Even Tom Woods Can't Take the Right Wing Version of TDS

[acptulsa]

And he's still got a mild case of it himself...



Tom Woods: In which I blast the MAGA people
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I thought arguing with SJWs was maddening and pointless.

I'd forgotten about what the so-called right wing can be like.

Now look: I understand people who find Trump entertaining, who are creeped out by his Deep State opponents, who appreciate his occasional deviations from foreign-policy orthodoxy, his deregulation, etc.

But for heaven's sake, be reasonable: Trump is a pragmatist, not an anti-state ideologue. Is that even debatable?

And that's all Stockman is saying. He's saying that Bush, Obama, and Trump alike have a pro-state bias to their thought and economic policy. None has come close to cutting spending or getting a handle on the severe unfunded liabilities problem.

Trump didn't even campaign on those things, so it's not even that we're accusing him of breaking a promise. You can't break a promise you never made.

The rest of Stockman's point is that the real problem here is the Federal Reserve, which has hurt Americans of all classes. Who can argue with that?

Trump supporters, evidently.

The entire thread consists of people calling Stockman a "liberal" -- as if liberals criticize the Fed and demand sound money!

These folks don't even understand what they're supposed to believe.

Oh, Woods, go easy on them. Teach them!

I'm trying!

But I have zero sympathy for people who ignorantly denounce David Stockman -- who's 98% sound on economics and monetary policy in particular -- for being, of all things, a left-liberal!

His point is that Trump is a statist. He used that exact word. Now you may disagree with that description of Trump, but it obviously isn't something a liberal would say. To call Stockman a "liberal" (in the American sense, obviously) is as uncomprehending as it gets. He would be the first liberal ever to criticize Trump for favoring too much government.

Stockman criticizes "the state's central banking branch," and the MAGA folks in the comments can't come to the central bank's defense fast enough.

All right, all right, most of them know nothing about the central bank.

So maybe shutting up might not be a bad idea?

Shouldn't their instinct be that a government-established central bank with monopoly privileges is probably a bad idea?

Instead, a critic like Stockman gets lambasted as a "liberal" -- as if liberals are known for their criticisms, rather than instinctual defenses, of the Fed.

[CCTelander]

And he's still got a mild case of it himself...


Sounds like the kind of thing that goes on around here every single day.

I'd +rep you if I could.

[acptulsa]

Sounds like the kind of thing that goes on around here every single day.

I'd +rep you if I could.

The Partisan Curse.

I can see blind support of a football team. But blind support of Team Red and Team Blue is clearly a recipe for tyranny.

[Swordsmyth]

I can't comment on Stockman's article or any replies to it because I haven't read them but I doubt he was arguing with real Trump supporters, real Trump supporters would know that he is making the Fed an enemy.

[acptulsa]

I can't comment on Stockman's article or any replies to it because I haven't read them but I doubt he was arguing with real Trump supporters, real Trump supporters would know that he is making the Fed an enemy.

The No True Scotsman Fallacy again?

I think you set a new Broken Record record.

[Swordsmyth]

The No True Scotsman Fallacy again?

I think you set a new Broken Record record.
Because you actually want to claim that internet troll don't pretend to be or support things they don't?

[acptulsa]

Because you actually want to claim that internet troll don't pretend to be or support things they don't?

I don't even know what it means to pretend to be things they don't. But I do know for a fact that genuine partisan Republicans have been calling people names they don't even understand since before you were born.

[Grandmastersexsay]

I can't comment on Stockman's article or any replies to it because I haven't read them but I doubt he was arguing with real Trump supporters, real Trump supporters would know that he is making the Fed an enemy.

I'm a Trump supporter, and you are giving the average Trump supporter too much credit. There are more Trump supporters than there ever were Ron Paul supporters by a level of magnitude. When you are talking about such a large number of people, you start running into problems with the law of averages, specifically average intelligence and education. Do you really think the average Trump supporter even knows what the federal reserve is, let alone understand the harm it causes? The average trump supporter is more into sharing a video on Facebook of Trump smacking down CNN or something to that effect.

