White House blocks CIA director from briefing Senate on Khashoggi

[goldenequity]

Report: White House blocks CIA director from briefing Senate on Khashoggi
https://www.axios.com/report-white-house-blocks-cia-director-from-briefing-senate-on-khashoggi-1543360433-20ab529c-b3d6-4af1-882f-26562c5704d9.html
https://images.axios.com/FKue46DOSx1eJ5DmbNfrAAKaUcE=/0x0:1920x1080/1920x1080/2018/11/27/1543360438767.jpg

The White House is barring CIA Director Gina Haspel and other intelligence officials
from briefing the Senate on the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.
The White House did not immediately respond to Axios' request for comment.

Why it matters:
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Defense Secretary James Mattis
are reportedly scheduled to brief senators on U.S.-Saudi relations following Khashoggi's murder during a closed-door session on Wednesday.
Intelligence officials would normally be present at such a meeting, especially given the Senate is set to vote
on a measure that could end U.S. support for the Saudi-led coalition in Yemen. (see below)

The backdrop: Haspel's absence will be particularly noticeable, given she was dispatched to Turkey following Khashoggi's death
and has reportedly heard an audio recording of the murder.

The CIA also released a report stating that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the killing.
Several lawmakers have criticized Trump's response to the incident.
Last week Trump said the U.S. would stand by Saudi Arabia, despite the release of the CIA report.


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November 27, 2018
Senate could vote to pull US out of the Yemen war
https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-11-27/senate-could-vote-pull-us-out-yemen-war

The Senate may try this week to get the US to pull out of the Yemen war.
SJ Res 54 (https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-joint-resolution/54), a resolution sponsored by Democrat Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Republican Senator Mike Lee of Utah, would "direct the removal of United States Armed Forces from hostilities in the Republic of Yemen that have not been authorized by Congress."
This is the second time Sanders and Lee have sought passage of the bill that would require US President Donald Trump to seek Congressional approval before continuing US support for the Saudi war effort.

[enhanced_deficit]

There can be danger in too much freedom:

Argentina urged to arrest Saudi prince MBS at G20 summit over Khashoggi killing

Hannah Lucinda Smith
November 28 2018, 12:01am, The Times


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/methode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2F8766e118-f259-11e8-86cb-a1db889448ed.jpg?crop=3371%2C1896%2C665%2C561&resize=685
Protesters chanting “the murderer is not welcome” greeted Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman as he arrived in Tunis yesterday. They called for justice over the killing of the journalist Jamal KhashoggiFETHI BELAID/AFP/GETTY IMAGESSaudi Arabia’s crown prince is facing calls for his arrest for war crimes and torture when he arrives in Argentina for the G20 meeting of world leaders on Friday.
Human Rights Watch, which is based in New York, has submitted a writ to Ariel Lijo, a federal judge in Buenos Aires, for Mohammed bin Salman to be tried over the killing of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi and the war in Yemen. The writ has been passed on to a federal prosecutor, Ramiro González, who will decide whether the case can be pursued in an Argentine court.
Even if the request is not accepted, it will cause further embarrassment for the crown prince when he arrives in the city for the summit. He faced protests in…

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/argentina-urged-to-arrest-saudi-prince-mbs-at-g20-summit-over-khashoggi-killing-8h0m85s5v


Rep. Tulsi Gabbard says Trump is "Saudi Arabia's bitch" in tweet (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528596-Rep-Tulsi-Gabbard-says-Trump-is-quot-Saudi-Arabia-s-bitch-quot-in-tweet/page2&)

[Swordsmyth]

The White House did not block CIA Director Gina Haspel from participating in a briefing on Wednesday for the U.S. Senate about the war in Yemen and U.S. relations with Saudi Arabia, a spokesman for the agency said."The notion that anyone told Director Haspel not to attend today's briefing is false," agency spokesman Timothy Barrett said in a statement.

More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/cia-says-white-house-did-not-block-director-201519269.html

[spudea]

The CIA also released a report stating that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the killing.

This is false. Show me the report.

[goldenequity]

This is false. Show me the report.
Axios is new to me.. so idk.

here is their 'about' page...
https://www.axios.com/about

hmmmmmmmmmmm

nevertheless...
there are many articles referencing that the 'CIA conclusion' was that MbS ordered the killing of Jamal Khashoggi.
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=palemoon&q=CIA+Khashoggi&ia=news

[AZJoe]

The White House did not block CIA Director Gina Haspel from participating in a briefing on Wednesday for the U.S. Senate about the war in Yemen and U.S. relations with Saudi Arabia, a spokesman for the agency said."The notion that anyone told Director Haspel not to attend today's briefing is false," agency spokesman Timothy Barrett said in a statement.

