63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs Compared to 35% of native households

[Anti Federalist]

63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs
Compared to 35% of native households

https://www.cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Households-Access-Welfare-Programs

By Steven A. Camarota and Karen Zeigler on December 2, 2018
Download a PDF of this Backgrounder.

Steven A. Camarota is the director of research and Karen Zeigler is a demographer at the Center.

New "public charge" rules issued by the Trump administration expand the list of programs that are considered welfare, receipt of which may prevent a prospective immigrant from receiving lawful permanent residence (a green card). Analysis by the Center for Immigration Studies of the Census Bureau's Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP) shows welfare use by households headed by non-citizens is very high. The desire to reduce these rates among future immigrants is the primary justification for the rule change. Immigrant advocacy groups are right to worry that the high welfare use of non-citizens may impact the ability of some to receive green cards, though the actual impacts of the rules are unclear because they do not include all the benefits non-citizens receive on behalf of their children and many welfare programs are not included in the new rules. As welfare participation varies dramatically by education level, significantly reducing future welfare use rates would require public charge rules that take into consideration education levels and resulting income and likely welfare use.

Of non-citizens in Census Bureau data, roughly half are in the country illegally. Non-citizens also include long-term temporary visitors (e.g. guestworkers and foreign students) and permanent residents who have not naturalized (green card holders). Despite the fact that there are barriers designed to prevent welfare use for all of these non-citizen populations, the data shows that, overall, non-citizen households access the welfare system at high rates, often receiving benefits on behalf of U.S.-born children.

Among the findings:

In 2014, 63 percent of households headed by a non-citizen reported that they used at least one welfare program, compared to 35 percent of native-headed households.

Welfare use drops to 58 percent for non-citizen households and 30 percent for native households if cash payments from the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) are not counted as welfare. EITC recipients pay no federal income tax. Like other welfare, the EITC is a means-tested, anti-poverty program, but unlike other programs one has to work to receive it.

Compared to native households, non-citizen households have much higher use of food programs (45 percent vs. 21 percent for natives) and Medicaid (50 percent vs. 23 percent for natives).

Including the EITC, 31 percent of non-citizen-headed households receive cash welfare, compared to 19 percent of native households. If the EITC is not included, then cash receipt by non-citizen households is slightly lower than natives (6 percent vs. 8 percent).

While most new legal immigrants (green card holders) are barred from most welfare programs, as are illegal immigrants and temporary visitors, these provisions have only a modest impact on non-citizen household use rates because: 1) most legal immigrants have been in the country long enough to qualify; 2) the bar does not apply to all programs, nor does it always apply to non-citizen children; 3) some states provide welfare to new immigrants on their own; and, most importantly, 4) non-citizens (including illegal immigrants) can receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children who are awarded U.S. citizenship and full welfare eligibility at birth.

The following figures include EITC:

No single program explains non-citizens' higher overall welfare use. For example, not counting school lunch and breakfast, welfare use is still 61 percent for non-citizen households compared to 33 percent for natives. Not counting Medicaid, welfare use is 55 percent for immigrants compared to 30 percent for natives.

Welfare use tends to be high for both newer arrivals and long-time residents. Of households headed by non-citizens in the United States for fewer than 10 years, 50 percent use one or more welfare programs; for those here more than 10 years, the rate is 70 percent.

Welfare receipt by working households is very common. Of non-citizen households receiving welfare, 93 percent have at least one worker, as do 76 percent of native households receiving welfare. In fact, non-citizen households are more likely overall to have a worker than are native households.

The primary reason welfare use is so high among non-citizens is that a much larger share of non-citizens have modest levels of education and, as a result, they often earn low wages and qualify for welfare at higher rates than natives.

Of all non-citizen households, 58 percent are headed by immigrants who have no more than a high school education, compared to 36 percent of native households.

Of households headed by non-citizens with no more than a high school education, 81 percent access one or more welfare programs. In contrast, 28 percent of non-citizen households headed by a college graduate use one or more welfare programs.

Like non-citizens, welfare use also varies significantly for natives by educational attainment, with the least educated having much higher welfare use than the most educated.

Using education levels and likely future income to determine the probability of welfare use among new green card applicants — and denying permanent residency to those likely to utilize such programs — would almost certainly reduce welfare use among future permanent residents.
Of households headed by naturalized immigrants (U.S. citizens), 50 percent used one or more welfare programs. Naturalized-citizen households tend to have lower welfare use than non-citizen households for most types of programs, but higher use rates than native households for virtually every major program.