[Swordsmyth]

I'm a Trump supporter, and you are giving the average Trump supporter too much credit. There are more Trump supporters than there ever were Ron Paul supporters by a level of magnitude. When you are talking about such a large number of people, you start running into problems with the law of averages, specifically average intelligence and education. Do you really think the average Trump supporter even knows what the federal reserve is, let alone understand the harm it causes? The average trump supporter is more into sharing a video on Facebook of Trump smacking down CNN or something to that effect.
Perhaps but that makes the OP meaningless and wrong anyway, any Trump supporter that supports the Fed isn't suffering from "right-wing TDS" they are suffering from ignorance about the Fed and about Trump's position, "right-wing TDS" would imply that someone takes Trump's position without thinking for themselves and Trump's position is that the Fed is an enemy.

[acptulsa]

Do you really think the average Trump supporter even knows what the federal reserve is, let alone understand the harm it causes?

He probably does. I think you are underestimating the silly things one can believe when one had Right Wing TDS.


Perhaps but that makes the OP meaningless and wrong anyway, any Trump supporter that supports the Fed isn't suffering from "right-wing TDS" they are suffering from ignorance about the Fed and about Trump's position, "right-wing" TDS would imply that someone takes Trump's position without thinking for themselves and Trump's position is tha tthe Fed is an enemy.

You didn't invent the phrase Right Wing TDS. You have Right Wing TDS. Yet you expect us to take you seriously when you attempt to define the conditions and symptoms of Right Wing TDS?

Sorry. You're SOL.

[Origanalist]

Sounds like the kind of thing that goes on around here every single day.

I'd +rep you if I could.


Done.

[Origanalist]

I can't comment on Stockman's article or any replies to it because I haven't read them but I doubt he was arguing with real Trump supporters, real Trump supporters would know that he is making the Fed an enemy.

No he's not, he just wants more extemely low interest rates just like his predecesors.

[CCTelander]

Done.


Thanks!

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Origanalist again."

[acptulsa]

Thanks!

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Origanalist again."

Done!

(You're not off the hook, though. I was going to do it anyway)

[r3volution 3.0]

Sounds like he's positioning himself to switch sides if/when Google Analytics tells him that's the economical move.

[Anti Federalist]

Now look: I understand people who find Trump entertaining, who are creeped out by his Deep State opponents, who appreciate his occasional deviations from foreign-policy orthodoxy, his deregulation, etc.

But for heaven's sake, be reasonable: Trump is a pragmatist, not an anti-state ideologue. Is that even debatable?

Not not debatable at all.

Clearly factual, and this is roughly where I am vis a vis Trump.

[Swordsmyth]

Not not debatable at all.

Clearly factual, and this is roughly where I am vis a vis Trump.
Somehow the TDS crowd missed that part and failed to burn Woods at the stake for not declaring Trump to be the devil incarnate.

[acptulsa]

Somehow the TDS crowd missed that part and failed to burn Woods at the stake for not declaring Trump to be the devil incarnate.

So, you're saying Those People aren't being evil enough to suit you? If you were them, you'd burn someone alive because you're the good guys?

Or are you just saying what your straw man would have done if he had thought of it?

[angelatc]

There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.

[r3volution 3.0]

Now look: I understand people who find Trump entertaining, who are creeped out by his Deep State opponents, who appreciate his occasional deviations from foreign-policy orthodoxy, his deregulation, etc.

But for heaven's sake, be reasonable: Trump is a pragmatist, not an anti-state ideologue. Is that even debatable?

Not not debatable at all.

Clearly factual, and this is roughly where I am vis a vis Trump.

Pragmatism in itself is a meaningless concept; it must be in relation to some goal.

Rand is a pragmatic libertarian (pragmatically pursuing the goal of libertarianism), Bernie a pragmatic socialist (pragmatic pursuing socialism), etc.

Q. In relation to what goal is Trump a pragmatist; what is he trying to accomplish (pragmatically)?

A. Self-aggrandizement

...which makes him "pragmatic" in just the same way as 99% of politicians.

[Swordsmyth]

Pragmatism in itself is a meaningless concept; it must be in relation to some goal.

Rand is a pragmatic libertarian (pragmatically pursuing the goal of libertarianism), Bernie a pragmatic socialist (pragmatic pursuing socialism), etc.

