Mastercard and Microsoft Have a Frightening Plan to Create Universal “Digital Identities”

[Swordsmyth]

Sometimes a business inadvertently drops the pretense and just tells the world its real intentions. We saw this yesterday, when Amazon bragged about (https://www.fastcompany.com/90276018/today-in-late-capitalism-woman-thanks-amazon-flex-for-allowing-her-to-lose-weight) how it “allowed” an employee to lose 100 pounds by endlessly delivering boxes. Amazon saw this as a heartwarming tale about how great it is to work for the e-commerce juggernaut. It completely missed the subtext: Who needs a gym when someone can physically labor for their corporate overlord and lose weight?

Now we have another, possibly darker example. Mastercard announced a new partnership with Microsoft that is tackling “digital identities.” Here’s how it described the project in a tweet:
Voting, driving, applying for a job, renting a home, getting married and boarding a plane: what do these all have in common? You need to prove your identity. In partnership with @Microsoft (https://twitter.com/Microsoft?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw), we are working to create universally-recognized digital identity. https://t.co/He5syqa5g7
— Mastercard News (@MastercardNews) December 3, 2018 (https://twitter.com/MastercardNews/status/1069601787852873728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

Essentially, the tweet described every action an adult human takes that is both highly intimate and requires sharing personal and confidential details. The companies are building a solution that would create a “universally-recognized digital identity.” To the corporations, this is a brilliant solution! To everyone else, it may feel more than a bit dystopian.
What this announcement seems to be describing is a streamlined identification system: a not-too-far-off world where people are identified under a universal protocol that checks in on them at various points during their lives–when they vote, when they get married, etc. It’s the kind of a citizen-check system a totalitarian regime could only dream of.

More at: https://www.fastcompany.com/90276216/mastercard-and-microsoft-announce-frightening-universal-id-partnership


Revelation
Chapter 13

11 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-13-11/)And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-13-12/)And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-13-13/)And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-13-14/)And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-13-15/)And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-13-16/)And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-13-17/)And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-13-18/)Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

[Danke]

MasterCard shuts down Robert Spencer’s Patreon account, offers no explanation.This is 'no doubt part of the ongoing efforts of the Left to deny all platforms to those who reject its agenda.'
http://caldronpool.com/mastercard-shuts-down-robert-spencers-patreon-account-offers-no-explanation/

[angelatc]

It completely missed the subtext: Who needs a gym when someone can physically labor for their corporate overlord and lose weight?


Millenials hate working, and I hate getting constantly reminded of that.

[DamianTV]

With zero Financial Privacy, there is absolutely NO LIMIT to what they can force you to do, or risk getting your microchip turned off and turned into a non-citizen / non-person.

Fixed Habits of Reaction to Authority. or else...

[devil21]

Bar-coded baby on front of 2019 Economist cover.

We've always been considered "commercial property" under the law (UCC), mostly unbeknownst to the general population. Now, they think people are sufficiently dumbed down and conditioned enough to accept openly being identified as "commercial property" via bar-coding or other "mark"ing.

[Slave Mentality]

With zero Financial Privacy, there is absolutely NO LIMIT to what they can force you to do, or risk getting your microchip turned off and turned into a non-citizen / non-person.

Fixed Habits of Reaction to Authority. or else...

It will all lead to citizen scoring systems like they are rolling out in China with the assistance of Google and other American companies.

[Anti Federalist]

It will all lead to citizen scoring systems like they are rolling out in China with the assistance of Google and other American companies.

Of course it is.

And everything else that everybody mentioned.

Now, just what the fuck is anybody gonna do about it?

The French people have had enough, they turned out in the streets and raised hell.

https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2018_49/2669171/181204-paris-protest-mc-1137_fdd63ff242e49c4a6c83b5a0f497b093.fit-760w.JPG

Enough so that the hated fuel tax was rescinded by the Macron government.

It is beyond time that "we" start doing the same thing and drop any further delusions of "civility".

This is fucking war, war for survival.

