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Matt Collins
11-28-2018, 09:53 PM
The Trump administration plans to announce the long-anticipated federal rule officially banning bump stocks in the coming days, according to US officials familiar with the matter.


President Donald Trump vowed to outlaw the devices soon after the tragedy, and some lawmakers on Capitol Hill urged him to back a permanent legislative fix.


At Trump's direction, however, the Justice Department submitted a proposed final rule earlier this year that upended the Obama-era interpretation, and concluded that bump-fire stocks, "slide-fire" devices, and devices with certain similar characteristics all fall within the prohibition on machine guns by allowing a "shooter of a semiautomatic firearm to initiate a continuous firing cycle with a single pull of the trigger," and therefore, they are illegal under federal law.


Under the new rule, bump stock owners would be required to destroy or surrender the devices to authorities. Members of the public will be given 90 days to turn in or otherwise discard their bump stocks, according to a source familiar with the final rule.


"Bump stocks turn semiautomatic guns into illegal machine guns. This final rule sends a clear message: Illegal guns have no place in a law-and-order society, and we will continue to vigorously enforce the law to keep these illegal weapons off the street," a senior Justice Department official told CNN Wednesday.











SOURCE:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/28/politics/final-bump-stock-ban/index.html

Swordsmyth
11-28-2018, 09:58 PM
It will never survive a court challenge.

enhanced_deficit
11-28-2018, 10:11 PM
It will never survive a court challenge.

Courts are very political and shift views depending on political climate.


Bit off topic, will MAGA's stance on DACA survive court challenge?


Related

Federal court rules state firearm laws invalid (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?527483-Federal-court-rules-state-firearm-laws-invalid&)https://i.redd.it/5gzk1ak057j01.jpg



'Gun-grabber-in-chief': Conservatives turn on Trump as threat to confiscate guns prompts Second Amendment-related outrage

'He's a fraud and has betrayed us twice now' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?519979-Conservative-leader-on-Trump-He-s-a-fraud-and-has-betrayed-us-twice-now&p=6597523&viewfull=1#post6597523)

Swordsmyth
11-28-2018, 10:15 PM
Bit off topic, will MAGA's stance on DACA survive court challenge?
Trump's order to end DACA will be upheld even if it has to go to SCOTUS.

TheTexan
11-28-2018, 10:22 PM
It will never survive a court challenge.

Why would this need to go court? It has nothing to do with hunting or target shooting, so it's not like it's a 2nd amendment issue.

enhanced_deficit
11-28-2018, 10:25 PM
Trump's order to end DACA will be upheld even if it has to go to SCOTUS.

Do you agree or disagree with these conservatives views on this? Or in un-decided/"don't know" or he's better than Hillary column?

'Gun-grabber-in-chief': Conservatives turn on Trump as threat to confiscate guns prompts Second Amendment-related outrage
'He's a fraud and has betrayed us twice now' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?519979-Conservative-leader-on-Trump-He-s-a-fraud-and-has-betrayed-us-twice-now&p=6597523&viewfull=1#post6597523)

Swordsmyth
11-28-2018, 10:30 PM
Do you agree or disagree with these conservatives views on this? Or in un-decided/"don't know" or he's better than Hillary column?

'Gun-grabber-in-chief': Conservatives turn on Trump as threat to confiscate guns prompts Second Amendment-related outrage
'He's a fraud and has betrayed us twice now' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?519979-Conservative-leader-on-Trump-He-s-a-fraud-and-has-betrayed-us-twice-now&p=6597523&viewfull=1#post6597523)
I believe he was conducting damage control, I however completely disagree with his tactics, I think they were unnecessary and did more harm than good.

RonZeplin
11-28-2018, 10:42 PM
Courts are very political and shift views depending on political climate.


Bit off topic, will MAGA's stance on DACA survive court challenge?



The courts can't force the chief executive to do his job, enforce immigration law, and deport illegal aliens, DACA or otherwise. Sanctuary Nation USA will continue, unless congress impeaches and removes the scofflaw Republican & Democrat presidents.

Congress will pass Jeb! Trump's Bill of Love amnesty soon, spurring a new wave of illegal invaders to do the jobs that the newly minted "Americans" won't. It's a remake of Reconquista Ronnie Reagan's 1984 amnesty. Seen that movie, doesn't turn out well for the gringos.

http://cashmccall.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Act-A-Love-Bros-1.jpg

Swordsmyth
11-28-2018, 10:48 PM
The courts can't force the chief executive to do his job, enforce immigration law, and deport illegal aliens, DACA or otherwise. Sanctuary Nation USA will continue, unless congress impeaches and removes the scofflaw Republican & Democrat presidents.