Q. In relation to what goal is Trump a pragmatist; what is he trying to accomplish (pragmatically)?

A. Self-aggrandizement

...which makes him "pragmatic" in just the same way as 99% of politicians.
Trump ia a pragmatic nationalist which makes him much better than 99% of politicians.

[acptulsa]

Trump ia a pragmatic nationalist...

Oh, clearly...

http://time.com/4629308/donald-trump-business-deals-world-map/#trump_map


Based on the financial disclosure report he filed last year, Trump appears to own or control more than 500 businesses in some two-dozen countries around the world.

[Anti Federalist]

Pragmatism in itself is a meaningless concept; it must be in relation to some goal.

The goal is to encourage economic growth by reducing regulation and taxation, stimulating manufacturing growth which leads to good paying middle class jobs without having to go into $100,000 of college debt by means of pursuing trade and tariff policies that favor US businesses over foreign or transnational businesses.

In his drunken monkey way, that is what is driving Trump's policies.

Up until this month, when it became pretty clear that the AmeriKunt people prefer Bolshevik communism, it seemed to be working.

I know for a fact it was working for me, personally.

[Origanalist]

There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.

Truth.

[CCTelander]

The No True Scotsman Fallacy again?

I think you set a new Broken Record record.


He's a living breathing No True Scotsman Fallacy. Just sayin'.

[TheCount]

The goal is to encourage economic growth by reducing regulation and taxation

Tariffs and bureaucratic red-tape regarding trade mysteriously not counted as regulation and taxation.

[devil21]

Does Woods grasp how ginormously large the Trumper propaganda shill operation is?

No doubt there are some ignorants who label any commentary that doesn't genuflect at the Temple of MAGA but I'm 100% convinced that there is a very coordinated propaganda operation underway to keep criticism of Trump quieted, mainly using "libtard!!11!1!" labels the exact same way the left uses "racist!!11!1!" labels. What Woods and Stockman are experiencing reeks of coordinated attack, not genuine commentary from average Joes.

As if average Joe Trump supporter is really interested in reading Tom Woods or Stockman commentary in the first place. Such commentary is way, way out of their sphere of comprehension so they wouldn't even bother in the first place. They're more suited for Breitbart or Fox News comment sections...

[Cap]

Does Woods grasp how ginormously large the Trumper propaganda shill operation is?

No doubt there are some ignorants who label any commentary that doesn't genuflect at the Temple of MAGA but I'm 100% convinced that there is a very coordinated propaganda operation underway to keep criticism of Trump quieted, mainly using "libtard!!11!1!" labels the exact same way the left uses "racist!!11!1!" labels. What Woods and Stockman are experiencing reeks of coordinated attack, not genuine commentary from average Joes.

As if average Joe Trump supporter is really interested in reading Tom Woods or Stockman commentary in the first place. Such commentary is way, way out of their sphere of comprehension so they wouldn't even bother in the first place. They're more suited for Breitbart or Fox News comment sections...Yep, I think that you pretty much nailed it.

[PAF]

Yep, I think that you pretty much nailed it.

He definitely nailed it.

[Cap]

I don't hav e any rep for PAF or Devil21, you both will have to settle on a simple thank you for your contributions to the board.

[AZJoe]

I can't comment on Stockman's article or any replies to it because I haven't read them but I doubt he was arguing with real Trump supporters, real Trump supporters would know that he is making the Fed an enemy.

No he isn't. Trump is not calling for ending the Fed. Trump calls the Fed his "biggest threat," saying its "gone crazy," but Trump's complaint is that the Fed is not wielding even more power to distort the economy and artificially blow up bubbles more than it already is.

Trump is not contesting the Constitutionality of the Fed. He is not exposing its destruction of currency value, its theft by inflation. He is not exposing its silent transfer of wealth from the workers and savers to the wealthiest .001%. He is not proposing free competition in currency or even sound money. He is not calling to end the Fed. To the contrary, Trump is complaining that the Fed is not manipulating the the economy enough to blow up bubbles; that its not suppressing rates enough and not inflating bubbles fast enough.