More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/cia-says-white-house-did-not-block-director-201519269.html

Although after the White House denied telling her not to attend, Haspel nevertheless was MIA from the Khashoggi briefing. She listened to the recordings. She flew to Turkey personally and elsewhere, and the widely reported CIA assessment that MBS personally ordered the assassination. Neither the CIA nor White House have disputed the reports that that is the CIA assessment. All of this makes Haspel key for the Senate briefing. Yes she still went AWOL. She is able to fly around the globe to meet with foreign governments for the matter, but can't show up for her own government, United States Senate briefing down the street.

That gives the impression that if the White House did not directly tell Bloody Gina not to attend, it was strongly implied or suggested, and confirms that her MIA was certainly not opposed.

[spudea]

the widely reported CIA assessment that MBS personally ordered the assassination. Neither the CIA nor White House have disputed the reports that that is the CIA assessment.

No such CIA report was published. Its spook vs spook selective media leaks. Show me the report so I can read it. The media news around it was disputed by the Whitehouse. It was disputed by Mattis Defense Secretary.

[enhanced_deficit]

Intel gahering and assesment is area of expertise of Sec of Defense Mattis, hence he was asked to brief Congress by MAGA. What expertise CIA has in this area?

Crickets.

Also, that CIA chief does not put our closest allies in midesat First.

Also, it's unfortunate that our sale of weapons to Saudi dictatorship & free weapons to only non-racist democracy there leads to more violent bloodbaths , school buses filled with children being blown up and civilians of other countries getting killed. But reality is that these sales create many many well paying jobs here that help put food on the table for many of our own chidrens. It's unfortunate that children get killed/maimed in these bloody wars fueled by our weapons but we have to put our Childrens and America First.

[AZJoe]

No such CIA report was published. Its spook vs spook selective media leaks. Show me the report so I can read it. The media news around it was disputed by the Whitehouse. It was disputed by Mattis Defense Secretary.

Yes the CIA assessment was not published. My comment did not say the CIA assessment was published. Don't be a goofball.

The fact that the assessment is not published, but nevertheless still widely reported by multiple media separately citing high level source(s);
and the fact that the CIA has not disputed the media reports of the assessment;
and the White House has not contradicted the media reports of the assessment (all the White House has said is that it's "inconclusive" - a nebulous statement that does not directly contradict "high confidence" report of the assessment);
All of this makes Bloody Gina Haspel's appearance and cooperation with the United State Senate briefing all the more vital.

It also makes bloody Gina Haspel's MIA no show for the US Senate all the more circumspect. Why was Haspel AWOL to the Senate briefing if the assessment does not say what the media report it to say? Why is the White House not cooperating with the United State Senate? Why won't the White House direct Gina to inform the Senate of the CIA assessment? Why are they hiding from the United State Senate ?
Why won't she discuss the recording played for her in Turkey? Why won't the White House direct her to cooperate with the Senate? If the White House is so confident that the assessment and evidence truly is "inconclusive" why are the hiding it from the United States Senate briefing?

[Swordsmyth]

Why is everyone so sure that the CIA can be trusted?
Why is everyone so concerned over the Saudis killing one of their own spooks?

If you want to attack the Saudis then we should talk about Yemen and I will agree.

[enhanced_deficit]

Why is everyone so sure that the CIA can be trusted?


It mght be because vast majority of Americans still have greater trust in CIA's version over killing of an American resident by a foreign regime than that of accused Saudi dictator or his ally Netanyahu. Many US Senators including Rand Paul who have seen intel showing that Netanyahu/Kushner's ally Saudi dictator's brother called Khashuggi to assure him that he should come to embassy get some null marriage certificate and he'll be safe.

If an American resident and an American paper's journalist originally from Israel or UK was tortured/dismembered/killed by a mideast dictator while visiting embassy for some paperwork, would you have same accepting attitude?

Trump's pretty upfront that he wants to trust a foreign dictator's version over his intel agency under his command because otherwise US weapons sales and other money interest could be jeopardized. His motive is clear, curious why are you putting more trust in Netnyahu/Kushner/Saudi dactator's version on this than CIA assessment on this?

