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enhanced_deficit
12-31-2018, 03:07 PM
At the time MAGA meant what he said "we are leaving Syria now" but such big decisions may have to be reevaluated after call from Israeli PM and other funders/influencers inside US who may have better understanding of threats Iran poses to our closest allies in the region.
That said, this is WaPo, so may need to wait for second opinion on this alleged reversal/flip flop of sorts by leadership of GOP-Adelson:

Syria withdrawal has been paused

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G65BqqgsDQo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G65BqqgsDQo

Israeli official: Trump agreed to Netanyahu request to stagger Syria exit
Itamar Eichner, AgenciesPublished: 12.31.18

http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/kuer/files/styles/medium/public/201805/screen_shot_2018-05-14_at_1.05.50_pm.png
Senator Graham , second from left, in Israel with like minded Senators and Senior White House advisors


Lindsey Graham’s description of Trump’s Syria withdrawal plan sounds suspiciously like a plan to stay in Syria

By Adam Taylor
December 31 at 11:23 AM
Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) has become one of President Trump’s key allies on Capitol Hill. However, the famously hawkish politician was publicly dismayed this month when Trump announced he would pull U.S. troops out of Syria.
After the announcement, Graham issued a statement (https://thehill.com/policy/defense/422063-lindsey-graham-obama-like-mistake-for-trump-to-withdraw-troops-from-syria) that denounced the decision as “an Obama-like mistake made by the Trump Administration.”
But this weekend, the senator had a change of heart after a meeting at the White House, later telling reporters (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/after-lunch-with-trump-lindsey-graham-shifts-course-on-syria-i-think-the-presidents-taking-this-really-seriously/2018/12/30/3b889f98-0c76-11e9-8938-5898adc28fa2_story.html?utm_term=.9cdec0ca0b37) the president “told me some things I didn’t know that made me feel a lot better about where we’re headed in Syria.”
What explains Graham’s newfound optimism about Trump’s plan to leave Syria?
Well, there is one big but rather confusing reason. In Graham’s retelling, Trump’s plan to leave Syria sounds suspiciously like a plan to stay in Syria — one that could be extended indefinitely, too. Speaking to reporters Sunday, Graham described Trump’s Syria plan as a “pause situation” rather than a withdrawal.
The senator went into more detail in some tweets Sunday evening:
The President will make sure any withdrawal from Syria will be done in a fashion to ensure:

1) ISIS is permanently destroyed.

2) Iran doesn’t fill in the back end, and

3) our Kurdish allies are protected.
— Lindsey Graham (@LindseyGrahamSC) December 30, 2018 (https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1079514943152631808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

Considering these three elements, a full withdrawal would not be possible in the immediate future.
Trump has previously suggested the Islamic State militant group, also known as ISIS, has been defeated — which is why he feels comfortable pulling U.S. troops out of Syria. “We have defeated ISIS in Syria, my only reason for being there during the Trump Presidency,” he tweeted Dec. 19.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2018/12/31/lindsey-grahams-description-trumps-syria-withdrawal-plan-sounds-suspiciously-like-plan-stay-syria/


Also, despite Gen Clark's comments, any nefarious foreign lobbies/ groups are very unlikely to use any tactics to initimidate or pressure MAGA using such tactics as may have been used to pressure other politicians with aim to influence US foreign policy in the past.




Publisher of the ‘Atlanta Jewish Times’ suggests Mossad should assassinate Obama (http://mondoweiss.net/2012/01/publisher-of-the-atlanta-jewish-times-suggests-mossad-should-assassinate-obama.html)
Adam Horowitz on January 20, 2012
John Cook reports at Gawker (http://gawker.com/5877892/): Andrew Adler, the owner and publisher of the Atlanta Jewish Times, a weekly newspaper serving Atlanta’s Jewish community, devoted his January 13, 2012 column to the thorny problem of the U.S. and Israel’s diverging views on the threat posed by Iran. Basically Israel has three options, he wrote: Strike Hezbollah and Hamas, strike Iran, or “order a hit” on Barack Obama (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/284979-ajt.html). Either way, problem solved!
Here’s how Adler laid out “option three” in his list of scenarios facing Israeli president Benjamin Netanyahu (the column, which was forwarded to us by a tipster, isn’t online, but you can read a copy here (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/284979-ajt.html)):
Three, give the go-ahead for U.S.-based Mossad agents to take out a president deemed unfriendly to Israel in order for the current vice president to take his place, and forcefully dictate that the United States’ policy includes its helping the Jewish state obliterate its enemies.
Yes, you read “three” correctly. Order a hit on a president in order to preserve Israel’s existence. Think about it. If I have thought of this Tom Clancy-type scenario, don’t you think that this almost unfathomable idea has been discussed in Israel’s most inner circles?
Another way of putting “three” in perspective goes something like this: How far would you go to save a nation comprised of seven million lives…Jews, Christians and Arabs alike?
You have got to believe, like I do, that all options are on the table.




Related

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/22/11/4373253900000578-4811382-Donald_Trump_was_deeply_skeptical_of_the_war_in_Af ghanistan_in_t-a-62_1503396741514.jpg






Wesley Clark on Trump’s Syria withdrawal: ‘Did Erdogan blackmail the president?'
By Michael Burke - 12/24/18
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/422717-wesley-clark-on-trumps-syria-withdrawal-did-erdogan-blackmail-the-president


Considering MAGA's fealess personality, Scaramucci's assessment seems more credible that Gen Clark's.

Loyal Trump supporter Scaramucci says Trump is "not blackmailable" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?522595-A-shadowy-Israeli-firm-is-accused-of-trying-to-undermine-the-Iran-deal&p=6633643&viewfull=1#post6633643)

RonZeplin
12-31-2018, 03:19 PM
If he flip-flopped once, he could possibly flip back to his original plan to withdraw the troops. MIGA to MAGA?

Or not.

enhanced_deficit
12-31-2018, 03:26 PM
I'm not opposed to being nimble and listening to others when making big decsions... but in the end an image of decisive leadership will need to be created to project strong leadership. And the order of discussions should be carefully planned so that that last party to be listened to are America-First folks.

Origanalist
12-31-2018, 04:03 PM
If he flip-flopped once, he could possibly flip back to his original plan to withdraw the troops. MIGA to MAGA?

Or not.

He either will or he won't. Words have already been said, does he follow through or does he equivocate? This one is too important to fuck around with and look like a clown.

TheCount
01-01-2019, 02:49 AM
This one is too important to fuck around with and look like a clown.

Rut roh.

https://www.changingworld.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/c687aa7517cf01e65c009f6943c2b1e9/5/-/5-el3.jpg

enhanced_deficit
01-01-2019, 06:15 PM
That meme kinda crosses the line of respectful dialog about a sitting MAGA.


