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Zippyjuan
12-25-2018, 04:00 PM
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/politics/Guatemalan-Boy-Dies-US-Custody-503476281.html


An 8-year-old boy from Guatemala died in government custody in New Mexico early Tuesday, U.S. immigration authorities said, marking the second death of an immigrant child in detention this month.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection said in a news release that the boy died shortly after midnight.

The death came during an ongoing dispute over border security and with a partial government shutdown underway over President Donald Trump's request for border wall funding. The White House did not immediately comment on the boy's death Tuesday. CBP officers and the Border Patrol remain on the job despite the shutdown.

The agency said the boy showed "signs of potential illness" on Monday and was taken with his father to a hospital in Alamogordo, New Mexico, where he was diagnosed with a cold and a fever. The boy was prescribed amoxicillin and Ibuprofen and released Monday afternoon after being held 90 minutes for observation, the agency said.

The boy was returned to the hospital Monday evening with nausea and vomiting and died there just hours later, U.S. Customs and Border Protection said.

The agency said the cause of the boy's death has not been determined and that it has notified the Department of Homeland Security's inspector general and the Guatemalan government.

The hospital — the Gerald Champion Regional Medical Center — referred calls to a spokeswoman who did not immediately respond to messages requesting comment.

The agency has not yet said when or where the father and son entered the United States or how long they were detained, saying only in its statement that the boy had been "previously apprehended" by its agents. CBP typically detains immigrants when they cross the border for short periods of time before releasing them or turning them over to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Alamogordo is about 90 miles from the U.S.-Mexico border at El Paso, Texas. Ruben Garcia, director of El Paso's Annunciation House, said Tuesday that he had no reason to believe his shelter had served the family, but was waiting for further details about what happened.

A CBP spokesman declined to elaborate Tuesday, but said more details would be released shortly.

A 7-year-old Guatemalan girl died earlier this month after being apprehended by border agents, also in New Mexico. The body of the girl, Jakelin Caal, was returned to her family's remote village Monday for burial Tuesday.

Large numbers of Guatemalan families have been arriving in recent weeks in New Mexico, often in remote and dangerous parts of the desert. Jakelin and her father were with 161 other people when they were apprehended in Antelope Wells, about 230 miles southwest of Alamogordo.

Swordsmyth
12-25-2018, 04:05 PM
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/politics/Guatemalan-Boy-Dies-US-Custody-503476281.html

How many die in the desert and get eaten by vultures because your buddies incentivize their parents to drag them along with their open borders and insane asylum/immigration laws/policies?

phill4paul
12-25-2018, 04:16 PM
That's the problem with illegals coming over the border without being vetted. No telling what potential viruses they are carrying. Probably just a common flu that he wasn't vaccinated for. But, it could have been something much worse.

Swordsmyth
12-25-2018, 04:19 PM
That's the problem with illegals coming over the border without being vetted. No telling what potential viruses they are carrying. Probably just a common flu that he wasn't vaccinated for. But, it could have been something much worse.
Dragging him through the frying hot desert days and freezing nights couldn't have been good for his immune system either.

Zippyjuan
12-25-2018, 04:43 PM
That's the problem with illegals coming over the border without being vetted. No telling what potential viruses they are carrying. Probably just a common flu that he wasn't vaccinated for. But, it could have been something much worse.

Once you take somebody into custody you become responsible for them.

Symptoms could be severe dehydration- not a disease. https://www.gohealthuc.com/library/4-signs-severe-dehydration-and-where-go-help


5. Fever and Chills
Usually we associate a fever and chills with having an illness like the flu or an ear infection. But don’t let this warning sign fool you. It’s also a dangerous sign of severe dehydration. When your body doesn’t have enough fluids, it’s hard to maintain a regular body temperature and this can lead to hyperthermia and fever-like symptoms including chills.

Swordsmyth
12-25-2018, 04:54 PM
Once you take somebody into custody you become responsible for them.

Symptoms could be severe dehydration- not a disease. https://www.gohealthuc.com/library/4-signs-severe-dehydration-and-where-go-help
How many die in the desert and get eaten by vultures because your buddies incentivize their parents to drag them along with their open borders and insane asylum/immigration laws/policies?

oyarde
12-25-2018, 05:08 PM
Maybe people from Guatemala should not bring babies to US custody .

tod evans
12-25-2018, 05:37 PM
I feel zero responsibility.

Origanalist
12-25-2018, 05:42 PM
Maybe people from Guatemala should not bring babies to US custody .

Beat me to it, that kid was undoubtedly brought along as a prop for effect. Shame on it's parents.

angelatc
12-25-2018, 10:30 PM
No fucks are given here, Zippy. One less mouth to feed - thanks Santa!

euphemia
12-26-2018, 04:28 AM
Parents death march their little kids across the desert with no food and water. No wonder they get sick. Don’t blame the US.

Slave Mentality
12-26-2018, 04:44 AM
No fucks are given here, Zippy. One less mouth to feed - thanks Santa!

Being pleased that an innocent child has died is fucked up, no matter what your political views. Try being a fucking human.

angelatc
12-26-2018, 07:53 AM
Being pleased that an innocent child has died is fucked up, no matter what your political views. Try being a fucking human.

Nope, still not feeling it. Send them all home.

phill4paul
12-26-2018, 08:04 AM
Being pleased that an innocent child has died is fucked up, no matter what your political views. Try being a fucking human.

Try placing your outrage into ending illegal trespassing that puts children into these situations.

Ender
12-26-2018, 08:43 AM
Being pleased that an innocent child has died is $#@!ed up, no matter what your political views. Try being a $#@!ing human.

Agree.

And the dire conditions that Guatemala is in is because of US meddling.

Slave Mentality
12-26-2018, 09:00 AM
Try placing your outrage into ending illegal trespassing that puts children into these situations.

You mean the Freedom Spreading our overlords have been doing there the past 30-40 years, or the corporate welfare encouraging them to come here for decades now?

I will continue to place my outrage at those that think their Christmas was more Merry because a kid died. Fuck that shit.

Edit: Outraged is a strong word. I just think it's shallow to look at my fellow man as anything other than a fellow man, no matter color, soil of origin, or anything else. This was a child, not MS13 or any of that skeery stuff. Yes, his parents are fucking stupid - the kid was innocent. Our system is fucked - the kid was innocent. Stay and fix their own mess - the kid was innocent. A bunch of commies invading - the kid was innocent.

euphemia
12-26-2018, 09:08 AM
The child likely arrived here sick. It is his parents’ fault for death marching a sick child across the desert. Very high fever and vomiting? Not really sure what the amoxicillin was for. Supposedly he had a cold. Those are not the symptoms of a cold.

phill4paul
12-26-2018, 09:14 AM
You mean the Freedom Spreading our overlords have been doing there the past 30-40 years, or the corporate welfare encouraging them to come here for decades?

I will continue to place my outrage at those that think their Christmas was more Merry because a kid died. Fuck that shit.

Those two things and more. Leftist welfare. Birthright citizenship for non-citizens. The ability to work here and repatriate wages to their home country. Leftist organizations that encourage them like La Raza. The list goes on and on.