They want to make it hot for "our" people in their homes, in businesses and public life?

We need to make ten times hotter for MasterCard's CEO, for Zuckerberg, for Tim Cook, for Sundar Pichai all the rest of the modern day robber barons about unleash hell on earth.

Bleating platitudes about voting and "free" markets is helpless, hopeless and useless.

These people and millions more like them, will use the very system we're trying to protect to destroy us, invade us, displace us and exterminate us.

Wake the fuck up and fight back or die.

Those are the only two choices left.

[phill4paul]

Of course it is.

And everything else that everybody mentioned.

Now, just what the fuck is anybody gonna do about it?

The French people have had enough, they turned out in the streets and raised hell.

https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2018_49/2669171/181204-paris-protest-mc-1137_fdd63ff242e49c4a6c83b5a0f497b093.fit-760w.JPG

Enough so that the hated fuel tax was rescinded by the Macron government.

It is beyond time that "we" start doing the same thing and drop any further delusions of "civility".

This is fucking war, war for survival.

They want to make it hot for "our" people in their homes, in businesses and public life?

We need to make ten times hotter for MasterCard's CEO, for Zuckerberg, for Tim Cook, for Sundar Pichai all the rest of the modern day robber barons about unleash hell on earth.

Bleating platitudes about voting and "free" markets is helpless, hopeless and useless.

These people and millions more like them, will use the very system we're trying to protect to destroy us, invade us, displace us and exterminate us.

Wake the fuck up and fight back or die.

Those are the only two choices left.

It'll take a catalyst. It always does. Such as the Boston Massacre. Or the Frenchie enviro/gas tax. An event that sticks in the craw and builds quickly through viral social media. I know, I know, should have happened at fucking Waco. But, I believe an event is coming. Don't know where, when or why. But, it'll be something that will make thousands throw their guns in their cars and go. And those thousands will become tens of thousands. Bundy's Ranch wasn't it. But, I see it as a precursor. Something is coming that is going to release this pent up rage. I feel it like I feel the snow in the air.

[Schifference]

This is the way of the future.

Now that I am older I am finally beginning to accept things I cannot change. This is actually therapeutic and makes life less stressful.

[DamianTV]

The idea of Civil War scares the fuck out of me. Not because of the potential to finally do something about the Tyrants, but rather the people that are so pissed off they will destroy anything and everything because theyve been so confused and medicated by the Tyrants, they do not know where to direct their anger. The US, unlike France, is wholy a fucking mess. There will be so many people attacking so many other people and not having a clue as to where the real problems come from, it will be a miracle if we even survive. Worse yet, I swear the utter destruction of the US as a whole is a major part of the plan of the elite, to permanently wipe the very idea of Freedom from the pages of history, forever.

[Schifference]

The idea of Civil War scares the $#@! out of me. Not because of the potential to finally do something about the Tyrants, but rather the people that are so pissed off they will destroy anything and everything because theyve been so confused and medicated by the Tyrants, they do not know where to direct their anger. The US, unlike France, is wholy a $#@!ing mess. There will be so many people attacking so many other people and not having a clue as to where the real problems come from, it will be a miracle if we even survive. Worse yet, I swear the utter destruction of the US as a whole is a major part of the plan of the elite, to permanently wipe the very idea of Freedom from the pages of history, forever.

Yes that is a valid concern. Look what happens whenever the poor people perceive a misjustice. They burn buildings, loot their stores, damage cars........

[Grandmastersexsay]

I know it's fun to make things sound nefarious, but mastercard is probably just trying to fight identity theft, something that is rather costly for them.

[Schifference]

To think that in this technological era digital identity would not one day be realized would be short sighted.

[phill4paul]

The idea of Civil War scares the fuck out of me. Not because of the potential to finally do something about the Tyrants, but rather the people that are so pissed off they will destroy anything and everything because theyve been so confused and medicated by the Tyrants, they do not know where to direct their anger. The US, unlike France, is wholy a fucking mess. There will be so many people attacking so many other people and not having a clue as to where the real problems come from, it will be a miracle if we even survive. Worse yet, I swear the utter destruction of the US as a whole is a major part of the plan of the elite, to permanently wipe the very idea of Freedom from the pages of history, forever.

