 'ej neH Human genocide.

Swordsmyth
01-07-2019, 03:28 PM
More 'replace free with fair' nonsense.
There is no "free".
Not when it comes to international trade.

ThePaleoLibertarian
01-07-2019, 03:41 PM
French is wrong. If you got rid of the elites, many of our problems would disappear as well. He's trying to 'gate-keep' again.

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No, they wouldn't since you have to replace the elites with someone or some group of people. A society without elites is a leftist utopian pipe dream. There is simply no one on the dissident right who is capable. The mantra of "become worthy, then lead" is a good one, but I see very little of that happening. The leader figures who have emerged are totally ineffectual fools.

ThePaleoLibertarian
01-07-2019, 03:45 PM
Tucker is interesting and right about much, but he's incorrect about the teleology of technology. Nick Land is far closer to the truth of technology, the market and the macro-intelligence of both than Tucker Carlson is. Luddites are paper tigers.

H_H
01-07-2019, 09:38 PM
No, they wouldn't since you have to replace the elites with someone or some group of people. A society without elites is a leftist utopian pipe dream. Exactly, exactly, exactly, exactly.

Exactly.




There is simply no one on the dissident right who is capable. Ahh. There is one.

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One who could unite them. One with an army of literally millions. All male. All normal and not freaks. And all with some shooting training (albeit simulated). With them, he could reclaim the Throne of Gondor.

We are all loyal to the Rightful Lord and King of the Internet. We but await his word: Go forth, and slay.

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r3volution 3.0
01-07-2019, 09:44 PM
In tonight's episode, Fucker had a delightful piece on how reefer madness is real (actual phrasing).

Apparently, the recent turn away from caging people for drug use shows that government doesn't care about the people (actual phrasing).

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b7/1b/da/b71bda770aaa96679b631013372875ce.jpg

Smash those demon bongs Mz. Carlson.

H_H
01-07-2019, 10:20 PM
ghot'e' tlhIngan immigration Hub'eghtaHvIS breeding Human je 'ej neH Human genocide.

HISlaH! majQa'.


nIv, Human not ngeH.

muqtovor.

nga'chuq pe'vIl.

chaq 'op QaQ nuv.

chaH naDevvo' peghoS.

H_H
01-07-2019, 10:21 PM
Smash those demon bongs

Are you, yourself, a marijuana addict, 3.P.O?

dannno
01-07-2019, 10:29 PM
Are you, yourself, a marijuana addict, 3.P.O?

Addict?

Was that supposed to be connoisseur but it was auto corrected?

H_H
01-07-2019, 10:31 PM
Let's break down 3.P.O.'s logic for him.

'Cause he ain't gonna do it.

1. Democracy is a stupid and horrible system, because
2. The masses are stupid and easily manipulated by the elite via cultural propaganda, thus:
3. All our problems are the masses' fault and not at all the fault of the elite in any way. Oh, and also
4. Culture doesn't matter at all and is something only stupid people would think about.

Oh, and it's very important that the masses be encouraged to be high all the time. That's not in the logical chain; that's just a-priori given.

Hmm. Something fishy seemed to happen between 2. and 3. there. Does it seem to anyone else to have a bit of a... "break," there? To not exactly.... "follow"? Hmm.

nikcers
01-07-2019, 10:35 PM
Prohibition works, we just didn't spend enough money on the drug war

nikcers
01-07-2019, 10:40 PM
Being a news anchor raises your IQ points and makes you saner. You can't prove it doesn't because you aren't a news anchor though.

nikcers
01-07-2019, 10:46 PM
I was on an airplane once and a woman was having a heart attack and the flight attendant came on and asked if there was a news anchor who could help them and there was none so the woman died.

kahless
01-07-2019, 11:31 PM
HISlaH! majQa'.


nIv, Human not ngeH.

muqtovor.

nga'chuq pe'vIl.

chaq 'op QaQ nuv.

chaH naDevvo' peghoS.

vIHtaHbogh roghvaH Sung nuq? 'IH Daq yIn yIn je pep vemmoH wa' jaj qorDu' 'ej nov juHchaj chaH lach'eghDI' jotmoH, Hol nov cultural 'ej unable?