AuH20
12-26-2018, 09:16 AM
What illnesses are they carrying? The authorities provided the child with amoxicillin, which is a pretty potent antibiotic and he still succumbed to the illness.

AuH20
12-26-2018, 09:19 AM
Basically your run-of-the-mill 'shithole'

https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-safety/central-america/guatemala/guatemala-health-and-disease


Health standards in Guatemala are low, so make sure the food you're eating is fresh, clean and cooked properly. While you might think it's a good idea to avoid street food, many travelers would disagree. At least by eating street food, you can see how it's being handled and cooked.

AuH20
12-26-2018, 09:27 AM
Read this. It sounds like they need a lesson on sanitation practices. The greenies should really hate Guatemalans for harming the environment:

http://www.kumc.edu/Documents/international/Brittany%20Zarda%20Guatemala%20Presentation.pdf

Ender
12-26-2018, 09:47 AM
You mean the Freedom Spreading our overlords have been doing there the past 30-40 years, or the corporate welfare encouraging them to come here for decades now?

I will continue to place my outrage at those that think their Christmas was more Merry because a kid died. $#@! that $#@!.

Edit: Outraged is a strong word. I just think it's shallow to look at my fellow man as anything other than a fellow man, no matter color, soil of origin, or anything else. This was a child, not MS13 or any of that skeery stuff. Yes, his parents are $#@!ing stupid - the kid was innocent. Our system is $#@!ed - the kid was innocent. Stay and fix their own mess - the kid was innocent. A bunch of commies invading - the kid was innocent.

I'd +rep you again if I could.

The "outrage" should be over the US meddling & taking over "third world" countries for Big Corps/Oil/MIC. Guatemala's poverty is caused by this very thing but it's so much easier to blame them than to wake up.

Just like it's so much easier to build a wall- for the ultimate purpose of keeping us in & not them out- than it is to stop fed welfare & instill free capitalism. Can't have that now, can we. :rolleyes:

EVERYONE should read- again & again- Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins, to finally realize the real truth of what is going on.

Most people on this forum used to understand the basic principles of freedom, but alas, it has vanished.

AuH20
12-26-2018, 09:55 AM
I'd +rep you again if I could.

The "outrage" should be over the US meddling & taking over "third world" countries for Big Corps/Oil/MIC. Guatemala's poverty is caused by this very thing but it's so much easier to blame them than to wake up.

Just like it's so much easier to build a wall- for the ultimate purpose of keeping us in & not them out- than it is to stop fed welfare & instill free capitalism. Can't have that now, can we. :rolleyes:

EVERYONE should read- again & again- Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins, to finally realize the real truth of what is going on.

Most people on this forum used to understand the basic principles of freedom, but alas, it has vanished.

We are keenly aware. What's done is done. We should stop the cycle by not allowing it to destroy our homeland, which is why we need a physical barrier. I don't want to see the multinationals win TWICE, when their handiwork goes north.

specsaregood
12-26-2018, 10:09 AM
How many Guatemalan children of the same age died during the same time period in Guatemalan lands?

Ender
12-26-2018, 10:09 AM
We are keenly aware. What's done is done. We should stop the cycle by not allowing it to destroy our homeland, which is why we need a physical barrier. I don't want to see the multinationals win TWICE, when their handiwork goes north.

Have you read Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins? Anyone who has is keenly aware that TPTB are stationed in DC. The fear of dem nasty immigrunts is a ruse to keep your eye off the mark.

phill4paul
12-26-2018, 10:32 AM
Have you read Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins? Anyone who has is keenly aware that TPTB are stationed in DC. The fear of dem nasty immigrunts is a ruse to keep your eye off the mark.

Cannot one keep their eye on both?

AuH20
12-26-2018, 10:34 AM
Have you read Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins? Anyone who has is keenly aware that TPTB are stationed in DC. The fear of dem nasty immigrunts is a ruse to keep your eye off the mark.

We know who the real threat is. And those individuals are using this population displacement to their advantage.

Origanalist
12-26-2018, 11:00 AM
Record 24,000 Migrant Children Caught at Border in December–In Just First Three Weeks

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/hondurans-marching-600x450.jpg
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/12/record-24000-migrant-children-caught-at-border-in-december-in-just-first-three-weeks/

TheTexan
12-26-2018, 11:37 AM
How is this news? I stopped reading at "guatemalan"

Ender
12-26-2018, 12:00 PM
Cannot one keep their eye on both?

Read the book?

angelatc
12-26-2018, 12:17 PM
Those two things and more. Leftist welfare. Birthright citizenship for non-citizens. The ability to work here and repatriate wages to their home country. Leftist organizations that encourage them like La Raza. The list goes on and on.

Post something about an illegal killing someone here and Zippy is always in with, "Citizens murder people too!." This is that. Kids die here every day. Being complicit with a media who is using these children as political tools is what's really disgusting.

And everything that's wrong in South America is our fault, because they're not responsible for anything ever

phill4paul
12-26-2018, 12:33 PM
Read the book?

Watched the documentary.

phill4paul
12-26-2018, 12:34 PM
Post something about an illegal killing someone here and Zippy is always in with, "Citizens murder people too!." This is that. Kids die here every day. Being complicit with a media who is using these children as political tools is what's really disgusting.

And everything that's wrong in South America is our fault, because they're not responsible for anything ever

Zippy posted it because...propaganda. Nothing more, nothing less.

RJB
12-26-2018, 12:35 PM
And everything that's wrong in South America is our fault, because they're not responsible for anything ever

It is our policy that made Hugo Chavez's and other banana republic socialist's revolutions fail, but thanks to immigration we will get a taste of it here where it can succeed. Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez is just the start. Now hang your head in shame for your white privilege and let your country become a banana republic.

Schifference
12-26-2018, 12:44 PM
Once you take somebody into custody you become responsible for them.

https://www.gohealthuc.com/library/4-signs-severe-dehydration-and-where-go-help

Truer words have never been spoken. This is why we need better boarder security. Keep Them Out!

phill4paul
12-26-2018, 01:00 PM
Now these illegal trespassers are costing American taxpayers more money. DHS is having to call in the CDC to check out all those entering the country illegally with illnesses. No telling what diseases they could be bringing into the country and spreading them among our populace.

phill4paul
12-26-2018, 01:08 PM
GUATEMALAN MIGRANT FATHER DECLINED MEDICAL TREATMENT FOR SICK CHILD BEFORE DEATH

https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/26/guatemala-medical-treatment/

Keep the families together they said....

Swordsmyth
12-26-2018, 02:17 PM
It is our policy that made Hugo Chavez's and other banana republic socialist's revolutions fail, but thanks to immigration we will get a taste of it here where it can succeed. Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez is just the start. Now hang your head in shame for your white privilege and let your country become a banana republic.
It's amazing how many "libertarians" will rush to tell you that socialism wasn't the primary cause of the failure of socialist countries.

It's almost as if they are closet socialists.

RJB
12-26-2018, 04:13 PM
It's amazing how many "libertarians" will rush to tell you that socialism wasn't the primary cause of the failure of socialist countries.

It's almost as if they are closet socialists.

But, but, muh guilt...

Swordsmyth
12-26-2018, 04:14 PM
But, but, muh guilt...
Hate America first.