Trump whines that the Fed teensy tiny quarter point rate hikes are destroying the "the greatest economy ever". The greatest bubble ever is what it really is. If he were against the Fed he would call for ending it. He would be calling for allowing the market to freely set interest rates rather than begging the Fed to artificially suppress them. He would support free competition in currency or at least sound money. Trump's criticism of the Fed fully align with the likes of Paul Krugman.

Rather than expose the market distortions and phony bubble economy created by the Fed, Trump as president instead stupidly decided to take full credit for the tail end of the Fed's recent ten year bubble. As a result, Trump is now desperately trying to avoid any necessary market correction and wants to keep the bubbles going. He doesn't want to get stuck holding the hot potato when the bubble blows.

Trump is:
https://dollarvigilante.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/FINAL-IMAGE-21.jpg

[acptulsa]

No he isn't. Trump is not calling for ending the Fed. Trump calls the Fed his "biggest threat," saying its "gone crazy," but Trump's complaint is that the Fed is not wielding even more power to distort the economy and artificially blow up bubbles more than it already is.

This. +rep.

Left wing and right wing TDS is the same disease. People who don't understand what the hell's going on have to rely on clues, and somebody's definition of who the good guys are. That's why most partisans are idiots, and most idiots are partisans.

The smart people on my team say the Fed is bad, and Trump's yelling at the Fed. So Trump must be on my team! No. If he was on your team he wouldn't yell at the Fed. He'd kill it.

[dannno]

No he isn't. Trump is not calling for ending the Fed. Trump calls the Fed his "biggest threat," saying its "gone crazy," but Trump's complaint is that the Fed is not wielding even more power to distort the economy and artificially blow up bubbles more than it already is.


Ya, Trump has no clue :rolleyes:


It's no secret that Donald Trump is unhappy with the Federal Reserve and the person who heads it: Janet Yellen.

Now Trump is blaming the Fed for creating a "false economy" with its emphasis on extremely low interest rates.

"They're keeping rates down because they don't want everything else to go down," the Republican presidential nominee told Reuters on Monday.

Trump said the "only thing that is strong is the artificial stock market."

9/6/16

https://money.cnn.com/2016/09/06/investing/donald-trump-fed-false-economy/index.html

[dannno]

I wish we had a President who understood the Fed..


Trump: Low Interest Rates Are Great For Rich People Like Me, Bad For The Country

Posted By Tim Hains (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/authors/tim_hains)
On Date September 12, 2016


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/09/12/trump_low_interest_rates_are_great_for_rich_people _like_me_bad_for_the_country.html


Oh wait..

[AZJoe]

I wish we had a President who understood the Fed..
Trump: Low Interest Rates Are Great For Rich People Like Me, Bad For The Country
Posted By Tim Hains (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/authors/tim_hains)
On Date September 12, 2016
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/09/12/trump_low_interest_rates_are_great_for_rich_people _like_me_bad_for_the_country.html
Oh wait..

Ya, Trump has no clue :rolleyes:
https://money.cnn.com/2016/09/06/investing/donald-trump-fed-false-economy/index.html

Yeah, that was Trump the candidate back in 2016. Trump the candidate was correct when he actually called it a phony economy, and called the jobs numbers phony.
However as soon as the Trump took office, the same job numbers he called phony all of a sudden became real, and the same phony bubble economy all of a sudden became "the greatest economy ever!"

[dannno]

Yeah, that was Trump the candidate back in 2016. Trump the candidate was correct when he actually called it a phony economy, and called the jobs numbers phony. However as soon as he took office, the same job numbers he called phony all of a sudden became real, and the same phony bubble economy all of a sudden became "the greatest economy ever!"

Why do you suppose he did that?

[acptulsa]

Ya, Trump has no clue :rolleyes:


https://money.cnn.com/2016/09/06/investing/donald-trump-fed-false-economy/index.html



An article dated twenty-six months ago.



Play Video
When will the Fed hike interest rates again?
Donald Trump: Fed has created a 'false economy'

By Matt Egan September 6, 2016: 10:27 AM ET
It's no secret that Donald Trump is unhappy with the Federal Reserve and
the person who heads it: Janet Yellen.
Now Trump is blaming the Fed for creating a "false economy" with its emphasis on extremely low interest rates.
"They're keeping rates down because they don't want everything else to go down," the Republican presidential nominee
told Reuters
on Monday.