[Swordsmyth]

It mght be because vast majority of Americans still have greater trust in CIA's version over killing of an American resident by a foreign regime than that of accused Saudi dictator or his ally Netanyahu. Many US Senators including Rand Paul who have seen intel showing that Netanyahu/Kushner's ally Saudi dictator's brother called Khashuggi to assure him that he should come to embassy get some null marriage certificate and he'll be safe.

If an American resident and an American paper's journalist originally from Israel or UK was tortured/dismembered/killed by a mideast dictator while visiting embassy for some paperwork, would you have same accepting attitude?

Trump's pretty upfront that he wants to trust a foreign dictator's version over his intel agency under his command because otherwise US weapons sales and other money interest could be jeopardized. His motive is clear, curious why are you putting more trust in Netnyahu/Kushner/Saudi dactator's version on this than CIA assessment on this?

The CIA has a motive to topple Trump and MBS and they very well could have participated in a plot to frame MBS by killing Khashoggi after MBS's brother assured him he would be safe.

I don't trust MBS because he is evil but so is the CIA.

Khasoggi was an evil Saudi spook and I don't care if MBS had him killed, Yemen is a much better reason to disentangle ourselves from the Saudis.

To summarize:

Khasoggi was not a US citizen and he was an evil spook, he was killed by Saudis but it isn't clear who ordered it, NOBODY involved can be trusted and they ALL have excellent motives to lie.

Please stop wasting time on Khashoggi, he deosn't deserve it and it is an insult to the victims of the Yemen war.

[enhanced_deficit]

Khasoggi was an evil Saudi spook and I don't care if MBS had him killed, Yemen is a much better reason to disentangle ourselves from the Saudis.


You keep repeating such Nartnyahu/Israeli version of events... what "evil" did he do that made him deserving of being tortured/dismembered and what is your source behind these claims?

[Swordsmyth]

You keep repeating such Nartnyahu/Israeli version of events... what "evil" did he do that made him deserving of being tortured/dismembered and what is your source behind these claims?
He has been involve in Saudi intelligence for a very long time and his connections are well known:



especially dangerous due to his speaking from within the Saudi establishment and having been an adviser to a former Saudi intelligence chief.
* * *

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...side-consulate (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-06/turkey-stuns-concluding-prominent-journalist-killed-murder-team-inside-consulate)

https://i.servimg.com/u/f33/19/91/34/17/jamal10.jpg


Saudis confirm Khashoggi was CIA asset (https://astutenews.com/2018/10/13/the-killing-of-saudi-journalist-khashoggi-could-spell-the-end-for-mohammad-bin-salman/). Now we know why CIA WaPo got all bent out of shape over this murder, while giving complete silence as the Saud’s commit mass murder in Yemen, and the Israeli IDF makes a hobby out of shooting journalist in Gaza.

Khashoggi was a rather shady guy. A 'journalist' who was also an operator for Saudi and U.S. intelligence services. He was an early recruit (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/jamal-khashoggis-long-road-to-the-doors-of-the-saudi-consulate/2018/10/12/b461d6f4-ce1a-11e8-920f-dd52e1ae4570_story.html) of the Muslim Brotherhood:

Khashoggi’s intellectual interests were shaped in his early 20s when he studied in the United States and was also a passionate member of the Muslim Brotherhood. The brotherhood was a secret underground fraternity that wanted to purge the Arab world of the corruption and autocratic rule it saw as a legacy of Western colonialism.

Khashoggi helped in the U.S./Saudi/Pakistani project to destabilize Afghanistan. He met and interviewed Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan and Sudan. The man with the RPG in the upper left picture is Jamal Khashoggi himself.

http://www.moonofalabama.org/images7/khashoogiafghan1-s.jpg
(http://www.moonofalabama.org/images7/khashoogiafghan1.jpg)bigger

(http://www.moonofalabama.org/images7/khashoogiafghan1.jpg) Khashoggi became a protege of (https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/10/12/killing-saudi-journalist-khashoggi-could-spell-end-for-mohammad-bin-salman.html) the longtime head of Saudi intelligence, Turki Faisal Al-Saud. He was engaged in several 'projects' in Afghanistan, Sudan and Algeria. Khashoggi followed Turki as 'media advisor' when he became ambassador in London and later in Washington DC.

Jamal Khashoggi supported the Muslim Brotherhood during the 'Arab Spring'. This was in line with Hillary Clinton/Barack Obama supported regime change program for most of the Middle East. After the fall of president Mubarak in Egypt and the election win by the Brotherhood the Saudi rulers feared to be the next in line. They started to finance counter revolutions in Egypt and elsewhere. Under the reign of King Salman and his son the suppression of all aspects of Brotherhood influence intensified.