Unrelated

Memes can be dangerous (https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/18/health/internet-memes-obesity-intl/index.html)

r3volution 3.0
01-01-2019, 08:55 PM
Seems to me it was:

(a) an ill-thought tantrum motivated by personnel problems within the white house,

(b) not a real withdrawal of US forces from Syria (given that covert support and senseless bombing on WMD pretexts will continue),

(c) not real even as to "boots on the ground," since they're probably going back in soon enough,

and (d) just enough to rope in the dregs of the electorate.

RonZeplin
01-01-2019, 09:15 PM
https://rlv.zcache.com/visualize_whirled_peas_bumper_sticker-r9d6e4e81b1164bdc80707ffecae1cec0_v9wht_8byvr_540. jpg

Swordsmyth
01-01-2019, 09:17 PM
Earlier, Trump went to Twitter to defend his decision to withdraw American troops from Syria, accusing his critics of hypocrisy. He noted that any other US president would have been applauded for such a decision.
The New York Times has cited two unnamed US administration officials as saying that President Donald Trump will give the Pentagon about four months to withdraw American troops from Syria.
The officials referred to the US president’s meeting with Lt. Gen. Paul J. LaCamera, head of the Combined Joint Task Force fighting Daesh* in the region, during which Trump said that the troops could have several months to ensure a “succinct departure”.
Pentagon spokesman Sean Robertson, in turn, was quoted by the New York Times as saying that “I’ll let the president’s words speak for themselves.”


More at: https://www.infowars.com/trump-gives...ticism-report/ (https://www.infowars.com/trump-gives-us-troops-four-months-to-leave-syria-amid-criticism-report/)

enhanced_deficit
01-02-2019, 11:18 PM
Trump cedes Syria to Iran: 'They can do what they want there, frankly' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529852-Trump-cedes-Syria-to-Iran-They-can-do-what-they-want-there-frankly)

UWDude
01-03-2019, 02:33 AM
enhanced_deficit and his misleading headlines and statements.

A David Icke-tard.

Lizard people, bro, lizard people.

pcosmar
01-03-2019, 11:43 AM
enhanced_deficit and his misleading headlines and statements.

A David Icke-tard.

Lizard people, bro, lizard people.

A pretty Pointless personal attack,,considering we are still in Syria with no sign of movement..

I was hoping the Clown in Chief would do something right.. even by accident.
BUT we are in fact still supporting Syrian Rebels and ISIS assets.

Origanalist
01-03-2019, 05:14 PM
Has Trump Been Outmaneuvered on Syria Troop Withdrawal?

Trump’s possible backtracking on withdrawal from Syria means he may have been once again outmaneuvered by the Deep State, says Virginia State Senator Dick Black.

By Senator Dick Black
Virginia State Senate, 13th District

The mainstream media refuses to acknowledge that the hardest fighting against ISIS and al Qaeda has been done by Syria and its allies. Indeed, we label Iran’s fight against Syrian terrorists as “malign activity,” ignoring the fact that al Qaeda in Syria [al Nusra] is the progeny of the al Qaeda force that highjacked jets and flew them into the Twin Towers and Pentagon, killing 3,000 Americans on 9-11.

Pulitzer Prize-winning author, Seymour Hersh, wrote that a Defense Intelligence Agency review of Syrian policy in 2013 revealed that clandestine CIA Program Timber Sycamore, had degenerated into a program that armed all terrorists indiscriminately, specifically including ISIS and al Qaeda. I seriously doubt that this was merely a program failure. There is strong evidence that the U.S. planned to overthrow Syria in 2001; the U.S. Embassy in Damascus issued a detailed strategy to destabilize Syria in 2006–long before the so-called “Arab Spring;” and that our focus has consistently been on toppling the duly elected, constitutional and UN-recognized government of Syria.

It’s sickening to hear these clowns repeatedly claim that “Assad murdered 500,000 of his people,” as though the U.S.-backed terrorists have played no role in the killings. I’ve viewed hundreds of beheadings and crucifixions online but none committed by Syria troops–all were proudly posted by the hellish filth that we’ve recruited, armed and trained for the past eight years. Major war crimes, like beheading 250 Syrian soldiers after running them across the desert in their underpants, were scarcely mentioned by the MSM.

During a five-hour drive across liberated Syria this September, I spoke with many people, from desert shepherds, to nuns and Muslim religious. There were palpable expressions of joy that the Syrian armed forces had liberated them from the terrorists. That was coupled with broad-based, unequivocal support for President Bashar al Assad and the Syrian Armed Forces.

This disastrous war would never have occurred without American planning and execution. And it would have ended years and hundreds of thousands of casualties ago had we closed our training and logistics bases in Jordan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. The Syrian War had little to do with the “Arab Spring” and much to do with clandestine actions of CIA, MI-6, Mossad, Turkish MIT, French DGSE, Saudi GID and others, working with the savage Syrian Muslim Brotherhood. We trained and recruited far more terrorists than we killed, and we will encounter those survivors again, at other times and places.

It is instructive that, despite President Donald Trump’s strong directive on a rapid Syrian pull-out, apparently not one soldier or Marine has departed Syria. And the argument that they’re tied up with fighting ISIS doesn’t hold water. On Syria’s southern border, across from Jordan, lies the U.S. base at al Tanf. ISIS is nowhere around. Al Tanf’s sole purpose is to hold and defend the sovereign territory of Syria (using a 55 km no-fly zone). It denies Syria the right to restore order and provide aid to starving Syrians trapped in the American zone.

Al Tanf is the canary in the Syrian coal mine. If Trump’s pullout has any credibility, the 800 or so troops and equipment assigned there could be withdrawn across the Jordanian border within 24 hours. Their failure to do so suggests duplicity by our foreign policy shadow government. The Pentagon seems unresponsive to the Commander-in-Chief, and he has surrounded himself with advisors whose allegiance does not lie with him–or with the American people.

Republican Senator Richard H. Black represents the 13th district of Virginia, encompassing parts of both Loudoun and Prince Williams Counties in northern Virginia.

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/01/03/has-trump-been-outmaneuvered-on-syria-troop-withdrawal/

UWDude
01-03-2019, 08:44 PM
we are still in Syria with no sign of movement..


For one, there has already been movement.
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529421-WSJ-U-S-Military-Preparing-for-a-Full-Withdrawal-of-Its-Forces-From-Northeastern-Syria/page6

For two, Iran, Turkey, and Russia are moving, and making gestures, having meetings, etc.

You people always talk out your ass. You never actually know what is going on, and just make broad assumptions.
Just like stupid poopyfaced puppy The Count, and his claim "nothing is happening in Korea"
You two using the logic of, "well I'm ignorant, so I am right"

I've been following this civil war every fucking day for years.

Now that trump announces a move, you all talk like you are experts.

GoldenEquity has been posting about the war here every day, with incredibly detailed analysis.

So stop acting like you have a god damned clue.

And Enhanced_Deficit is an Icketard.
Lizard people David Icke.

posting his "rumors" and straight out lies every day with his mealy-mouthed, very unfunny tongue in cheek bullshit.

Everybody in the area under control of, and around, the SDF are acting as if Trump is actually withdrawing from Syria....