Ender
12-26-2018, 05:46 PM
It is our policy that made Hugo Chavez's and other banana republic socialist's revolutions fail, but thanks to immigration we will get a taste of it here where it can succeed. Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez is just the start. Now hang your head in shame for your white privilege and let your country become a banana republic.

Do you know what a banana republic is and where the phrase even came from?

From an article about alphabet atrocities:


Guatemala: This little CIA caper is the origin of the term “Banana Republic.” The democratically elected President of Guatemala decided to punish the United Fruit Company for decades of consorting with the country’s dictators. He began to propose legislation to end the US multinational’s monopoly on almost everything in the country. So what else could the CIA do? The agency overthrew the legal government and triggered a war… over bananas.

Same thing that happened to Iran over their oil.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/02/no_author/10-secret-armies-cia/

RJB
12-26-2018, 06:13 PM
Do you know what a banana republic is and where the phrase even came from?

From an article about alphabet atrocities:


Same thing that happened to Iran over their oil.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/02/no_author/10-secret-armies-cia/
Thanks for the trivia lesson. Now I realize it's even more my fault that those Marxist governments failed. Oh the guilt for something I didn't do. How will I ever alleviated it?

Ender
12-26-2018, 07:07 PM
Thanks for the trivia lesson. Now I realize it's even more my fault that those Marxist governments failed. Oh the guilt for something I didn't do. How will I ever alleviated it?

Hmmmm..... it's the Guatemalans fault they are poor because of the big corps/alphabet take over of their country; but Amurikans are not guilty for any of this happening. Did I get that right?

RJB
12-26-2018, 07:12 PM
Hmmmm..... it's the Guatemalans fault they are poor because of the big corps/alphabet take over of their country; but Amurikans are not guilty for any of this happening. Did I get that right?

Dude, the guilt card is so 1990s. I had nothing to do with what went on down there. Neither are my children responsible. You need a new emotional card. That one is worn out.

Socialism fails regardless of Americans.

Swordsmyth
12-26-2018, 07:15 PM
Hmmmm..... it's the Guatemalans fault they are poor because of the big corps/alphabet take over of their country; but Amurikans are not guilty for any of this happening. Did I get that right?
I don't know just how guilty the average Guatemalan is but I know their government is guilty and I know that I am not and I will not "pay penance" by allowing an invasion that will turn my country into a communist hellhole that will continue to participate in the oligarchs' imperial crimes anyway.

Kilrain
12-26-2018, 07:17 PM
Hmmmm..... it's the Guatemalans fault they are poor because of the big corps/alphabet take over of their country; but Amurikans are not guilty for any of this happening. Did I get that right?

If the Guatemalans are poor because of "big corps/alphabet" taking over their country, then they must have been rich prior to this "takeover". So when were Guatemalans rich?

euphemia
12-26-2018, 07:21 PM
Hmmmm..... it's the Guatemalans fault they are poor because of the big corps/alphabet take over of their country; but Amurikans are not guilty for any of this happening. Did I get that right?

So how is that relevant to parents death marching a *sick* child almost 2000 miles? The child was given amoxicillin and ibuprofen by US medical services. Has anyone reported whether parents actually gave the medicine to the child once he was released?

This is almost identical to the symptoms reported with the 8yo girl who was also dragged through the desert by someone claiming to be her father, who also certified she was healthy when she arrived here.

Swordsmyth
12-26-2018, 07:25 PM
So how is that relevant to parents death marching a *sick* child almost 2000 miles? The child was given amoxicillin and ibuprofen by US medical services. Has anyone reported whether parents actually gave the medicine to the child once he was released?

This is almost identical to the symptoms reported with the 8yo girl who was also dragged through the desert by someone claiming to be her father, who also certified she was healthy when she arrived here.
Ender thinks you and I owe Guatemalans and that we should be sending ships, planes and buses to give them all free rides here, after they arrive we are supposedly obligated to let them elect communists to take everything from us, only then will we have atoned for our collective sins.

It's funny how leftarians scream about individualism but they embrace collective guilt.

RJB
12-26-2018, 07:29 PM
Ender thinks you and I owe Guatemalans and that we should be sending ships, planes and buses to give them all free rides here, after they arrive we are supposedly obligated to let them elect communists to take everything from us, only then will we have atoned for our collective sins.

It's funny how leftarians scream about individualism but they embrace collective guilt.

No. When that Marxist Utopia fails in the US, you and I will be blamed and that will be more guilt loaded on our and our children's shoulders.

Sarcasm aside, I ain't playing this guilt game anymore. They need a new emotional card, but I won't play that either. I am done. To all the Marxists reading, Leave me alone.

euphemia
12-26-2018, 07:36 PM
I’m telling you, as a parent, grandparent, and former teacher, I can pretty much look at a child and know when they are sick. I can kiss one of my grandchildren and know how much of fever he or she has. I also know that when kids grow up in free range kind of way in remote areas, they eat a seasonal, locally grown diet, and they have natural immunity to whatever floats around their community. When they re taken away from that environment, it does not surprise me even a little bit that they get sick. There is no telling what they are exposed to along the way. Auto fumes, factory chemicals, organisms in water, processed food. It does not surprise me at all.

Swordsmyth
12-26-2018, 07:45 PM
No. When that Marxist Utopia fails in the US, you and I will be blamed and that will be more guilt loaded on our and our children's shoulders.

Sarcasm aside, I ain't playing this guilt game anymore. They need a new emotional card, but I won't play that either. I am done. To all the Marxists reading, Leave me alone.
^^^THIS^^^

acptulsa
12-26-2018, 07:49 PM
Ender thinks [a bunch of bullshit he has never, ever said].

Another guideline violation.

Ender
12-26-2018, 07:51 PM
Ender thinks you and I owe Guatemalans and that we should be sending ships, planes and buses to give them all free rides here, after they arrive we are supposedly obligated to let them elect communists to take everything from us, only then will we have atoned for our collective sins.

It's funny how leftarians scream about individualism but they embrace collective guilt.

NOPE. Wrong, as always.

I don't think we personally owe Guatemalans. I THINK we outta stop being hypocrites about why so many S Americans are poor & starving, stop blaming them when it's our gov that has caused much of this & start spreading some freedom-

HERE first & then to Infinity and Beyond!

euphemia
12-26-2018, 07:54 PM
Parental irresponsibility is universal. It doesn’t matter what kind of government they have.

Swordsmyth
12-26-2018, 07:54 PM
Another guideline violation.
It is a guideline violation to publicly point out guideline violations, one of many that you commit.
The guidelines are rarely enforced around here and I don't violate them more than most.

Ender promotes the guilt trip storyline as part of his open borders propaganda whether he spells it out every time or not.

Swordsmyth
12-26-2018, 07:57 PM
NOPE. Wrong, as always.

I don't think we personally owe Guatemalans. I THINK we outta stop being hypocrites about why so many S Americans are poor & starving, stop blaming them when it's our gov that has caused much of this & start spreading some freedom-

HERE first & then to Infinity and Beyond!
The only way we can do that is to secure our borders but every time we call for that you trot out the guilt trip to bludgeon us into letting them all come here.