Having lost his protection Khashoggi decided to leave (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/jamal-khashoggis-long-road-to-the-doors-of-the-saudi-consulate/2018/10/12/b461d6f4-ce1a-11e8-920f-dd52e1ae4570_story.html) Saudi Arabia:

Friends helped Khashoggi obtain a visa that allowed him to stay in the United States as a permanent resident.

Fred Hiatt, the neo-conservative editor of the Washington Post, hired him. The Post published his columns against the Saudi rulers in English and Arabic.
Recently Khashoggi started a number of projects (https://apnews.com/02e2e2d9d4a440df99a8e691d34263db) that reek of preparations for a CIA controlled color-revolution in Saudi Arabia:

Jamal Khashoggi, a prolific writer and commentator, was working quietly with intellectuals, reformists and Islamists to launch a group called Democracy for the Arab World Now. He wanted to set up a media watch organization to keep track of press freedom. He also planned to launch an economic-focused website to
translate international reports into Arabic to bring sobering realities to a population often hungry for real news, not propaganda.
Part of Khashoggi’s approach was to include political Islamists in what he saw as democracy building.
...
Khashoggi had incorporated his democracy advocacy group, DAWN, in January in Delaware, said Khaled Saffuri, another friend. .. The project was expected to reach out to journalists and lobby for change, representing both Islamists and liberals, said another friend, Azzam Tamimi, a prominent Palestinian-British activist and TV presenter.
...
Tamimi said he and Khashoggi had set up a similar pro-democracy project together in 1992 when they first met. It was called Friends of Democracy in Algeria, he said, and followed the botched elections in Algeria, which the government annulled to avert an imminent Islamist victory.

Khashoggi has an enormous number of friends in Washington DC. Mainstream journalists see him as of one of their own. Like them he does not deserve such ghastly fate. The neo-liberals as well as the neo-conservatives liked his 'regime change' Arab Spring support and his efforts against Saudi Arabia. Many people in Congress know him personally. They activated procedures under the Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act (https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/284) that will lead to sanctions against Saudi figures. Media, banks and well known personalities pulled out (https://qz.com/1422349/khashoggi-jp-morgan-and-blackrock-ceos-will-attend-saudi-conference/) of a three-day financial conference in Riyadh dubbed “Davos in the Desert".

More at: https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/10/settling-the-khashoggi-case-will-be-a-difficult-process.html#more


Stop trying to whitewash Khashoggi or evoke any pity for him, "one more good spook" is the only epitaph he deserves.

It is equally likely that the CIA and friends killed him to embarrass Trump and MBS or that MBS got overconfident and had him killed to make an example of him.

STOP insulting the victims of the Yemen war by giving Khashoggi any importance.

Yemen is a more than sufficient reason for us to cut ourselves loose from Saudi Barbaria and there are plenty of other reasons that are far more important than Khashoggi even IF MBS personally ordered the killing.

[Swordsmyth]

You keep repeating such Nartnyahu/Israeli version of events... what "evil" did he do that made him deserving of being tortured/dismembered and what is your source behind these claims?
Israel (or factions within Israel) may very well be part of the faction that wants to topple MBS, they had good relations with the Saudis before he took power and they will if he is replaced.

[enhanced_deficit]

He has been involve in Saudi intelligence for a very long time and his connections are well known:

especially dangerous due to his speaking from within the Saudi establishment and having been an adviser to a former Saudi intelligence chief.
* * *


Khashoggi was a rather shady guy. A 'journalist' who was also an operator for Saudi and U.S. intelligence services. He was an early recruit (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/jamal-khashoggis-long-road-to-the-doors-of-the-saudi-consulate/2018/10/12/b461d6f4-ce1a-11e8-920f-dd52e1ae4570_story.html) of the Muslim Brotherhood:

Khashoggi’s intellectual interests were shaped in his early 20s when he studied in the United States and was also a passionate member of the Muslim Brotherhood. The brotherhood was a secret underground fraternity that wanted to purge the Arab world of the corruption and autocratic rule it saw as a legacy of Western colonialism.