..but the trump-haters of RPF always seem to know better.

AuH20
01-03-2019, 08:48 PM
Has Trump Been Outmaneuvered on Syria Troop Withdrawal?

Trump’s possible backtracking on withdrawal from Syria means he may have been once again outmaneuvered by the Deep State, says Virginia State Senator Dick Black.

By Senator Dick Black
Virginia State Senate, 13th District

The mainstream media refuses to acknowledge that the hardest fighting against ISIS and al Qaeda has been done by Syria and its allies. Indeed, we label Iran’s fight against Syrian terrorists as “malign activity,” ignoring the fact that al Qaeda in Syria [al Nusra] is the progeny of the al Qaeda force that highjacked jets and flew them into the Twin Towers and Pentagon, killing 3,000 Americans on 9-11.

Pulitzer Prize-winning author, Seymour Hersh, wrote that a Defense Intelligence Agency review of Syrian policy in 2013 revealed that clandestine CIA Program Timber Sycamore, had degenerated into a program that armed all terrorists indiscriminately, specifically including ISIS and al Qaeda. I seriously doubt that this was merely a program failure. There is strong evidence that the U.S. planned to overthrow Syria in 2001; the U.S. Embassy in Damascus issued a detailed strategy to destabilize Syria in 2006–long before the so-called “Arab Spring;” and that our focus has consistently been on toppling the duly elected, constitutional and UN-recognized government of Syria.

It’s sickening to hear these clowns repeatedly claim that “Assad murdered 500,000 of his people,” as though the U.S.-backed terrorists have played no role in the killings. I’ve viewed hundreds of beheadings and crucifixions online but none committed by Syria troops–all were proudly posted by the hellish filth that we’ve recruited, armed and trained for the past eight years. Major war crimes, like beheading 250 Syrian soldiers after running them across the desert in their underpants, were scarcely mentioned by the MSM.

During a five-hour drive across liberated Syria this September, I spoke with many people, from desert shepherds, to nuns and Muslim religious. There were palpable expressions of joy that the Syrian armed forces had liberated them from the terrorists. That was coupled with broad-based, unequivocal support for President Bashar al Assad and the Syrian Armed Forces.

This disastrous war would never have occurred without American planning and execution. And it would have ended years and hundreds of thousands of casualties ago had we closed our training and logistics bases in Jordan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. The Syrian War had little to do with the “Arab Spring” and much to do with clandestine actions of CIA, MI-6, Mossad, Turkish MIT, French DGSE, Saudi GID and others, working with the savage Syrian Muslim Brotherhood. We trained and recruited far more terrorists than we killed, and we will encounter those survivors again, at other times and places.

It is instructive that, despite President Donald Trump’s strong directive on a rapid Syrian pull-out, apparently not one soldier or Marine has departed Syria. And the argument that they’re tied up with fighting ISIS doesn’t hold water. On Syria’s southern border, across from Jordan, lies the U.S. base at al Tanf. ISIS is nowhere around. Al Tanf’s sole purpose is to hold and defend the sovereign territory of Syria (using a 55 km no-fly zone). It denies Syria the right to restore order and provide aid to starving Syrians trapped in the American zone.

Al Tanf is the canary in the Syrian coal mine. If Trump’s pullout has any credibility, the 800 or so troops and equipment assigned there could be withdrawn across the Jordanian border within 24 hours. Their failure to do so suggests duplicity by our foreign policy shadow government. The Pentagon seems unresponsive to the Commander-in-Chief, and he has surrounded himself with advisors whose allegiance does not lie with him–or with the American people.

Republican Senator Richard H. Black represents the 13th district of Virginia, encompassing parts of both Loudoun and Prince Williams Counties in northern Virginia.

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/01/03/has-trump-been-outmaneuvered-on-syria-troop-withdrawal/

That sounds plausible. He's dealing with an empire that does what it wants, when it wants. His only real weapon is public shame, and he's reluctant to pull out that measure. Spooks don't like sunlight.

TheCount
01-03-2019, 08:51 PM
For one, there has already been movement.

How's that, uh, North Korea thing going?

UWDude
01-03-2019, 08:54 PM
How's that, uh, North Korea thing going?

LoL


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529858-Trump-expects-second-Kim-meeting-in-not-too-distant-future&p=6729075&viewfull=1#post6729075


Just love getting your face rubbed in it, don't you, puppy?

Swordsmyth
01-03-2019, 08:57 PM
For one, there has already been movement.
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529421-WSJ-U-S-Military-Preparing-for-a-Full-Withdrawal-of-Its-Forces-From-Northeastern-Syria/page6

For two, Iran, Turkey, and Russia are moving, and making gestures, having meetings, etc.

You people always talk out your ass. You never actually know what is going on, and just make broad assumptions.
Just like stupid poopyfaced puppy The Count, and his claim "nothing is happening in Korea"
You two using the logic of, "well I'm ignorant, so I am right"

I've been following this civil war every $#@!ing day for years.

Now that trump announces a move, you all talk like you are experts.

GoldenEquity has been posting about the war here every day, with incredibly detailed analysis.

So stop acting like you have a god damned clue.

And Enhanced_Deficit is an Icketard.
Lizard people David Icke.

posting his "rumors" and straight out lies every day with his mealy-mouthed, very unfunny tongue in cheek bull$#@!.

Everybody in the area under control of, and around, the SDF are acting as if Trump is actually withdrawing from Syria....

..but the trump-haters of RPF always seem to know better.
BBBBut it didn't happen overnight.:rolleyes:

UWDude
01-03-2019, 08:58 PM
we are still in Syria with no sign of movement..


LoL Mattis resigned. I guess you know better than Mattis what the orders are.


You people are dense.

Your predictions of doom and gloom are always wrong.

Swordsmyth
01-03-2019, 09:00 PM
LoL Mattis resigned. I guess you know better than Mattis what the orders are.


You people are dense.

Your predictions of doom and gloom are always wrong.

Trump cedes Syria to Iran: 'They can do what they want there, frankly' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529852-Trump-cedes-Syria-to-Iran-They-can-do-what-they-want-there-frankly)

pcosmar
01-03-2019, 09:23 PM
I've been following this civil war every $#@!ing day for years.



Civil War?

well ,, I think that explains it.

UWDude
01-03-2019, 09:26 PM
Civil War?


Yeah.

The Syrian Civil War.

Ever hear of it?

pcosmar
01-03-2019, 09:27 PM
..but the trump-haters of RPF always seem to know better.

Ron's Supporters seemed to recognize Trump for what he is.
And Ron keeps getting proven right,, even about Trump.

UWDude
01-03-2019, 09:29 PM
Ron's Supporters seemed to recognize Trump for what he is.
And Ron keeps getting proven right,, even about Trump.

You mean like his son, Rand?

Rand seems to like Trump quite a lot now.

pcosmar
01-03-2019, 09:30 PM
Yeah.

The Syrian Civil War.

Ever hear of it?

