Trump Administration Approves Airgun Blasting in Atlantic

[Swordsmyth]

The Trump administration today approved five permits that allow harm to whales, dolphins and other animals so companies can search for oil off the Atlantic Coast using loud seismic airgun blasts (https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/campaigns/seismic_blasting/). Allowing these exploration activities from Delaware to Florida is the first step toward opening the Atlantic to new oil drilling, as the administration proposed in January.

More at: https://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-administration-approves-harmful-airgun-blasting-in-atlantic/5661650

[charrob]

The permits allow the firing of seismic airguns from ships every 10 seconds, 24 hours a day, for weeks at a time, at a noise level that would rupture a human eardrum.


Their ears are their eyes. Their eyesight itself is very limited. Their ears are what allows them to “see” the world around them, to know how far away from them predators, food, and the rest of their pod are. Their ears are so sensitive whales can talk to one another when they are hundreds of miles apart. In cases of seismic blasting which killed marine mammals like in Peru a few years back or Madagascar, necropsies on marine mammals who didnt just sink in the ocean (which most do when they die) but were found in the thousands dead on the beaches were shown with blood pouring out of their ears. These necropsies also showed that these marine mammals were otherwise healthy: the seismic blasting itself busted their eardrums and killed them. In other cases where the seismic blasting didnt kill marine mammals immediately, it did deafen them so they died a slow agonizing death of starvation (because they could not find food since they were now blind) or were easy prey to predators.


More than 220 municipalities along the Atlantic and Gulf coasts have formally opposed oil and gas drilling and seismic airgun blasting.


Yes almost every single township along the US East Coast has voted against this. Every East Coast governor except Maine’s governor has come out against this — both Republican and Democrat. State attorney generals and state congressmen have come out against this along the whole east coast. And US congressmen from both parties have strongly come out against this... including libertarian leaning Republicans like Walter Jones (NC) and Mark Sanford (SC).

i believe God wants man to live in harmony with, and care for, the natural world and all its sentient beings, not exploit and destroy it for greed, power, money and selfishness. There are 7 billion humans on this earth and 411 right whales left on the planet. If the seismic blasting doesnt completely destroy their species, the endless everyday oil spills coming our way in the Atlantic will. Oil companies are supposed to call in their endless spills but they dont because they would have to pay for the damage they have done: volunteers who do flyovers of the Gulf have found not only do the oil companies not call in their spills but when they do, they vastly underestimate it so their penalty is minimal. The coast guard simply doesnt have the manpower to monitor the literally tens of thousands of oil wells in the Gulf of Mexico. So the Gulf is dying. One volunteer who is a retired physicist from NASA said decades ago when she did flyovers, the Gulf was teeming with life. She told me when she does flyovers now it is rare when she sees any life. Scientists who evaluated the blubber of sperm whales all over the planet reported that the blubber of sperm whales from the Gulf of Mexico was more polluted and filled with toxins than anywhere else on earth. Shrimp from the Gulf of Mexico have been found in large numbers to be deformed from exposure to bp oil: many have huge downs syndrome type heads, no eyes, and other deformities.

The elements in oil like benzene are carcinogenic — bottlenose dolphins off Louisiana are continuing to suffer and die from exposure to oil. Many also miscarry calfs because oil greatly affects the reproductive systems of mammals (including humans). A few years back a bottlenose dolphin in the Gulf carried around her miscarried and dead calf for weeks hoping it would take its first breath of air. Finally after weeks of this heartbreaking scene, she pushed her dead calf to a nearby boat of recreational fishermen who said it was like she was saying “i can’t make my calf take its first breath of air: can you help me”? When they couldnt do anything, she finally accepted the reality and swam away leaving her dead calf to fall to the bottom. Similarly the population of humpback whales off Valdez have literally had no calfs since that oil spill decades ago and as the population ages there will eventually be no more from that pod.

Taylor Energy has been spilling oil nonstop into the Gulf of Mexico for 14 years: the estimated 700 barrels a day which spill from their oil well started when a hurricane ripped up production wells and could continue spilling oil at this same rate for the rest of the century, according to the Interior Department. Hurricanes in the Gulf Coast are relatively mild compared to the Atlantic. 40 foot waves are not unusual in the Atlantic. There will be huge oil spills from this and because of the Gulf Stream these spills will not be able to be contained in one location. The coastal communities up and down the east coast and the $billions their economies generate from tourism and the seafood industry will be destroyed. Trump will destroy the livelihoods of millions of people for a finite amount of oil. And, yes, as is currently occurring in the Gulf of Mexico and in the one well off California’s coast, federal law allows the dumping of all extremely toxic fracking chemicals into federal waters for offshore fracking for gas. All this so the US can sell even more gas than it already does to the 1.3 billion humans in India and the rest of the planet.