Welfare use is significantly higher for non-citizens than for natives in all four top immigrant-receiving states. In California, 72 percent of non-citizen-headed households use one or more welfare programs, compared to 35 percent for native-headed households. In Texas, the figures are 69 percent vs. 35 percent; in New York they are 53 percent vs. 38 percent; and in Florida, 56 percent of non-citizen-headed households use at least welfare program, compared to 35 percent of native households.

[Danke]

That's why they come.

[Anti Federalist]

That's why they come.

Well, that and to march in the streets and call me a racist for not giving up even more.

[Origanalist]

Only 63%? I call bullshit.

[oyarde]

Only 63%? I call bullshit.

Seems a little low . I would guess at least 7 in 10 , maybe more . Consider that currently 6 in 10 Americans work , only 3 of those ten pay more federal tax than they receive and those figures are made up mostly of American born people which are being said to be here only 35 percent of the problem.

[Swordsmyth]

Only 63%? I call bull$#@!.


Seems a little low . I would guess at least 7 in 10 . Consider that currently 6 in 10 Americans work , only 3 of those ten pay more federal tax than they receive and those figures are made up mostly of American born people which are being said to be here only 35 percent of the problem.
They aren't counting the ones that obtain it through fraud, those get added to the count of natives on welfare.

[Brian4Liberty]

Was talking to a “dreamer” who had been here since High School. He went back to Mexico to get a bride. They live in California and have three kids now. I was curious how much they had to pay for all of the Doctor bills, assuming they had Obamacare. He was confused, and then said, well, it doesn’t cost anything. Free healthcare for non-citizens. The leftist dream of free healthcare already applies to some...

[phill4paul]

Can't be. Zippy keeps posting that non-citizens and illegals don't get welfare, they just pay into it and that it is a net positive to have them here in this country.

[Danke]

Can't be. Zippy keeps posting that non-citizens and illegals don't get welfare, they just pay into it and that it is a net positive to have them here in this country.

Have u been here long enough to know Zippy is full of shit?

[Anti Federalist]

Can't be. Zippy keeps posting that non-citizens and illegals don't get welfare, they just pay into it and that it is a net positive to have them here in this country.

I know, right?

[Anti Federalist]

Only 63%? I call bullshit.


In California, 72 percent of non-citizen-headed households use one or more welfare programs

It levels out by comparing the entire country.

[presence]

63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs Compared to 35% of native households


arrive without state cattle tags:

get an honest job? illegal; might get deported

feign neediness, apply for state handouts? legal, encouraged; maybe free cheese for life!


color me surprised when working without papers is illegalized, hard workers become scarce
and when theft is legalized subsidy leaches become abundant

[oyarde]

They aren't counting the ones that obtain it through fraud, those get added to the count of natives on welfare.

So , 7 or 8 in 10 .

[oyarde]

It levels out by comparing the entire country.

Ya , Caly is not a good measure of anything , nearly 1/3rd of LA County is on welfare and that is probably not counting illegals .

[oyarde]

At this point , only open borders people should be paying the taxes for this .

[phill4paul]

At this point , only open borders people should be paying the taxes for this .

Can we find 300k SJW's willing to take them into their homes?

[Anti Federalist]

Can we find 300k SJW's willing to take them into their homes?

Most SJWs live in lily white gated communities.

[oyarde]

Can we find 300k SJW's willing to take them into their homes?

Once CalExit is complete they can all be sent there and the Gov of New Kalifornia territory can assign them to be quartered and feed in homes there .

[Ender]

arrive without state cattle tags:

get an honest job? illegal; might get deported

feign neediness, apply for state handouts? legal, encouraged; maybe free cheese for life!


color me surprised when working without papers is illegalized, hard workers become scarce
and when theft is legalized subsidy leaches become abundant

Yep- the gov should not be telling people who they can hire.

We should at least bring back the Bracero program- that was good for everybody- plus Hispanics like to work & are some of the hardest & fastest workers on the planet.

[Ender]

Ya , Caly is not a good measure of anything , nearly 1/3rd of LA County is on welfare and that is probably not counting illegals .

That's because of the weather. If you gonna be homeless good weather's a must.

[TheCount]

Obviously we should grant them citizenship so that rate goes down.

[Anti Federalist]

Obviously we should grant them citizenship so that rate goes down.

Impeccable logic.

USA becomes California.