Regime Change.. Orchestrated Overthrow.

DUDE,, I have read the PHUCKIN' MANUAL.

UWDude
01-03-2019, 09:31 PM
Regime Change.. Orchestrated Overthrow.

DUDE,, I have read the PHUCKIN' MANUAL.

It's still a civil war.

AuH20
01-03-2019, 09:31 PM
You mean like his son, Rand?

Rand seems to like Trump quite a lot now.

Trump was the right choice as flawed as he is. Even Rand's statements confirm this. We chose right for once.

pcosmar
01-03-2019, 09:32 PM
You mean like his son, Rand?

Rand seems to like Trump quite a lot now.

Likes Israel Too Much Too.

UWDude
01-03-2019, 09:32 PM
You mean like his son, Rand?

Rand seems to like Trump quite a lot now.

1080482589176152065

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1080482589176152065

Like other Big Government Republicans who never liked Reagan, Mitt Romney wants to signal how virtuous he is in comparison to the President. Well, I’m most concerned and pleased with the actual conservative reform agenda realDonaldTrump has achieved.

pcosmar
01-03-2019, 09:34 PM
It's still a civil war.

Nothing Civil About it.

and it has all been instigated and pushed by outside forces..that is not a Civil War..
it is war by proxy.

Swordsmyth
01-03-2019, 09:34 PM
Likes Israel Too Much Too.

That must explain this:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/icons/icon14.png In Historic Move, Sen. Rand Paul Places Hold on $38 Billion to Israel
:rolleyes: (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528706-In-Historic-Move-Sen-Rand-Paul-Places-Hold-on-38-Billion-to-Israel)

AuH20
01-03-2019, 09:34 PM
Likes Israel Too Much Too.

Yes, Rand who's holding up their funding?

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/30/rand-paul-israel-military-aid-congress-senate-1036943

Same guy?

pcosmar
01-03-2019, 09:34 PM
1080482589176152065

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1080482589176152065

Like other Big Government Republicans who never liked Reagan, Mitt Romney wants to signal how virtuous he is in comparison to the President. Well, I’m most concerned and pleased with the actual conservative reform agenda realDonaldTrump has achieved.

did you cry when daddy Bush died?

Swordsmyth
01-03-2019, 09:35 PM
Nothing Civil About it.

and it has all been instigated and pushed by outside forces..that is not a Civil War..
it is war by proxy.
And your whole quibble over the label is irrelevant.

UWDude
01-03-2019, 09:36 PM
Likes Israel Too Much Too.

I get it, the forum haters are the only true Ron supporters now.

Even his own son is no longer a Ron Paul supporter.

LoL

AuH20
01-03-2019, 09:37 PM
Trump will never quote Mises or cite the non-agression principle. But his ascension changed the entire battlefield. Use the valuable time he gave us.

pcosmar
01-03-2019, 09:37 PM
Yes, Rand who's holding up their funding?

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/30/rand-paul-israel-military-aid-congress-senate-1036943

Same guy?

Same Guy that pushed Funding of The Iron Dome Hoax . just playing the game.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

pcosmar
01-03-2019, 09:40 PM
I get it, the forum haters are the only true Ron supporters now.

Even his own son is no longer a Ron Paul supporter.

LoL

Rand is not Ron, Not even close..

and he lost my support with his Police Drone Support. before He spent Millions on a Propaganda Hoax for a Foreign Nation that is a continual thorn in our side..

UWDude
01-03-2019, 09:41 PM
Nothing Civil About it.

and it has all been instigated and pushed by outside forces..that is not a Civil War..
it is war by proxy.

Whatever dude.
It's a civil war and it's a war by proxy. You can stop wasting time on semantics now.

UWDude
01-03-2019, 09:42 PM
and he lost my support with his Police Drone Support.

Typical idealistiot.

pcosmar
01-03-2019, 09:44 PM
Whatever dude.
It's a civil war and it's a war by proxy. You can stop wasting time on semantics now.

And we have no business funding any part of it,, and yet we instigated it.

pcosmar
01-03-2019, 09:46 PM
Typical idealistiot.

Damn Right


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30E5P12DVEk

UWDude
01-03-2019, 09:48 PM
Damn Right


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30E5P12DVEk

Don't change the subject, idealistiot, please tell me more of why you no longer support Rand Paul.

Swordsmyth
01-03-2019, 09:49 PM
Rand is not Ron, Not even close..

and he lost my support with his Police Drone Support. before He spent Millions on a Propaganda Hoax for a Foreign Nation that is a continual thorn in our side..
Go ahead and reject the best politician we have who actually gets things done just because he plays politics with things he can't change some times, that's a recipe for losing forever.

That is what makes the difference between a libertarian and a losertarian.

AuH20
01-03-2019, 09:51 PM
Go ahead and reject the best politician we have who actually gets things done just because he plays politics with things he can't change some times, that's a recipe for losing forever.

That is what makes the difference between a libertarian and a losertarian.

He's allowed to reject him on principled grounds. But I scoff at the notion that Trump is the enemy.

pcosmar
01-03-2019, 09:55 PM
Don't change the subject, idealistiot, please tell me more of why you no longer support Rand Paul.

# 1. I am not in his district.
#2 He has shown support for things I oppose.. Does not represent me.
#3. apparent support for Trump.. who does not represent me.

There are three good valid reasons..

UWDude
01-03-2019, 09:56 PM
He's allowed to reject him on principled grounds. But I scoff at the notion that Trump is the enemy.

PCosmar said he no longer supports Rand Paul.

Swordsmyth
01-03-2019, 09:56 PM
He's allowed to reject him on principled grounds. But I scoff at the notion that Trump is the enemy.
He's allowed to reject him on any grounds he likes but it is still a recipe for losing forever.

UWDude
01-03-2019, 09:59 PM
# 1. I am not in his district.


You said you "no longer" support Rand Paul. Does that mean you once lived in Kentucky?

AuH20
01-03-2019, 09:59 PM
He's allowed to reject him on any grounds he likes but it is still a recipe for losing forever.

Eh. As long as they don't physically campaign against the guy, they are entitled to their viewpoint. Trump is the political equivalent of finding a gold kruggerand on a sticky, dirty floor. He's the best we're going to get, but I understand why others pine for more.

pcosmar
01-03-2019, 10:07 PM
You said you "no longer" support Rand Paul. Does that mean you once lived in Kentucky?

NO,, It means that when he first came on the scene I was hopeful,, due to his dad.

He started out with an edge and blew it years ago. Perhaps he was getting Bad Advice.

I welcome it when they do anything right,,, even Democrats..

But some need to quit "Playing the Game". and do what is right..

UWDude
01-03-2019, 10:07 PM
Rand is not Ron, Not even close..



"not even close"

LoL

Now Rand Paul is "not even close" to Ron Paul.

How much does Rand have to agree with his father with, to be "close".

UWDude
01-03-2019, 10:10 PM
NO,,



Then why did you say one of the reasons was you don't live in his district?