If you want to drill for oil or gas, drill on land. Oil and water do not mix. Yes the Gulf has seeps, and these seeps are small enough that natural bacteria around them can consume them without harming other life. But the bacteria cannot keep up with the unnatural endless oil spills from tens of thousands of offshore wells. And people on the Atlantic seaboard in coastal communities have made it very clear to Trump (as they did to Obama) that they do not want this. Trump needs to listen to the millions of people who will be negatively affected by this rather than being a crony corporatist for the oil companies.

7 billion humans on this planet. 411 right whales. Scientists predict by the year 2045 there will be no more wild fish in the sea because of overfishing and human pollution. The ocean produces 50 percent of the oxygen on our planet. How? The excrement of fish fertizes the phytoplankton which produces the oxygen. No more fish in the oceans mean the oceans die: and when the oceans die, we die.

Even if you don’t care about the suffering, dying and extinction of intelligent, sentient, marine mammals, even if you don’t care that $billion dollar tourism and seafood economies along the east coast will be destroyed, do you really want to eat deformed shrimp, polluted fish and seafood, and push forward to a day when all life in our oceans are gone? Many here will say ‘yes’, and that is where i differ strongly with libertarians. i don’t want to live in a world overpopulated with humans that have completely exploited and destroyed the natural world: everytime i drive through the overpopulated northern Virginia where it’s a challenge to find a blade of green grass in a concrete jungle, i cringe. Joni Mitchell was right when she sang: “Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone; they paved paradise and they put up a parking lot.” I believe God wants us to care for the natural world and sentient beings we share this earth with, not destroy and exploit it for human and corporate greed, power, and selfishness. And apparently voting municipalities along the entire east coast, representing millions of people currently living in harmony with nature, agree.

[enhanced_deficit]

After reading title thought MAGA was boosting Airgun Rights but this is still pretty amazing.


Their ears are their eyes. Their eyesight itself is very limited. Their ears are what allows them to “see” the world around them, to know how far away from them predators, food, and the rest of their pod are. Their ears are so sensitive whales can talk to one another when they are hundreds of miles apart.. .

They are not Americans.

[bunklocoempire]

A thumbs up for a pay to play system on the RPFs.

lol

3 x 5

[Swordsmyth]

A thumbs up for a pay to play system on the RPFs.

lol

3 x 5
Support for government restrictions on private enterprise on RPFs

LOL

3x5

[bunklocoempire]

Support for government restrictions on private enterprise on RPFs

LOL

3x5

I don't get it. Are you saying that permits are free?

Do you understand what pay to play means?

[Swordsmyth]

I don't get it. Are you saying that permits are free?

Do you understand what pay to play means?
Are you saying a ban is better?

[bunklocoempire]

I said what I said. Is your comprehension limited?

[Swordsmyth]

I said what I said. Is your comprehension limited?
You said that moving from a ban to permits is bad.

That would seem to indicate that a ban is better than permits.

That is nonsense, this is an improvement.

[bunklocoempire]

You said that moving from a ban to permits is bad.

That would seem to indicate that a ban is better than permits.

That is nonsense, this is an improvement.

As far as I can tell, you are not a business owner. If you are not a business owner, or have not dabbled in business, I can't really expect you to understand.

Keep on keeping on, non business owner.

[Swordsmyth]

As far as I can tell, you are not a business owner. If you are not a business owner, or have not dabbled in business, I can't really expect you to understand.
Tell me how a ban is better.

[bunklocoempire]

Tell me how a ban is better.

You touted pay to play, first.

(3 x 5)

[Swordsmyth]

As far as I can tell, you are not a business owner. If you are not a business owner, or have not dabbled in business, I can't really expect you to understand.

Keep on keeping on, non business owner.
I have helped to run the family business, it was much better to be able to get a permit than if we had been banned entirely.

[bunklocoempire]

Astound me, employee.

[Swordsmyth]

You touted pay to play, first.
There was a ban and Trump moved in the right direction to a permit system, it isn't better but it is an improvement.

[Swordsmyth]

Astound me, employee.
You need to astound me by explaining how a ban is better than a permit system.

[bunklocoempire]

It isn't better, but it's an improvement? Perhaps you are a bot.

[Swordsmyth]

It isn't better, but it's an improvement. Perhaps you are a bot.

A ban is an improvement?

Do explain how.

[bunklocoempire]

There was a ban and Trump moved in the right direction to a permit system, it isn't better but it is an improvement.

Brilliant.

[bunklocoempire]

Pay to play.

[Swordsmyth]

Brilliant.
You have yet to explain how a permit system isn't an improvement.