H_H
01-07-2019, 11:32 PM
Addict?

Was that supposed to be connoisseur but it was auto corrected?

I accept that it is theoretically possible to get high off marijuana only occasionally and not habitually.

It simply seems to be the more common pattern to be high all the time. That just seems to be -- by far -- what people do. To use it endemically, as a lifestyle, not recreationally, like a wine-taster.

So, maybe all the science shows that marijuana is not at all addictive. That's what I've heard. It's probably true. The science probably also shows that Facebook and Angry Birds and Candy Crush are not addictive.

I just kind of have to believe my own eyes. That's just me. Very little deference to authority.

H_H
01-07-2019, 11:34 PM
I was on an airplane once and a woman was having a heart attack and the flight attendant came on and asked if there was a news anchor who could help them and there was none so the woman died.

And was it really a loss?

dannno
01-07-2019, 11:35 PM
I accept that it is theoretically possible to get high off marijuana only occasionally and not habitually.

It simply seems to be the more common pattern to be high all the time. That just seems to be -- by far -- what people do. To use it endemically, as a lifestyle, not recreationally, like a wine-taster.

So, maybe all the science shows that marijuana is not at all addictive. That's what I've heard. It's probably true. The science probably also shows that Facebook and Angry Birds and Candy Crush are not addictive.

I just kind of have to believe my own eyes. That's just me. Very little deference to authority.

Plenty of connoisseurs like to toke all the time.

nikcers
01-07-2019, 11:36 PM
I accept that it is theoretically possible to get high off marijuana only occasionally and not habitually.

It simply seems to be the more common pattern to be high all the time. That just seems to be -- by far -- what people do. To use it endemically, as a lifestyle, not recreationally, like a wine-taster.

So, maybe all the science shows that marijuana is not at all addictive. That's what I've heard. It's probably true. The science probably also shows that Facebook and Angry Birds and Candy Crush are not addictive.

I just kind of have to believe my own eyes. That's just me. Very little deference to authority.

Angry birds helped my dad keep food down when he was on chemo therapy, its strong shit.

Swordsmyth
01-07-2019, 11:37 PM
I accept that it is theoretically possible to get high off marijuana only occasionally and not habitually.

It simply seems to be the more common pattern to be high all the time. That just seems to be -- by far -- what people do. To use it endemically, as a lifestyle, not recreationally, like a wine-taster.

So, maybe all the science shows that marijuana is not at all addictive. That's what I've heard. It's probably true. The science probably also shows that Facebook and Angry Birds and Candy Crush are not addictive.

I just kind of have to believe my own eyes. That's just me. Very little deference to authority.
There is biological addiction and psychological addiction.

Then there are also just things that people like so much that they do them all the time.

Swordsmyth
01-07-2019, 11:38 PM
Angry birds helped my dad keep food down when he was on chemo therapy, its strong $#@!.
All habitual users are fighting cancer?

nikcers
01-07-2019, 11:39 PM
All habitual users are fighting cancer?

no just the hardcore ones

H_H
01-07-2019, 11:47 PM
Plenty of connoisseurs like to toke all the time.

Yeah, well that looks like the behavior of an addict to me. Like I say, I have to just believe my eyes and call it how I see it. Maybe they're not addicted.

It's the difference between a wine-taster and a drunk. I mean, there is a difference. We all accept that, right?

It is possible to ingest alcohol only occasionally and recreationally. And I see that as the healthier and superior behavioral course to take. It is possible, obviously, to ingest THC only occasionally. And I would see that as the healthier and superior behavioral course to take. That's the healthier relationship to have with a drug, if you are going to have such a relationship. Both alcohol and marijuana are mind-inhibiting drugs. They both have at least one deleterious consequence in that regard. I think you will differ with me on that, but, again, I have to trust my eyes. Being high on marijuana really does seem, to me, to make the high person... not in their sharpest and keenest frame of mind. And... I'm pretty sure it seems that way to everyone. Including the high. See every stoner movie ever. Exaggerations, obviously, but... that's kind of how stoners act when stoned.

