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Swordsmyth
12-18-2018, 03:41 PM
The United States pledged $5.8 billion in aid and investment Tuesday for strengthening government and economic development in Central America, and another $4.8 billion in development aid for southern Mexico. The U.S aid aims to promote better security conditions and job opportunities as part of a regional plan to allow Central Americans and Mexicans to remain in their countries and not have to emigrate.
The plan was announced in a joint U.S.-Mexican statement released by the State Department and read aloud by Mexican Foreign Relations Secretary Marcelo Ebrard in the Mexican capital.
“In sum I think this is good news, very good news for Mexico,” Ebrard said.
Newly inaugurated President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador waxed poetic about the plan to provide jobs so people won’t have to emigrate.
“I have a dream that I want to see become a reality ... that nobody will want to go work in the United States anymore,” Lopez Obrador said at a morning news conference before the announcement.
The combination of public and private investment for the stay-at-home effort doesn’t require congressional approval, unlike Trump’s signature project to stem illegal immigration — a border wall.
The U.S. State Department issued a simultaneous statement saying “The United States is committing $5.8 billion through public and private investment to promote institutional reforms and development in the Northern Triangle,” a term that refers to Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador.
Lopez Obrador’s administration has said it is also interested in agricultural, forestry and tourism projects in southern Mexico, and the U.S. said it will contribute to those efforts.
The U.S. Overseas Private Investment Corporation “is prepared to invest and mobilize $2 billion in additional funds for projects in southern Mexico that are viable and attract private sector investment,” according to the statement. “This amount is in addition to the $2.8 billion in projects for Mexico through OPIC’s current investment pipeline.”
Ebrard said “The commitments established here signify more than doubling foreign investment in southern Mexico starting in 2019.”
Southern states like Chiapas and Oaxaca are home to many of Mexico’s poorest communities. Lopez Obrador, who took office Dec. 1, has sought to make development in that region a priority, including plans for a “Mayan train” stretching from touristy parts of the Yucatan Peninsula down to Chiapas.
It was unclear if Mexico would give anything in return. A planned announcement about Mexico’s migration policy was postponed until Wednesday.

More at: https://apnews.com/0fcda32812024680ad98676379c47233

Origanalist
12-18-2018, 06:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/wall-funding-drudge--600x332.jpg

Danke
12-18-2018, 06:18 PM
" ... that nobody will want to go work in the United States anymore".

lol, like that is why they come.

Origanalist
12-18-2018, 06:18 PM
Wow! US Government Announces $10.6 Billion in Aid to Mexico and Central America — But ZERO DOLLARS for Border Wall

This comes on the same day White House spokesperson Sarah Sanders announced there will be no shutdown over border wall funding.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/12/wow-us-government-announces-10-6-billion-in-aid-to-mexico-and-central-america-but-zero-dollars-for-border-wall/

Origanalist
12-18-2018, 06:23 PM
It was unclear if Mexico would give anything in return. A planned announcement about Mexico’s migration policy was postponed until Wednesday.


They're going to pay for the wall.....duh.

Swordsmyth
12-18-2018, 06:24 PM
Wow! US Government Announces $10.6 Billion in Aid to Mexico and Central America — But ZERO DOLLARS for Border Wall

This comes on the same day White House spokesperson Sarah Sanders announced there will be no shutdown over border wall funding.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/12/wow-us-government-announces-10-6-billion-in-aid-to-mexico-and-central-america-but-zero-dollars-for-border-wall/
Sanders also said Trump was looking at other sources of funding for the wall. (like the military budget)

Origanalist
12-18-2018, 06:27 PM
Sanders also said Trump was looking at other sources of funding for the wall. (like the military budget)

Oh! Well, never mind then.

Suzanimal
12-18-2018, 06:30 PM
I was listening to a "conservative" talk show host on the way home form work yesterday and his idea was to build the wall AND double the foreign welfare because, he thought, if we give them more money we can prevent immigrants because their countries will be better. :rolleyes:

I was reminded of why I don't listen to talk radio.

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Anti Globalist
12-18-2018, 06:40 PM
Better idea: NO FOREIGN AID TO ANY COUNTRIES!!!!!!!

Swordsmyth
12-18-2018, 06:45 PM
Better idea: NO FOREIGN AID TO ANY COUNTRIES!!!!!!!
That would be much better but Trump is attempting to pay our southern neighbors to guard our border with funds Congress doesn't control since they won't pay for us to do it ourselves.