Democrats win back a supermajority in California’s Legislature (https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-democrats-supermajority-california-legislature-20181112-story.html)

[Swordsmyth]

Impeccable logic.

USA becomes California.

Democrats win back a supermajority in California’s Legislature (https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-democrats-supermajority-california-legislature-20181112-story.html)
Soon they will progress beyond ballot "harvesting" and simply have voice votes by acclamation at each precinct watched over by AntiFa.

[phill4paul]

Yep- the gov should not be telling people who they can hire.

We should at least bring back the Bracero program- that was good for everybody- plus Hispanics like to work & are some of the hardest & fastest workers on the planet.

MMV. Some are the hardest and fastest workers. And in doing so do substandard work. I just did a walk through on a new home and I couldn't believe the drywall and tile work done by Hispanic crews. I certainly wouldn't be shelling out $375k for it, but I guess most people can't tell good from bad.

[Anti Federalist]

MMV. Some are the hardest and fastest workers. And in doing so do substandard work. I just did a walk through on a new home and I couldn't believe the drywall and tile work done by Hispanic crews. I certainly wouldn't be shelling out $375k for it, but I guess most people can't tell good from bad.

I have seen the same thing in shipbuilding. Critical weld seams that failed ABS inspections numerous times: cracks, holes, poor fitting.

The last vessel I ran was built up north, and while it had it's issues, mostly related to poor planning on my company's part, the actual hull construction and welding done by native Wisconsin union welders was head and shoulders above the slap-dash fitment of the average Gulf Coast work done by bused in migrants.

Good - Fast - Cheap: Pick any two.

Amerikunts universally will pick fast and cheap.

The age of shoddy.

[oyarde]

I have seen the same thing in shipbuilding. Critical weld seams that failed ABS inspections numerous times: cracks, holes, poor fitting.

The last vessel I ran was built up north, and while it had it's issues, mostly related to poor planning on my company's part, the actual hull construction and welding done by native Wisconsin union welders was head and shoulders above the slap-dash fitment of the average Gulf Coast work done by bused in migrants.

Good - Fast - Cheap: Pick any two.

Amerikunts universally will pick fast and cheap.

The age of shoddy.

Yeah , I have to go with good . Thats why I have guns and tools I have used for six decades or more and can be used that many more when I am gone by my Sons and Grandsons . That is value .

[phill4paul]

I have seen the same thing in shipbuilding. Critical weld seams that failed ABS inspections numerous times: cracks, holes, poor fitting.

The last vessel I ran was built up north, and while it had it's issues, mostly related to poor planning on my company's part, the actual hull construction and welding done by native Wisconsin union welders was head and shoulders above the slap-dash fitment of the average Gulf Coast work done by bused in migrants.

Good - Fast - Cheap: Pick any two.

Amerikunts universally will pick fast and cheap.

The age of shoddy.

Don't get me started on the joint compound bucket left in a closet that when opened contained shit. Just fucking nasty.

[Swordsmyth]

I have seen the same thing in shipbuilding. Critical weld seams that failed ABS inspections numerous times: cracks, holes, poor fitting.

The last vessel I ran was built up north, and while it had it's issues, mostly related to poor planning on my company's part, the actual hull construction and welding done by native Wisconsin union welders was head and shoulders above the slap-dash fitment of the average Gulf Coast work done by bused in migrants.

Good - Fast - Cheap: Pick any two.

Amerikunts universally will pick fast and cheap.

The age of shoddy.
Efficiency without stability is a sickness that has consumed our globe, it started about the turn of the last century and I don't think it will last very far into this one, if we don't watch out then the pendulum will swing all the way to the other side after the collapse.

Like so many opposites you can't have one without at least some of the other.

[Anti Federalist]

Efficiency without stability is a sickness that has consumed our globe, it started about the turn of the last century and I don't think it will last very far into this one, if we don't watch out then the pendulum will swing all the way to the other side after the collapse.

Like so many opposites you can't have one without at least some of the other.

Robots.

The only well fitted, seamless, perfectly made durable consumer goods are made by robots now.

[Swordsmyth]

Robots.

The only well fitted, seamless, perfectly made durable consumer goods are made by robots now.
If they don't have enough humans checking their work etc. there will inevitably be serious problems.

Don't expect the efficiency addicts to realize that until major disasters happen though.

[euphemia]

Yep- the gov should not be telling people who they can hire.

We should at least bring back the Bracero program- that was good for everybody- plus Hispanics like to work & are some of the hardest & fastest workers on the planet.

