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DamianTV
11-30-2018, 03:45 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/nov/29/why-we-stopped-trusting-elites-the-new-populism


For hundreds of years, modern societies have depended on something that is so ubiquitous, so ordinary, that we scarcely ever stop to notice it: trust. The fact that millions of people are able to believe the same things about reality is a remarkable achievement, but one that is more fragile than is often recognised.

At times when public institutions – including the media, government departments and professions – command widespread trust, we rarely question how they achieve this. And yet at the heart of successful liberal democracies lies a remarkable collective leap of faith: that when public officials, reporters, experts and politicians share a piece of information, they are presumed to be doing so in an honest fashion.

The notion that public figures and professionals are basically trustworthy has been integral to the health of representative democracies. After all, the very core of liberal democracy is the idea that a small group of people – politicians – can represent millions of others. If this system is to work, there must be a basic modicum of trust that the small group will act on behalf of the much larger one, at least some of the time. As the past decade has made clear, nothing turns voters against liberalism more rapidly than the appearance of corruption: the suspicion, valid or otherwise, that politicians are exploiting their power for their own private interest.

This isn’t just about politics. In fact, much of what we believe to be true about the world is actually taken on trust, via newspapers, experts, officials and broadcasters. While each of us sometimes witnesses events with our own eyes, there are plenty of apparently reasonable truths that we all accept without seeing. In order to believe that the economy has grown by 1%, or to find out about latest medical advances, we take various things on trust; we don’t automatically doubt the moral character of the researchers or reporters involved.

Much of the time, the edifice that we refer to as “truth” is really an investment of trust. Consider how we come to know the facts about climate change: scientists carefully collect and analyse data, before drafting a paper for anonymous review by other scientists, who assume that the data is authentic. If published, the findings are shared with journalists in press releases, drafted by university press offices. We expect that these findings are then reported honestly and without distortion by broadcasters and newspapers. Civil servants draft ministerial speeches that respond to these facts, including details on what the government has achieved to date.

A modern liberal society is a complex web of trust relations, held together by reports, accounts, records and testimonies. Such systems have always faced political risks and threats. The template of modern expertise can be traced back to the second half of the 17th century, when scientists and merchants first established techniques for recording and sharing facts and figures. These were soon adopted by governments, for purposes of tax collection and rudimentary public finance. But from the start, strict codes of conduct had to be established to ensure that officials and experts were not seeking personal gain or glory (for instance through exaggerating their scientific discoveries), and were bound by strict norms of honesty.

But regardless of how honest parties may be in their dealings with one another, the cultural homogeneity and social intimacy of these gentlemanly networks and clubs has always been grounds for suspicion. Right back to the mid-17th century, the bodies tasked with handling public knowledge have always privileged white male graduates, living in global cities and university towns. This does not discredit the knowledge they produce – but where things get trickier is when that homogeneity starts to appear to be a political identity, with a shared set of political goals. This is what is implied by the concept of “elites”: that purportedly separate domains of power – media, business, politics, law, academia – are acting in unison.

A further threat comes from individuals taking advantage of their authority for personal gain. Systems that rely on trust are always open to abuse by those seeking to exploit them.

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Full article at link.

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This immediately makes me think of Privacy, as usual. Why? Privacy is a cornerstone of Trust. How can you Trust a society that does NOT Trust you?

enhanced_deficit
11-30-2018, 04:00 PM
I don't want to defend elites but OTOH masses' cynicism and lack of trust in elites has also reached extremely dangerous levels.
During early years of Bush, there used to be lot of "Trust the President" but that positive attitude has vanished lately and elites/leaders are being treated quite roughly looking at polling data, mainstream memes and cartoons.

Poll: Just 13 percent of Americans consider Trump honest and trustworthy

By Julia Manchester - 05/17/18 08:47 AM EDT
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/388107-poll-just-13-percent-of-americans-consider-trump-honest-and


https://www.latimes.com/resizer/Kg_SiYaQSjpkGKS-AlY7eB1eZg8=/1400x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/23K2SVTIMZDOVBH7DE73UV3OZQ.jpg

acptulsa
11-30-2018, 04:10 PM
During early years of Bush, there used to be lot of "Trust the President" but that positive attitude has vanished lately...