Ender
12-26-2018, 07:58 PM
So how is that relevant to parents death marching a *sick* child almost 2000 miles? The child was given amoxicillin and ibuprofen by US medical services. Has anyone reported whether parents actually gave the medicine to the child once he was released?

This is almost identical to the symptoms reported with the 8yo girl who was also dragged through the desert by someone claiming to be her father, who also certified she was healthy when she arrived here.

If you're starving, you have nothing, and you need to protect your family, wouldn't you take a risk & try to get to somewhere you thought was safer? How about the early pilgrims/pioneers- was it their fault people died trying to escape to more freedom?

Ender
12-26-2018, 07:59 PM
The only way we can do that is to secure our borders but every time we call for that you trot out the guilt trip to bludgeon us into letting them all come here.

Complete BULLSHIT, Mr. Hater.

Swordsmyth
12-26-2018, 08:00 PM
Complete BULL$#@!, Mr. Hater.
It's kind of funny how you never call out any of the leftists who call names or make actual baseless accusations.

Swordsmyth
12-26-2018, 08:01 PM
If you're starving, you have nothing, and you need to protect your family, wouldn't you take a risk & try to get to somewhere you thought was safer? How about the early pilgrims/pioneers- was it their fault people died trying to escape to more freedom?
That is not an accurate description of the invaders.

euphemia
12-26-2018, 08:01 PM
If you're starving, you have nothing, and you need to protect your family, wouldn't you take a risk & try to get to somewhere you thought was safer? How about the early pilgrims/pioneers- was it their fault people died trying to escape to more freedom?

Do you even read what you write? Early pilgrims got here and there was nothing. No houses, jobs, farms, or anything. They couldn’t blame government. They had no government except the Mayflower Compact.

They had already been to England, Scotland, and the Netherlands. They were not really going from no civilization to big civilization. They did the opposite.

Ender
12-26-2018, 08:01 PM
Parental irresponsibility is universal. It doesn’t matter what kind of government they have.

So, who's responsible for those young guys sitting at computers, killing people around the world with drones?

Ender
12-26-2018, 08:03 PM
Do you even read what you write? Early pilgrims got here and there was nothing. No houses, jobs, farms, or anything. They couldn’t blame government. They had no government except the Mayflower Compact.

LOL- they were escaping! They were escaping government!

Ender
12-26-2018, 08:04 PM
It's kind of funny how you never call out any of the leftists who call names or make actual baseless accusations.

Name one. And I DO call out the neocons

euphemia
12-26-2018, 08:06 PM
LOL- they were escaping! They were escaping government!

That’s my family history. They weren’t going from nothing to something. They knew they were going from something to nothing. They had to leave everything behind. The Mayflower was tiny. Tiny tiny.

acptulsa
12-26-2018, 08:07 PM
The guidelines are rarely enforced around here and I don't violate them more than most.

Sounds like you're saying, if you combine most everyone else's guideline violations together, they outnumber your guideline violations.

Maybe. It's a near thing. What of it?

Swordsmyth
12-26-2018, 08:09 PM
Name one.
TheCount
Influenza
Otherone

That's three, there are many others but you only punch to the right of yourself.


And I DO call out the neocons
That must be why I never see you attack R3v when he calls for foreign intervention but you attacked me when I attacked him over it........

Swordsmyth
12-26-2018, 08:09 PM
Sounds like you're saying, if you combine most everyone else's guideline violations together, they outnumber your guideline violations.

Maybe. It's a near thing. What of it?
I don't even come close to yours.

acptulsa
12-26-2018, 08:13 PM
I don't even come close to yours.

Maybe. I have been here eight years longer. But don't give up now. With the blistering pace you're setting, I'm sure you'll have the record by Labor Day.

euphemia
12-26-2018, 08:14 PM
Incidentally, not all of the people on the Mayflower were escaping government. Some of them were venture capitalists of a sort, looking to make a fortune. Maybe they didn’t know half of them would die on the boat, or that they would stay on the boat all winter because there was nowhere to live on land.

Guatemalans think they are coming to a big paradise. Not even close to the same thing.

Swordsmyth
12-26-2018, 08:17 PM
Maybe. I have been here eight years longer. But don't give up now. With the blistering pace you're setting, I'm sure you'll have the record by Labor Day.
I couldn't catch up to you in 20 years if you stopped posting today.

euphemia
12-26-2018, 09:07 PM
So, who's responsible for those young guys sitting at computers, killing people around the world with drones?

That’s not what we’re talking about here. We are talking about a 7 yo child who was taken from his home, made to walk 2000 miles, and people are surprised that he got sick and died.

Ender
12-26-2018, 09:51 PM
TheCount
Influenza
Otherone

That's three, there are many others but you only punch to the right of yourself.


That must be why I never see you attack R3v when he calls for foreign intervention but you attacked me when I attacked him over it........

LOL- they are NOT leftists. They only question stupidity with sarcasm.

I called you out for your insults & name-calling, which you've just admitted to. :seenoevil::hearnoevil::speaknoevil:

Swordsmyth
12-26-2018, 09:54 PM
LOL- they are NOT leftists. They only question stupidity with sarcasm.
Otherone may not be a leftist but the other two are no matter how often you deny it and they throw around insults and false allegations which you never comment on.


I called you out for your insults & name-calling, which you've just admitted to. :seenoevil::hearnoevil::speaknoevil:
I stand by my truthful and humorous attack on R3v, he openly calls for foreign intervention as a means to "spread liberty" and somehow you never ever call him on it but you jump in to attack me when I do.

Ender
12-27-2018, 12:09 AM
Otherone may not be a leftist but the other two are no matter how often you deny it and they throw around insults and false allegations which you never comment on.


I stand by my truthful and humorous attack on R3v, he openly calls for foreign intervention as a means to "spread liberty" and somehow you never ever call him on it but you jump in to attack me when I do.

I called you out for your insults & name-calling.

Period.

Learning to have decent dialog might actually get people to trust you and listen.

Swordsmyth
12-27-2018, 12:12 AM
I called you out for your insults & name-calling.

Period.

Learning to have decent dialog might actually get people to trust you and listen.
And you ignore all of the leftists who use insults and name-calling.
R3v deserves what I said about him and I will repeat it if I feel like it.

specsaregood
12-27-2018, 12:51 AM
it appears the father refused medical treatment. so enough about this...

https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/26/guatemala-medical-treatment/


The father of the Guatemalan child who died Christmas Eve denied further medical treatment from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents after the child vomited following an initial examination from doctors, a spokesman from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) said on a call to reporters Wednesday.
Government officials provided further details, including the startling disclosure of the father’s behavior, regarding the timeline of the child’s deteriorating condition. According to officials, the 8-year-old boy, Felipe Gomez Alonzo, was given multiple medical examinations by doctors before being released with prescription medications.

more at link...

CaptainAmerica
12-27-2018, 02:23 AM
Is it "detention" ? Or is it a sorting facility to figure out what the F to do with other peoples children they had and cant responsibly take care of , or fight for their own freedom? Why does america have to be blamed for every F-ing thing.

acptulsa
12-27-2018, 08:42 AM
I couldn't catch up to you in 20 years if you stopped posting today.