Khashoggi helped in the U.S./Saudi/Pakistani project to destabilize Afghanistan. He met and interviewed Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan and Sudan. The man with the RPG in the upper left picture is Jamal Khashoggi himself.

http://www.moonofalabama.org/images7/khashoogiafghan1-s.jpg
(http://www.moonofalabama.org/images7/khashoogiafghan1.jpg)

(http://www.moonofalabama.org/images7/khashoogiafghan1.jpg) Khashoggi became a protege of (https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/10/12/killing-saudi-journalist-khashoggi-could-spell-end-for-mohammad-bin-salman.html) the longtime head of Saudi intelligence, Turki Faisal Al-Saud. He was engaged in several 'projects' in Afghanistan, Sudan and Algeria. Khashoggi followed Turki as 'media advisor' when he became ambassador in London and later in Washington DC.

Jamal Khashoggi supported the Muslim Brotherhood during the 'Arab Spring'. This was in line with Hillary Clinton/Barack Obama supported regime change program for most of the Middle East. After the fall of president Mubarak in Egypt and the election win by the Brotherhood the Saudi rulers feared to be the next in line. They started to finance counter revolutions in Egypt and elsewhere. Under the reign of King Salman and his son the suppression of all aspects of Brotherhood influence intensified.

Having lost his protection Khashoggi decided to leave (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/jamal-khashoggis-long-road-to-the-doors-of-the-saudi-consulate/2018/10/12/b461d6f4-ce1a-11e8-920f-dd52e1ae4570_story.html) Saudi Arabia:

Friends helped Khashoggi obtain a visa that allowed him to stay in the United States as a permanent resident.


Fred Hiatt, the neo-conservative editor of the Washington Post, hired him. The Post published his columns against the Saudi rulers in English and Arabic.
Recently Khashoggi started a number of projects (https://apnews.com/02e2e2d9d4a440df99a8e691d34263db) that reek of preparations for a CIA controlled color-revolution in Saudi Arabia:

Jamal Khashoggi, a prolific writer and commentator, was working quietly with intellectuals, reformists and Islamists to launch a group called Democracy for the Arab World Now. He wanted to set up a media watch organization to keep track of press freedom. He also planned to launch an economic-focused website to
translate international reports into Arabic to bring sobering realities to a population often hungry for real news, not propaganda.
Part of Khashoggi’s approach was to include political Islamists in what he saw as democracy building.
...
Khashoggi had incorporated his democracy advocacy group, DAWN, in January in Delaware, said Khaled Saffuri, another friend. .. The project was expected to reach out to journalists and lobby for change, representing both Islamists and liberals, said another friend, Azzam Tamimi, a prominent Palestinian-British activist and TV presenter.
...
Tamimi said he and Khashoggi had set up a similar pro-democracy project together in 1992 when they first met. It was called Friends of Democracy in Algeria, he said, and followed the botched elections in Algeria, which the government annulled to avert an imminent Islamist victory.




http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by AZJoe http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=6692707#post6692707)
Saudis confirm Khashoggi was CIA asset (https://astutenews.com/2018/10/13/the-killing-of-saudi-journalist-khashoggi-could-spell-the-end-for-mohammad-bin-salman/). Now we know why CIA WaPo got all bent out of shape over this murder, while giving complete silence as the Saud’s commit mass murder in Yemen, and the Israeli IDF makes a hobby out of shooting journalist in Gaza.


Khashoggi has an enormous number of friends in Washington DC. Mainstream journalists see him as of one of their own. Like them he does not deserve such ghastly fate. The neo-liberals as well as the neo-conservatives liked his 'regime change' Arab Spring support and his efforts against Saudi Arabia. Many people in Congress know him personally. They activated procedures under the Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act (https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/284) that will lead to sanctions against Saudi figures. Media, banks and well known personalities pulled out (https://qz.com/1422349/khashoggi-jp-morgan-and-blackrock-ceos-will-attend-saudi-conference/) of a three-day financial conference in Riyadh dubbed “Davos in the Desert".

More at: https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/10/settling-the-khashoggi-case-will-be-a-difficult-process.html#more


Main theme in these somewhat conflicting/hodge podge/shady reporting citing moon of Alabama and zerohedge seems to be that he had been active against mideast dictatorship and supported some democratic movements there like Likud styled Jewish brotherhood etc. And he may have been working for CIA. Would be surprising if he was hired by Washington Post after tweeting in support of ISIS.
But taking such assertions on face value and assuming for a second non of it is fakenews, do you view ISIS as evil?
What about creators/protectors of ISIS, are they also eveil? Do you know who created ISIS?

You want to minimize torturing/killing of this guy by a beheading regime waging bloody war in Yemen because he was "not American", and yet show compassion for yemeni children suddenly who are also not American?
But more importantly, did you raise your voice against the guy who is selling bombs to the very dictators who are blowing up school childrens buses in Yemen?