Origanalist
12-18-2018, 06:47 PM
That would be much better but Trump is attempting to pay our southern neighbors to guard our border with funds Congress doesn't control since they won't pay for us to do it ourselves.

Wow, he said that? He's pretty clever that guy.

Swordsmyth
12-18-2018, 06:56 PM
Wow, he said that? He's pretty clever that guy.
He asked Mexico to do various things like closing their southern border and they have begun to do some of them but they demanded more foreign aid for themselves and for other S. American countries in return.

If Congress would pay for proper border security and fix our broken immigration laws we could secure our own border and tell them to go pound sand.

oyarde
12-18-2018, 07:08 PM
End all foreign aid .

Swordsmyth
12-18-2018, 07:11 PM
End all foreign aid .
That would be best.

Origanalist
12-18-2018, 07:13 PM
He asked Mexico to do various things like closing their southern border and they have begun to do some of them but they demanded more foreign aid for themselves and for other S. American countries in return.

If Congress would pay for proper border security and fix our broken immigration laws we could secure our own border and tell them to go pound sand.

Well, I'm sure they will gladly police they're southern border even if we don't give them money, what other things have they begun to do?

TheCount
12-18-2018, 07:20 PM
That would be much better but Trump is attempting to pay our southern neighbors to guard our border with funds Congress doesn't control since they won't pay for us to do it ourselves.

Tell us more about these funds that Congress doesn't control.

Swordsmyth
12-18-2018, 07:20 PM
Well, I'm sure they will gladly police they're southern border even if we don't give them money,
They weren't, they were happily enabling the migrants to pass through their territory with only token border/migration control because they knew that they were all headed for the US.



what other things have they begun to do?
They have been offering to give the migrants residence and work permits in Mexico.

Swordsmyth
12-18-2018, 07:23 PM
Tell us more about these funds that Congress doesn't control.
They already gave the money to the state department to be handed out as foreign aid as the state department sees fit so they no longer control their use.

Origanalist
12-18-2018, 07:32 PM
They weren't, they were happily enabling the migrants to pass through their territory with only token border/migration control because they knew that they were all headed for the US.



They have been offering to give the migrants residence and work permits in Mexico.

Only because they knew they were headed for the US. Isn't it true they have a pretty strict immigration policy otherwise in regards to their southern border?


They have been offering to give the migrants residence and work permits in Mexico

Ya, well, they let them in, what are they going to do now?

Swordsmyth
12-18-2018, 07:36 PM
Only because they knew they were headed for the US. Isn't it true they have a pretty strict immigration policy otherwise in regards to their southern border?
Yes but now they aren't going to let them through just because they are headed here. (or at least that is supposed to be the deal)




Ya, well, they let them in, what are they going to do now?
They could encourage them to cross our border and refuse to let them stay and work in Mexico.



I'm not in favor of this deal, I'm just explaining it and pointing out that Trump is doing it because Congress won't fix our immigration problems.

Origanalist
12-18-2018, 07:40 PM
Yes but now they aren't going to let them through just because they are headed here. (or at least that is supposed to be the deal)




They could encourage them to cross our border and refuse to let them stay and work in Mexico.



I'm not in favor of this deal, I'm just explaining it and pointing out that Trump is doing it because Congress won't fix our immigration problems.

You're saying that's what he's doing, is there anything to back this up other than conjecture?

Swordsmyth
12-18-2018, 07:43 PM
You're saying that's what he's doing, is there anything to back this up other than conjecture?
His demands of Mexico and their counter demands followed by their actions and this foreign aid.

enhanced_deficit
12-18-2018, 07:57 PM
Besides Dems and Pelosi, MAGA and his son-in-law Kushner's leadership has played a pivotal role in strengthening ties between our neighborly nations. Hats off to this bipartisan team work in helping our neighbors in their hour of economic need using US taxpayers aid.

OP, no biggie but looks like you missed important related news about key GOP-Adelson wing leadership shaping these relations and trade/aid packages behind the scenes.

Mexico's President gives Jared Kushner their nation’s greatest award for saving NAFTA (renamed USMCA) (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528658-All-Trump-voters-are-racist&p=6714982&viewfull=1#post6714982)

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/97fee2f03ad98b1a62f5cf35444816789cf95bd3/c=310-0-5259-3712/local/-/media/2018/11/30/DetroitNews/B99725479Z.1_20181130105237_000_GE229H97E.2-0.jpg?width=534&height=401&fit=crop

The Order of the Aztec Eagle, issued by Mexico to foreigners who make a significant contribution to the country

November 30, 2018

Kushner was inducted into the Order of the Aztec Eagle. It’s an honour reserved for foreigners who make a significant contribution to Mexico’s wellbeing. In this case, it was for a trade agreement.