It depends on the kind of job. Hispanics, in my experience, have been the most reluctant to learn English, and English fluency is necessary, even when Spanish (in its various dialects) is helpful. My next door neighbor has lived in the US for forty years. She speaks less English now than when she first came here. If I did not have a tiny bit of Spanish, we would not know each other at all. Her two girls are not English fluent, even though they grew up here and were educated in American schools. Her son was very fluent. I don't understand how that goes.

[Swordsmyth]

It depends on the kind of job. Hispanics, in my experience, have been the most reluctant to learn English, and English fluency is necessary, even when Spanish (in its various dialects) is helpful. My next door neighbor has lived in the US for forty years. She speaks less English now than when she first came here. If I did not have a tiny bit of Spanish, we would not know each other at all. Her two girls are not English fluent, even though they grew up here and were educated in American schools. Her son was very fluent. I don't understand how that goes.
And when they have all spanish media that they watch they develop into a separate society, that is one of the main reasons so many of them vote Demoncrat and it's why voting shouldn't be allowed in any language but english.

[euphemia]

Although I do agree government should not tell people who to hire--race, gender (preference), age.

I don't mind an eligibility requirement for age or citizenship.

To go a bit further, if someone is still working at a job, they should be eligible for the insurance benefits their employer provides. They should not be forced on to Medicare after age 65--especially if they are going to be working into their 70s.

[Origanalist]

Don't get me started on the joint compound bucket left in a closet that when opened contained shit. Just fucking nasty.

Standard fare, try walking into a house they cooked a possum over a halide light without skinning the damn thing.

[oyarde]

Standard fare, try walking into a house they cooked a possum over a halide light without skinning the damn thing.

Danke was on the job ?

[nikcers]

Standard fare, try walking into a house they cooked a possum over a halide light without skinning the damn thing.

How do you know its Possum?

https://youtu.be/9RZR4iKDixE?t=452

[phill4paul]

Standard fare, try walking into a house they cooked a possum over a halide light without skinning the damn thing.

W.T.F. Please tell me you're joking.

[Danke]

Danke was on the job ?


Thought you might be hungry after chopping wood all day.

[Danke]

How do you know its Possum?

https://youtu.be/9RZR4iKDixE?t=452

Reno 911 was great. I was surprised when I learned most of the material is improvised. Very talented actors.

[Origanalist]

W.T.F. Please tell me you're joking.

Nope.

[Origanalist]

How do you know its Possum?

https://youtu.be/9RZR4iKDixE?t=452

I didn't actually witness it but went in the house the next day when they were finished to work. The Super told me what the awful smell was, he caught them doing it. :mouthopen:

[phill4paul]

Nope.

I'm trying to conjure the stench. This was new construction? W.T.F.? Well, you win the most disgusting illegal alien worker antics category. I can't touch that. Nope. At least they put the lid back on the bucket of shit.

[Origanalist]

I'm trying to conjure the stench. This was new construction? W.T.F.? Well, you win the most disgusting illegal alien worker antics category. I can't touch that. Nope. At least they put the lid back on the bucket of shit.

Brand new million dollar jobbies back when million dollar homes were more upscale than they are now. I don't even do new construction anymore, it pays much better to do house flips and remodels.

[phill4paul]

Brand new million dollar jobbies back when million dollar homes were more upscale than they are now. I don't even do new construction anymore, it pays much better to do house flips and remodels.

That's mostly were the money is at these days anyway. Unfortunately, I'm out of the business for a while. Having to spend days helping out the folks get to doctors and get groceries and drugs and such. So grabbed a third shift at a local manufacturing plant. After a month I'm ready to get back to what I was doing. I've always said I hate working for/with people i wouldn't hire and this place has 'em in spades.

[Origanalist]

That's mostly were the money is at these days anyway. Unfortunately, I'm out of the business for a while. Having to spend days helping out the folks get to doctors and get groceries and drugs and such. So grabbed a third shift at a local manufacturing plant. After a month I'm ready to get back to what I was doing. I've always said I hate working for/with people i wouldn't hire and this place has 'em in spades.

Pretty hard to go back to that after having some independence isn't it? The older I get the harder it is to put up with bullshit, these days someone says "can you fix that?"and I say hold my beer. :D

You're a good man for taking care of your folks instead of letting them go to a home. Wish my mom would move in with us or my sister but she's too damn stubborn. She really shouldn't be living alone.