Congress will pass Jeb! Trump's Bill of Love amnesty soon, spurring a new wave of illegal invaders to do the jobs that the newly minted "Americans" won't. It's a remake of Reconquista Ronnie Reagan's 1984 amnesty. Seen that movie, doesn't turn out well for the gringos.

http://cashmccall.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Act-A-Love-Bros-1.jpg
Trump is the strongest POTUS on the border that we have had in a long time and he is getting stronger, he can't just defy the courts or he will be impeached.

Origanalist
11-29-2018, 06:40 AM
The courts can't force the chief executive to do his job, enforce immigration law, and deport illegal aliens, DACA or otherwise. Sanctuary Nation USA will continue, unless congress impeaches and removes the scofflaw Republican & Democrat presidents.

Congress will pass Jeb! Trump's Bill of Love amnesty soon, spurring a new wave of illegal invaders to do the jobs that the newly minted "Americans" won't. It's a remake of Reconquista Ronnie Reagan's 1984 amnesty. Seen that movie, doesn't turn out well for the gringos.

http://cashmccall.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Act-A-Love-Bros-1.jpg

Aye, I've seen it too. And the remakes.

Origanalist
11-29-2018, 06:43 AM
I believe he was conducting damage control, I however completely disagree with his tactics, I think they were unnecessary and did more harm than good.

You sure believe a lot of stuff with evidence to the contrary. Damage control? Really?

Matt Collins
11-29-2018, 09:08 AM
It will never survive a court challenge.
The courts just make stuff up.

You do remember there was an actual assault weapons ban in the 90's right?

Matt Collins
11-29-2018, 09:09 AM
Why would this need to go court? It has nothing to do with hunting or target shooting, so it's not like it's a 2nd amendment issue.
I really hope this is sarcasm.

Anti Federalist
11-29-2018, 10:54 AM
CNN reports that Trump is now preparing to sign the ban and it will outlaw the firearm accessories without a grandfathering option. CNN quotes a source that indicates “members of the public will be given 90 days to turn in or otherwise discard their bump stocks.” (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/29/report-president-trump-signing-bump-stock-ban-citizens-have-90-days-to-turn-them-in/)

That's interesting.

A ban on a previously legal item, that now must be surrendered or destroyed without compensation.

If this turns out to be true, even my mild endorsements of this guy are done with.

Swordsmyth
11-29-2018, 02:20 PM
The courts just make stuff up.

You do remember there was an actual assault weapons ban in the 90's right?

A law, not a regulation that the BATFE already said it didn't have the authority to make.

Swordsmyth
11-29-2018, 02:22 PM
CNN reports that Trump is now preparing to sign the ban and it will outlaw the firearm accessories without a grandfathering option. CNN quotes a source that indicates “members of the public will be given 90 days to turn in or otherwise discard their bump stocks.” (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/29/report-president-trump-signing-bump-stock-ban-citizens-have-90-days-to-turn-them-in/)

That's interesting.

A ban on a previously legal item, that now must be surrendered or destroyed without compensation.

If this turns out to be true, even my mild endorsements of this guy are done with.
I'm absolutely against it but if that is true the extremity will ensure that it doesn't survive a court challenge.

dannno
11-29-2018, 03:04 PM
You sure believe a lot of stuff with evidence to the contrary. Damage control? Really?

You need evidence that damage control was necessary after the Florida school shooting and the Vegas massacre??

Wow.

PAF
11-29-2018, 03:23 PM
CNN reports that Trump is now preparing to sign the ban and it will outlaw the firearm accessories without a grandfathering option. CNN quotes a source that indicates “members of the public will be given 90 days to turn in or otherwise discard their bump stocks.” (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/29/report-president-trump-signing-bump-stock-ban-citizens-have-90-days-to-turn-them-in/)

That's interesting.

A ban on a previously legal item, that now must be surrendered or destroyed without compensation.

If this turns out to be true, even my mild endorsements of this guy are done with.

AF, though you’d be done with him, I’m not seeing the need for bold... it implies that “with compensation” it wouldn’t be so bad...

CCTelander
11-29-2018, 03:35 PM
CNN reports that Trump is now preparing to sign the ban and it will outlaw the firearm accessories without a grandfathering option. CNN quotes a source that indicates “members of the public will be given 90 days to turn in or otherwise discard their bump stocks.” (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/29/report-president-trump-signing-bump-stock-ban-citizens-have-90-days-to-turn-them-in/)

That's interesting.