[Swordsmyth]

Pay to play.
What's so great about a ban?

[bunklocoempire]

What family business, ss?

A business where permits give you an edge over your competition?

[bunklocoempire]

Explain your government aggression angle.

[Swordsmyth]

What family business, ss?

A business where permits give you an edge over your competition?
A business where permits allowed us to operate at all.

It was a propane delivery business.

People would have been much worse off in the area if it had been banned entirely.

[bunklocoempire]

Hello?

Oh yes, the crystal ball. Just what I expected.

[Swordsmyth]

Explain your government aggression angle.

Less is better than more.

Now you explain how more is supposed to be better than less.

[Swordsmyth]

Hello?
Hello?

[bunklocoempire]

Fuck the whale watching business, ss's family business is what's important here..

[Swordsmyth]

Hello?

Oh yes, the crystal ball. Just what I expected.
Are you talking to someone else?
Someone in your head perhaps?

[Swordsmyth]

$#@! the whale watching business, ss's family business is what's important here..
So you want the government to pick whale watchers to win and oil drillers to lose?
How very libertarian.:rolleyes:

[bunklocoempire]

See how this works? Pay to play is your only way, according to ss. He loves his country. (some of it)

[bunklocoempire]

So you want the government to pick whale watchers to win and oil drillers to lose?
How very libertarian.:rolleyes:

I'm so glad you wrote that.

[bunklocoempire]

Pay to play.

[Swordsmyth]

See how this works? Pay to play is your only way, according to ss. He loves his country. (some of it)
I can't get anarchy but this is a reduction of government interference and it is an improvement.
You would rather have the government ban everything if you can't have anarchy, or is it just that you want them to ban things you don't like and allow things you do?

[bunklocoempire]

Let's go, keep it coming you family business "helper".

[bunklocoempire]

Pay to play is the only way.

lol

[Swordsmyth]

I'm so glad you wrote that.


Pay to play.
That settles it, you are on something.

[Swordsmyth]

Pay to play is the only way.

lol
Tell me how we are supposed to push a button and get anarchy or how a ban is better.

[bunklocoempire]

I can't get anarchy but this is a reduction of government interference and it is an improvement.
You would rather have the government ban everything if you can't have anarchy, or is it just that you want them to ban things you don't like and allow things you do?

You have no idea what liberty means, do you?

[bunklocoempire]

Pay to play is what the RPFs have become.

[bunklocoempire]

Hello?

[Swordsmyth]

You have no idea what liberty means, do you?
It is apparent that you don't.

Put up or shut up.
Explain how a ban is better or how we can push a button and get anarchy.

[Swordsmyth]

Hello?
I'm done arguing with someone who is on a trip.

Get back with us when you are sober.

[bunklocoempire]

It is apparent that you don't.

Put up or shut up.
Explain how a ban is better or how we can push a button and get anarchy.

Nice try, family "helper".

[bunklocoempire]

ss knows what liberty means, but pay to play is okay.

[Swordsmyth]

Nice try, family "helper".


I'm done arguing with someone who is on a trip.

Get back with us when you are sober.

...

[bunklocoempire]

Hello? Yeah, that's what I thought.

[bunklocoempire]

Pay to play, is OK with swordsmyth.

[Swordsmyth]

Pay to play, is OK with swordsmyth.
Bans are OK with bunklocoempire.

[bunklocoempire]

Awesome OP.

If you believe in pay to play,

[bunklocoempire]

So what edge do you enjoy (pay to play), helping with your family's business?

(for better understanding)

[bunklocoempire]

Hello?

[bunklocoempire]

You got nothing, except fear and false pride.

[bunklocoempire]

26,0000 + posts.

Pay to play is the best he comes up with.

[bunklocoempire]

Pay to play? Hello?

[bunklocoempire]

Pay to play. Hello proud business owners.

[bunklocoempire]

Nice try, ss.

[bunklocoempire]

3 x 5 card hell bent on obfuscating. Can I get a pay to play answer on the RPF fucking forums?

[bunklocoempire]

Pay to play is what ss is all about.

What a fearless "leader".

[bunklocoempire]

swordsmyth dropped out of his own discussion.. LOL

[bunklocoempire]

Laugh, cry, or throw a fit.

Fuck the whales, ss needs a pay to play solution that jives with his conscience.

[Anti Federalist]

Good.

Been in the offshore oil drilling business for 25 years now.

99 percent of what the public thinks they know about it, is wrong.

[bunklocoempire]

Good.

Been in the offshore oil drilling business for 25 years now.

99 percent of what the public thinks they know about it, is wrong.

Do tell.


You're not in a pay to play business... or are you?