Not many choices then is there? Short of a world wide EMP.

[specsaregood]

The idea of Civil War scares the fuck out of me. Not because of the potential to finally do something about the Tyrants, but rather the people that are so pissed off they will destroy anything and everything because theyve been so confused and medicated by the Tyrants, they do not know where to direct their anger. The US, unlike France, is wholy a fucking mess. There will be so many people attacking so many other people and not having a clue as to where the real problems come from, it will be a miracle if we even survive. Worse yet, I swear the utter destruction of the US as a whole is a major part of the plan of the elite, to permanently wipe the very idea of Freedom from the pages of history, forever.

I have no idea why you would have the impression that France is any less of a "fucking mess" than the US.

[Schifference]

You Will Be Controlled:)

[shakey1]

Resistance is futile.:mouthopen:

[Bern]

Profiling people is big business for the data miners. I'm sure the NSA et. al. like it too.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-30/google-and-mastercard-cut-a-secret-ad-deal-to-track-retail-sales

[Mach]

Wow, to a tee.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNtAuCsIIxU

[Ender]

Profiling people is big business for the data miners. I'm sure the NSA et. al. like it too.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-30/google-and-mastercard-cut-a-secret-ad-deal-to-track-retail-sales

Pretty sure NSA/Gov is over all of this.

IMHPOV this is exactly what the whole phony immigration "invasion" is for. Everyone runs around w/their hands in the air over these "invaders" and then will accept anything the gov forces on the American people for their "protection".

[heavenlyboy34]

Millenials hate working, and I hate getting constantly reminded of that.

This is a dumb stereotype that comes from media echo chambers, not reality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HFwok9SlQQ&t=954s

[Swordsmyth]

I know it's fun to make things sound nefarious, but mastercard is probably just trying to fight identity theft, something that is rather costly for them.
:rolleyes:

[Anti Federalist]

Pretty sure NSA/Gov is over all of this.

IMHPOV this is exactly what the whole phony immigration "invasion" is for. Everyone runs around w/their hands in the air over these "invaders" and then will accept anything the gov forces on the American people for their "protection".

More people always means less freedom.

More people from cultures historically acclimated to tyrannical/corrupt governments and communist economies means even less freedom.

Just ask the people of New Hampshire about people from Massachusetts or the people of Texas and Montana about people from California or people from North Carolina about people from New Jersey.

[Ender]

More people always means less freedom.

More people from cultures historically acclimated to tyrannical/corrupt governments and communist economies means even less freedom.

Just ask the people of New Hampshire about people from Massachusetts or the people of Texas and Montana about people from California or people from North Carolina about people from New Jersey.

Try asking original Californians about their country that was taken by the tyrannical/corrupt US.

It's time for Liberty lovers to push freedom forward instead of bowing to the state & then asking it to solve the problems it continually creates.

[Swordsmyth]

Try asking original Californians about their country that was taken by the tyrannical/corrupt US.

It's time for Liberty lovers to push freedom forward instead of bowing to the state & then asking it to solve the problems it continually creates.
Letting millions of state loving invaders in won't get you there.

[Grandmastersexsay]

:rolleyes:

Why are you so anxious to make a conspiracy theory about something that has a far more reasonable explanation? Identify theft is probably the most expensive part of their business. They're not doing it out of the kindness of their hearts. They, or more specifically, their affiliates pay for fraudulent purchases and protect their members. Rarely do they get to recoup those losses through police enforcement.

I hate the sound of a digital identity, but I can understand why they would like it. They're a company who cares about profits. Framing their actions as nefarious just seems silly. How would that help there bottom line?

[Swordsmyth]

Why are you so anxious to make a conspiracy theory about something that has a far more reasonable explanation? Identify theft is probably the most expensive part of their business. They're not doing it out of the kindness of their hearts. They, or more specifically, their affiliates pay for fraudulent purchases and protect their members. Rarely do they get to recoup those losses through police enforcement.