A ban on a previously legal item, that now must be surrendered or destroyed without compensation.

If this turns out to be true, even my mild endorsements of this guy are done with.


Trump proposed this in the beginning. He supported it all along. He instructed his AG to get it done. Now it's coming to fruition. There is absolutely no rational reason to doubt its veracity. He's been absolutely consistent on this right from the start. To trust Trump to protect one's 2nd Amendment rights is to be dangerously naive.

Origanalist
11-29-2018, 08:12 PM
You need evidence that damage control was necessary after the Florida school shooting and the Vegas massacre??

Wow.

Wow, do you seriously expect me to believe that bullshit? What the hell afe you smoking these days, Trumpcrack?

dannno
11-29-2018, 08:29 PM
Wow, do you seriously expect me to believe that bullshit? What the hell afe you smoking these days, Trumpcrack?

I didn't say it's true, I believe it probably is, I just said there is plenty of evidence that damage control was needed after the shootings.

TheTexan
11-29-2018, 08:37 PM
CNN reports that Trump is now preparing to sign the ban and it will outlaw the firearm accessories without a grandfathering option. CNN quotes a source that indicates “members of the public will be given 90 days to turn in or otherwise discard their bump stocks.” (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/29/report-president-trump-signing-bump-stock-ban-citizens-have-90-days-to-turn-them-in/)

That's interesting.

A ban on a previously legal item, that now must be surrendered or destroyed without compensation.

If this turns out to be true, even my mild endorsements of this guy are done with.

Would it be much better if they paid you for it?

Or would you rather that newly manufactured bump stocks be illegal, and existing bump stocks be taxed, stamped, registered, and tracked?

I'm sure either choice can be negotiated, if you call your congressmen hard enough.

TheTexan
11-29-2018, 08:40 PM
I'm absolutely against it but if that is true the extremity will ensure that it doesn't survive a court challenge.

Banning bump stocks is "extreme" and won't survive a court challenge

https://media.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx1eM/giphy.gif

Swordsmyth
11-29-2018, 08:52 PM
Banning bump stocks is "extreme" and won't survive a court challenge

https://media.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx1eM/giphy.gif
Doing it without grandfathering or compensation is extreme and won't survive a court challenge.

TheTexan
11-29-2018, 09:04 PM
Doing it without grandfathering or compensation is extreme and won't survive a court challenge.

I have every confidence that bump stocks will be grandfathered in, provided that they were manufactured prior to 1968's Title II revision to the NFA, and that the owner of said bump stock had registered the device and paid the appropriate taxes.

Then they can keep it no problem.

Slave Mentality
11-30-2018, 05:06 AM
Government 100% created the bump stock market. Now they want to protect the MAGA by banning them and instantly creating criminals that can be caged. Seems reasonable to me and my future Citizen Score!

I will say that I am beginning to sense a pattern though.

Origanalist
11-30-2018, 06:50 AM
https://cdn.minds.com/fs/v1/thumbnail/915219546119143424

Origanalist
11-30-2018, 06:56 AM
https://cdn.minds.com/fs/v1/thumbnail/915186697399762944

Intoxiklown
11-30-2018, 01:00 PM
I've been waiting for this ever since I read the proposed regulations:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?520920-So-I-read-the-quot-proposed-federal-rules-for-banning-bump-stocks-quot-POS

And as far as the "it will never stand in court" excuse? Exactly wtf does that have to do with the fact that Trump showed his progressive anti-gun side that anyone who is half ass objective knew was there?

CCTelander
11-30-2018, 01:18 PM
I've been waiting for this ever since I read the proposed regulations:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?520920-So-I-read-the-quot-proposed-federal-rules-for-banning-bump-stocks-quot-POS

And as far as the "it will never stand in court" excuse? Exactly wtf does that have to do with the fact that Trump showed his progressive anti-gun side that anyone who is half ass objective knew was there?


It has nothing at all to do with it. But it does serve as a handy red herring to divert attention away from it.

RonZeplin
11-30-2018, 04:33 PM
Hogg Bro pep rally


http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/wlrn/files/styles/medium/public/201802/trump_and_stoneman_high_students.jpeg

President Donald Trump meets with students, parents and teachers affected by mass shootings in Parkland, Fla., Newtown, Conn., and Columbine, Colo., at the White House

pcosmar
11-30-2018, 04:42 PM
I'm absolutely against it but if that is true the extremity will ensure that it doesn't survive a court challenge.