The USMCA agreement — which replaces the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) dumped by President Trump — is expected to be signed at the G20 meeting of world leaders in Argentina.
He was a “grand ally of Mexico”, President Peña Nieto declared at the announcement, which elevates Kushner to the same league as Bill Gates, Queen Elizabeth II, Walt Disney and Nelson Mandela.

Kushner deserved recognition for “his significant contributions in achieving the renegotiation … avoiding a unilateral departure by the US from the treaty”.




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Origanalist
12-18-2018, 08:28 PM
Besides Dems and Pelosi, MAGA and his son-in-law Kushner's leadership has played a pivotal role in strengthening ties between our neighborly nations. Hats off to this bipartisan team work in helping our neighbors in their hour of economic need using US taxpayers aid.

OP, no biggie but looks like you missed important related news about key GOP-Adelson wing leadership shaping these relations and trade/aid packages behind the scenes.

Mexico's President gives Jared Kushner their nation’s greatest award for saving NAFTA (renamed USMCA) (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528658-All-Trump-voters-are-racist&p=6714982&viewfull=1#post6714982)

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/97fee2f03ad98b1a62f5cf35444816789cf95bd3/c=310-0-5259-3712/local/-/media/2018/11/30/DetroitNews/B99725479Z.1_20181130105237_000_GE229H97E.2-0.jpg?width=534&height=401&fit=crop

The Order of the Aztec Eagle, issued by Mexico to foreigners who make a significant contribution to the country

November 30, 2018

Kushner was inducted into the Order of the Aztec Eagle. It’s an honour reserved for foreigners who make a significant contribution to Mexico’s wellbeing. In this case, it was for a trade agreement.

The USMCA agreement — which replaces the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) dumped by President Trump — is expected to be signed at the G20 meeting of world leaders in Argentina.
He was a “grand ally of Mexico”, President Peña Nieto declared at the announcement, which elevates Kushner to the same league as Bill Gates, Queen Elizabeth II, Walt Disney and Nelson Mandela.

Kushner deserved recognition for “his significant contributions in achieving the renegotiation … avoiding a unilateral departure by the US from the treaty”.




Related

U.S. to give $38 billion aid to Israel (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529405-U-S-to-give-38-billion-aid-to-Israel&)

Tucker Carlson: Why Is Congress Happy To Pay For Walls In Israel But Not On The U.S. Border? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529333-Full-Schumer-We-should-not-let-a-temper-tantrum-shut-down-government-Meet-The-Press&p=6722012&viewfull=1#post6722012)
December 18, 2018

More big bang level chess.

Champ
12-18-2018, 09:14 PM
Wow! US Government Announces $10.6 Billion in Aid to Mexico and Central America — But ZERO DOLLARS for Border Wall


Speaking of which, what happened to the slashing/ending of foreign aid to Honduras, Guatemala, and Mexico if they refused to handle the caravans? Haven't heard many updates about that.

Pauls' Revere
12-18-2018, 09:21 PM
End all foreign aid .

Start with OPIC, an additional 2 Billion is coming through them.

https://www.opic.gov/

The Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC) is a self-sustaining U.S. Government agency that helps American businesses invest in emerging markets. Established in 1971, OPIC provides businesses with the tools to manage the risks associated with foreign direct investment, fosters economic development in emerging market countries, and advances U.S. foreign policy and national security priorities. OPIC helps American businesses gain footholds in new markets, catalyzes new revenues and contributes to jobs and growth opportunities both at home and abroad. OPIC fulfills its mission by providing businesses with financing, political risk insurance, advocacy and by partnering with private equity investment fund managers.

https://bdnews24.com/world/americas/2018/12/19/us-pledges-billions-in-aid-to-develop-central-america-curb-migration

Mexican Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard said the United States is committing $5.8 billion toward development in Central America. It is also increasing public and private investment in Mexico by $4.8 billion via the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC), $2 billion of which is set to go to the south.

I guess this money just isn't worth spending in the USA?

Pauls' Revere
12-18-2018, 09:32 PM
Speaking of which, what happened to the slashing/ending of foreign aid to Honduras, Guatemala, and Mexico if they refused to handle the caravans? Haven't heard many updates about that.

This is all B.S. I plan on leaving the USA when it becomes feasible.