I have no doubt you perceive it that way. But you seem to ignore what happens outside your bubble. I give as good as I get, and as good as I see others getting. You shovel it out all over everybody you haven't put on your allies list.

And given that you'll hijack any thread any time to argue and spin your own actions, I'm pretty sure you won't break the record by Labor Day.

You'll be the guideline violation champ by Memorial Day.


Otherone may not be a leftist but he's something I hate worse. He has a sense of humor and knows how to use it.

Don't like it when people put words in your mouth, do you? But you do it to others without a second thought, nearly every day.

What did GOD tell you about doing unto others? Hitting caps lock when you type God's name is no substitute for obedience.

euphemia
12-27-2018, 09:34 AM
We don’t know thqt the man was indeed the boy’s father. There is no telling who his parents are.

nobody's_hero
12-27-2018, 03:42 PM
It really is a shame . . .






. . . . .that whoever funded the caravan and helped give them rides to the US border didn't think to also provide them with medical care early on when it might have done some good.

Working Poor
12-27-2018, 06:08 PM
Being pleased that an innocent child has died is $#@!ed up, no matter what your political views. Try being a $#@!ing human.What about all the innocent American children that die from being kidnapped by CPS and other children who die from other various causes. People of all ages die everyday.

America has a high infant mortality rate for a 1st world country. Also, I bet if every American child that died make front page news there would not be any room on the front page for this other BS. The American people did not cause the death of this child.

Slave Mentality
12-27-2018, 06:36 PM
Those two things and more. Leftist welfare. Birthright citizenship for non-citizens. The ability to work here and repatriate wages to their home country. Leftist organizations that encourage them like La Raza. The list goes on and on.

Understood. I also understand that Uncle Sugar has a very shitty record with regards to protecting liberty. They also have a very shitty record of providing any real solutions. They have a wonderful record for manipulating the masses into hysterics that just aren’t logical. The evidence is everywhere to support my claims. I have not seen any evidence to suggest that the largest military police state that the world has ever known is to be trusted with ANY increase in scope. None.

What also blows my mind around here is all the people posting on a liberty forum not giving a rat’s fuck about the ludicrous fiscal issues. Who is paying for this fucking shit? It’s gone full blown Bizzaro World and yes I realize it’s all perspective.

I can already see people making pilgrimages and sticking little notes in it, after getting molested by armed government agents of course. Fucking little school kids can paint bald mother fuckin eagles on it. The wall that saved America from the commies! No shit.

Armed government workers and walls - you can have it. Don’t force me to pay for it.

Slave Mentality
12-27-2018, 06:44 PM
What about all the innocent American children that die from being kidnapped by CPS and other children who die from other various causes. People of all ages die everyday.

America has a high infant mortality rate for a 1st world country. Also, I bet if every American child that died make front page news there would not be any room on the front page for this other BS. The American people did not cause the death of this child.

Show me where I said it was the fault of American people? People making shit up and building their straw men.

I was simply pointing out the bad taste in feeling anything but bad about a child dying, no matter fault. Do you have children?

Ender
12-27-2018, 08:16 PM
What about all the innocent American children that die from being kidnapped by CPS and other children who die from other various causes. People of all ages die everyday.

America has a high infant mortality rate for a 1st world country. Also, I bet if every American child that died make front page news there would not be any room on the front page for this other BS. The American people did not cause the death of this child.

Somebody earlier was blaming the death on the child's parents. It was NOT Slave Mentality & he is not blaming anyone- just asking where in the blazes genuine sympathy & humanity went.

Ender
12-27-2018, 08:20 PM
Incidentally, not all of the people on the Mayflower were escaping government. Some of them were venture capitalists of a sort, looking to make a fortune. Maybe they didn’t know half of them would die on the boat, or that they would stay on the boat all winter because there was nowhere to live on land.

Guatemalans think they are coming to a big paradise. Not even close to the same thing.

Let us pray you never have to grab a child & walk/run 2000 miles to perceived safety.

euphemia
12-27-2018, 08:20 PM
Somebody earlier was blaming the death on the child's parents. It was NOT Slave Mentality & he is not blaming anyone- just asking where in the blazes genuine sympathy & humanity went.

I blame his parents. Latest news is “dad” *heard* he could come through the border if he brought a child. Assuming he really is the dad, his son is now dead because he forced him to walk 1500 miles in a dangerous desert.

Ender
12-27-2018, 08:22 PM
I blame his parents. Latest news is “dad” *heard* he could come through the border if he brought a child. Assuming he really is the dad, his son is now dead because he forced him to walk 1500 miles in a dangerous desert.

Like I said- pray YOU never have to head into the abyss to save a child or grandparent from dangerous government.

Swordsmyth
12-27-2018, 08:23 PM
Let us pray you never have to grab a child & walk/run 2000 miles to perceived safety.


Like I said- pray YOU never have to head into the abyss to save a child or grandparent from dangerous government.


"Dad" didn't "need" to either, he wanted to use "his" child to facilitate economic migration and after crossing the border he no longer cared about the kid's welfare.

Dr.3D
12-27-2018, 08:25 PM
Like I said- pray YOU never have to head into the abyss to save a child or grandparent from dangerous government.

Just make sure you don't carry the flag of the government you are seeking asylum from when doing so.
https://s15-us2.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fs.abcnews.com%2Fimages% 2FThisWeek%2F181021_tw_migrant_caravan1_crop_hpMai n_16x9_1600.jpg&sp=d978a1a52f17155f1b8f0a13f5145f3c

RJB
12-27-2018, 08:42 PM
Just make sure you don't carry the flag of the government you are seeking asylum from when doing so.
https://s15-us2.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fs.abcnews.com%2Fimages% 2FThisWeek%2F181021_tw_migrant_caravan1_crop_hpMai n_16x9_1600.jpg&sp=d978a1a52f17155f1b8f0a13f5145f3c
So Honduran Nationalists who blame us for the failure of their country's socialist policies are marching towards our country and Zippy is OK with these national socialists*?

The catch phrase "National Socialists" garnered a broad definition in 2016, but I would have to say the people in that picture fit that definition better than your average Trump supporter.

Swordsmyth
12-27-2018, 08:49 PM
So Honduran Nationalists who blame us for the failure of their country's socialist policies are marching towards our country and Zippy is OK with these national socialists*?

The catch phrase "National Socialists" garnered a broad definition in 2016, but I would have to say the people in that picture fit that definition better than your average Trump supporter.
You don't understand, they are just misunderstood libertarians.
If we let them in we will solve all our problems.

:rolleyes:

AuH20
12-27-2018, 08:51 PM
You don't understand, they are just misunderstood libertarians.
If we let them in we will solve all our problems.

:rolleyes:

Misguided people who think they will be enriched with the demise of the white man. Utter retards. The MSM keeps feeding these people the false narrative.

AuH20
12-27-2018, 08:52 PM
Misguided people who think they will be enriched with the demise of the white man. Utter retards. The MSM keeps feeding these people the false narrative.

See Social Credit Score.

acptulsa
12-27-2018, 08:54 PM
Misguided people who think they will be enriched with the demise of the white man. Utter retards. The MSM keeps feeding these people the false narrative.

Oh? Tell us more about what the MSM is telling Honduras.

