Trump reiterates demand: $5B for wall funding or face shutdown

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/28/politics/donald-trump-border-wall-funding-government-shutdown/index.html

He made the threat before and signed the spending bills anyways. He has also backed down on his demands. It used to be $20 billion for a wall- now it is down to $5 billion. Also says he supports DACA. Most of government is already funded so most government wont' be shut down- just Homeland Security and the departments of Justice and State. Since this is not under "reconciliation", any spending bill will require 60 votes in the Senate meaning they need at least nine Democrats to support any bill.


President Donald Trump reiterated his demand in a new interview that Congress appropriate $5 billion for a border wall, saying he would "totally be willing" to shut down the government if he doesn't get the funding.

The government faces a potential shutdown on December 7 if a funding deal is not reached. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer told reporters on Tuesday that Democrats' position remains at $1.6 billion for border security measures agreed to by GOP and Democratic appropriators.

Trump told Politico in an interview published Wednesday that he believes he would win a political battle with Democrats over the issue.

"I will tell you, politically speaking, that issue is a total winner," the President said, citing recent incidents at the border that he believes have motivated support for more security. He also said the $5 billion would only be for a physical barrier and that "the number is larger for border security."

The newspaper reported that Trump appeared "unflinchingly firm" on his desire for the $5 billion. In an interview with The Washington Post published on Tuesday evening, however, Trump appeared to leave the door open to finding a different solution if he can't convince Democrats to support the funding.

The President also told Politico that he "was in no mood" to reach a compromise with Democrats on a large-scale immigration deal and wants to wait to form a compromise on "Dreamers" -- undocumented immigrants brought to the US as children -- until after current court challenges to the program are decided.

He predicted the Supreme Court would take up the legality of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, an Obama-era initiative that protected thousands of young undocumented immigrants brought to the US as children from deportation.

"I have big heart for DACA," Trump told Politico. "I want to be able to keep them. But if the court rules properly, there will be no problem with DACA and we'll get everything solved. If the court rules in favor of Obama having that right, it's going to be a disaster because we will get nothing, we will get nothing done."

[enhanced_deficit]

Why, Mexico will not pay for it?


Developing..

No payment for Trump's wall but Trump son in law will get Mexico's Highest Award

[CCTelander]

Not to worry. Mexico said the check is in the mail.

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/daca-recipient-makes-history-after-being-named-rhodes-scholar


DACA recipient makes history after being named Rhodes Scholar


A DACA recipient who is a Harvard senior has been awarded a coveted Rhodes scholarship.

Jin Kyu Park, 22, is originally from South Korea. His parents brought him to the U.S. when he was 7.

“I’m thankful that the Rhodes have expanded their eligibility to include DACA recipients,” Park was quoted as saying in a Harvard University news release. “But it’s important to note that I am just one of 11 million. And this really reflects the fact that if you give DACA recipients a chance, we can really contribute to this country and do amazing things. Every DACA recipient is capable of great things.”

Undocumented immigrants protected under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program could vie for Rhodes scholarships for the first time this year.

The first Rhodes Scholars were named 116 years ago, the Queens Daily Eagle reported.

The Obama-era DACA program protects certain illegal immigrants brought to the U.S. as children from deportation.

Courts have thwarted President Trump’s effort to phase out the program. Trump ordered DACA rolled back last year.

Oxford named Park and 31 other U.S. college students Rhodes Scholars on Nov. 17.

Park, who grew up in New York City, told WABC-TV that at Oxford he wants to build on his college and DACA experiences.

"Now I want to give back," he told the station. "I want to come back to the United States, maybe work in a public health department to create policies for undocumented immigrants and for immigrant health."

[Swordsmyth]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/daca-recipient-makes-history-after-being-named-rhodes-scholar
I could post many stories of DACA murderers and criminals.

[Zippyjuan]

I could post many stories of DACA murderers and criminals.