[phill4paul]

Pretty hard to go back to that after having some independence isn't it? The older I get the harder it is to put up with bullshit, these days someone says "can you fix that?"and I say hold my beer. :D

You're a good man for taking care of your folks instead of letting them go to a home. Wish my mom would move in with us or my sister but she's too damn stubborn. She really shouldn't be living alone.

Absolutely. I do Quality Inspections for drive line gear sets for PTU's and RDM's. I work with a kid that is bi-polar and his work ouput is dictated by his meds and a girl that has become a Chatty Cathy. At twice their age I do twice their work. Not that it matters to these companies anymore. They just want warm meat bags to fill slots. I could sand bag it but that's just not me. The night would last too long and I'd end up shooting myself. Lol.
Yeah, I'd rather get back to being my own man.
On a plus note I replaced a my kitchen plumbing on my day off. Felt like I actually accomplished something of use.

[Ender]

It depends on the kind of job. Hispanics, in my experience, have been the most reluctant to learn English, and English fluency is necessary, even when Spanish (in its various dialects) is helpful. My next door neighbor has lived in the US for forty years. She speaks less English now than when she first came here. If I did not have a tiny bit of Spanish, we would not know each other at all. Her two girls are not English fluent, even though they grew up here and were educated in American schools. Her son was very fluent. I don't understand how that goes.

Usually the kids learn English pretty fast- Adult Spanish-speaking migrants sometimes have a problem w/English because it is so illogical, while Spanish is one of the most logical languages on the planet.

[Ender]

MMV. Some are the hardest and fastest workers. And in doing so do substandard work. I just did a walk through on a new home and I couldn't believe the drywall and tile work done by Hispanic crews. I certainly wouldn't be shelling out $375k for it, but I guess most people can't tell good from bad.

So, who's the boss/owner? Pretty sure most workers do as they're told.

[Origanalist]

So, who's the boss/owner? Pretty sure most workers do as they're told.

Lol

[Ender]

Lol

LOL backatcha. ;)

My experience with hispanics is good & every farmer I know wants Mexican workers, who actually do a good job.

[Anti Federalist]

You're a good man for taking care of your folks instead of letting them go to a home.

I concur.

[Swordsmyth]

A California lawmaker has pledged to re-introduce a bill that would allow adults who live in the state illegally to receive medical care paid for by the government.
State Assembly member Joaquin Arambula, a Democrat and a doctor, announced the plans Monday as the legislature convened at the state capitol, according to the Los Angeles Times (https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-legislature-convenes-20181203-story.html).
Should the bill advance, California would become the first state to extend Medicaid coverage regardless of immigration status. State projections for last year's bill found that 1.8 million people in California are uninsured and reside there illegally; roughly 1.2 million would qualify for Medi-Cal, the name of the state's Medicaid program.

The legislation is being introduced ahead of a new governor entering office. Gov.-elect Gavin Newsom initially had vowed to seek a single-payer healthcare system for the state, but tamped down his rhetoric later in the campaign, focusing instead on extending coverage to the uninsured. Single-payer systems refer to one source of payment for all medical services, usually the government.
Arambula introduced a similar bill last session alongside state Sen. Ricardo Lara, but the final versions would have covered fewer people than they had both originally envisioned. They were narrowed to young adults, between the ages of 19 and 26, and to immigrants over the age of 65. Outgoing Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown refused to fund the provisions in the state budget.
The latest plan would carry an estimated price tag of $3 billion a year, according to California's Legislative Analyst's Office, which would be paid for by the state's general fund. Medicaid is otherwise jointly funded by the state and federal governments.

More at: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/california-democrats-plan-to-extend-medicaid-to-illegal-immigrants

[Danke]

A California lawmaker has pledged to re-introduce a bill that would allow adults who live in the state illegally to receive medical care paid for by the government.
State Assembly member Joaquin Arambula, a Democrat and a doctor, announced the plans Monday as the legislature convened at the state capitol, according to the Los Angeles Times (https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-legislature-convenes-20181203-story.html).
Should the bill advance, California would become the first state to extend Medicaid coverage regardless of immigration status. State projections for last year's bill found that 1.8 million people in California are uninsured and reside there illegally; roughly 1.2 million would qualify for Medi-Cal, the name of the state's Medicaid program.