Got your own business AF?

[bunklocoempire]

Yeah, exactly what I thought.



But your self appointed "activism" is amazing.

Fucking embarrassing.

[Anti Federalist]

Yeah, exactly what I thought.



But your self appointed "activism" is amazing.

Fucking embarrassing.

Excuse me?

[bunklocoempire]

Did I stutter?

[Anti Federalist]

Did I stutter?

Neg rep, dog cussing me, what the fuck is up with you?

You want answers, or you want to play tough guy on the internet?

ETA - Or did I touch a raw nerve?

[bunklocoempire]

Neg rep, dog cussing me, what the fuck is up with you?

You want answers, or you want to play tough guy on the internet?

ETA - Or did I touch a raw nerve?

I want truthful answers. Not this pay for play b.s.

[Anti Federalist]

Fuck the whales, ss needs a pay to play solution that jives with his conscience.

I can't speak for SS, but my conscience is fine.

I undertake a risky and dangerous line of work to provide a vital product, that if it were to disappear tomorrow, half the world's population would die inside of thirty days, including you.

[Anti Federalist]

I want truthful answers. Not this pay for play b.s.

Truthful answers to what?

Are you high or something?

[bunklocoempire]

Truthful answers to what?

Are you high or something?

Pay to play, do understand the concept and what is wrong with it?

[Anti Federalist]

Pay to play, do understand the concept and what is wrong with it?

Ummm, yeah, and that applies here how, exactly?

Are you talking about block lease fees?

Bribes?

What, specifically?

[bunklocoempire]

Permits. What don;t you understand about seeking permission from government?

[Anti Federalist]

Permits. What don;t you understand about seeking permission from government?

So you are angry that the American people get paid royalties from oil companies drilling and producing on federally "owned" offshore lease blocks?

Is that it?

[Anti Federalist]

Well, I just read through the whole thread again, trying to figure out exactly what your issue is, and haven't had much luck.

Frankly, you're coming off as drunk or high.

We've never been party to any major disagreement, so I'm not sure what all the vitriol is for, but, whatever.

If you're trying to make the case that the seafloor should be bought and sold as private property, you probably have a point, although if your goal is to stop offshore oil drilling, all that would do is make it easier, with less oversight and regulation.

Get back to me when you sober up.

[bunklocoempire]

So you are angry that the American people get paid royalties from oil companies drilling and producing on federally "owned" offshore lease blocks?

Is that it?

Is government involved?

Yes.

Does government constantly fuck with my life? Yes.

"Anti-federalist" by a long stretch. 10 years ago you were my inspiration, and now you are also now my reason to distance myself from the RPFs.

But hey, no big deal. Pay to play and you get yours. You follow orders well enough, provide for your family.

I don't follow orders, and God willing, I will provide for mine. God bless.

[bunklocoempire]

Pay to play "Anti Federalist" approved.

[specsaregood]

I agree with bunklo. These companies shouldn't have to pay for any stinking permit. They should just go in there and do their blasting wherever they feel like it and have the hardware to blow away anybody that comes around trying to stop them.

[phill4paul]

Lol. This place sometimes.

[bunklocoempire]

That settles it, you are on something.

Liberty, it's a fucking rush.

[bunklocoempire]

Lol. This place sometimes.

Pay to play fan? I really can't tell any more.

[shakey1]

:collision:

[bunklocoempire]

I can't get anarchy but this is a reduction of government interference and it is an improvement.
You would rather have the government ban everything if you can't have anarchy, or is it just that you want them to ban things you don't like and allow things you do?

If you were a true businessman, you would understand that a silent partner with a gun is just a silent partner with a gun.

[phill4paul]

Pay to play fan? I really can't tell any more.

You're really hung on "pay to play" and "3x5 index card."

[bunklocoempire]

You're really hung on "pay to play" and "3x5 index card."

If you've run a business, you can be fair about the conversation.

phil4paul, your'e a hustler as far as I can tell, I doubt you would use government aggression to get a leg up on me.

[phill4paul]

If you've run a business, you can be fair about the conversation.

phil4paul, your'e a hustler as far as I can tell, I doubt you would use government aggression to get a leg up on me.

Then why did you write that you really can't tell anymore? Sounds like you are trying to pick fights to me. Which doesn't sound like you to be honest.

[bunklocoempire]

Then why did you write that you really can't tell anymore? Sounds like you are trying to pick fights to me. Which doesn't sound like you to be honest.

I apologize, out of everyone, you've been the most honest with me/the forums.

I didn't agree with your reasoning a while back, but then again I'm not in much of a position to help you or try to offer help.

Your honesty I do appreciate.

[bunklocoempire]

I can't speak for SS, but my conscience is fine.