Trump said the "only thing that is strong is the artificial stock market."
It's the latest example of Trump doubting the bull market in stocks and criticizing the Federal Reserve, an institution that tries hard to avoid being seen as having political motivations.
Trump has previously accused the Fed and Yellen of keeping rates low to help President Obama's poll numbers. Obama nominated Yellen as the central bank's first female chair in October 2013.

"We have a very false economy," Trump told Reuters. "At some point the rates are going to have to change."

So he whined then that the Fed helped Obama with artificially low rates, and now he's whining that the Fed is threatening to stop helping him with artificially low rates. In other words, what he called for then he doesn't want now.

He flip flopped.

Thanks for pointing out his flip flop, dannno. Very enlightening.


Why do you suppose he did that?

We all know why Candidate Trump contradicts President Trump, dannno. Let's see if you can figure it out. Why do you suppose he did that?

[dannno]

An article dated twenty-six months ago.



So he whined then that the Fed helped Obama with artificially low rates, and now he's whining that the Fed is threatening to stop helping him with artificially low rates. In other words, what he called for then he doesn't want now.

He flip flopped.

Thanks for pointing out his flip flop, dannno. Very enlightening.

Ok, why do you suppose he did that?


This is an intelligence test, let's see if you can pass.

[dannno]

Bonus Question:

I think we can all agree that Trump had it right back in 2016 when he was saying that we had a fake economy propped up by artificially low interest rates, that was helping the rich and hurting the country.

What percentage of the US population, do you believe, understands this problem as well as Trump did back in 2016?

[AZJoe]

Ok, why do you suppose he did that?
This is an intelligence test, let's see if you can pass.

That was already answered here (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528781-Even-Tom-Woods-Can-t-Take-the-Right-Wing-Version-of-TDS&p=6714656&viewfull=1#post6714656):


Rather than expose the market distortions and phony bubble economy created by the Fed, Trump as president instead stupidly decided to take full credit for the tail end of the Fed's recent ten year bubble. As a result, Trump is now desperately trying to avoid any necessary market correction and wants to keep the bubbles going. He doesn't want to get stuck holding the hot potato when the bubble blows.

[acptulsa]

Ok, why do you suppose he did that?


This is an intelligence test, let's see if you can pass.

How can the class pass when the teacher already flunked?

[dannno]

How can the class pass when the teacher already flunked?

Why don't you answer and let others judge for themselves?

[dannno]

That was already answered here (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528781-Even-Tom-Woods-Can-t-Take-the-Right-Wing-Version-of-TDS&p=6714656&viewfull=1#post6714656):

That is in the right direction, you are about 25% of the way there.

Re-read your own statement, and then answer again: Why do you suppose that is?

[acptulsa]

Why don't you answer and let others judge for themselves?

Because all I could do is repeat what Joe spoon-fed you twice--and which your cognitive dissonance is still preventing you from understanding.

Everyone here but you can see it.

[CCTelander]

How can the class pass when the teacher already flunked?


Dannno should go back to arguing with the women here about how much they in fact enjoy cervical, shall we say, "stimulation" (the women themselves described it much less pleasantly) during sex while those very women were telling him flat out that they found it unpleasant and painful.

He wouldn't be making any more sense, but at least he'd be doing a great deal less harm.

[acptulsa]

He wouldn't be making any more sense, but at least he'd be doing a great deal less harm.

I disagree. Now he's just demonstrating that we put up with idiots in our midst. Back then he was demonstrating that we put up with totally sexist idiots in our midst.


That is in the right direction, you are about 25% of the way there.

Re-read your own statement, and then answer again: Why do you suppose that is?

dannno, you can dream up sixteen tons of 3D Chess Obfuscation (TM) like you always do. But the simplest explanation is usually right. Blowing bubbles makes a sitting president look good (until they burst, which doesn't appear to be imminent). Candidate Trump of The Opposition Party voted nay, Sitting President Trump is voting yea.

This ain't rocket science, and we don't need a space cadet to explain it to us.

[Origanalist]

Dannno should go back to arguing with the women here about how much they in fact enjoy cervical, shall we say, "stimulation" (the women themselves described it much less pleasantly) during sex while those very women were telling him flat out that they found it unpleasant and painful.