H_H
01-07-2019, 11:50 PM
And it is sad. Just as Tucker said. I find it sad, especially in the young. I find it a waste of their potential.

H_H
01-07-2019, 11:52 PM
Angry birds helped my dad keep food down when he was on chemo therapy, its strong $#@!. !!!

:D

nikcers! You made a funny!

I like!

nikcers
01-07-2019, 11:59 PM
!!!

:D

nikcers! You made a funny!

I like!

I tried angry birds once but couldn't stop myself, had to take the battery out of my phone and hide the chargers.

dannno
01-08-2019, 12:06 AM
Yeah, well that looks like the behavior of an addict to me. Like I say, I have to just believe my eyes and call it how I see it. Maybe they're not addicted.

It's the difference between a wine-taster and a drunk. I mean, there is a difference. We all accept that, right?

There's also a difference between having a scotch in the evening and drinking a bottle of vodka in the evening..

I don't think drinking all day is healthy. I think having a drink in the evening is healthy, and the science agrees.

I also think there is nothing wrong with toking in the morning and off and on throughout the day, if cannabis is something that helps you focus and be motivated and interested.




It is possible to ingest alcohol only occasionally and recreationally. And I see that as the healthier and superior behavioral course to take. It is possible, obviously, to ingest THC only occasionally. And I would see that as the healthier and superior behavioral course to take. That's the healthier relationship to have with a drug, if you are going to have such a relationship. Both alcohol and marijuana are mind-inhibiting drugs. They both have at least one deleterious consequence in that regard. I think you will differ with me on that, but, again, I have to trust my eyes. Being high on marijuana really does seem, to me, to make the high person... not in their sharpest and keenest frame of mind. And... I'm pretty sure it seems that way to everyone. Including the high. See every stoner movie ever. Exaggerations, obviously, but... that's kind of how stoners act when stoned.

Alcohol is a mind inhibiting drug, in moderate to larger doses it can kill brain cells. It also helps people become more social sometimes so it can stimulate positive interactions. But it is also known to stimulate and escalate many negative interactions. The worst of people comes out on alcohol, not cannabis.

Cannabis helps regenerate brain cells. Cannabis helps some people focus and be more motivated. THC has a narcotic effect in moderate to large doses, but plenty of people are able to titrate their dose properly and function when they need to and relax more when they want to. What most people are 'addicted' to is the CBDs, which help a host of medical problems and conditions that are very common. People don't even know that's why they feel better, they think it's just because they are high. They can get similar benefits from just using CBDs and not even getting high, but there is nothing wrong with a low dose of mellowing THC whenever if you dig it.

People like to portray stoners as slow and dumb for comedic effect, but plenty of brilliant people use cannabis. The most brilliant musicians, and some of the most brilliant people otherwise are able to have an occasional or more consistent relationship with the plant. So the person who is stoned may seem slow to you, but it is more likely that they are processing information from their various senses at a higher rate and need to process more - but also are considering a swath of different options that they normally would not in a sober state, allowing the mind to be more nimble and innovative. Some people, like Joe Rogan use it on occasion as a tool to help their mind think about things differently so they can gain new perspectives more easily and challenge their existing beliefs more intensely.

dannno
01-08-2019, 12:22 AM
And it is sad. Just as Tucker said. I find it sad, especially in the young. I find it a waste of their potential.

What's sad has nothing to do with their use of cannabis.. in fact, if they chose cannabis, the parents can consider themselves lucky for winning the lottery of drugs... cause that 'drug' is not going to harm their kids like they would if they were addicted to alcohol, meth, cocaine or heroin.

What is sad is their withdrawal from their family, their poor relationship with the public education system - or any educational system that inflicts abuse on the students..

Why did that happen?

Kids who are happy and well adjusted don't have issues using cannabis.. if they use, they use it and it's not an issue. It's the depressed kid who is having problems who turns to drugs, now suddenly it's all the drug's fault.. sheeesh.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp4pEP3X_NY