I undertake a risky and dangerous line of work to provide a vital product, that if it were to disappear tomorrow, half the world's population would die inside of thirty days, including you.

I missed this before. Sounds like a lot of false pride due to a bad relationship with your father. You know what? You don't have a clue what a good relationship with a father is, so I forgive you for that condescending savior bull shit crack.


Oh shit, now my wife wants to send you a $20 for keeping us alive... what to do what to do...

[Anti Federalist]

Is government involved?

Yes.

Does government constantly fuck with my life? Yes.

"Anti-federalist" by a long stretch. 10 years ago you were my inspiration, and now you are also now my reason to distance myself from the RPFs.

But hey, no big deal. Pay to play and you get yours. You follow orders well enough, provide for your family.

I don't follow orders, and God willing, I will provide for mine. God bless.

Ah, I see...

Well, look, if you live your life without paying a single dime in taxes, without ever using a government road, or getting off the island through government airport or navigating through a government maintained waterway, or using government printed FRNs, then good for you, you're a better man than I, and I truly mean that, the same way I do when I meet people that will not pay income taxes out of principle.

I did the same thing for years, and it almost put me in prison, and some people I know personally are there now for that.

But the bottom line is, everybody has to do something for a living, principles or not.

Alex Jones hawks dick pills and water filters.

Hell, every other day I get an email from Ron Paul (or at least with his name on it) begging for money, he's peddled Porter Stansberry's nonsense and $2000 food dehydrators.

One of my prized possessions is a shipping manifest signed by Sam Adams.

Nothing unique about it, just a minor piece of office flotsam with his name on it.

You know what else is on it?

King George's Stamp Act tax stamp.

[phill4paul]

I apologize, out of everyone, you've been the most honest with me/the forums.

I didn't agree with your reasoning a while back, but then again I'm not in much of a position to help you or try to offer help.

Your honesty I do appreciate.

No worries, man. I'd suggest taking a break from the interwebz. You're never far from a beach where your from. Go get some sand in your toes and smell of the salt. It'd do more good than being notified and replying to it. IMHO.

[Anti Federalist]

I missed this before. Sounds like a lot of false pride due to a bad relationship with your father. You know what? You don't have a clue what a good relationship with a father is, so I forgive you for that condescending savior bull shit crack.


Oh shit, now my wife wants to send you a $20 for keeping us alive... what to do what to do...

Nah...not worth it...bad karma.

[bunklocoempire]

:handpeace:

[kahless]

The ocean threat you've never heard of, but Trump made easier
https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/energy-environment/337446-seismic-blasting-the-ocean-threat-youve-never-heard-of

Blasts are emitted about every 10 seconds, 24 hours a day. Testing can last for weeks and be heard for hundreds of miles.

A typical rock concert is about 120 decibels. The volume of seismic blasts is about twice that — ranging from 200 to 260 decibels. That’s loud enough to burst the human eardrum.

I wonder how close you would have to be in order for it to effect the human ear. Lets say you have no clue what is going on and are swimming off a boat or below deck in a sailboat.

[dannno]

You have no idea what liberty means, do you?

Requiring a permit is more liberty than a total ban.

Let's say under the permit system, the permit costs $1. If you don't buy a permit, you have to pay a $10 fine.

Let's say when it is banned, you get 50 years in prison.

It seems pretty clear which system gives you greater liberty.

There isn't a single person here who disagrees that government regulation is bad. But an intelligent person understands that some types of government regulation is worse than others.

[fcreature]

Laugh, cry, or throw a fit.

$#@! the whales, ss needs a pay to play solution that jives with his conscience.

12 meaningless posts in a row talking to yourself. What is going on in this thread?

[Origanalist]

Good.

Been in the offshore oil drilling business for 25 years now.

99 percent of what the public thinks they know about it, is wrong.

What do you know about airgun blasting? I'm asking out of sheer ignorance.

[Dr.3D]

Yeah, if there were true liberty, I would be able to fly without using an airplane.

Since I have to have an airplane to fly, I guess it's going to be pay to play.

3x5 doesn't cut it, not enough surface area for lift.

Do I sound sane enough to be posting in this thread?

[Ender]

Their ears are their eyes. Their eyesight itself is very limited. Their ears are what allows them to “see” the world around them, to know how far away from them predators, food, and the rest of their pod are. Their ears are so sensitive whales can talk to one another when they are hundreds of miles apart. In cases of seismic blasting which killed marine mammals like in Peru a few years back or Madagascar, necropsies on marine mammals who didnt just sink in the ocean (which most do when they die) but were found in the thousands dead on the beaches were shown with blood pouring out of their ears. These necropsies also showed that these marine mammals were otherwise healthy: the seismic blasting itself busted their eardrums and killed them. In other cases where the seismic blasting didnt kill marine mammals immediately, it did deafen them so they died a slow agonizing death of starvation (because they could not find food since they were now blind) or were easy prey to predators.