I hate the sound of a digital identity, but I can understand why they would like it. They're a company who cares about profits. Framing their actions as nefarious just seems silly. How would that help there bottom line?
Why are you so anxious to deny the existence of conspiracies when history is full of them and the evidence of current conspiracies is overwhelming?

[Grandmastersexsay]

Why are you so anxious to deny the existence of conspiracies when history is full of them and the evidence of current conspiracies is overwhelming?

People who make everything a conspiracy often lose credibility. When I see an obvious answer, I usually choose that one. I'll entertain conspiracy theories, especially with sound evidence. I don't see it here.

[Swordsmyth]

People who make everything a conspiracy often lose credibility. When I see an obvious answer, I usually choose that one. I'll entertain conspiracy theories, especially with sound evidence. I don't see it here.
The agenda here is obvious, this is part of the oligarch's agenda and they are pursuing it from many angles, it would be highly unlikely that this wasn't part of the larger campaign.

[angelatc]

Why are you so anxious to make a conspiracy theory about something that has a far more reasonable explanation? Identify theft is probably the most expensive part of their business. They're not doing it out of the kindness of their hearts. They, or more specifically, their affiliates pay for fraudulent purchases and protect their members. Rarely do they get to recoup those losses through police enforcement.

I hate the sound of a digital identity, but I can understand why they would like it. They're a company who cares about profits. Framing their actions as nefarious just seems silly. How would that help there bottom line?

I doubt it's as much about identity theft as it is creating a global credit scoring system.

[Swordsmyth]

I doubt it's as much about identity theft as it is creating a global credit scoring system.
Which will then be manipulated to control everyone.

[angelatc]

Which will then be manipulated to control everyone.

Exactly.

[Danke]

Of course it is.

And everything else that everybody mentioned.

Now, just what the fuck is anybody gonna do about it?

The French people have had enough, they turned out in the streets and raised hell.

https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2018_49/2669171/181204-paris-protest-mc-1137_fdd63ff242e49c4a6c83b5a0f497b093.fit-760w.JPG

Enough so that the hated fuel tax was rescinded by the Macron government.

It is beyond time that "we" start doing the same thing and drop any further delusions of "civility".

This is fucking war, war for survival.

They want to make it hot for "our" people in their homes, in businesses and public life?

We need to make ten times hotter for MasterCard's CEO, for Zuckerberg, for Tim Cook, for Sundar Pichai all the rest of the modern day robber barons about unleash hell on earth.

Bleating platitudes about voting and "free" markets is helpless, hopeless and useless.

These people and millions more like them, will use the very system we're trying to protect to destroy us, invade us, displace us and exterminate us.

Wake the fuck up and fight back or die.

Those are the only two choices left.

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[pcosmar]

You Will Be Controlled:)


Resistance is futile.:mouthopen:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/166/379597714_7e44c8c557_o.jpg

[enhanced_deficit]

Credit goes to MAGA for setting up the right tone for change and elevating right kind of advisors/business leaders from Bolton to Haily to Pomeo to CIA chief lady to Gates to Adelson to Goldman Sachs leaders. Nobody wants a Police State but in the age of GWOT, Syria/Yemen civil wars and coming Iran war threats, making America safe is POTUS' first priority and beefing up policing tools in the state is big part of it.
Bill and MAGA have similar views on some things including on a secure Police state for the modern day foreign policy.

Bill Gates Got an Offer to Be Trump's Science Advisor
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/290977

[Ender]

Letting millions of state loving invaders in won't get you there.

Our loss of freedom didn't come from "invaders". It's always been an inside job- starting with Hamilton.

[Swordsmyth]

Our loss of freedom didn't come from "invaders". It's always been an inside job- starting with Hamilton.
Invaders/excessive legal immigration is one of the weapons the domestic enemies have used and are using.
The use of foreigners against a rulers own subjects is a very old ruling class tactic.