Just so you could have three reasons, to make it look like you had a good argument? Old high school debate team tactic you thought I'd miss or something?

That along with all your stupid hyperbole and attempts to appear mature by scolding me for calling a tard a tard?

LoL

YOu know who will never, ever be close to Ron Paul?

YOU

Because unlike Rand, YOU will never win an election. Ever.

Swordsmyth
01-03-2019, 10:12 PM
"not even close"

LoL

Now Rand Paul is "not even close" to Ron Paul.

How much does Rand have to agree with his father with, to be "close".
https://www.thenewamerican.com/freedom-index


Name: Rand Paul
Senate: Kentucky, Republican
Cumulative Freedom Index Score: 94%

Name: Ron Paul
Congress: Texas, District: 14, Republican
Cumulative Freedom Index Score: 97%

UWDude
01-03-2019, 10:20 PM
But some need to quit "Playing the Game". and do what is right..

Losertarian philosophy. A great excuse for being a loser, and one of the reasons libertarianism attracts so many losers.
Now you can all sit around and bitch about the gubmint and taxes and the Fed, and pin your excuses for being failures on somebody other than your own damn selves.


Ron Paul is the one who encouraged his followers to join reform the RNC from the inside.

Take control of your life. Be a winner. You have to play the game. Death and taxes. There will always be obstacles. There will never be true freedom. Nobody even wants true freedom. Taxes and kings became a thing for a reason. Kanye and Carson were born in poverty, AND were black, in the days of real racism, look at them now.


so many losers on this board
All talk, no action. All criticism, no creation. All argument, no change. All ideas, no work.

Origanalist
01-03-2019, 11:22 PM
Nothing Civil About it.

and it has all been instigated and pushed by outside forces..that is not a Civil War..
it is war by proxy.

Out of rep

Origanalist
01-03-2019, 11:23 PM
Then why did you say one of the reasons was you don't live in his district?

Just so you could have three reasons, to make it look like you had a good argument? Old high school debate team tactic you thought I'd miss or something?

That along with all your stupid hyperbole and attempts to appear mature by scolding me for calling a tard a tard?

LoL

YOu know who will never, ever be close to Ron Paul?

YOU

Because unlike Rand, YOU will never win an election. Ever.

Off your meds again dude?

Cap
01-04-2019, 08:18 AM
Losertarian philosophy. A great excuse for being a loser, and one of the reasons libertarianism attracts so many losers.
Now you can all sit around and bitch about the gubmint and taxes and the Fed, and pin your excuses for being failures on somebody other than your own damn selves.


Ron Paul is the one who encouraged his followers to join reform the RNC from the inside.


Take control of your life. Be a winner. You have to play the game. Death and taxes. There will always be obstacles. There will never be true freedom. Nobody even wants true freedom. Taxes and kings became a thing for a reason. Kanye and Carson were born in poverty, AND were black, in the days of real racism, look at them now.


so many losers on this board
All talk, no action. All criticism, no creation. All argument, no change. All ideas, no work.

You pretty much just ensured yourself that you will never be taken seriously. You have repeatedly disparaged one of the posters in this thread. As the old saying goes, when you have to resort to insults, you have already lost the argument.

A number of your posts are clear forum guideline violations:
*Posts should not promote negativity in collectivist mindsets that view humans as members of groups rather than individuals.
*No insulting, antagonizing or personally attacking other users.
ETA: Have a nice day :D

pcosmar
01-04-2019, 10:34 AM
All ideas, no work.

tell it to the Union.

Origanalist
01-04-2019, 10:41 AM
You pretty much just ensured yourself that you will never be taken seriously. You have repeatedly disparaged one of the posters in this thread. As the old saying goes, when you have to resort to insults, you have already lost the argument.

A number of your posts are clear forum guideline violations:
*Posts should not promote negativity in collectivist mindsets that view humans as members of groups rather than individuals.
*No insulting, antagonizing or personally attacking other users.
ETA: Have a nice day :D

I think he's been listening to too much Michael Medved.

enhanced_deficit
01-05-2019, 06:21 PM
Some bureaucratic wrinkles that should be sorted out soon:

January 4, 2019

Senior State Department official:
“Despite reports to the contrary and false narratives surrounding the Syria decision, we are not going anywhere.”

In the latest ambiguous signal, a senior State Department official on Friday first told reporters the United States has no timeline for the withdrawal of troops from Syria and then said it does not plan to stay indefinitely.
Another senior State Department official, also briefing reporters before Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s trip to the Middle East next week, said one of his main messages would be that “the United States is not leaving the Middle East.”
“Despite reports to the contrary and false narratives surrounding the Syria decision, we are not going anywhere.”

However, three sources familiar with the matter said that the Trump administration is still working assiduously to contain the fallout from Trump’s troop decision.
A Pentagon adviser described the conference as part of a “damage control” effort necessitated by Trump’s abrupt decision and as designed to explain to the coalition members “that nothing has been put in place” with regard to the pullout.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-usa-conference/us-anti-islamic-state-meeting-turns-to-damage-control-after-syria-decision-idUSKCN1OY216

Origanalist
01-05-2019, 11:36 PM
US Attacks in Syria Increased After Trump’s Withdrawal Announcement

(MEMO) — Despite US President Donald Trump’s announcement that he will withdraw US troops from Syria, American strikes in the east of the country have increased.

This was revealed Thursday by an investigation conducted by Al Jazeera and The Intercept, which found that there are about 50,000 to 60,000 people stuck in eastern Syria – which is dominated by Daesh – living under these US attacks.

An activist, who refused to give his name, was reported saying: “The civilians in these areas have no place to go or hide from the US bombardment of their villages.” He added that the residents have been harmed at the hands of the Syrian government, the US and Daesh alike.

In the wake of international controversy and news that Daesh was not fully defeated in Syria, Trump declined to give a timeline for the US troops’ withdrawal from Syria, instead saying this would take place “over a period of time”. It remains unclear whether US airstrikes will continue once the troops leave.

Describing the US strikes, a Daesh fighter said: “They just like to disrupt and mess everything up […] They bombed the places where they sell gasoline, or they sell cooking oil, or where they filter the water — they bomb all these places. They bomb everything just to make your life horrible.”

The fighter added: “No building is empty here,” referring to the remaining Daesh-controlled villages in Deir Ez-Zour. The Intercept said that fighters and civilians in the villages have reportedly been describing the US bombing campaign as a scorched-earth policy.

Meanwhile, the US-led international coalition in Syria admitted on Thursday that it had killed 11 civilians from one family, including a child in Deir Ez-Zour, Anadolu Agency reported.

On Sunday, the US military admitted that it had killed 1,139 civilians in Iraq and Syria since the start of its campaign against Daesh in 2014. This figure is significantly smaller than the estimates of civilian casualties made by monitoring groups, with one group – Airwars – saying that between 7,308 and 11,629 civilians have been killed.

https://theantimedia.com/us-attacks-syria-increase-trump-withdrawal/

Swordsmyth
01-05-2019, 11:42 PM
US Attacks in Syria Increased After Trump’s Withdrawal Announcement

(MEMO) — Despite US President Donald Trump’s announcement that he will withdraw US troops from Syria, American strikes in the east of the country have increased.