Sure you can find a few bad apples here and there. No group is all angels. Does that make all of them bad? If a Republican is arrested, are all Republicans criminals?

https://www.uscis.gov/news/new-data-shows-criminal-arrest-histories-daca-requestors


Of the total 888,765 DACA requestors, 797,297 had no arrests or apprehensions,

Out of 889,000, less than 8,000 (0.88%) were arrested after their approval according to the data.


Approximately 13-percent (7,814) of approved DACA requestors with an arrest had an arrest after their grant was approved and prior to renewal.

Arrests included things like DUIs.


The new data relates to arrests and apprehensions, which do not necessarily result in actual convictions.

[Swordsmyth]

Sure you can find a few bad apples here and there. No group is all angels. Does that make all of them bad? If a Republican is arrested, are all Republicans criminals?

https://www.uscis.gov/news/new-data-shows-criminal-arrest-histories-daca-requestors



Out of 889,000, less than 8,000 were arrested after their approval according to the data.



Arrests included things like DUIs.
You are the one who attempted to imply that they were all brilliant angels.

[Dr.3D]

From what I've heard, Mexico wants $20b to feed and house those illegals.

Maybe instead of giving that to Mexico, just use that to build the wall and say, "Mexico paid for it."

[Zippyjuan]

From what I've heard, Mexico wants $20b to feed and house those illegals.

Maybe instead of giving that to Mexico, just use that to build the wall and say, "Mexico paid for it."

Link? $20 billion for 5,000 people would be $400,000 each.

[Swordsmyth]

From what I've heard, Mexico wants $20b to feed and house those illegals.

Maybe instead of giving that to Mexico, just use that to build the wall and say, "Mexico paid for it."
And then tax all foreign money transfers by anyone who doesn't have proof of citizenship/proof of legal residence to get the money back.
Then we cut off all welfare/refundable tax credits that go to illegals.

Mexico will have paid for anything we need to do to secure the border in no time at all.

[Swordsmyth]

Link? $20 billion for 5,000 people would be $400,000 each.

As Mexico wrestles with what to do with more than 5,000 Central American migrants camped out at a sports complex in the border city of Tijuana, President-elect Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador's government signaled Tuesday that it would be willing to house the migrants on Mexican soil while they apply for asylum in the United States — a key demand of U.S. President Donald Trump.Mexico's new foreign minister also called on the Trump administration to contribute to development projects to help create jobs in Central America to stem the flow of migrants from the impoverished region, suggesting an appropriate figure would start at $20 billion.
"We cannot determine at what pace people are interviewed" by U.S. officials as part of the asylum process, the incoming foreign relations secretary, Marcelo Ebrard, told a news conference in Mexico City. U.S. border inspectors are processing fewer than 100 asylum claims a day at Tijuana's main crossing to San Diego, creating a backlog of thousands.
"So, what do we have to do?" Ebrard asked. "Prepare ourselves to assume that a good part of them are going to be in this area of Mexico for the coming months."
"We have to support local authorities" in housing and feeding the migrants, he said, adding: "That is not a bilateral negotiation. That is something we have to do."

More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/caravan-m...050127367.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/caravan-migrants-explore-options-tijuana-border-clash-050127367.html)

[Zippyjuan]

As Mexico wrestles with what to do with more than 5,000 Central American migrants camped out at a sports complex in the border city of Tijuana, President-elect Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador's government signaled Tuesday that it would be willing to house the migrants on Mexican soil while they apply for asylum in the United States — a key demand of U.S. President Donald Trump.Mexico's new foreign minister also called on the Trump administration to contribute to development projects to help create jobs in Central America to stem the flow of migrants from the impoverished region, suggesting an appropriate figure would start at $20 billion.
"We cannot determine at what pace people are interviewed" by U.S. officials as part of the asylum process, the incoming foreign relations secretary, Marcelo Ebrard, told a news conference in Mexico City. U.S. border inspectors are processing fewer than 100 asylum claims a day at Tijuana's main crossing to San Diego, creating a backlog of thousands.
"So, what do we have to do?" Ebrard asked. "Prepare ourselves to assume that a good part of them are going to be in this area of Mexico for the coming months."
"We have to support local authorities" in housing and feeding the migrants, he said, adding: "That is not a bilateral negotiation. That is something we have to do."