The National Firearm act of 1934 did not survive a challenge,, when one was finally heard.

Gun Control Act of 1968 immediately replaced it.

It created the Prohibited Persons class,, "right-less people".

Anti Federalist
11-30-2018, 04:49 PM
AF, though you’d be done with him, I’m not seeing the need for bold... it implies that “with compensation” it wouldn’t be so bad...

No, not at all, with or without is bad.

The "bolding" is just to highlight the fact that multiple sections of the Bill or Rights are being violated.

Swordsmyth
11-30-2018, 05:23 PM
I've been waiting for this ever since I read the proposed regulations:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?520920-So-I-read-the-quot-proposed-federal-rules-for-banning-bump-stocks-quot-POS

And as far as the "it will never stand in court" excuse? Exactly wtf does that have to do with the fact that Trump showed his progressive anti-gun side that anyone who is half ass objective knew was there?
It's not an excuse, I 100% disagree with Trump about this, even if it doesn't survive a court challenge he is feeding the gun control movement and underming the gun rights movement without any possibility of actually getting any benefit in return, I have made that clear many times.

I am just predicting that it won't survive a court challenge.

Origanalist
12-02-2018, 07:35 AM
https://cdn.minds.com/fs/v1/thumbnail/915871105733419008

EBounding
12-02-2018, 08:47 AM
He should just attach a tariff to it somehow--then everyone will love it.

donnay
12-02-2018, 10:51 AM
"Anonymous U.S. officials told CNN." :rolleyes:

Swordsmyth
12-02-2018, 06:32 PM
"Anonymous U.S. officials told CNN." :rolleyes:
"Anything anyone says about Trump that is bad MUST be true.":rolleyes:

Trump is far from perfect but you would think that people could wait until the regulation actually came out considering how often the media lies about him.

Matt Collins
12-02-2018, 06:49 PM
This has been in the works for months. Everyone knew it would be out very soon. This is not a CNN hit piece.

donnay
12-02-2018, 06:50 PM
"Anything anyone says about Trump that is bad MUST be true.":rolleyes:

Trump is far from perfect but you would think that people could wait until the regulation actually came out considering how often the media lies about him.

Especially CNN for God sakes.

Swordsmyth
12-02-2018, 07:00 PM
This has been in the works for months. Everyone knew it would be out very soon. This is not a CNN hit piece.
The details are important and anonymous sources can't be trusted.

donnay
12-02-2018, 07:01 PM
This has been in the works for months. Everyone knew it would be out very soon. This is not a CNN hit piece.

CNN also said the caravan was just a couple hundred of people seeking asylum too.

And Jim Acosta said he never touched the intern...pffffft.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7nx9FnN7OU

Matt Collins
12-03-2018, 07:10 PM
The details are important and anonymous sources can't be trusted.
I don't disagree. But the most important fact is that Trump is supporting gun control.

Superfluous Man
12-03-2018, 08:15 PM
It will never survive a court challenge.

If so, that will give Trump just the incentive he needs to shift his approach to judicial nominations accordingly.

Swordsmyth
12-03-2018, 08:19 PM
If so, that will give Trump just the incentive he needs to shift his approach to judicial nominations accordingly.
:rolleyes:

William Tell
12-18-2018, 11:13 AM
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration moved Tuesday to officially ban bump stocks, which allow semi-automatic weapons to fire rapidly like automatic firearms, and has made them illegal to possess beginning in late March.

The devices will be banned under a federal law that prohibits machine guns, according to a senior Justice Department official.

Bump stocks became a focal point of the national gun control debate after they were used in October 2017 when a man opened fired from his Las Vegas hotel suite into a crowd at a country music concert below, killing 58 people and injuring hundreds more in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.



The regulation, which was signed by Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker on Tuesday morning, will go into effect 90 days after it is formally published in the Federal Register, which is expected to happen on Friday, the Justice Department official said.

The official wasn’t authorized to discuss the matter publicly ahead of the regulation’s formal publication and spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity.

In March, President Donald Trump said his administration would “ban” the devices, which he said “turn legal weapons into illegal machines.”

https://apnews.com/6c1af80fb290472c89fb930e223505af

Anti Federalist
12-18-2018, 11:25 AM
https://apnews.com/6c1af80fb290472c89fb930e223505af

Should have made the terms of my wager longer.