This was revealed Thursday by an investigation conducted by Al Jazeera and The Intercept, which found that there are about 50,000 to 60,000 people stuck in eastern Syria – which is dominated by Daesh – living under these US attacks.

An activist, who refused to give his name, was reported saying: “The civilians in these areas have no place to go or hide from the US bombardment of their villages.” He added that the residents have been harmed at the hands of the Syrian government, the US and Daesh alike.

In the wake of international controversy and news that Daesh was not fully defeated in Syria, Trump declined to give a timeline for the US troops’ withdrawal from Syria, instead saying this would take place “over a period of time”. It remains unclear whether US airstrikes will continue once the troops leave.

Describing the US strikes, a Daesh fighter said: “They just like to disrupt and mess everything up […] They bombed the places where they sell gasoline, or they sell cooking oil, or where they filter the water — they bomb all these places. They bomb everything just to make your life horrible.”

The fighter added: “No building is empty here,” referring to the remaining Daesh-controlled villages in Deir Ez-Zour. The Intercept said that fighters and civilians in the villages have reportedly been describing the US bombing campaign as a scorched-earth policy.

Meanwhile, the US-led international coalition in Syria admitted on Thursday that it had killed 11 civilians from one family, including a child in Deir Ez-Zour, Anadolu Agency reported.

On Sunday, the US military admitted that it had killed 1,139 civilians in Iraq and Syria since the start of its campaign against Daesh in 2014. This figure is significantly smaller than the estimates of civilian casualties made by monitoring groups, with one group – Airwars – saying that between 7,308 and 11,629 civilians have been killed.

https://theantimedia.com/us-attacks-syria-increase-trump-withdrawal/
It appears the generals have decided to make the most of their LIMITED remaining time in Syria.

TheCount
01-06-2019, 01:14 PM
Syria conflict: Bolton says US withdrawal is conditional

The withdrawal of US troops from Syria depends on certain conditions, US National Security Adviser John Bolton says, in a further indication that the process is being slowed down.

On a trip to Israel and Turkey, he said he would seek Turkish assurances that Kurds in northern Syria would be safe.

The US also wants to ensure that the remnants of the Islamic State (IS) group are defeated, he added.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46775308

pcosmar
01-06-2019, 01:36 PM
It appears the generals have decided to make the most of their LIMITED remaining time in Syria.

No.
It is proof that we are still active in Syria...

The ONLY Reports should be Packing and Moving.. and the movement of Transport planes.

None of which are evident.

RonZeplin
01-06-2019, 01:56 PM
Where are the pictures of the troops getting off the planes, and being welcomed home by their families?

Origanalist
01-06-2019, 02:42 PM
Despite Assurances From Trump, the U.S. Battle Against ISIS in Eastern Syria Is Far From Over

Despite assurances from President Donald Trump that the Islamic State is no more, the U.S.-led battle to oust the militant group from its last Syrian stronghold has intensified in recent weeks.

Amid heavy fighting between the Kurdish-led, U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces and hardened Islamic State fighters, scores of civilians and prisoners have been killed by American airstrikes in the eastern province of Deir al-Zour, according to sources on the ground.

As part of that campaign, U.S. warplanes bombed a hospital in the village of Al Shaafah late last month, killing patients and the families of medical personnel working there. The hospital was “reduced to only stones and a huge crater in the middle,” an ISIS fighter said in an interview.

Two senior U.S. diplomats with knowledge of the fight against ISIS who spoke to us on the condition of anonymity confirmed the airstrike on the hospital. One of them maintained that it was justified and legal. He said the ISIS soldiers were firing at coalition forces from the hospital, making it a legitimate target.


The intentional bombing of hospitals and civilian areas during armed conflict is a violation of international law. CENTCOM has said it “is committed to avoiding and in every case minimizing civilian casualties” in bombing campaigns against ISIS. While one U.S. official said the hospital was being used as an ISIS attack site, an ISIS fighter presented an alternative narrative in an interview. While he admitted that his understanding was that ISIS fighters were using the hospital as a meeting point, he said the group had been negotiating with the Syrian Democratic Forces to release the Kurdish fighters in its custody in exchange for opening the single main road out of the region, used to get supplies, for up to nine months. The ISIS fighter, who has knowledge of but was not directly involved in the negotiations, said the group believes the United States did not want the deal to happen and bombed the hospital to kill the Kurdish prisoners, thus eliminating ISIS’s bargaining chip.

We could not independently verify the claims of the U.S. official or people on the ground. The U.S. official evaded questions about the presence of civilians at the hospital. A Defense Department spokesperson did not respond to questions about the hospital bombing.

https://theintercept.com/2018/12/20/syria-civil-war-isis-us-airstrikes/

TheCount
01-06-2019, 04:21 PM
Where are the pictures of the troops getting off the planes, and being welcomed home by their families?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VTGLzXr8uak/maxresdefault.jpg

TheTexan
01-06-2019, 05:27 PM
dannno

Is withdrawing from Syria sort of like the bump stock ban? i.e., it's never actually going to happen?

enhanced_deficit
01-06-2019, 05:45 PM
https://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Special-Features-Bolton-Declares-article-picture-6-INSTRUCTIONS-CROP-OUT-THE-PIC-OF-THE-MAN-ON-THE-FAR-RIGHT-IN-PHOTO_edited.jpg

Contradicting Trump, Bolton says no withdrawal from Syria until ISIS destroyed, Kurds’ safety guaranteed

(Reuters)
By Karoun Demirjian
January 6
President Trump’s national security adviser sought to reassure allies Sunday that the United States would be methodical about withdrawing troops from Syria, promising that the pullout would not occur until the Islamic State was fully eradicated from the country and Turkey could guarantee the safety of Kurdish fighters who have fought alongside American personnel.
John Bolton’s comments, reported by the Associated Press (https://apnews.com/e03de193e25e4fc19377ce99f947aa45?utm_source=Twitte r&utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow), contradict Trump’s mid-December promise to bring troops home from Syria “now,” an announcement that surprised allies and advisers, sparked an outcry from lawmakers, and prompted the resignation of Defense Secretary Jim Mattis. It is also the clearest statement yet from any of the president’s surrogates about how they plan to slow the implementation of his pullout plans.
“There are objectives that we want to accomplish that condition the withdrawal,” Bolton said while speaking to reporters in Jerusalem, on a trip intended to allay Israeli leaders’ concerns about Trump’s announcement. “The timetable flows from the policy decisions that we need to implement.”
Trump touched off global confusion and panic when he announced via Twitter on Dec. 19 that he would order the withdrawal of the 2,000 troops stationed in Syria to help fight the Islamic State. “Our boys, our young women, our men, they’re all coming back and they’re coming back now. We won,” Trump said at thet time.