The legislation is being introduced ahead of a new governor entering office. Gov.-elect Gavin Newsom initially had vowed to seek a single-payer healthcare system for the state, but tamped down his rhetoric later in the campaign, focusing instead on extending coverage to the uninsured. Single-payer systems refer to one source of payment for all medical services, usually the government.
Arambula introduced a similar bill last session alongside state Sen. Ricardo Lara, but the final versions would have covered fewer people than they had both originally envisioned. They were narrowed to young adults, between the ages of 19 and 26, and to immigrants over the age of 65. Outgoing Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown refused to fund the provisions in the state budget.
The latest plan would carry an estimated price tag of $3 billion a year, according to California's Legislative Analyst's Office, which would be paid for by the state's general fund. Medicaid is otherwise jointly funded by the state and federal governments.

More at: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/california-democrats-plan-to-extend-medicaid-to-illegal-immigrants

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[Origanalist]

LOL backatcha. ;)

My experience with hispanics is good & every farmer I know wants Mexican workers, who actually do a good job.

We're not talking about farm work though. They range anywhere from abysmal to excellent these days, much improved over the last couple decades but most of the good ones are on the big commercial buildings. Hi-rises. So we don't cross paths much because I despise working on them and only will out of dire necessity.

[Swordsmyth]

Bump

[Zippyjuan]

Bump

Notable: Non- citizens includes those here legally.

Also:


The immigrant might not always be receiving the benefit, as with households in which a U.S.-born child qualifies for a benefit, while their undocumented or newly arrived immigrant parent does not.

It also includes some benefits available regardless of income or citizenship status.


School lunch is a nutrition program, and it’s not always means-tested, so some schools in low-income areas provide free or reduced lunches to all students, Capps explained.

so it is misleading (not surprisingly).

[Swordsmyth]

Notable: Non- citizens includes those here legally.

Also:



It also includes some benefits available regardless of income or citizenship status.



so it is misleading (not surprisingly).

:rolleyes:

[phill4paul]

Notable: Non- citizens includes those here legally.

Also:



It also includes some benefits available regardless of income or citizenship status.



so it is misleading (not surprisingly).

Lol. Your arguments just get weaker and weaker.

[TheTexan]

35% of native households are on welfare?

Seems reasonable.

[Swordsmyth]

35% of native households are on welfare?

Seems reasonable.
Some of that percentage is actually made up of illegals who are using stolen identities.

[Zippyjuan]

35% of native households are on welfare?

Seems reasonable.

If a kid gets a subsidized school lunch, the whole family is counted as on welfare. If Grannie lives with them and she is on Social Security, the whole family counts as on welfare.

[Occam's Banana]

If a kid gets a subsidized school lunch, the whole family is counted as on welfare. If Grannie lives with them and she is on Social Security, the whole family counts as on welfare.

:confused: And ... ?

Money is fungible - which means that in each of the cases you mention, the whole family IS "on welfare" (unless you want to claim that Junior is entirely self-supporting, or that household spending by Mom and/or Dad is completely unaffected in any way by Grannie's SS check).

EDIT: What's more, if both of the conditions you identify apply to the same family, then that family is "on welfare" [at least] twice - but for purposes of assessing the percentage of families "on welfare", it only gets counted once ...

[Swordsmyth]

Bump

[Swordsmyth]

bump

[Philhelm]

Can we find 300k SJW's willing to take them into their homes?

Can we find even one though?

[Philhelm]

And when they have all spanish media that they watch they develop into a separate society, that is one of the main reasons so many of them vote Demoncrat and it's why voting shouldn't be allowed in any language but english.

Naturalized citizens are supposed to be able to speak, read, and write English, at least at a low level. Elderly immigrants can get an exemption though.

[Swordsmyth]

Naturalized citizens are supposed to be able to speak, read, and write English, at least at a low level. Elderly immigrants can get an exemption though.
Even if what is supposed to be required is actually required there is still the subjective question of how fluent they are, when they come in great numbers and lump up together they tend to remain reliant on their birth language and not develop very much fluency in English or use English media or study English material, they therefore remain a separate society and develop interests and beliefs that are in conflict with the natives.

[Philhelm]

Even if what is supposed to be required is actually required there is still the subjective question of how fluent they are, when they come in great numbers and lump up together they tend to remain reliant on their birth language and not develop very much fluency in English or use English media or study English material, they therefore remain a separate society and develop interests and beliefs that are in conflict with the natives.

For what it's worth, I work in immigration law. A majority of our clients can speak English well enough, but keep in mind that most of these are people who are eligible to apply for an immigration benefit to begin with. I'd imagine that the majority of non-English speakers are comprised of illegal immigrants, or people otherwise not eligible for permanent residence/naturalization.