Cat out of bag: Israel ‘Concerned’ over US War On ISIS (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?459855-Cat-out-of-bag-Israel-‘Concerned’-over-US-War-On-ISIS&)

Israel the Main Buyer of ISIS Oil — Report (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?486242-Israel-the-Main-Buyer-of-ISIS-Oil-—-Report&)

ISIS and Israel attack Syrian Army (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?485502-ISIS-and-Israel-attack-Syrian-Army&)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb3vF6Vcjr0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb3vF6Vcjr0


Using same moral standards you are using to blame this victim of bone saw killing, what is your view of Netanyahu? Do you see him as evil also?
What is your view of Israeli lobbies funding politicians including MAGA? Is all that kosher conduct in your view?


If you have high faith in zerohedge reports, what is your view of our own military?


Video Emerges Of US Allowing ISIS Fighters To Escape Safely In ...
https://www.zerohedge.com/.../video-emerges-us-allowing-isis-fighters-escape-safely-s...Jun 14, 2017 - Video footage obtained by Al-Masdar appears to show convoys of ISIS fighters fleeing the Syrian city of Raqqa untouched by the U.S. military, ...




Khashoggi helped in the U.S./Saudi/Pakistani project to destabilize Afghanistan. He met and interviewed Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan and Sudan.

http://www.moonofalabama.org/images7/khashoogiafghan1-s.jpg
(http://www.moonofalabama.org/images7/khashoogiafghan1.jpg)
(http://www.moonofalabama.org/images7/khashoogiafghan1.jpg)

What is your view of MAGA 1.0 Reagan, evil or a fine MAGA guy?

https://fmacskasy.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/reagan-afghan-article.jpg?w=595
http://global-politics.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/osamabinladennewspaperusareagan.jpg



Would you be blaming the victims if Reagan or Netanyahu walked into a mideast dictatorship run embassy and were physically mistreated?



See any "evil" in this photo?

https://wonkette-img.rbl.ms/simage/https%3A%2F%2Fassets.rbl.ms%2F17693809%2F980x.jpg/2000%2C2000/ZqhW9c6B%2BJHipfSY/img.jpg

[Swordsmyth]

Main theme in these somewhat conflicting/hodge podge/shady reporting citing moon of Alabama and zerohedge seems to be that he had been active against mideast dictatorship and supported some democratic movements there like Likud styled Jewish brotherhood etc. And he may have been working for CIA. Would be surprising if he was hired by Washington Post after tweeting in support of ISIS.
But taking such assertions on face value and assuming for a second non of it is fakenews, do you view ISIS as evil?
What about creators/protectors of ISIS, are they also eveil? Do you know who created ISIS?

You want to minimize torturing/killing of this guy by a beheading regime waging bloody war in Yemen because he was "not American", and yet show compassion for yemeni children suddenly who are also not American?
But more importantly, did you raise your voice against the guy who is selling bombs to the very dictators who are blowing up school childrens buses in Yemen?



Cat out of bag: Israel ‘Concerned’ over US War On ISIS (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?459855-Cat-out-of-bag-Israel-‘Concerned’-over-US-War-On-ISIS&)

Israel the Main Buyer of ISIS Oil — Report (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?486242-Israel-the-Main-Buyer-of-ISIS-Oil-—-Report&)

ISIS and Israel attack Syrian Army (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?485502-ISIS-and-Israel-attack-Syrian-Army&)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb3vF6Vcjr0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb3vF6Vcjr0


Using same moral standards you are using to blame this victim of bone saw killing, what is your view of Netanyahu? Do you see him as evil also?
What is your view of Israeli lobbies funding politicians including MAGA? Is all that kosher conduct in your view?


If you have high faith in zerohedge reports, what is your view of our own military?






What is your view Reagan, evil or a fine MAGA guy?

https://fmacskasy.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/reagan-afghan-article.jpg?w=595
http://global-politics.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/osamabinladennewspaperusareagan.jpg



Would you be blaming the victims if Reagan or Netanyahu walked into a mideast dictatorship run embassy and were physically mistreated?
Your attempts to turn this situation on its head and whitewash Khashoggi are disgusting, I have made my opinions on US/Israeli/Saudi "misadventures" clear in many posts and I will not be subject to cross-examination by you.

Stop the Demoncrat propaganda, Khashoggi as green scum and there is no reason to trust the CIA.