Letting them import millions of state loving foreigners will only make it harder to recover any portion of our freedom.

[Ender]

Invaders/excessive legal immigration is one of the weapons the domestic enemies have used and are using.
The use of foreigners against a rulers own subjects is a very old ruling class tactic.

Letting them import millions of state loving foreigners will only make it harder to recover any portion of our freedom.

Same thing was said about the Irish, Germans, Italians, Chinese, Japanese & Mexicans.

Get gov OUT of everything is the answer- not MORE gov to solve the problems it has created.

[Swordsmyth]

Same thing was said about the Irish, Germans, Italians, Chinese, Japanese & Mexicans.
And it was true, excessive immigration contributed to the decline of liberty in the past as well as the present.


Get gov OUT of everything is the answer- not MORE gov to solve the problems it has created.
You can't get the government out of EVERYTHING, the foreigners who will come for the WEALTH produced by a free society without valuing the liberty will impose a big government on the natives, protecting the rights of the natives from enemies foreign and domestic is the proper role of government.

[devil21]

And it was true, excessive immigration contributed to the decline of liberty in the past as well as the present.


You can't get the government out of EVERYTHING, the foreigners who will come for the WEALTH produced by a free society without valuing the liberty will impose a big government on the natives, protecting the rights of the natives from enemies foreign and domestic is the proper role of government.

The countries they are coming from have nothing on the "big government" that's been in place here for a long time. Big government in America preceded Mexican immigration by a long shot. In fact, most of the countries they are coming from do not have big governments at all (authoritarian yes, big not so much) so I don't know where you get the idea that they'll demand big government here. It's not anything they're at all familiar with.

[Swordsmyth]

The countries they are coming from have nothing on the "big government" that's been in place here for a long time. Big government in America preceded Mexican immigration by a long shot. In fact, most of the countries they are coming from do not have big governments at all (authoritarian yes, big not so much) so I don't know where you get the idea that they'll demand big government here. It's not anything they're at all familiar with.
Mexico has been socialist/communist since the 1800's and so have most of the other Latin American countries, the same is true of the Irish, Germans and Italians.

China and Japan also had extremely authoritarian cultures.

[kahless]

This is what grassroots efforts should be working against in this forum together regardless of any differences of issues we all have. I think this is RPF common ground.

We cannot allow this to come to fruition nor these ideas flourish in the American psyche, rather an concerted effort to meet it with opposition. It should be made known to these pieces of shit elites at Microsoft and Mastercard that if they attempt this route then we will will be on them. They should not be allowed to be in public without our views known.

[kahless]

dupe

[devil21]

Mexico has been socialist/communist since the 1800's and so have most of the other Latin American countries, the same is true of the Irish, Germans and Italians.

Doesn't mean they are big governments, per se, but are rather authoritarian governments. And your assertion that Mexico is socialist/communist is ridiculous.



China and Japan also had extremely authoritarian cultures.

And still do. Like I said, their idea of "big government" pales in comparison to the size and scope of our government, which existed long before Mexicans started crossing the border.



Mastercard CEO

Ajaypal Singh Banga
https://248qms3nhmvl15d4ne1i4pxl-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Ajay-Banga-WEF-760x400.jpg

Why am I not surprised.

That's one of the big ways that globalists are undermining traditional American values. Importing heads of industry from other countries that don't give a lick about the Constitution or American values to implement globalism at the corporate level (see: Silicon Valley). While Swordsmyth is worried about Juan, the roofer, it's Ajaypal, the CEO that's really the concern.

[kahless]

Ajaypal Singh Banga - Mastercard CEO
https://248qms3nhmvl15d4ne1i4pxl-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Ajay-Banga-WEF-760x400.jpg

Satya Nadella - Microsoft CEO
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Satya_smiling-print.jpg/220px-Satya_smiling-print.jpg

Nadella was born in Hyderabad, Telangana, India.

Why am I not surprised. Absolutely no assimilation into American society before becoming CEO's. Born and raised under belief systems counter to European, Christian and American belief systems, ultimately what made America great. Prime examples against immigration on what has ultimately destroyed what the US once was.

