PDA

View Full Version : America Is Headed For Military Defeat in Afghanistan




Origanalist
11-30-2018, 09:25 PM
It is time to acknowledge this is more than political. We can lose on the battlefield, and it's happening right now.


By DANNY SJURSEN • November 30, 2018

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/afghanistan-marines.jpg

There’s a prevailing maxim, both inside the armed forces and around the Beltway, that goes something like this: “The U.S. can never be militarily defeated in any war,” certainly not by some third world country. Heck, I used to believe that myself. That’s why, in regard to Afghanistan, we’ve been told that while America could lose the war due to political factors (such as the lack of grit among “soft” liberals or defeatists), the military could never and will never lose on the battlefield.

That entire maxim is about to be turned on its head. Get ready, because we’re about to lose this war militarily.

Consider this: the U.S. military has advised, assisted, battled, and bombed in Afghanistan for 17-plus years. Ground troop levels have fluctuated from lows of some 10,000 to upwards of 100,000 servicemen and women. None of that has achieved more than a tie, a bloody stalemate. Now, in the 18th year of this conflict, the Kabul-Washington coalition’s military is outright losing.

Let’s begin with the broader measures. The Taliban controls or contests more districts—some 44 percent—than at any time since the 2001 invasion. Total combatant and civilian casualties are forecasted to top 20,000 this year—another dreadful broken record. What’s more, Afghan military casualties are frankly unsustainable: the Taliban are killing more than the government can recruit. The death rates are staggering, numbering 5,500 fatalities in 2015, 6,700 in 2016, and an estimate (the number is newly classified) of “about 10,000” in 2017. Well, some might ask, what about American airpower—can’t that help stem the Taliban tide? Hardly. In 2018, as security deteriorated and the Taliban made substantial gains, the U.S. actually dropped more bombs than in any other year of the war. It appears that nothing stands in the way of impending military defeat.

Then there are the very recent events on the ground—and these are telling. Insider attacks in which Afghan “allies” turn their guns on American advisors are back on the rise, most recently in an attack that wounded a U.S. Army general and threatened the top U.S. commander in the country. And while troop numbers are way down from the high in 2011, American troops deaths are rising. Over the Thanksgiving season alone, a U.S. Army Ranger was killed in a friendly fire incident and three other troopers died in a roadside bomb attack. And in what was perhaps only a (still disturbing) case of misunderstood optics, the top U.S. commander, General Miller, was filmed carrying his own M4 rifle around Afghanistan. That’s a long way from the days when then-General Petraeus (well protected by soldiers, of course) walked around the markets of Baghdad in a soft cap and without body armor.

More importantly, the Afghan army and police are getting hammered in larger and larger attacks and taking unsustainable casualties. Some 26 Afghan security forces were killed on Thanksgiving, 22 policemen died in an attack on Sunday, and on Tuesday 30 civilians were killed in Helmand province. And these were only the high-profile attacks, dwarfed by the countless other countrywide incidents. All this proves that no matter how hard the U.S. military worked, or how many years it committed to building an Afghan army in its own image, and no matter how much air and logistical support that army received, the Afghan Security Forces cannot win. The sooner Washington accepts this truth over the more comforting lie, the fewer of our adulated American soldiers will have to die. Who is honestly ready to be the last to die for a mistake, or at least a hopeless cause?

continued...https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/america-is-headed-for-military-defeat-in-afghanistan/

Swordsmyth
11-30-2018, 09:35 PM
We weren't defeated in Vietnam, perhaps if we admit or are forced to admit to a defeat in Afghanistan it will prompt a much needed attitude adjustment in our foreign policy culture.

Anti Globalist
11-30-2018, 09:41 PM
We've had military defeat there for years.

Zippyjuan
11-30-2018, 09:50 PM
Neither side is "winning".

Swordsmyth
11-30-2018, 10:06 PM
Neither side is "winning".
LOL

enhanced_deficit
11-30-2018, 10:18 PM
While back had read an article suggesting that military presence in Afghanistan was also needed to surround Iran militarily/keep pressure on among other things. Trump's non-globalist, America Firster top funder Adeolson seems to have pushed for Iran escalation again apparently.
Current , recent Afghan war policy makes no sense logically but neocons political slave masters' war policies have rarely made much logical sense.


U.S. vs. Iran: Military Action ‘On the Table,’ Trump Administration Says After Senate Vote Threatens Saudi Arabia Support
By Tom O'Connor On 11/29/18
The United States has warned that conducting military action against Iran is a viable option in dealing with the revolutionary Shiite Muslim power, just one day after senators voted in favor of a measure that would withdraw support for Saudi Arabia.
https://www.newsweek.com/us-military...upport-1237100 (https://www.newsweek.com/us-military-action-iran-table-saudi-support-1237100)





Related


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/21/23/4373253500000578-4809998-image-a-2_1503354878632.jpg (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4809998/Trump-likely-announce-modest-troop-increase-Afghanistan.html)

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/aZYchGNmVVXxsIwMAdBhAreMCQ8=/26x0:595x298/fit-in/1200x630/cdn3.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9087225/Screen_Shot_2017_08_21_at_11.14.21_AM.png


U.S. soldier in Afghanistan is killed in insider attack - The Washington ...
washingtonpost.
Nov 3, 2018 - The assailant, a member of the Afghan security forces, opened fire at a base in Kabul, officials said.

Member of U.S.-led coalition killed in Afghanistan in apparent insider ...
washingtonpost
Oct 22, 2018 - Two others were reported wounded in the attack by a member of the Afghan security forces.