Swordsmyth
12-18-2018, 09:34 PM
This is all B.S. I plan on leaving the USA when it becomes feasible.
What other country do you think will be better and why?

Pauls' Revere
12-18-2018, 09:41 PM
What other country do you think will be better and why?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevis

1998 referendum
See also: Nevis independence referendum, 1998

A referendum on secession from the Federation of St. Kitts and Nevis was held in 1998. Although 62% voted in favor of a secession, a two-thirds majority would have been necessary for the referendum to succeed.

but, still looking...

Swordsmyth
12-18-2018, 09:50 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevis

1998 referendum
See also: Nevis independence referendum, 1998

A referendum on secession from the Federation of St. Kitts and Nevis was held in 1998. Although 62% voted in favor of a secession, a two-thirds majority would have been necessary for the referendum to succeed.

but, still looking...
Do they have anything like the Bill of Rights?

Pauls' Revere
12-18-2018, 09:59 PM
Do they have anything like the Bill of Rights?

Chapter 2 – Protection of Fundamental Rights and Freedoms

Chapter II of the constitution is a Bill of rights for the citizens of the nation. It contains fifteen provisions which specify such rights as a right to life, protection from slavery or forced labour, protection of personal property, freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, and similar rights. The next five provisions concern circumstances of emergency under which some of the previously enumerated rights may be derogated.[13]
Chapter 3 – The Governor-General

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Saint_Kitts_and_Nevis

Swordsmyth
12-18-2018, 10:02 PM
Chapter 2 – Protection of Fundamental Rights and Freedoms

Chapter II of the constitution is a Bill of rights for the citizens of the nation. It contains fifteen provisions which specify such rights as a right to life, protection from slavery or forced labour, protection of personal property, freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, and similar rights. The next five provisions concern circumstances of emergency under which some of the previously enumerated rights may be derogated.[13]
Chapter 3 – The Governor-General

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Saint_Kitts_and_Nevis
I'd like to read the actual document because I don't see a right to keep and bear arms and I see provisions for derogating the right mentioned.

Derogation
Derogation is the partial suppression of a law, as opposed to abrogation—total abolition of a law by explicit repeal—and obrogation—the partial or total modification or repeal of a law by the imposition of a later and contrary one. The term is used in canon law, civil law, and common law.More at Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derogation)

Pauls' Revere
12-18-2018, 11:04 PM
I'd like to read the actual document because I don't see a right to keep and bear arms and I see provisions for derogating the right mentioned.

Derogation
Derogation is the partial suppression of a law, as opposed to abrogation—total abolition of a law by explicit repeal—and obrogation—the partial or total modification or repeal of a law by the imposition of a later and contrary one. The term is used in canon law, civil law, and common law.More at Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derogation)


http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Constitutions/Kitts/kitts83.html

Swordsmyth
12-18-2018, 11:36 PM
http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Constitutions/Kitts/kitts83.html
I don't see a right to keep and bear arms or some of the other important parts of the Bill of Rights and I see lots of loopholes:


the provisions of this Chapter shall have effect for the purpose of affording protection to those rights and freedoms subject to such limitations of that protection as are contained in those provisions, being limitations designed to ensure that the enjoyment of those rights and freedoms by any person does not impair the rights and freedoms of others or the public interest.

A person shall not be deprived of his personal liberty save as may be authorized by law in any of the following cases, that is to say-
f) upon reasonable suspicion of his having committed, or being about to commit, a criminal offence under any law;
i) in the case of a person who is, or is reasonably suspected to be, of unsound mind, addicted to drugs or alcohol, or a vagrant, for the purpose of his case or treatment or the protection of the community;

(2) No person shall be required to perform forced labour.

(3) For the purposes of this section, the expression "forced labour" does not include-

d) any labour required during any period of public emergency or in the event of any accident or natural calamity that threatens the life and well-being of the community, to the extent that the requiring of such labour is reasonably justifiable in the circumstances of any situation arising or existing during that period or as a result of that accident or natural calamity, for the purpose of dealing with that situation.

9.- (1) Except with his own consent, a person shall not be subject to the search of his person or his property or the entry by others on his premises.

(2) Nothing contained in or done under the authority of any law shall be held to be inconsistent with or in contravention of this section to the extent that the law in question makes provision-

a) that is reasonably required in the interests of defence, public safety, public order, public morality, public health, town and country planning, the development and utilization of mineral resources or the development or utilization of any property for a purpose beneficial to the community;


11.- (1) Except with his own consent, a person shall not be hindered in the enjoyment of his freedom of conscience, including freedom of thought and of religion, freedom to change his religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others, and both in public and in private, to manifest and propagate his religion or belief in worship, teaching, practice and observance.