More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/caravan-m...050127367.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/caravan-migrants-explore-options-tijuana-border-clash-050127367.html)

Thanks for the link. You could buy houses for every one of them in Mexico for less than half that money.

[r3volution 3.0]

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that, whatever else may happen, the eventual compromise will mean higher spending..

[dannno]

Why, Mexico will not pay for it?


Developing..

No payment for Trump's wall but Trump son in law will get Mexico's Highest Award

Trump has said Mexico will pay for the wall in some form, whether through trade agreements or otherwise. The direct funding for the wall still has to be approved by congress.

I'm not sure why the left constantly points out this silly nonsense.

[Zippyjuan]

Trump has said Mexico will pay for the wall in some form, whether through trade agreements or otherwise. The direct funding for the wall still has to be approved by congress.

I'm not sure why the left constantly points out this silly nonsense.

Yes, Congress does have to approve it. So who pays for what Congress authorizes? US Taxpayers. Or people the government borrows from (by selling Treasury notes). We cannot force Mexico to pay for it. $20 billion is just to get the program started. If he wants a wall all across the southern border, some estimate it will cost more than ten times that amount. Incrementalism. And he will have to seize and fence off private property as part of that.

Typical government program. Say it won't cost you anything (or hardly anything) and seriously understate the real costs so you can get it going. "Ah don't worry about a thing! Mexico will be happy to pay for it! It will only cost $5 billion anyways!" Then it becomes a permanent program every year after that. How did government get so big?

[dannno]

Yes, Congress does have to approve it. So who pays for what Congress authorizes? US Taxpayers. Or people the government borrows from (by selling Treasury notes). We cannot force Mexico to pay for it. $20 billion is just to get the program started. If he wants a wall all across the southern border, some estimate it will cost more than ten times that amount. Incrementalism. And he will have to seize and fence off private property as part of that.

No, we can't force Mexico to pay for it, but Trump can negotiate it with them.

[Schifference]

Why would we pay anything towards food or shelter for those people. They are Mexico's problem. We did not ask them to go into Mexico. Mexico had an opportunity to turn them away at their border.

[parocks]

How much are we supposed to give Israel? $38 Billion?

[enhanced_deficit]

How much are we supposed to give Israel? $38 Billion?

They have a bigger wall.

[TheTexan]

Is $5 billion enough though? If we don't build the wall tall enough, people will just fly over it

[enhanced_deficit]

Is $5 billion enough though? ...

3D Art of the deal, you start with low ask and then raise your ask when the other side rejects it.

You seem to be thinking 2D, leave it to the skilled negotiators.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9mmgsukPvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9mmgsukPvo

[oyarde]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/28/politics/donald-trump-border-wall-funding-government-shutdown/index.html

He made the threat before and signed the spending bills anyways. He has also backed down on his demands. It used to be $20 billion for a wall- now it is down to $5 billion. Also says he supports DACA. Most of government is already funded so most government wont' be shut down- just Homeland Security and the departments of Justice and State. Since this is not under "reconciliation", any spending bill will require 60 votes in the Senate meaning they need at least nine Democrats to support any bill.

Shut it down.

[Zippyjuan]

Shut it down.

Homeland Security? You one of those "open borders" people?

[oyarde]

Homeland Security? You one of those "open borders" people?

Yes shut down TSA and homeland. We can keep the border patrol until we eliminate all tax funded welfare .

[Zippyjuan]

Yes shut down TSA and homeland. We can keep the border patrol until we eliminate all tax funded welfare .

Border patrol is part of Homeland Security. (but they would never be included in any government shutdown anyways- neither would TSA- that would close airports and shut down air commerce and travel).

[oyarde]

Border patrol is part of Homeland Security. (but they would never be included in any government shutdown anyways- neither would TSA- that would close airports and shut down air commerce and travel).

Ya I am pretty sure border patrol would not be included . Nobody would miss TSA.