Yes almost every single township along the US East Coast has voted against this. Every East Coast governor except Maine’s governor has come out against this — both Republican and Democrat. State attorney generals and state congressmen have come out against this along the whole east coast. And US congressmen from both parties have strongly come out against this... including libertarian leaning Republicans like Walter Jones (NC) and Mark Sanford (SC).

i believe God wants man to live in harmony with, and care for, the natural world and all its sentient beings, not exploit and destroy it for greed, power, money and selfishness. There are 7 billion humans on this earth and 411 right whales left on the planet. If the seismic blasting doesnt completely destroy their species, the endless everyday oil spills coming our way in the Atlantic will. Oil companies are supposed to call in their endless spills but they dont because they would have to pay for the damage they have done: volunteers who do flyovers of the Gulf have found not only do the oil companies not call in their spills but when they do, they vastly underestimate it so their penalty is minimal. The coast guard simply doesnt have the manpower to monitor the literally tens of thousands of oil wells in the Gulf of Mexico. So the Gulf is dying. One volunteer who is a retired physicist from NASA said decades ago when she did flyovers, the Gulf was teeming with life. She told me when she does flyovers now it is rare when she sees any life. Scientists who evaluated the blubber of sperm whales all over the planet reported that the blubber of sperm whales from the Gulf of Mexico was more polluted and filled with toxins than anywhere else on earth. Shrimp from the Gulf of Mexico have been found in large numbers to be deformed from exposure to bp oil: many have huge downs syndrome type heads, no eyes, and other deformities.

The elements in oil like benzene are carcinogenic — bottlenose dolphins off Louisiana are continuing to suffer and die from exposure to oil. Many also miscarry calfs because oil greatly affects the reproductive systems of mammals (including humans). A few years back a bottlenose dolphin in the Gulf carried around her miscarried and dead calf for weeks hoping it would take its first breath of air. Finally after weeks of this heartbreaking scene, she pushed her dead calf to a nearby boat of recreational fishermen who said it was like she was saying “i can’t make my calf take its first breath of air: can you help me”? When they couldnt do anything, she finally accepted the reality and swam away leaving her dead calf to fall to the bottom. Similarly the population of humpback whales off Valdez have literally had no calfs since that oil spill decades ago and as the population ages there will eventually be no more from that pod.

Taylor Energy has been spilling oil nonstop into the Gulf of Mexico for 14 years: the estimated 700 barrels a day which spill from their oil well started when a hurricane ripped up production wells and could continue spilling oil at this same rate for the rest of the century, according to the Interior Department. Hurricanes in the Gulf Coast are relatively mild compared to the Atlantic. 40 foot waves are not unusual in the Atlantic. There will be huge oil spills from this and because of the Gulf Stream these spills will not be able to be contained in one location. The coastal communities up and down the east coast and the $billions their economies generate from tourism and the seafood industry will be destroyed. Trump will destroy the livelihoods of millions of people for a finite amount of oil. And, yes, as is currently occurring in the Gulf of Mexico and in the one well off California’s coast, federal law allows the dumping of all extremely toxic fracking chemicals into federal waters for offshore fracking for gas. All this so the US can sell even more gas than it already does to the 1.3 billion humans in India and the rest of the planet.

If you want to drill for oil or gas, drill on land. Oil and water do not mix. Yes the Gulf has seeps, and these seeps are small enough that natural bacteria around them can consume them without harming other life. But the bacteria cannot keep up with the unnatural endless oil spills from tens of thousands of offshore wells. And people on the Atlantic seaboard in coastal communities have made it very clear to Trump (as they did to Obama) that they do not want this. Trump needs to listen to the millions of people who will be negatively affected by this rather than being a crony corporatist for the oil companies.

7 billion humans on this planet. 411 right whales. Scientists predict by the year 2045 there will be no more wild fish in the sea because of overfishing and human pollution. The ocean produces 50 percent of the oxygen on our planet. How? The excrement of fish fertizes the phytoplankton which produces the oxygen. No more fish in the oceans mean the oceans die: and when the oceans die, we die.