(2) Except with his own consent (or, if he is a person under the age of eighteen years, the consent of a person who is his parent or guardian) a person attending any place of education, detained in any prison or corrective institution or serving in a defence force shall not be required to receive religious instruction or to take part in or attend any religious ceremony or observance if that instruction, ceremony or observance relates to a religion that is not his own.

(3) Every religious community shall be entitled, at its own expense, to establish and maintain places of education and to manage any place of education that it wholly maintains and such a community shall not be prevented from providing religious instruction for persons of that community in the course of any education that it wholly maintains or in the course of any education that it otherwise provides.

(4) A person shall not be compelled to take any oath that is contrary to his religion or belief or to take any oath in a manner that is contrary to his religion or belief.

(5) Nothing contained in or done under the authority of any law shall be held to be inconsistent with or in contravention of this section to the extent that the law in question makes provisions that is reasonably required-

a) in the interests of defence, public safety, public order, public morality or public health;

c) for the purpose of regulating educational institutions in the interests of the persons who receive or may receive instruction in them,

and except so far as that provisions or, as the case may be, the thing done under the authority thereof is shown not to be reasonably justifiable in a democratic society.


12.- (1) Except with his own consent, a person shall not be hindered in the enjoyment of his freedom of expression, including freedom to hold opinions without interference, freedom to receive ideas and information without interference, freedom to communicate ideas and information without interference (whether the communication is to the public generally or to any person or class of persons) and freedom from interference with his correspondence.

(2) Nothing contained in or done under the authority of any law shall be held to be inconsistent with or in contravention of this section to the extent that the law in question makes provision-

a) that is reasonably required in the interests of defence, public safety, public order, public morality or public health;

b) that is reasonably required for the purpose of protecting the reputations, rights and freedoms of other persons of the private lives of persons concerned in legal proceedings, preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, maintaining the authority and independence of the courts or regulating telephony, telegraphy, posts, wireless broadcasting or television;

13.- (1) Except with his own consent, a person shall not be hindered in the enjoyment of his freedom of assembly and association, that is to say, his right to assembly freely and associate with other persons and in particular to form or belong to trade unions or other associations for the protection of his interests or to form or belong to political parties or other political associations.

(2) Nothing contained in or done under the authority of any law shall be held to be inconsistent with or in contravention of this section to the extent that the law in question makes provision-

a) that is reasonably required in the interests of defence, public safety, public order, public morality or public health;

14.- (1) A person shall not be deprived of his freedom of movement, that is to say, the right to move freely throughout Saint Christopher and Nevis, the right to reside in any part of Saint Christopher and Nevis, the right to enter Saint Christopher and Nevis, the right to leave Saint Christopher and Nevis and immunity from expulsion from Saint Christopher and Nevis.

(3) Nothing contained in or done under the authority of any law shall be held to be inconsistent with or in contravention of subsection (1) to the extent that the law in question makes provision-

a) for the imposition of restrictions on the movement or residence within Saint Christopher and Nevis of any person or on any person's right to leave Saint Christopher and Nevis that are reasonably required in the interests of defence, public safety or public order;

d) for the imposition of restriction on the acquisition or use by any person of land or other property in Saint Christopher and Nevis;

e) for the imposition of restrictions on the acquisition or use by any person of land or other property in Saint Christopher and Nevis;



There may be more but I wasn't being thorough.

Pauls' Revere
12-18-2018, 11:42 PM
Still looking...

If you find someplace, let us know.

Swordsmyth
12-18-2018, 11:47 PM
Still looking...

If you find someplace, let us know.
I'll let you know but I don't expect to find one, I think Reagan was right and America is the last stand on earth.

Pauls' Revere
12-19-2018, 09:07 PM
I'll let you know but I don't expect to find one, I think Reagan was right and America is the last stand on earth.

Unless something changes somewhere else? Say Scotland? or some other place that strikes out on their own?

Swordsmyth
12-19-2018, 09:13 PM
Unless something changes somewhere else? Say Scotland? or some other place that strikes out on their own?
That would be nice but I don't expect them to build on a foundation of liberty considering the current state of world wide political culture.

I expect to live and die in the US or remnants thereof, at least we have a faint cultural memory of real freedom, I plan to move to the best state I can find when possible.