[Swordsmyth]

Doesn't mean they are big governments, per se, but are rather authoritarian governments. And your assertion that Mexico is socialist/communist is ridiculous.



And still do. Like I said, their idea of "big government" pales in comparison to the size and scope of our government, which existed long before Mexicans started crossing the border.
:rolleyes:

"Socialists and Communists aren't in favor of big government" LOL
"Authoritarians aren't in favor of big government" LOL

The only reason the American government has been "bigger" in some ways than other more socialist/communist/authoritarian governments is because America was richer and could "afford" bigger government and as I pointed out it was excessive immigration from such countries that helped get us that bigger government, more of the same won't do anything but make the problem worse.

Even if there was a real difference between socialist/communist/authoritarian governments and "big" Government the last thing we need is people who will turn our already "big" government more socialist/communist/authoritarian.

[Swordsmyth]

Ajaypal Singh Banga - Mastercard CEO
https://248qms3nhmvl15d4ne1i4pxl-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Ajay-Banga-WEF-760x400.jpg

Satya Nadella - Microsoft CEO
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Satya_smiling-print.jpg/220px-Satya_smiling-print.jpg


Why am I not surprised. Absolutely no assimilation into American society before becoming CEO's. Born and raised under belief systems counter to European, Christian and American belief systems, ultimately what made America great. Prime examples against immigration on what has ultimately destroyed what the US once was.
Let's import millions more of the people who are accepting the Aadhaar system.:upsidedown:

[devil21]

Look, we all know you just make shit up when you don't have a factual argument.


:rolleyes:

"Socialists and Communists are in favor of big government" LOL
"Authoritarians aren't in favor of big government" LOL


Authoritarian government does not equal big government. It equals forceful government. Large police state apparatus, yes. Large government overall, not so much. And your assertion about Mexico being socialist/communist since the 1800's is ridiculous beyond argument and has no basis in fact whatsoever.



The only reason the American government has been "bigger" in some ways than other more socialist/communist/authoritarian governments is because America was richer and could "afford" bigger government and as I pointed out it was excessive immigration from such countries that helped get us that bigger government, more of the same won't do anything but make the problem worse.

Again, immigrants do not come from countries with big governments. They are introduced to big government when they arrive here and find that they may enjoy the benefits of the big government that already exists, thus expanding the existing big government even further. This is Cloward-Piven 101. You have the order of progression incorrect.



Even if there was a real difference between socialist/communist/authoritarian governments and "big" Government the last thing we need is people who will turn our already "big" government more socialist/communist/authoritarian.

I don't disagree. But you were still wrong.

[Swordsmyth]

Look, we all know you just make $#@! up when you don't have a factual argument.



Authoritarian government does not equal big government. It equals forceful government. Large police state apparatus, yes. Large government overall, not so much. And your assertion about Mexico being socialist/communist since the 1800's is ridiculous beyond argument and has no basis in fact whatsoever.



Again, immigrants do not come from countries with big governments. They are introduced to big government when they arrive here and find that they may enjoy the benefits of the big government that already exists, thus expanding the existing big government even further. This is Cloward-Piven 101. You have the order of progression incorrect.



I don't disagree. But you were still wrong.
The Mexican revolutions were all socialist/communist as were the other S. American revolutions and all the European revolutions since the French Revolution.

Pop Quiz: What country first introduced "Social Security"?

[devil21]

The Mexican revolutions were all socialist/communist as were the other S. American revolutions and all the European revolutions since the French Revolution.

Not much of a revolution since there's no factual basis of socialism/communism ever being the governing method of Mexico for any impactful length of time and certainly not since the 1800's.



Pop Quiz: What country first introduced "Social Security"?

Germany, according to quick search.