He wouldn't be making any more sense, but at least he'd be doing a great deal less harm.

I don't know, both are pretty amusing.

[CCTelander]

I disagree. Now he's just demonstrating that we put up with idiots in our midst. Back then he was demonstrating that we put up with totally sexist idiots in our midst.


True, but back then nobody could possibly get the idea that he had any considerable support from the rest of us for his idiocy. That is not the case now.

[dannno]

Nobody has event attempted the bonus question..

[dannno]

Dannno should go back to arguing with the women here about how much they in fact enjoy cervical, shall we say, "stimulation" (the women themselves described it much less pleasantly) during sex while those very women were telling him flat out that they found it unpleasant and painful.

He wouldn't be making any more sense, but at least he'd be doing a great deal less harm.

It was actually a single woman who was describing it as unpleasant, claiming that it must be unpleasant for all women, when that is actually not the case. For many women it is pleasant. Men like different things from each other when it comes to sex, and so do women. I don't claim all men like the things I like, and all men hate the things I hate. But I don't expect your memory to be that great.

[acptulsa]

Nobody has event attempted the bonus question..

You want us to guess what percentage of the population understands the concept of fiat currency-driven bubbles? Why?

Here's a bonus question for you: Now that Trump's benefitting from the bubble, what is he currently doing to educate people about the problem?


It was actually a single woman who was describing it as unpleasant...

Shall we test your memory?

[dannno]

Ok, so here are the answers to the quiz. I hope Tom Woods reads this thread.

This has nothing to do with 3D chess, and everything to do with common sense. It's really, really basic shit.


1.

Trump clearly had an incredibly accurate understanding of the Fed in 2016. In fact, I would say that probably less than 1-2% of the population understands the problems with the Federal Reserve as clearly as Trump (Answer: Bonus Question).

Had Trump done the right thing and come out with an honest explanation to the country that our economy was in a huge bubble (because of the Fed's low interest rates) and that it was required that we reduce spending and go through a huge recession - do you think that would have gone over well?

First of all, the media doesn't communicate anything Trump says properly, ever.. and the media loves the fed so we know the message never would have reached the people unless he tweeted it out. Twitter only allows so many characters.

Second of all, since only 1-2% of the population understands things this way, what effect would that have had considering the major media would never have communicated the message? Almost zero.

Thirdly, congress won't vote to reduce spending and the Fed would never cooperate with Trump.

Even if he was able to accomplish this, however, the only result I can possibly think of from taking such an action, or at least the most likely result, is that the economy would go down. Then the media would blame it on Trump and his anti-fed policies and raising rates and reducing spending.. the Democrats would then take over power and reduce the rates and increase spending.

What we need to do if we are going to let the economy unravel under a good President is have AT BARE MINIMUM 5-10% of the population understanding the problem with the federal reserve so that when things get worse, there are enough people out there to educate others so that those policies don't get blamed and instead understand that it was past policies that caused the pain. Otherwise the policies that were being used to fix the mess will be blamed.

[dannno]

Here's a bonus question for you: Now that Trump's benefitting from the bubble, what is he currently doing to educate people about the problem?

Trump is in no way 'benefiting' from any of this, that is complete nonsense. Trump has already lost billions of dollars in personal wealth since he has become President, and that was a cost he was willing to pay to help fix the country. He should be lauded for being so completely unselfish. But instead the left makes up a bunch of crap about how this whole thing is some how benefiting Trump.

[acptulsa]

Trump has already lost billions of dollars in personal wealth since he has become President, and that was a cost he was willing to pay to help fix the country.

I notice you expect us to take this statement on faith. Because none of your posts ever contain a hint of hyperbole.


Uh, ya, that was one case I was referring to.. I have personal experience with many more cases, have witnessed countless others, and there are plenty of testimonials from other women to be found. I don't understand how this is such a big controversy.

[dannno]

I notice you expect us to take this statement on faith.

'I've lost billions of dollars' since becoming president, Trump says




Trump has lost $1 billion in personal wealth since running for president

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/trump-has-lost-1-billion-personal-wealth-running-president-n916221


$1 billion or billions, I don't think anybody knows. But if you think there is a difference and some how that makes me wrong, you are probably just being a dick.