Can't wait to see what he'll sign when the New Bolsheviks take over next year.

I'm figuring the "low hanging fruit" first:

1 - Magazine capacity limits and bans.

2 - Bans on private sales without a government background check.

3 - Background checks for ammo.

4 - Punitive taxes.

kcchiefs6465
12-18-2018, 08:04 PM
This is just a bone to give the antigun crowd so they don't take away more rights. /fullretard

JohnGalt1225
12-18-2018, 08:19 PM
I'm starting to regret supporting Trump. No Wall, no immigration reform, and now bump stock bans.

kcchiefs6465
12-18-2018, 08:20 PM
It's a good thing he gave us all those Conservative Judges to overturn the unconstitutional laws he really doesn't want passed but has to pass for political capital.

Checks and balances! /fullretardwitha5thgradeunderstandingoftheworld

kcchiefs6465
12-18-2018, 08:21 PM
And last but not least:

This isn't even that big of a deal. Bump stocks are kind of gay anyways. /missingthefuckingpoint

Origanalist
12-18-2018, 08:23 PM
This is just a bone to give the antigun crowd so they don't take away more rights. /fullretard

You just don't understand. It was drafted poorly so it won't withstand a court challenge, thus depriving the librals from taking our rights.

Swordsmyth
12-18-2018, 08:34 PM
I'm starting to regret supporting Trump. No Wall, no immigration reform, and now bump stock bans.

He hasn't had much support in Congress but he needs to start exerting himself more, if he is going to use military funds to build the wall then it needs to happen now and the same thing goes for anything else he can do on his own like declassifying the FISA documents etc.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WbRyU8uuNk


He has 2 years left to show me.

enhanced_deficit
12-18-2018, 08:37 PM
He hasn't had much support in Congress but he needs to start exerting himself more, ...

You're giving advice to the auther of the "Art of the Deal" on how to negotiate and close deals successfully?
Seriously?

Swordsmyth
12-18-2018, 08:40 PM
You're giving advice to the auther of the "Art of the Deal" on how to negotiate and close deals successfully?
Seriously?
I'm negotiating with him about what he needs to do if he wants my vote in 2 years.

Origanalist
12-18-2018, 08:54 PM
He hasn't had much support in Congress but he needs to start exerting himself more, if he is going to use military funds to build the wall then it needs to happen now and the same thing goes for anything else he can do on his own like declassifying the FISA documents etc.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WbRyU8uuNk


He has 2 years left to show me.

He's the fucking president. He has the bully pulpit, now he's lost congress to the other party thus losing whatever chance he had. But y'all will continue to manufacture fiction on his behalf. This shit is beyond stupidity. He had a window, it's gone. Why didn't he get his dumb ass off twitter and address the American people at large? Do I need to tell you or can you figure it out for yourself?

CCTelander
12-18-2018, 08:55 PM
He's the fucking president. He has the bully pulpit, now he's lost congress to the other party thus losing whatever chance he had. But y'all will continue to manufacture fiction on his behalf. This shit is beyond stupidity. He had a window, it's gone. Why didn't he get his dumb ass off twitter and address the American people at large? Do I need to tell you or can you figure it out for yourself?


Shills gonna shill.

enhanced_deficit
12-18-2018, 08:56 PM
In the end, MAGA might deliver great bipartisan deals on isssues like gun control, universal health care because he has many friends who are Democrats.

Trump: ‘We’re Going to Get Really Good Healthcare’ Because ‘I Have a Lot of Friends Who Are Democrats’ (https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/trump-were-going-get-really-good-healthcare-because-i-have-lot-friends-who-are)
By Craig Bannister | December 17, 2018


Trump: Pelosi loves America

Swordsmyth
12-18-2018, 09:03 PM
He's the $#@!ing president. He has the bully pulpit, now he's lost congress to the other party thus losing whatever chance he had. But y'all will continue to manufacture fiction on his behalf. This $#@! is beyond stupidity. He had a window, it's gone. Why didn't he get his dumb ass off twitter and address the American people at large? Do I need to tell you or can you figure it out for yourself?
He never had Congress, the RINOs wouldn't pass or even vote on most of his agenda and they wouldn't kill the 60 vote requirement in the Senate.

McCain killing the O'Bummercare repeal is the biggest example.

Origanalist
12-18-2018, 09:10 PM
He never had Congress, the RINOs wouldn't pass or even vote on most of his agenda and they wouldn't kill the 60 vote requirement in the Senate.

McCain killing the O'Bummercare repeal is the biggest example.