[Swordsmyth]

Not much of a revolution since there's no factual basis of socialism/communism ever being the governing method of Mexico for any impactful length of time and certainly not since the 1800's.
They were too poor and the leaders of the revolutions all shifted over to typical crony/oligarch politics but the propaganda and associated political culture was socialist/communist and they were connected to the socialist/communist movements of the time.
In any case we didn't have that much Mexican immigration back then but the European countries that did provide most of our immigrants at the time were filled with socialists and communists who launched repeated failed revolutions in the 1800's and many of the losers fled to the US when they failed.




Germany, according to quick search.
Correct, all of the European countries were much farther down the socialist/communist road than the US since the French Revolution.

[devil21]

They were too poor and the leaders of the revolutions all shifted over to typical crony/oligarch politics but the propaganda and associated political culture was socialist/communist and they were connected to the socialist/communist movements of the time.
In any case we didn't have that much Mexican immigration back then but the European countries that did provide most of our immigrants at the time were filled with socialists and communists who launched repeated failed revolutions in the 1800's and many of the losers fled to the US when they failed.

So just admit that Mexico has not been a socialist/communist country since the 1800's, as you originally stated, and we can move on.



Correct, all of the European countries were much farther down the socialist/communist road than the US since the French Revolution.

So you're saying that everyone emigrating from Mexico, Central America, and Europe are all invaders that wish to turn America into the old Soviet Union? That's your position?

[Swordsmyth]

So just admit that Mexico has not been a socialist/communist country since the 1800's, as you originally stated, and we can move on.
Culturally it was and that is what is important since they don't bring their government when they come but they do bring their culture.

It certainly IS one now and AMLO was voted in to make it even more so.





So you're saying that everyone emigrating from Mexico, Central America, and Europe are all invaders that wish to turn America into the old Soviet Union? That's your position?
The illegals are invaders, those who come legally are are not but if we let too many of them in they will turn us into the USSR or Zimbabwe or Venezuela.
The excessive immigration that was allowed in the past DID make us more socialist/communist.

We have enough of our own communists to deal with, we don't need to let them overwhelm us with foreign reinforcements.

[kahless]

I think we are getting off topic here. Clearly Mastercard and Microsoft are more of threat to individual liberty than Mexico. Mexico and their representatives are acting within their own best interests. It has not any relevance on this discussion of the absolute less than human animals CEO's of Microsoft and Mastercard. :)

[Swordsmyth]

I think we are getting off topic here. Clearly Mastercard and Microsoft are more of threat to individual liberty than Mexico. Mexico and their representatives are acting within their own best interests. It has not relevance on this discussion of the absolute less than human animals CEO's of Microsoft and Mastercard. :)
True, but excessive immigration from India does relate.

[devil21]

Culturally it was and that is what is important since they don't bring their government when they come but they do bring their culture.

It certainly IS one now and AMLO was voted in to make it even more so.

So you're just going to keep doubling down on wrong, huh. If by "culturally" you mean small villages of people helping each other survive under poor economic conditions then sure I guess that qualifies. Terrible shit, that type of existence is! Can't have any of that "helping each other survive" mess coming here, can we?



The illegals are invaders, those who come legally are are not but if we let too many of them in they will turn us into the USSR or Zimbabwe or Venezuela.
The excessive immigration that was allowed in the past DID make us more socialist/communist.

So you're right back to the notion that it's immigrants that cause big government, not the pre-existing big government expanding due to more immigration? I should also add that it wasn't immigrants that demanded the Social Security program, for example, it was the bankers that controlled the executive branch that demanded it. You always seem to give the bankers a pass and blame the little guy whenever you can.



We have enough of our own communists to deal with, we don't need to let them overwhelm us with foreign reinforcements.

I've never heard someone rail against communism as much as you do. Are you sure you're not a Jesuit? Most of your posting habits would make a lot more sense if you are.

[kahless]

True, but excessive immigration from India does relate.

In my opinion we need to focus more on defeating them. The CEO's, the billionaire elite and monopolies are clearly a problem that need to be dealt with.

The news media keeps intentionally focusing Americans on foreign policy like Russia, Syria and Afghanistan. These pieces of garbage however are the true threat and are absolutely the true enemy over any foreign threat.