Days later, while visiting U.S. troops in Iraq after Christmas, Trump told reporters traveling with him that he would deny any request from the military to extend the mission in Syria. “They said again, recently, ‘Can we have more time?’ ” Trump said of U.S. generals. “I said: ‘Nope. You can’t have any more time. You’ve had enough time.’ We’ve knocked them out. We’ve knocked them silly.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...0a8_story.html



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(https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/bolton-promises-no-troop-withdrawal-from-syria-until-isis-contained-kurds-safety-guaranteed/2019/01/06/ee219bba-11c5-11e9-b6ad-9cfd62dbb0a8_story.html)

AZJoe
01-06-2019, 08:23 PM
1082021438884798464

enhanced_deficit
01-07-2019, 01:22 AM
1082021438884798464


To be fair, there can be lot of pressures. Nefarious Israel-Frster characters like Andrew Adler of Obama threat scandal are unlikely to intimidate MAGA but this guys is MAGA's top donor allegedly:


Trump's top donor in 2013: US should drop atomic bomb on Iran (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?527899-Soros-vs-Adelson-whose-political-funding-is-better-for-cause-of-liberty&p=6700407&viewfull=1#post6700407)

American-Jewish billionaire blasts Obama over negotiations with Tehran; says US should show Iran nuclear capabilities.

By Maya Shwayder, JERUSALEM POST CORRESPONDENT
October 24, 2013

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https://images.jpost.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy/t_Article2016_Control/229168

RonZeplin
01-07-2019, 09:08 AM
Reasons To Believe In Trump’s Syria Withdrawal Are Vanishing (https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2019/01/07/reasons-to-believe-in-trumps-syria-withdrawal-are-vanishing/)

[..........}

Trump’s rhetoric on Syria has differed from people in his administration like Bolton and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, with the president tending to express more urgency on troop withdrawal and more indifference toward Iranian actions in Syria (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/they-can-do-what-they-want-trumps-iran-comments-defy-the-position-of-his-top-aides/2019/01/03/86a69d56-0f71-11e9-84fc-d58c33d6c8c7_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f02f7ce53c72), but does it make any difference? It really doesn’t matter what noises Trump makes with his mouth if no moves to scale down interventionism actually occur. Either Trump is just saying words he knows his base wants to hear with no intention of following them through, or he is being “outmaneuvered by the Deep State” as Virginia State Senator Dick Black puts it (https://consortiumnews.com/2019/01/03/has-trump-been-outmaneuvered-on-syria-troop-withdrawal/), or he’s run into some other strategic brick wall to immediate troop withdrawal we can’t see, or maybe, perhaps, he will succeed in getting troops out of Syria.

I personally do not care about Trump’s motives. Antiwar analysts tend to put a lot of emphasis on what the president’s personal intentions are, but it doesn’t matter how Trump’s feelings feel or what kind of person he is inside, what matters is if America’s unconscionable global military expansionism gets scaled down or not. The power structure behaves the way it behaves, and if the troops don’t come home it’s because Trump is either complicit or impotent. Either way, the power structure and its behavior is what matters.

I’ll be the first to cheer if US military involvement in Syria does end, but I’m not getting my hopes up. Instead, I will continue ignoring the verbiage and watching the behavior. In a world where narrative manipulation is the key to real power, it’s impossible to take anyone close to power at their word.

shakey1
01-07-2019, 11:01 AM
As I've said before... will believe it when I see it.

Schifference
01-07-2019, 11:12 AM
I have come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter what Trump does or does not do. The fact that he keeps threatening to do this or that draws attention to issues not previously scrutinized.

Ender
01-07-2019, 11:44 AM
I have come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter what Trump does or does not do. The fact that he keeps threatening to do this or that draws attention to issues not previously scrutinized.

Or takes everyone's eye off of what is really going on. It's called theatre.:seenoevil:

Schifference
01-07-2019, 11:56 AM
Or takes everyone's eye off of what is really going on. It's called theatre.:seenoevil:

People are now talking about troops in Syria and border security. Are those not real issues this day?

Ender
01-07-2019, 02:08 PM
People are now talking about troops in Syria and border security. Are those not real issues this day?

No.

We are not leaving Syria- that's a ruse- & the border can be handled quite easily with no entitlements & a free market.

The REAL issues of this day is the continuation and increase of war everywhere (or the Empire will die) and the complete surveillance of every American and soon the entire globe.

RonZeplin
01-07-2019, 02:44 PM
https://youtu.be/AaKOo_cJYVc

Zippyjuan
01-07-2019, 06:07 PM
March 2018- US Leaving Syria Soon

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/29/politics/trump-withdraw-syria-pentagon/index.html


Trump says US will withdraw from Syria 'very soon'

Updated 5:44 PM ET, Thu March 29, 2018

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump said Thursday that the US would "be coming out of Syria like very soon," just hours after the Pentagon highlighted the need for US troops to remain in the country for the immediate future.

"We're knocking the hell out of ISIS. We'll be coming out of Syria like very soon. Let the other people take care of it now," Trump told supporters at an Ohio event on infrastructure.

"We are going to have 100% of the caliphate, as they call it, sometimes referred to as land ... But we are going to be coming out of there real soon. We are going to get back to our country, where we belong, where we want to be," Trump added.

specsaregood
01-07-2019, 06:22 PM
Poor Cuckold Trump. Everytime he tries to give lady liberty what she needs, Mr. Big Dick MIC steps in and shows him who is actually in charge.

enhanced_deficit
01-07-2019, 09:25 PM
https://youtu.be/AaKOo_cJYVc

I standby my original statement, MAGA's immediate Syria withdrawal annoucement was technically not fakenews.




March 2018- US Leaving Syria Soon


Trump says US will withdraw from Syria 'very soon'

Updated 5:44 PM ET, Thu March 29, 2018

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump said Thursday that the US would "be coming out of Syria like very soon," just hours after the Pentagon highlighted the need for US troops to remain in the country for the immediate future.

"We're knocking the hell out of ISIS. We'll be coming out of Syria like very soon. Let the other people take care of it now," Trump told supporters at an Ohio event on infrastructure.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/29/politics/trump-withdraw-syria-pentagon/index.html

That statement was made before Bolton's visit to Israel.

Swordsmyth
01-07-2019, 09:27 PM
I standby my original statement, MAGA's immediate Syria withdrawal annoucement was technically not fakenews.