Even if you don’t care about the suffering, dying and extinction of intelligent, sentient, marine mammals, even if you don’t care that $billion dollar tourism and seafood economies along the east coast will be destroyed, do you really want to eat deformed shrimp, polluted fish and seafood, and push forward to a day when all life in our oceans are gone? Many here will say ‘yes’, and that is where i differ strongly with libertarians. i don’t want to live in a world overpopulated with humans that have completely exploited and destroyed the natural world: everytime i drive through the overpopulated northern Virginia where it’s a challenge to find a blade of green grass in a concrete jungle, i cringe. Joni Mitchell was right when she sang: “Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone; they paved paradise and they put up a parking lot.” I believe God wants us to care for the natural world and sentient beings we share this earth with, not destroy and exploit it for human and corporate greed, power, and selfishness. And apparently voting municipalities along the entire east coast, representing millions of people currently living in harmony with nature, agree.

I totally agree with this- 1 billion %.

+ REP

[Anti Federalist]

What do you know about airgun blasting? I'm asking out of sheer ignorance.

It's a process to use sound waves to "paint" a sonar picture of the sub surface formations that are likely to hold oil.

It is essentially a giant "ultrasound" using compressed air blasts to generate the sonic waves.

[Anti Federalist]

And people on the Atlantic seaboard in coastal communities have made it very clear to Trump (as they did to Obama) that they do not want this.
Umm, they already have it, at least off of New England.

Due to the World Court "Hague Line" decision of 1984, Canadian territorial seas were moved south, west and east of Nova Scotia.

They are currently drilling in areas essentially 100 nm east of Bar Harbor.


Every East Coast governor except Maine’s governor has come out against this

LePage was smart enough to realize that.

[Anti Federalist]

Even if you don’t care about the suffering, dying and extinction of intelligent, sentient, marine mammals, even if you don’t care that $billion dollar tourism and seafood economies along the east coast will be destroyed, do you really want to eat deformed shrimp, polluted fish and seafood, and push forward to a day when all life in our oceans are gone? Many here will say ‘yes’, and that is where i differ strongly with libertarians. i don’t want to live in a world overpopulated with humans that have completely exploited and destroyed the natural world: everytime i drive through the overpopulated northern Virginia where it’s a challenge to find a blade of green grass in a concrete jungle, i cringe. Joni Mitchell was right when she sang: “Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone; they paved paradise and they put up a parking lot.” I believe God wants us to care for the natural world and sentient beings we share this earth with, not destroy and exploit it for human and corporate greed, power, and selfishness. And apparently voting municipalities along the entire east coast, representing millions of people currently living in harmony with nature, agree.

You know how you reduce human impact and overpopulation?

By generating wealth.

First world nations reduce human impact and have declining birth rates.

You know how you generate wealth?

With cheap and easily obtainable energy.

[Anti Federalist]

And, yes, as is currently occurring in the Gulf of Mexico and in the one well off California’s coast, federal law allows the dumping of all extremely toxic fracking chemicals into federal waters for offshore fracking for gas.

Overlapping UN regulations and MARPOL regulations have declared the USGoM to be a "Special Area".

No discharges of any type, other than food waste ground to bits less than 25mm, and more than 12 miles offshore are permitted.

Waste cuttings, fracking chemicals, drilling fluids, household trash and dunnage are all collected for disposal and treatment at shoreside facilities.

It was, in fact, compliance with these regulations, that was a major contributor to the chain of events that led to the Deepwater Horizon disaster.

[Anti Federalist]

Hurricanes in the Gulf Coast are relatively mild compared to the Atlantic

This is false.

The deadliest natural disaster EVER in US history was the 1900 Galveston, Texas hurricane.

Camille, Katrina, Rita, Harvey, Wilma (the most powerful hurricane ever) also come to mind.

All US GoM

[Swordsmyth]

I agree with bunklo. These companies shouldn't have to pay for any stinking permit. They should just go in there and do their blasting wherever they feel like it and have the hardware to blow away anybody that comes around trying to stop them.
That's not the point, we would all like even less government involvement but ending a BAN is an improvement.

[Anti Federalist]

i believe God wants man to live in harmony with, and care for, the natural world and all its sentient beings, not exploit and destroy it for greed, power, money and selfishness.

Fair enough.

I quit.

Now, pay my mortgage.

[Anti Federalist]

The coastal communities up and down the east coast and the $billions their economies generate from tourism and the seafood industry will be destroyed. Trump will destroy the livelihoods of millions of people for a finite amount of oil.

You know what destroyed the commercial fishing industry?

Government.

You know what did decades of damage to NJ tourism?

Garbage and needles on the beaches.

You know who dumped that shit?

Government.

[Anti Federalist]

So the Gulf is dying.

This also false, and all I have to do right this second is look.

If anything is doing damage, it is the algae blooms causing oxygen deprivation.

Triggered by runoff from the rivers, caused by fertilizer pollution.

Millions of tons of which are used to grow ethanol corn stock, to adulterate petroleum based gasoline, which makes it less efficient, more costly and a net energy loser.