[Swordsmyth]

For what it's worth, I work in immigration law. A majority of our clients can speak English well enough, but keep in mind that most of these are people who are eligible to apply for an immigration benefit to begin with. I'd imagine that the majority of non-English speakers are comprised of illegal immigrants, or people otherwise not eligible for permanent residence/naturalization.
I'm sure you are right and the problem is MUCH worse with the illegals, those who go through the legal immigration process are much more likely to want to join our society or they wouldn't go to the effort of following our rules.

However there will always be a problem if too many legal immigrants are allowed and they are able to lump up in ethnic enclaves.

Ballots and voting guides etc. should only be in English.

[Zippyjuan]

I'm sure you are right and the problem is MUCH worse with the illegals, those who go through the legal immigration process are much more likely to want to join our society or they wouldn't go to the effort of following our rules.

However there will always be a problem if too many legal immigrants are allowed and they are able to lump up in ethnic enclaves.

Ballots and voting guides etc. should only be in English.

We can't have any ethnic enclaves. All you white folks- get about the country and start mingling with everybody else. Invite a few more immigrants and minorities to your own neighborhood too to mix things up.

[Swordsmyth]

We can't have any ethnic enclaves. All you white folks- get about the country and start mingling with everybody else. Invite a few more immigrants and minorities to your own neighborhood too to mix things up.
Once people are here they can do whatever they want, that is why we must limit how many are allowed to come here in order to preserve our political culture.

[Zippyjuan]

Once people are here they can do whatever they want, that is why we must limit how many are allowed to come here in order to preserve our political culture.

Just move into an enclave if you are not already in one.

[Swordsmyth]

Just move into an enclave if you are not already in one.
That doesn't solve the problem, the immigrants use government to apply their anti-liberty beliefs to me whether I live in a native "enclave" or not.

[Zippyjuan]

That doesn't solve the problem, the immigrants use government to apply their anti-liberty beliefs to me whether I live in a native "enclave" or not.

Guess you will have to move and start your own country.

[Superfluous Man]

Looks like he's not counting Social Security. I bet the statistics flip the other way if you do.

[Swordsmyth]

Guess you will have to move and start your own country.
LOL

I think I will stay here and fight for MY country, your invader friends and the excess legal immigrants can go back where they came from.
The best I will give them is to divide the country so that the insane liberals who want them can have them and I won't have to deal with them.

[Zippyjuan]

LOL

I think I will stay here and fight for MY country, your invader friends and the excess legal immigrants can go back where they came from.
The best I will give them is to divide the country so that the insane liberals who want them can have them and I won't have to deal with them.

You got a receipt for that country? If you want to fight, are you at the borders now? Guns at the ready?

[Swordsmyth]

You got a receipt for that country?
I was born here as were my ancestors for many generations and I can prove it.

You are jumping the shark, you are actually telling me I have to leave and allow the invaders to take this country away from me but you know that sounds insane and immoral so you imply that I am allowed to make my own country even though you would then require me to surrender that country to any invaders that came.

You are a traitor and a thief.

[Zippyjuan]

I was born here as were my ancestors for many generations and I can prove it.

You are jumping the shark, you are actually telling me I have to leave and allow the invaders to take this country away from me but you know that sounds insane and immoral so you imply that I am allowed to make my own country even though you would then require me to surrender that country to any invaders that came.

You are a traitor and a thief.

Meh, the country was stolen before your ancestors got here. Ask the Native Americans about that.

[Swordsmyth]

Meh, the country was stolen before your ancestors got here. Ask the Native Americans about that.
Every country was stolen from someone at some time, that is not an excuse to collaborate with any new thefts.

You are a traitor and a thief.

[Philhelm]

Meh, the country was stolen before your ancestors got here. Ask the Native Americans about that.

A cautionary tale.

[Philhelm]

I'm sure you are right and the problem is MUCH worse with the illegals, those who go through the legal immigration process are much more likely to want to join our society or they wouldn't go to the effort of following our rules.

However there will always be a problem if too many legal immigrants are allowed and they are able to lump up in ethnic enclaves.

Ballots and voting guides etc. should only be in English.

I agree that legal immigration needs to be reduced as well. It doesn't help us to import people who statistically tend to be against our notions of liberty.