That statement was made before Bolton's visit to Israel.
The White House sought to make the case on Monday that President Donald Trump had not changed his position on withdrawing U.S. troops from Syria, a day after his national security adviser outlined conditions for a withdrawal that could take months.Trump's abrupt announcement last month that he was bringing home the roughly 2,000 troops in Syria, saying they had succeeded in their mission to defeat Islamic State there, sparked concern among officials in Washington and allies abroad and prompted Defense Secretary Jim Mattis to resign.
In recent days, Trump administration officials have applied the brakes, making clear the withdrawal will not happen quickly. The president himself said last week that the United States would get out of Syria slowly "over a period of time."
"The president hasn't changed his position, as he mentioned his primary goal is to ensure the safety of our troops and the safety of our allies as well," White House spokeswoman Mercedes Schlapp told Fox News on Monday. "And so the Department of Defense will come up with its operational plan to safely withdraw our troops."
"It takes time to take the troops out because we want to make sure that our troops are safe in this process," she said.
Trump and French President Emmanuel Macron discussed the two countries' commitment to destroy Islamic State and "plans for a strong, deliberate, and coordinated withdrawal of U.S. troops from Syria" during a telephone call on Monday, the White House said.

More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-hou...002037163.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-says-trump-position-unchanged-syria-withdrawal-002037163.html)

https://media.8ch.net/file_store/ae932a922a12ece90629d018b841593ae64cce448f4300cfd8 7e427c8ea3e835.png

Cap
01-08-2019, 06:04 AM
Let the spin begin.

Origanalist
01-08-2019, 06:30 AM
https://pics.me.me/trump-what-he-meant-was-5194913.png

Suzanimal
01-08-2019, 07:29 AM
"The president hasn't changed his position, as he mentioned his primary goal is to ensure the safety of our troops and the safety of our allies as well," White House spokeswoman Mercedes Schlapp told Fox News on Monday. "And so the Department of Defense will come up with its operational plan to safely withdraw our troops."
"It takes time to take the troops out because we want to make sure that our troops are safe in this process,"

That's a lot of safety.
I'm not cognitively privileged but it's my best guess that our troops are safer coming home than they are staying in Syria.

shakey1
01-08-2019, 07:45 AM
Bring 'em home... jus' do it.

enhanced_deficit
01-08-2019, 10:20 AM
https://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Special-Features-Bolton-Declares-article-picture-6-INSTRUCTIONS-CROP-OUT-THE-PIC-OF-THE-MAN-ON-THE-FAR-RIGHT-IN-PHOTO_edited.jpg

Contradicting Trump, Bolton says no withdrawal from Syria until ISIS destroyed, Kurds’ safety guaranteed

(Reuters)
By Karoun Demirjian
January 6
President Trump’s national security adviser sought to reassure allies Sunday that the United States would be methodical about withdrawing troops from Syria, promising that the pullout would not occur until the Islamic State was fully eradicated from the country and Turkey could guarantee the safety of Kurdish fighters who have fought alongside American personnel.
John Bolton’s comments, reported by the Associated Press (https://apnews.com/e03de193e25e4fc19377ce99f947aa45?utm_source=Twitte r&utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow), contradict Trump’s mid-December promise to bring troops home from Syria “now,” an announcement that surprised allies and advisers, sparked an outcry from lawmakers, and prompted the resignation of Defense Secretary Jim Mattis. It is also the clearest statement yet from any of the president’s surrogates about how they plan to slow the implementation of his pullout plans.
“There are objectives that we want to accomplish that condition the withdrawal,” Bolton said while speaking to reporters in Jerusalem, on a trip intended to allay Israeli leaders’ concerns about Trump’s announcement. “The timetable flows from the policy decisions that we need to implement.”
Trump touched off global confusion and panic when he announced via Twitter on Dec. 19 that he would order the withdrawal of the 2,000 troops stationed in Syria to help fight the Islamic State. “Our boys, our young women, our men, they’re all coming back and they’re coming back now. We won,” Trump said at thet time.

Days later, while visiting U.S. troops in Iraq after Christmas, Trump told reporters traveling with him that he would deny any request from the military to extend the mission in Syria. “They said again, recently, ‘Can we have more time?’ ” Trump said of U.S. generals. “I said: ‘Nope. You can’t have any more time. You’ve had enough time.’ We’ve knocked them out. We’ve knocked them silly.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...0a8_story.html



(https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/bolton-promises-no-troop-withdrawal-from-syria-until-isis-contained-kurds-safety-guaranteed/2019/01/06/ee219bba-11c5-11e9-b6ad-9cfd62dbb0a8_story.html)


No more Syria exit?



Turkish leader Erdogan scolds and snubs Bolton over Kurdish fighters


On Jan. 8, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan rebuked National Security advisor John Bolton after he called for the protection of Kurdish fighters in Syria. (AK Party)

By Kareem Fahim
January 8 at 8:49 AM
ISTANBUL — Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan scolded and snubbed visiting White House national security adviser John Bolton on Tuesday, saying that he had made a “very serious mistake” by demanding protection for U.S.-backed Kurdish fighters in Syria.
Turkish media reported that Erdogan refused to meet with Bolton, though a Turkish presidential spokesman said the meeting was “never confirmed.”
Erdogan’s remarks, during a speech in Ankara, were a response to comments Bolton made Sunday in Israel outlining conditions for a U.S. troop departure from Syria. Those conditions included protection for thousands of Syrian Kurdish fighters who have been trained and armed by the United States to fight the Islamic State militant group.
Turkey, which views the Syrian Kurdish fighters as terrorists, has vowed to launch a military operation against them in northeastern Syria, while also continuing the fight against the Islamic State.
“The message that Bolton gave in Israel is unacceptable. It is not possible for us to swallow,” Erdogan said. He suggested that he might ignore the Trump administration’s request to delay the Turkish military operation.
“Very soon, we will take action to neutralize terrorist organizations in Syria,” Erdogan said. “We have completed our preparations for the operation to a large extent.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/bolton-on-visit-to-turkey-to-discuss-us-withdrawal-from-syria-receives-public-scolding-from-erdogan/2019/01/08/3761b0fe-132d-11e9-b6ad-9cfd62dbb0a8_story.html



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Erdogan again likens Israel to Nazi Germany, says it commits ‘cultural genocide’ At Jerusalem conference in Istanbul, Turkish president says it’s not anti-Semitic to call out Israel: ‘No one can stop us from calling a spade a spade’

Origanalist
01-08-2019, 10:22 AM
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enhanced_deficit
01-08-2019, 08:39 PM
https://i.imgflip.com/2qmrbh.jpg


Maybe there should be a formal thought out nationally televised address by MAGA on all these Syria, Iraq, Afghan war exit plans and anti foreign spending/globalism plans so there is no ambiguity. That might also put public pressure on noecons political slave masters to back off and not force changes to MAGA's liberty plans to put America First.




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Trump NSA Bolton Taps Iran Regime Change Advocate (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?522096-Coulter-Tears-into-Trump-on-Iran-Claim&p=6731869&viewfull=1#post6731869)

enhanced_deficit
03-05-2019, 05:13 PM
Rut roh.

https://www.changingworld.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/c687aa7517cf01e65c009f6943c2b1e9/5/-/5-el3.jpg


That is cold.





https://pics.me.me/trump-what-he-meant-was-5194913.png

Sometimes MAGA says things to please his audience & does things to please his funders. But he's very rich and dedicated to the cause and don't really need those crazy donors who don't put America First.