I don't dispute any of that, in fact that just makes my point. Why did he never go beyond retarded tweets and address the American people? Are you saying he couldn't have done so? Or are you saying he did just that? If you are he wasn't very effective.

Swordsmyth
12-18-2018, 09:15 PM
I don't dispute any of that, in fact that just makes my point. Why did he never go beyond retarded tweets and address the American people? Are you saying he couldn't have done so? Or are you saying he did just that? If you are he wasn't very effective.
I am giving him just a little bit of credit for thinking he could work with Congress and for giving his enemies enough rope to hang themselves but I don't think he should have taken so long and he needs to start acting NOW, he has only two years left to convince me to vote for him even though I didn't last time.
That is the whole point of my post that you replied to.

I still say he has been better than any other president in a long time but if he doesn't start acting where he can act by himself it won't be good enough.

dannno
12-18-2018, 09:28 PM
He's the fucking president. He has the bully pulpit

Not really.. everything he says the media either ignores, takes out of context or straight lies about.. the only bully pulpit he has is twitter.

kcchiefs6465
12-18-2018, 09:32 PM
I don't dispute any of that, in fact that just makes my point. Why did he never go beyond retarded tweets and address the American people? Are you saying he couldn't have done so? Or are you saying he did just that? If you are he wasn't very effective.
https://i.imgur.com/O1HPzXg.jpg

Swordsmyth
12-18-2018, 09:33 PM
Not really.. everything he says the media either ignores, takes out of context or straight lies about.. the only bully pulpit he has is twitter.

Hence the need for concrete ACTIONS NOW.

The next presidential election season is already beginning after the end of the midterms, if he was saving all his ammo for reelection then NOW is the time to start using it.

dannno
12-18-2018, 09:35 PM
https://i.imgur.com/O1HPzXg.jpg

You think the media would accurately deliver a message you approved of that Trump made to the American people without lying about it to make him look bad? In turn making what he was trying to say look bad? That is nuts..

It's amazing how some people are just not able to get what is going on here after all this time..

dannno
12-18-2018, 09:42 PM
Hence the need for concrete ACTIONS NOW.

The next presidential election season is already beginning after the end of the midterms, if he was saving all his ammo for reelection then NOW is the time to start using it.

Relax.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAPvfHqWNFE

Swordsmyth
12-18-2018, 09:48 PM
Relax.



Relaxing is how a frog gets boiled, I have given Trump time and I intend to give him more but his time is running out.

I don't know how much time I would give him if we didn't have presidential elections every 4 years but we do and therefore he only has 2 years left and he has to start DOING things while there is still a significant fraction of that left, if he only gets around to doing things a month before the election then he will lose.

dannno
12-18-2018, 09:50 PM
Relaxing is how a frog gets boiled, I have given Trump time and I intend to give him more but his time is running out.

I don't know how much time I would give him if we didn't have presidential elections every 4 years but we do and therefore he only has 2 years left and he has to start DOING things while there is still a significant fraction of that left, if he only gets around to doing things a month before the election then he will lose.

I'm pretty sure he is doing his best.

Swordsmyth
12-18-2018, 09:54 PM
I'm pretty sure he is doing his best.
If this is his best then we are doomed, I consider it more optimistic to believe that he has been holding his fire for tactical reasons and that he will shift gears soon and come out swinging.

I needs to happen soon.

kcchiefs6465
12-18-2018, 09:55 PM
You think the media would accurately deliver a message you approved of that Trump made to the American people without lying about it to make him look bad? In turn making what he was trying to say look bad? That is nuts..

It's amazing how some people are just not able to get what is going on here after all this time..
https://i.imgur.com/p9lAOIE.jpg

dannno
12-18-2018, 10:00 PM
https://i.imgur.com/p9lAOIE.jpg

LOL, ya, isn't he an incredible salesman? They're never gonna pass, or in this case, pass court muster, btw..

Swordsmyth
12-18-2018, 10:07 PM
LOL, ya, isn't he an incredible salesman? They're never gonna pass, or in this case, pass court muster, btw..
The only question is whether you are being mislead by the salesman as well.

That is why actions are needed NOW to show once and for all whose side he is really on.

I'll re-post this here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WbRyU8uuNk

dannno
12-18-2018, 11:19 PM
Should have made the terms of my wager longer.

What length did you want them?

One year, instead of 6 months, I still would have won.

Two years, I'll still win. End of term. Win.

Matt Collins
12-18-2018, 11:30 PM
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