Top American General In Afghanistan Survives Insider Attack That ...
Oct 18, 2018

Utah Mayor Brent Taylor killed in Afghan 'insider attack' - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46100714
Nov 5, 2018 - A US mayor has been killed in an apparent insider attack while serving with the military in Afghanistan. Brent Taylor, 39, died in Kabul on ...

AZJoe
12-01-2018, 07:24 PM
So should the Afghanistan occupation be called "Operation Perpetual Defeat" or "Operation spend and Lose"?

acptulsa
12-01-2018, 07:28 PM
Neither side is "winning".

The Graveyard of Empires never wins. But it always outlasts.

They need only endure. And they certainly know this by now.

The Bush chutzpah is astounding. If we don't abandon their insane agenda, it will bury this empire.

AZJoe
12-01-2018, 07:34 PM
Highlights from Maj. Sjursen:

the U.S. military has advised, assisted, battled, and bombed in Afghanistan for 17-plus years. … Now, in the 18th year of this conflict, the Kabul-Washington coalition’s military is outright losing. …

The Taliban controls or contests more districts (https://www.sigar.mil/pdf/quarterlyreports/2018-07-30qr.pdf)—some 44 percent—than at any time since the 2001 invasion. Total combatant and civilian casualties are forecasted (http://ucdp.uu.se/%2523country/700) to top 20,000 this year—another dreadful broken record. … Afghan military casualties are frankly unsustainable: …

what about American airpower—can’t that help stem the Taliban tide? Hardly. In 2018, as security deteriorated and the Taliban made substantial gains, the U.S. actually dropped (https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/11/13/the-u-s-never-dropped-as-many-bombs-on-afghanistan-as-it-did-in-2018-infographic/#38aceaa72fae) more bombs than in any other year of the war. …

Then there are the very recent events on the ground … Insider attacks in which Afghan “allies” turn their guns on American advisors are back on the rise, most recently in an attack (https://taskandpurpose.com/insider-attack-afghanistan-kandahar/) that wounded a U.S. Army general and threatened the top U.S. commander in the country… American troops deaths are rising. Over the Thanksgiving season alone, a U.S. Army Ranger was killed (https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2018/11/27/army-ranger-killed-in-afghanistan-likely-was-accidentally-shot-by-afghan-soldier/) in a friendly fire incident and three other troopers died (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/roadside-bomb-kills-three-us-troops-near-afghan-city-of-ghazni/2018/11/27/c4211804-f23f-11e8-80d0-f7e1948d55f4_story.html?utm_term=.cefef5296dee) in a roadside bomb attack. …

the Afghan army and police are getting hammered in larger and larger attacks and taking unsustainable casualties … no matter how hard the U.S. military worked, or how many years it committed to building an Afghan army in its own image, and no matter how much air and logistical support that army received, the Afghan Security Forces cannot win. …

Still, sober strategy and basic honesty demands a true assessment of the military situation in America’s longest war. The Pentagon loves metrics, data, and stats. Well, as demonstrated daily on the ground in Afghanistan, all the security (read: military) metrics point towards impending defeat. …

The United States military did all it was asked during more than 17 years of warfare in Afghanistan. It raided, it bombed, it built, it surged, it advised, it…everything. Still, none of that was sufficient. Enough Afghans either support the Taliban or hate the occupation …

There’s no shame in defeat. But there is shame, and perfidy, in avoiding or covering up the truth. … again.

kpitcher
12-01-2018, 07:35 PM
meanwhile the poppy production is doing amazing


In 2017, opium cultivation in Afghanistan reached a record high with an estimated 328,000 hectares, up 63 per cent compared with 201,000 hectares in 2016. ... From the 2017 opium harvest, some 550-900 tons of heroin of export quality (purity between 50 and 70 per cent) can be produced.

Pauls' Revere
12-01-2018, 07:37 PM
[QUOTE=enhanced_deficit;6714963]While back had read an article suggesting that military presence in Afghanistan was also needed to surround Iran militarily/keep pressure on among other things. Trump's non-globalist, America Firster top funder Adeolson seems to have pushed for Iran escalation again apparently.
Current , recent Afghan war policy makes no sense logically but neocons political slave masters' war policies have rarely made much logical sense.

It makes perfect sense. I agree with this model as to why we are there. It borders Iran, We also are close to Russia's Southern Border, Also, close to Pakistan where we can watch how India and pakistan behave with their nukes. Close to China and their interest in karachi and Pakistan.

I think all were trying to do is maintain the minimum presence while still trying to meet intelligence and foreign policy objectives. Were not there to win, were there to monitor and exert a presence and influence.

timosman
12-01-2018, 07:40 PM
So should the Afghanistan occupation be called "Operation Perpetual Defeat" or "Operation spend and Lose"?

I would settle for Operation Clusterfuck.

acptulsa
12-01-2018, 07:42 PM
It makes perfect sense. I agree with this model as to why we are there. It borders Iran, We also are close to Russia's Southern Border, Also, close to Pakistan where we can watch how India and pakistan behave with their nukes. Close to China and their interest in karachi and Pakistan.

I think all were trying to do is maintain the minimum presence while still trying to meet intelligence and foreign policy objectives. Were not there to win, were there to monitor and exert a presence and influence.

And when we run out of Afghanis foolish enough to be our allies...?

specsaregood
12-01-2018, 07:55 PM
meanwhile the poppy production is doing amazing

"He who controls the Spice, controls the universe!"