[Swordsmyth]

President Donald Trump, in an exclusive Oval Office interview with Breitbart News on Monday afternoon, said he does not want immigrants coming to the United States to be dependent on welfare programs. “I don’t want to have anyone coming in that’s on welfare,” Trump told Breitbart News in the more-than-40-minute interview in the Oval Office on Monday afternoon. “We have a problem, because we have politicians that are not strong, or they have bad intentions, or they want to get votes, because they think if they come in they’re going to vote Democrat, you know, for the most part.”
Trump’s answer came in response to Breitbart News editor-in-chief Alexander Marlow citing a statistic from a report the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) published (https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Households-Access-Welfare-Programs) in December that over 60 percent of non-citizen families entering the United States end up on welfare. The report found that 63 percent of non-citizen households end up on welfare, whereas just 35 percent of native-born American households end up on welfare—a major disparity.


The report also shows that in non-citizen households with children, welfare usage skyrockets to 79.6 percent.
Trump added that while it is his belief that some industries need more workers brought in in various capacities, the Democrats and the left are pushing to bring anyone and everyone into the country regardless of the consequences.
“They’ll take anybody into this country and we’re not allowing it, but because of the success of the country economically, some people say—I blame myself, but that’s a good blame not a bad blame—but because of the country’s success and you need workers here,” Trump said. “You do need workers. You have homes in Houston, and they can’t get people to build the homes—and lots of other places. But because of what’s happened, and because of the people coming up, they want them to come in and they don’t care how they come in.”
From there, Trump added that he does not want people coming into the United States who are going to be dependent on welfare programs.
“I don’t want people that need welfare,” Trump said. “We owe a lot of money. We’re taking care of everybody in the world’s military. But now as you know I got over $100 billion from NATO countries. But that’s not enough, that’s not enough, we’re paying for massive portions of NATO. We shouldn’t be paying for this. They should be paying their own way, and we can help them, but we shouldn’t be paying for—and by the way, here’s a beauty. We pay for their military defense and then they take advantage of us on trade in addition. It used to be in order to have the trade we take care of them—but they get us both ways.”
He completed his thought in this portion of the interview by adding that it’s “no good” that the Democrats want to bring in people from other parts of the world who are dependent on welfare for decades.
“But I don’t like the idea of people coming in and going on welfare for 50 years, and that’s what they want to be able to do—and it’s no good,” Trump said.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/11/exclusive-president-donald-trump-on-immigration-i-dont-want-to-have-anyone-coming-in-thats-on-welfare/

[Swordsmyth]

https://media.breitbart.com/media/2019/03/Screen-Shot-2019-03-12-at-3.08.58-PM.png

[Swordsmyth]

https://media.breitbart.com/media/2019/03/Screen-Shot-2019-03-12-at-3.19.40-PM.png

[Stratovarious]

If a kid gets a subsidized school lunch, the whole family is counted as on welfare....

Wut?

[Stratovarious]

Meh, the country was stolen before your ancestors got here. Ask the Native Americans about that.

Indians weren't the first humans here, ask them about the Indians.

We are all just as indigenous as the Indians , because they got here before the us doesn't mean
they are 'more indigenous' .

[Zippyjuan]

Wut?

"Immigrant households using at least one welfare program". A subsidized lunch at school qualifies as using a welfare program- the entire household is counted as being on welfare. If Grannie is on Social Security, the whole household is counted as receiving at least one welfare program.

[Zippyjuan]

Indians weren't the first humans here, ask them about the Indians.

We are all just as indigenous as the Indians , because they got here before the us doesn't mean
they are 'more indigenous' .

Ask the Indians about the Indians?

[Swordsmyth]

"Immigrant households using at least one welfare program". A subsidized lunch at school qualifies as using a welfare program- the entire household is counted as being on welfare. If Grannie is on Social Security, the whole household is counted as receiving at least one welfare program.
So?
The entire household's budget is subsidized.

[Stratovarious]

If a kid gets a subsidized school lunch, the whole family is counted as on welfare.....


"Immigrant households using at least one welfare program". A subsidized lunch at school qualifies as using a welfare program- the entire household is counted as being on welfare. ...

Don't mind me but this sounds like complete blsht.

[Stratovarious]

Ask the Indians about the Indians?
Ask the humans that were here before them.
Indians immigrated here too.

[Zippyjuan]

Don't mind me but this sounds like complete blsht.

It is, but it helps make the "welfare" numbers look a lot worse than they really are. That is why it is used.

[Swordsmyth]

It is, but it helps make the "welfare" numbers look a lot worse than they really are. That is why it is used.

It makes perfect sense, the family would have had to pay if the government didn't.

The family's budget is subsidized.