I don't even know what channels are available there...

euphemia
12-27-2018, 08:55 PM
Do you see any children in that picture? Just asking. I see a few that might be 10 or 11, but not little kids.

AuH20
12-27-2018, 08:56 PM
Oh? Tell us more about what the MSM is telling Honduras.

I don't even know what channels are available there...

The media tentacles are wide reaching. Our CIA and the nefarious state department has it's hands all over the place.

Swordsmyth
12-27-2018, 08:57 PM
Misguided people who think they will be enriched with the demise of the white man. Utter retards. The MSM keeps feeding these people the false narrative.
Somehow it doesn't make our resident leftarians reconsider their position that the UN, the MSM and every other agent of the oligarchs wants open borders or that their favorite victims over in Palestine are the victims of a demographic invasion that turned violent.

euphemia
12-27-2018, 08:59 PM
Do you see very many women in that picture? Old people. No. These are young men. Fighting age.

Swordsmyth
12-27-2018, 09:01 PM
Do you see very many women in that picture? Old people. No. These are young men. Fighting age.
Exactly, the few women and children are brought along for propaganda purposes.

euphemia
12-27-2018, 09:03 PM
Exactly, the few women and children are brought along for propaganda purposes.

And what happens to the unaccompanied boys? They walk across the border straight into the arms of MS-13 and the Muslim Brotherhood.

Swordsmyth
12-27-2018, 09:07 PM
And what happens to the unaccompanied boys? They walk across the border straight into the arms of MS-13 and the Muslim Brotherhood.
To become the footsoldiers of the coming revolution.

AntiFa may be made up of soyboys but the communists aren't counting on them, they are planning on using the invaders.

euphemia
12-27-2018, 09:07 PM
The rest of them will head off to secluded enclaves of forced labor. Where they don’t have wives or girlfriends with them. And they sneak off to assault and kill young women like Mollie Tibbetts.

euphemia
12-27-2018, 09:10 PM
Think past the politics of this. Think about the implications of what you actually see there.

Swordsmyth
12-27-2018, 09:12 PM
The rest of them will head off to secluded enclaves of forced labor. Where they don’t have wives or girlfriends with them. And they sneak off to assault and kill young women like Mollie Tibbetts.
And most of the killings will go unsolved and presumed to have been committed by native citizens.

phill4paul
12-27-2018, 09:12 PM
Like I said- pray YOU never have to head into the abyss to save a child or grandparent from dangerous government.

Couldn't have stopped in Mexico?

Swordsmyth
12-27-2018, 09:16 PM
Think last the politics of this. Think about the implications of what you actually see there.
What does 1.4 Million deaths look like? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?188321-What-does-1-4-Million-deaths-look-like)

acptulsa
12-27-2018, 09:19 PM
The media tentacles are wide reaching. Our CIA and the nefarious state department has it's hands all over the place.

Well, you aren't the only person in this thread stating SWAGs as fact.

euphemia
12-27-2018, 09:20 PM
Like I said- pray YOU never have to head into the abyss to save a child or grandparent from dangerous government.

Your politics is coloring your judgement. Inviting them into the country supposedly oppressing them is the last thing that should happen.

UWDude
12-27-2018, 09:25 PM
Your politics is coloring your judgement. Inviting them into the country supposedly oppressing them is the last thing that should happen.

LOL IKR this board. SMDH.

euphemia
12-27-2018, 09:29 PM
LOL IKR this board. SMDH.

Sorry, I’m a fat little grandma. I take that to mean you agree with me?

These are not family units traveling together. These are young men who will be isolated by their language and illiteracy forever. What families they left behind will never hear from them again. Most of them look too old to go to school. They are coming with the limited skills set they have.

UWDude
12-27-2018, 09:32 PM
Sorry, I’m a fat little grandma. I take that to mean you agree with me?

Yes.
This board is full of some of the most ridiculous, detached, pontificating blowhards I have ever seen.

To their credit, they are not mainstream media zombies... (besides zip of course) ...they just have incredibly active imaginations and ideas, that unfortunately, do not take reality into account.

euphemia
12-27-2018, 09:40 PM
Thank you. I’m looking at that picture and I’m wondering who are these guys going to marry? They aren’t bringing women with them. If they don’t have basic English reading and math skills. What will they do besides harvest crops?

And the new victimization happening here is that non English-speaking construction workers are being robbed and beaten because it is assumed they are carrying a lot of cash.

There is no way to import this many functionally illiterate people and have an orderly society.

Better to insist our government withdraw from nation building or whatever skullduggery is going on and let countries rebuild themselves.

Ender
12-27-2018, 09:56 PM
Yes.
This board is full of some of the most ridiculous, detached, pontificating blowhards I have ever seen.

To their credit, they are not mainstream media zombies... (besides zip of course) ...they just have incredibly active imaginations and ideas, that unfortunately, do not take reality into account.

Here's some reality for you- time for some edumacation:


The Cold War Against Cuba Changed us
By Jacob G. Hornberger

The Future of Freedom Foundation

May 7, 2015

During the 1950s and 1960s, the CIA made multiple attempts to assassinate Cuba’s ruler, Fidel Castro. Let’s assume that the CIA had succeeded and that Castro had been shot dead on the streets of Havana.

It’s not difficult to imagine what U.S. national-security state officials would be saying today: “If we hadn’t assassinated Castro, the United States would have fallen to the communists and, today, Fidel and his brother would be running the IRS, Social Security, Medicare, public schooling, and other socialist programs owned and operated by the U.S. government.”

Soon after Castro took power on January 1, 1959, when President Eisenhower was still in office, and continually through the Kennedy administration, the CIA steadfastly maintained that a communist-ruled Cuba was a grave threat to U.S. “national security” — a communist dagger situated 90 miles away from American shores and pointed directly at the United States.

It was all a Cold War farce, one that served as one of the biggest protection rackets in history — one by which the national-security establishment was able to keep the American people in a constant, never-ending state of anxiety, fear, and depression, which assured ever-increasing budgets and power for what Ike called the “military-industrial complex” and what has ultimately become known as the “national-security establishment.”

How do we know it was all a farce? Because they didn’t succeed in assassinating Castro and yet the United States is still standing! Sure, we’ve got the same types of socialist and interventionist programs that Castro has in Cuba — income taxation, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, economic regulations, a Federal Reserve, etc. — but that’s not because Castro conquered the United States but rather because Americans love socialism and interventionism as much as Castro does.

What difference did it make to the American people that Cuba was ruled by a self-avowed communist? It didn’t make any difference at all. The plain truth is that under Castro, Cuba never initiated any acts of aggression toward the United States. Castro’s own national-security establishment never invaded the United States. It never tried to assassinate U.S. officials. It never initiated acts of terrorism inside the United States.

The only reason that U.S. officials ultimately decided to list Cuba as an official “sponsor of terrorism” was because of Castro’s support of insurgencies in other Latin American countries in which people were trying to oust U.S.-supported right-wing dictatorships, much like the brutal U.S.-supported Fulgencio Batista dictatorship that Castro succeeded in ousting from power in Cuba.