Mandated by...government.

[Anti Federalist]

I totally agree with this- 1 billion %.

+ REP

So opening the doors to millions of poor, poorly educated, overbreeding migrants will help this situation how, exactly?

http://conservativefighters.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/mess-migrants.jpg

[Anti Federalist]

Scientists predict by the year 2045 there will be no more wild fish in the sea because of overfishing and human pollution.

They predicted that commercially affordable petroleum would be gone by 2000.

They predicted that the US had hit "Peak Oil" in 1970 and that we would have to import more and more, at higher and higher prices, forever.

The US is now the largest producer in the world.

A gallon of gas costs less now, adjusted for currency devaluation, than it did in 1965.

[Anti Federalist]

Yes the Gulf has seeps, and these seeps are small enough that natural bacteria around them can consume them without harming other life.

Naturally occurring seeps release between one and five MILLION gallons every year in the US GoM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_seep)

[Anti Federalist]

I could de-construct this all day long, point by point by point.

But this apparently has stuck a nerve, and elicited some really ugly responses, so I'm inclined to just drop it.

Go ahead, live in darkness, see if I care, dark is cheap and I'll get by...

[specsaregood]

I could de-construct this all day long, point by point by point.

But this apparently has stuck a nerve, and elicited some really ugly responses, so I'm inclined to just drop it.

Go ahead, live in darkness, see if I care, dark is cheap and I'll get by...

I was rather enjoying your deconstruction.

[Origanalist]

I was rather enjoying your deconstruction.

It's why I asked. Things still get hashed out pretty good here once in a while, like the good old days....

[Suzanimal]

So you are angry that the American people get paid royalties from oil companies drilling and producing on federally "owned" offshore lease blocks?

Is that it?

Should I be keeping my eye out for a royalty check?:)


I could de-construct this all day long, point by point by point.

But this apparently has stuck a nerve, and elicited some really ugly responses, so I'm inclined to just drop it.

Go ahead, live in darkness, see if I care, dark is cheap and I'll get by...


I was rather enjoying your deconstruction.

Me, too.

[dannno]

I could de-construct this all day long, point by point by point.

But this apparently has stuck a nerve, and elicited some really ugly responses, so I'm inclined to just drop it.

Go ahead, live in darkness, see if I care, dark is cheap and I'll get by...

What about the whales?

[Anti Federalist]

Should I be keeping my eye out for a royalty check?:)

Write your congresscritter.

It would work out to what, about 30 cents? (https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/u-s-offshore-lease-bids-marginally-higher-than-last-year)

[Anti Federalist]

What about the whales?

What kept whales from being hunted to extinction?

Discovery of drilled petroleum wells.

[kahless]

I could de-construct this all day long, point by point by point.

But this apparently has stuck a nerve, and elicited some really ugly responses, so I'm inclined to just drop it.

Go ahead, live in darkness, see if I care, dark is cheap and I'll get by...


I was rather enjoying your deconstruction.

Same here.

AF, curious what your thoughts are on possible effects to humans near by?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528915-Trump-Administration-Approves-Airgun-Blasting-in-Atlantic&p=6716487&viewfull=1#post6716487

[dannno]

What kept whales from being hunted to extinction?

Discovery of drilled petroleum wells.

Out of rep.

[Anti Federalist]

The ocean threat you've never heard of, but Trump made easier
https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/energy-environment/337446-seismic-blasting-the-ocean-threat-youve-never-heard-of


I wonder how close you would have to be in order for it to effect the human ear. Lets say you have no clue what is going on and are swimming off a boat or below deck in a sailboat.

The old systems (1960s - 1970s) used dynamite blasts.

The next gen systems used massive air bursts.

The current ones are quiet enough where I have passed within a mile or two and heard nothing at all.

[Swordsmyth]

You must spread some reputation around before giving it to AF again.


Someone please cover me.

[kahless]

The old systems (1960s - 1970s) used dynamite blasts.

The next gen systems used massive air bursts.

The current ones are quiet enough where I have passed within a mile or two and heard nothing at all.

Do you think it is fear mongering or is there something to what they wrote here?


Blasts are emitted about every 10 seconds, 24 hours a day. Testing can last for weeks and be heard for hundreds of miles.

A typical rock concert is about 120 decibels. The volume of seismic blasts is about twice that — ranging from 200 to 260 decibels. That’s loud enough to burst the human eardrum.

[Anti Federalist]

Do you think it is fear mongering or is there something to what they wrote here?

If you put your head right up next to one I suppose.

[Dr.3D]

Military sonar has about the same DB intensity. That's why they turn it off when there are divers over the side.