Gee, I wonder how that could have happened at that exact moment...

Kilrain
11-30-2018, 04:24 PM
Information has become more widely accessible over time, digital revolution and all that. Lies and corruption have been hallmarks of "elites" since forever, it's just become harder for them to control the information provided to people. If your only source of information is the state, of course you're going to believe the state.

I acknowledge the need for some kind of governing body, call it a necessary evil, but what increased access to information has made clear to many is that only a fraction of what the governing body does is actually necessary - and that most of the resources it takes from people, as well as most of what it does, is simply meant to benefit the governing body itself.

enhanced_deficit
11-30-2018, 04:24 PM
Gee, I wonder how that could have happened at that exact moment...

To be fair, at the time Bush trusted Cheney who told him that Iraqi Freedom War would cost only $50B and we'll be greeted as liberators. He didn't mention it could lead to election of Barack Hussein Obama.

acptulsa
11-30-2018, 04:26 PM
To be fair, at the time Bush trusted Cheney who told him that Iraqi Freedom War would cost only $50B and we'll be greeted as liberators. He didn't mention it could lead to election of Barack Hussein Obama.

To be fair, you don't know what that son of a CIA chief knew and when he knew it.

enhanced_deficit
11-30-2018, 04:33 PM
Well, frankly speaking to be honest, I was just regurgitating the retail public consumption version of events. Did not know was dealing with a trounlemaker critical thinker. You sound like kinda person who would put price tag on freedom instead of trusting our national leaders.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2ypVSYoEKA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2ypVSYoEKA

Swordsmyth
11-30-2018, 06:59 PM
If this system is to work, there must be a basic modicum of trust that the small group will act on behalf of the much larger one, at least some of the time.

That is the key sentence in the whole article, trust in the ruling class has plummeted because they changed from taking the lion's share to taking everything and letting the rest of us fight over the crumbs and table scraps.

Man is not perfect and perfect government/class relations rarely exist and never last but people will put up with less than perfect leadership in government or the economy if their needs and wants are addressed even as an afterthought but when their rulers completely neglect them or actively harm them the relationship is permanently damaged unless a new crop of leaders spend time rebuilding it by working for the people distinctly more than usual.

Zippyjuan
11-30-2018, 08:22 PM
To be fair, at the time Bush trusted Cheney who told him that Iraqi Freedom War would cost only $50B and we'll be greeted as liberators. He didn't mention it could lead to election of Barack Hussein Obama.

"It will be over in weeks if not months and all our allies will pay for it- just like in the Gulf War- except this time we go all the way to Baghdad! My Dad quit too soon."

Zippyjuan
11-30-2018, 08:27 PM
That is the key sentence in the whole article, trust in the ruling class has plummeted because they changed from taking the lion's share to taking everything and letting the rest of us fight over the crumbs and table scraps.

Man is not perfect and perfect government/class relations rarely exist and never last but people will put up with less than perfect leadership in government or the economy if their needs and wants are addressed even as an after thought but when their rulers completely neglect them or actively harm them the relationship is permanently damaged unless a new crop of leaders spend time rebuilding it by working for the people distinctly more than usual.

Maybe we should reclaim some of that wealth. Perhaps higher taxes on them? How would you deal with a growing wealth gap?

acptulsa
11-30-2018, 08:27 PM
"... all our allies will pay for it..."

Especially Mexico, right?

Republican primary voters fall for the same crap over and over. They clearly wake up in a new world every two years.

Swordsmyth
11-30-2018, 08:37 PM
Maybe we should reclaim some of that wealth. Perhaps higher taxes on them? How would you deal with a growing wealth gap?
Right now the best way to deal with it is to cut government and let the marketplace restore balance unless you can identify specific crimes that can be prosecuted and the stolen goods seized.

Only as a last resort in a world where nearly all wealth and assets have been stolen should the precedent of redistribution be allowed.

Zippyjuan
11-30-2018, 08:41 PM
Especially Mexico, right?

Republican primary voters fall for the same crap over and over. They clearly wake up in a new world every two years.

Not Mexico. The Gulf countries including Kuwait and Saudi Arabia reimbursed the US for costs of the first Gulf war. Bush Jr. thought he could get the same deal. First war was fast- he assumed his war would be fast too. Boy, was he wrong.