Throughout the Cold War and beyond, the CIA issued severe warnings about the danger that other Latin American countries would end up with communist regimes. It was all a farce too. It wouldn’t have made any difference to the United States if every other Latin American country went communist. That’s because there was never any possibility that Latin American countries were ever going to mount up their military forces and invade, conquer, and occupy the United States.

Consider all the Latin American countries that have gone leftist — including many of the ones that the CIA was so concerned with during the Cold War. Nicaragua, Bolivia, Venezuela, Brazil, Chile, and more. Do you see them mobilizing their armies to invade the United States? It’s a ridiculous notion. And it was a ridiculous notion throughout the Cold War.

That’s not to say, of course, that it’s beneficial for people to live under a socialist or communist regime. That’s where libertarians part company with leftists. Living in Cuba, Venezuela, or other socialist regime is pure misery from an economic standpoint and a civil-liberties standpoint. But the fact is that such regimes never had any interest (or financial means — they were too broke) to even think of invading, conquering, and occupying the United States.

What all too many Americans have still not confronted is what the adoption of the national-security apparatus did to our country — in the name of the anti-communist crusade.

In the post-9/11 era, Americans are now fully accustomed to assassination. Most everyone accepts the fact that the CIA assassinates people with regularity and with impunity and immunity. It’s become a normal part of America’s governmental structure, justified as part of the “war on terrorism,” a war, we are told, is certain to last longer than the Cold War. It’s just another great big protection racket, one designed to maintain the Pentagon, the CIA, the NSA, and the entire national-security apparatus in high cotton for the indefinite future.

The CIA has been an assassination machine practically since its inception. In its 1954 regime-change operation in Guatemala, for example, the CIA had a kill list of Guatemalan officials who were to be assassinated. There were the multiple assassination attempts against Castro. There were the plans to assassinate Rafael Trujillo, the ruler in the Dominican Republic. There was Operation Phoenix in Vietnam. There was the kidnapping-assassination of Gen. Rene Schneider of Chile. There were the assassinations of Americans Charles Horman and Frank Teruggi. There was the CIA’s partnership in Operation Condor, one of the biggest assassination rings in history, one that assassinated former Chilean official Orlando Letelier and his young assistant Ronni Moffitt on the streets of Washington, D.C. And as the mounting circumstantial evidence has inexorably disclosed, there was the assassination of President Kennedy, on grounds of “national security,” as I detail in my book .

At one time, CIA assassinations were kept secret or “covert.” That’s because most people recognized assassination for what it was — murder. Even President Lyndon Johnson, who wasn’t exactly the paragon of political virtue, called the CIA’s assassination program a “Murder Inc.”

And that’s precisely what assassination is– murder. What right, either moral or legal, did the U.S. government have to assassinate Fidel Castro or any other leftist ruler? From where did that authority come? It certainly didn’t come with the Constitution, which doesn’t authorize either a CIA, assassination, or regime-change operations. Under what moral, religious, legal, or constitutional authority did the U.S. national-security state murder people because of their political or economic philosophy?

Throughout the Cold War, Americans weren’t supposed to ask those types of questions. They were expected to defer to the national-security establishment. Conscience, reason, and independent thinking were submerged to the judgment of the national-security state. The citizen’s creed became: Assassination is normal and necessary. Our national-security state officials know what’s best. Trust them. Don’t ask questions. Secrecy must be maintained. “National security” is at stake.

The grafting of a national-security apparatus onto America’s founding governmental system was the worst mistake in the history of the United States, for in the name of protecting “national security” from Fidel Castro and communism, it moved America in the direction of the socialist and totalitarian regimes it was opposing.

How ironic that we now live in a society that has adopted the same socialist and interventionist programs found in Cuba and that why we now live in a society in which the government wields the omnipotent power to torture and assassinate its own people and others. How ironic that modern-day Americans celebrate their socialism, interventionism, assassinations, torture, coups, invasions, regime-changes, and their entire welfare-warfare state as “freedom.”
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Ender
12-27-2018, 09:58 PM
Your politics is coloring your judgement. Inviting them into the country supposedly oppressing them is the last thing that should happen.

I never stated that they should be invited.

I stand with Ron Paul: No entitlements.

Swordsmyth
12-27-2018, 09:58 PM
The media tentacles are wide reaching. Our CIA and the nefarious state department has it's hands all over the place.


Well, you aren't the only person in this thread stating SWAGs as fact.

The father of an 8-year-old Guatemalan boy who died in U.S. custody took his son to the border after hearing rumors that parents and their children would be allowed to migrate to the United States and escape the poverty in their homeland, the boy's stepsister told The Associated Press.

"We heard rumors that they could pass (into the United States). They said they could pass with the children," said Catarina Gomez Lucas, the boy's 21-year-old stepsister, explaining why Felipe and his father, Agustin Gomez, made the dangerous journey.

Gomez Lucas would not say who spread the rumors or who transported the father and son to the border from Yalambojoch in Huehuetenango province, a poor community of returnees from Mexico who had fled Guatemala in the bloodiest years of that country's 1960-1996 civil war. The stepsister spoke to the AP on Wednesday by telephone from Yalambojoch.

The Trump administration has long argued smugglers capitalize on vulnerable parents because of "loopholes" in American law, such as anti-trafficking legislation passed in 2008 that effectively prevents the immediate deportations of Central American children.
After hearing the rumors, Agustin Gomez thought he should take advantage of "the opportunity" to fulfill his son's dreams. He grabbed a few changes of clothing, bought the boy new shoes and left with what money he had, Gomez Lucas said.
Felipe "always wanted a bicycle," and in the U.S. he wouldn't have to endure the poverty and lack of opportunity in Guatemala, she said.

More at: https://news.yahoo.com/father-dead-guatemalan-boy-heard-rumors-could-cross-184431303.html

Economic migrants fueled by "rumors" of American welfare and open borders.

Swordsmyth
12-27-2018, 09:59 PM
Here's some reality for you- time for some edumacation:
I'm sorry but Cuba is much more communist than the US, you should try moving there.

UWDude
12-27-2018, 10:00 PM
Here's some reality for you- time for some edumacation:

See what I mean?
Ender here has absolutely no grasp on reality.

He posts a giant Tl:DR, whilst knowing fully well that I do not have a a single ounce of respect for him, or his vows of poverty,m or his stupid opinions.

But, in his idealistic idiocy, he still posts it, as if....

Swordsmyth
12-27-2018, 10:02 PM
I never stated that they should be invited.

I stand with Ron Paul: No entitlements.
Open borders policy is an invitation, they will come for the wealth and vote for the entitlements.

UWDude
12-27-2018, 10:02 PM
No entitlements.

Oh good for you. What a solution.

Now, end all entitlements, ender. Go for it!

Easy solution, right?

Why doesn't anybody ever listen to you?

You have all the answers!

Ender
12-27-2018, 10:03 PM
See what I mean?
Ender here has absolutely no grasp on reality.

He posts a giant Tl:DR, whilst knowing fully well that I do not have a a single ounce of respect for him, or his vows of poverty,m or his stupid opinions.

But, in his idealistic idiocy, he still posts it, as if....

I'm sorry if Jacob G. Hornberger is too difficult for your reading abilities.

Swordsmyth
12-27-2018, 10:03 PM
Oh good for you. What a solution.