[acptulsa]

, Trump says

Oh, well.



www.nbcnews.com/

Since when do you consider them an unimpeachable source?


$1 billion or billions, I don't think anybody knows. But if you think there is a difference and some how that makes me wrong, you are probably just being a dick.

And why are we assuming I meant he's benefitting financially? Could he not benefit politically instead?

[dannno]

And why are we assuming I meant he's benefitting financially? Could he not benefit politically instead?

What does he gain from being in politics? He is a billionaire. Politics is literally the worst thing in the world. He lost a lot of money doing it. He is doing it for his son, so that he has a better world to live in, even though he will have less wealth.

[acptulsa]

What does he gain from being in politics?

Do I really need to explain to you the difference between political gain and gain from politics?

Really?

[Origanalist]

What does he gain from being in politics? He is a billionaire. Politics is literally the worst thing in the world. He lost a lot of money doing it. He is doing it for his son, so that he has a better world to live in, even though he will have less wealth.

LOLOL, we should all thank Trump for his selfless sacrifice, ha ha ha ha. It has nothing to do with his ego or insatiable desire to be in the spotlight. He's just a humble servant trying to do his best for his country. LMAO

[CCTelander]

LOLOL, we should all thank Trump for his selfless sacrifice, ha ha ha ha. It has nothing to do with his ego or insatiable desire to be in the spotlight. He's just a humble servant trying to do his best for his country. LMAO


I know, right? Bat shit crazy doesn't even come close to describing it.

[dannno]

LOLOL, we should all thank Trump for his selfless sacrifice, ha ha ha ha. It has nothing to do with his ego or insatiable desire to be in the spotlight. He's just a humble servant trying to do his best for his country. LMAO

Yep, and one day it will hit you like a ton of bricks that I'm right.

[dannno]

Do I really need to explain to you the difference between political gain and gain from politics?

Really?

How does any of that help Trump?

[acptulsa]

How does any of that help Trump?

You do realize that's irrelevant, right...?

I can't decide if it's funnier that you think a 'political gain' is monetary, or that a temporary fluctuation in the valuation of a business is a 'personal sacrifice'.

[dannno]

You do realize that's irrelevant, right...?

How is it irrelevent?




I can't decide if it's funnier that you think a 'political gain' is monetary, or that a temporary fluctuation in the valuation of a business is a 'personal sacrifice'.

Why do most politicians want power? (Hint: it's not the same reason Ron Paul or Trump want power)

[CCTelander]

How is it irrelevent?




Why do most politicians want power? (Hint: it's not the same reason Ron Paul or Trump want power)


Ron Paul on steroids, I'm tellin' ya!

[dannno]

Ron Paul on steroids, I'm tellin' ya!

Nah, if Trump were Ron Paul on steroids he would a bull in the china shop trying to destroy the state, as opposed to making America great again. Making America great again has a lot in common with the ideals that proponents of liberty hold, particularly when compared to the leftist commie alternative that has been roaming our front yard and knocking on the door.

[acptulsa]

Nah, if Trump were Ron Paul on steroids he would a bull in the china shop trying to destroy the state, as opposed to making America great again.

That's pure bullshit.

1. Ron Paul is not, and never was, an anarchist.

2. Ron Paul actually understands that politicians cannot, do not, and never could make a nation great. Only its people can do that, and Ron Paul (unlike Trump) has enough sense to get Washington the hell out of the way and let us.

Sometimes it totally astounds me how brainwashed by the MSM you really are.

[angelatc]

No he's not, he just wants more extemely low interest rates just like his predecesors.

I don't think that's true. Stockman is more one of us than not. His newsletter is subscriber only, but the pitch to join is, "David believes the world -- certainly the United States -- is at a great inflection point in human history. The massive credit inflation of the last three decades has reached its apogee and is now going to splatter spectacularly."

[angelatc]

You do realize that's irrelevant, right...?

I can't decide if it's funnier that you think a 'political gain' is monetary, or that a temporary fluctuation in the valuation of a business is a 'personal sacrifice'.

I know I'm going to regret this but - can you possibly just TRY to have a conversation without using the word "you?"