Now, end all entitlements, ender. Go for it!

Easy solution, right?

Why doesn't anybody ever listen to you?

You have all the answers!
I'm sure that all of the people who are flooding into the US for the entitlements will vote to end them, we just have to ask them nicely.:sarcasm:

UWDude
12-27-2018, 10:04 PM
I'm sure that all of the people who are flooding into the US for the entitlements will vote to end them, we just have to ask them nicely.:sarcasm:

They aren't here for the entitlements, they are here to work hard, that is why ending entitlements will stop them from coming in.

UWDude
12-27-2018, 10:05 PM
I'm sorry if Jacob G. Hornberger is too difficult for your reading abilities.

More reality disconnect:

Ender tries to name drop a nobody, as if I care who Jacob G. Hornberger is.

I don't.

Dr.3D
12-27-2018, 10:07 PM
They aren't here for the entitlements, they are here to work hard, that is why ending entitlements will stop them from coming in.

:confused:

Swordsmyth
12-27-2018, 10:08 PM
:confused:
That's the two things the same people keep telling me, they just don't put them together like that.

Swordsmyth
12-27-2018, 10:10 PM
If this guy was an American who let his child die by refusing medical treatment for him he would be charged with a crime, how come he gets off scot free?

Dr.3D
12-27-2018, 10:20 PM
That's the two things the same people keep telling me, they just don't put them together like that.
Oh, okay, I was just reading it and thought it contradicted itself.

euphemia
12-27-2018, 10:20 PM
I don't think we personally owe Guatemalans. I THINK we outta stop being hypocrites about why so many S Americans are poor & starving

How many people in that picture above look to be poor and starving? The ones showing up at the border have modern clothes, look well fed, have modern haircuts and backpacks. They have modern technology. They are not the ones who show up and have to be shown how to use a stove or washer. They have access to many things in South America. They don’t beat their clothes on rocks along the river,

AdamL
12-27-2018, 10:24 PM
Thank you. I’m looking at that picture and I’m wondering who are these guys going to marry? They aren’t bringing women with them. If they don’t have basic English reading and math skills. What will they do besides harvest crops?

And the new victimization happening here is that non English-speaking construction workers are being robbed and beaten because it is assumed they are carrying a lot of cash.

There is no way to import this many functionally illiterate people and have an orderly society.

Better to insist our government withdraw from nation building or whatever skullduggery is going on and let countries rebuild themselves.

We have plenty of white girls here for them to rape marry!

https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5822/21370416141_793e1b323e_b.jpg

Swordsmyth
12-27-2018, 10:27 PM
How many people in that picture above look to be poor and starving? The ones showing up at the border have modern clothes, look well fed, have modern haircuts and backpacks. They have modern technology. They are not the ones who show up and have to be shown how to use a stove or washer. They have access to many things in South America. They don’t beat their clothes on rocks along the river,
Exactly, the violence they aren't fleeing from is over hyped as well, you could look at Chicago and Baltimore and claim that Americans should qualify for asylum in other countries too.

Dr.3D
12-27-2018, 10:51 PM
I wonder if the results of the autopsy will be reported. I have to wonder what really killed those two kids.

Working Poor
12-28-2018, 09:15 AM
Show me where I said it was the fault of American people? People making $#@! up and building their straw men.

I was simply pointing out the bad taste in feeling anything but bad about a child dying, no matter fault. Do you have children?

I was simply pointing out that a lot of children die and it doesn't make front page news. Of course it is sad when a child dies. It is also sad when a young mother or father dies in a car accident or fighting some God forsaken war in some #h!+hole country.

Why did this particular death make the news? Do you not think it made the news to shame Americans?

I am a human with empathy and sympathy for all life. I care that a child died. But I did not rip that child from his home ad embark on a 1000 mile journey his parents did. I also care that my 38 year old veteran neighbor died a few days before Thanks Giving of a fast acting cancer leaving his wife and 3 children penniless right before the holidays. That didn't make front page news either. I can help his family thank God but I can't do a thing to help the family of the child that died at the border.

I don't trust the motives of the mainstream news with this article. Next we will be hearing about the Clinton's setting up a fund to help the families of children who died at the border.

nobody's_hero
12-28-2018, 04:34 PM
I was simply pointing out that a lot of children die and it doesn't make front page news. Of course it is sad when a child dies. It is also sad when a young mother or father dies in a car accident or fighting some God forsaken war in some #h!+hole country.

Why did this particular death make the news? Do you not think it made the news to shame Americans?

I am a human with empathy and sympathy for all life. I care that a child died. But I did not rip that child from his home ad embark on a 1000 mile journey his parents did. I also care that my 38 year old veteran neighbor died a few days before Thanks Giving of a fast acting cancer leaving his wife and 3 children penniless right before the holidays. That didn't make front page news either. I can help his family thank God but I can't do a thing to help the family of the child that died at the border.

I don't trust the motives of the mainstream news with this article. Next we will be hearing about the Clinton's setting up a fund to help the families of children who died at the border.

Same here. I help where I can, when I can. But I'm not ambitious enough offer to hold Earth for Atlas so to take some of the strain off his shoulders.


I've seen open-borders advocates here claim that we can support this influx of new people with needs. I've always thought that a bit naïve, but whatever. Nothing is stopping them from starting up GoFundMe's for medical care for these folks, if they feel that strongly about it. Hell there's a damned Go-Fund-Me for the wall. Up to $17 million in 11 days. One could argue that the republicans are making the libertarians look bad.

Put your money where your mouths are. Then you can try your best to shame folks.

UWDude
12-28-2018, 11:46 PM
Put your money where your mouths are. Then you can try your best to shame folks.

That's where the idealists always fail.
They tell everyone else how they think they should be acting, so the world can conform to their idealist views, instead of realizing making a change in reality is not a choice, it is the only choice. You can not change things in idealistic world where people all learn to act and believe a certain way; it doesn't exist, and never will.

It is never, ever going to happen. We are beings of chaos. People do the damndest things.

Zippyjuan
12-29-2018, 03:00 PM
It is the Democrat's fault that kids in US custody under Trump have died.

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We do already have 650 miles of border wall including San Diego where the caravan arrived and the first child died. When you take somebody into custody, you are the one now responsible for their well-being.

Slave Mentality
12-29-2018, 03:07 PM
I was simply pointing out that a lot of children die and it doesn't make front page news. Of course it is sad when a child dies. It is also sad when a young mother or father dies in a car accident or fighting some God forsaken war in some #h!+hole country.

Why did this particular death make the news? Do you not think it made the news to shame Americans?

I am a human with empathy and sympathy for all life. I care that a child died. But I did not rip that child from his home ad embark on a 1000 mile journey his parents did. I also care that my 38 year old veteran neighbor died a few days before Thanks Giving of a fast acting cancer leaving his wife and 3 children penniless right before the holidays. That didn't make front page news either. I can help his family thank God but I can't do a thing to help the family of the child that died at the border.

I don't trust the motives of the mainstream news with this article. Next we will be hearing about the Clinton's setting up a fund to help the families of children who died at the border.


I am with you on that. We are constantly being propogandized and this whole border thing is just another bit of it.