[acptulsa]

I don't think that's true. Stockman is more one of us than not. His newsletter is subscriber only, but the pitch to join is, "David believes the world -- certainly the United States -- is at a great inflection point in human history. The massive credit inflation of the last three decades has reached its apogee and is now going to splatter spectacularly."

He wasn't talking about Stockman.


I know I'm going to regret this but - can you possibly just TRY to have a conversation without using the word "you?"

Should I go all Quaker and use "thee"?

[Origanalist]

There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.

https://cdn.minds.com/fs/v1/thumbnail/924188239912361984

[UWDude]

Oh, clearly...

http://time.com/4629308/donald-trump-business-deals-world-map/#trump_map

Nationalism does not mean you can only do business within the borders of your own country.

You are being ridiculous.

[Pauls' Revere]

There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.

+rep

[Occam's Banana]

https://www.nbcnews.com/
Since when do you consider them an unimpeachable source?

Apparently, sometimes Fake News isn't Fake News.

And tweets are words again (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528288-Bad-to-Worse-SoCal-Fire-Sends-Thousands-Fleeing-101-Closed-Zero-Containment&p=6708008&viewfull=1#post6708008), too.

Sometimes ...



What does he gain from being in politics? He is a billionaire. Politics is literally the worst thing in the world. He lost a lot of money doing it. He is doing it for his son, so that he has a better world to live in, even though he will have less wealth.
LOLOL, we should all thank Trump for his selfless sacrifice, ha ha ha ha. It has nothing to do with his ego or insatiable desire to be in the spotlight. He's just a humble servant trying to do his best for his country. LMAO

Don't you understand? Donald Trump "is doing what he was planning all along, which is to save western civilization. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509945-Trump-admin-prepares-charges-to-seek-arrest-of-WikiLeaks-Julian-Assange&p=6457448&viewfull=1#post6457448)"

Otherwise, how can you explain things like the fact that Donald Trump is "the only thing keeping this country from being disarmed (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529387-Trump-demands-you-turn-over-your-bump-stocks&p=6722361&viewfull=1#post6722361)"?

Hmmmm, Mr. Smarty Pants?

[devil21]

LOLOL, we should all thank Trump for his selfless sacrifice, ha ha ha ha. It has nothing to do with his ego or insatiable desire to be in the spotlight. He's just a humble servant trying to do his best for his country. LMAO

That plays a big part but if you dig into Trump's business dealings in the past, it's clear that he owed a lot of big players, with lots of skin in the game, a lot of favors for past dealings.

[CCTelander]

Apparently, sometimes Fake News isn't Fake News.

And tweets are words again (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528288-Bad-to-Worse-SoCal-Fire-Sends-Thousands-Fleeing-101-Closed-Zero-Containment&p=6708008&viewfull=1#post6708008), too.

Sometimes ...



Don't you understand? Donald Trump "is doing what he was planning all along, which is to save western civilization. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509945-Trump-admin-prepares-charges-to-seek-arrest-of-WikiLeaks-Julian-Assange&p=6457448&viewfull=1#post6457448)"

Otherwise, how can you explain things like the fact that Donald Trump is "the only thing keeping this country from being disarmed (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529387-Trump-demands-you-turn-over-your-bump-stocks&p=6722361&viewfull=1#post6722361)"?

Hmmmm, Mr. Smarty Pants?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EQK2yCf0jc

[acptulsa]

This comment will look silly in a few years, I predict.

When Trump pretty much singlehandedly takes out the Satanic Deep State Cabal that rules our country and starts all of these wars you are complaining about, a few votes in the House that didn't make any difference from a practical standpoint by Amash will pale in comparison.

The problem is, we NEED Amash, Rand and Massie to help put this country back together and steer us in the right direction after Trump clears the way. Amash appears to be $#@!ing that part of the plan up. But we will see, hopefully he wins his election.

That comment looks very silly right now.

Friend, won't you give generously to help us find the cure for Right Wing Trump Derangement Syndrome today? Then perhaps poor unfortunate sufferers like our pitiful friend dannno can understand tomorrow that you don't fight Satanic cabals by starting wars.

[dude58677]

Donald Trump is a first step to term limits by getting elected as a non-politician.