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Anti Federalist
11-22-2018, 11:26 PM
This Election Mattered

https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2018/11/21/this-election-mattered/

By eric - November 21, 2018

If you don’t think elections matter, wait about five years.

Then go shopping for a new car.

You will have your choice of a small hybrid car – or an electric car. Because by 2025, all new cars will be required by federal fatwa to average almost 50 miles-per-gallon – nearly twice the current fatwa-mandated average.

And the only cars capable of doing so are small hybrids like the Toyota Prius, Hyundai Ioniq and Kio Niro.

And, of course, electric cars – which burn no gas at all. Well, not directly.

There may still be a few other, non-hybrid cars (and possibly even trucks) but these will have become very artificially expensive – so you probably will not be able to afford one.

Because the Democrats won control of the House.

These Democrats believe it is the government’s business to dictate (they aren’t recommending) how much gas your car uses, never mind who pays for the car or the gas.

And never mind that we have plenty of gas.

They will prevent the Orange One from rescinding the near-doubling (over the course of about five years) of the federal Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standard that was fatwa’d by Barack Obama’s EPA.

Cars that don’t average almost 50 MPG will be the object of abusive fines designed to make them so expensive to sell that very few will be able to buy them – regardless of how much they want and prefer them to cars that average 50 MPGs.

Since literally every car that’s available right now that isn’t a hybrid or electric averages nowhere close to 50 MPG, you can perhaps read the tea leaves.

Thus, most of us will be nudged into hybrids and electric cars – which are expensive for natural reasons. Batteries cost a great deal more than gas – and anything that has to be plugged in also costs time and lots of it – but never mind.

They use less gas. Someone ought to erect a totem pole so we can worship Saturday nights.

Maybe make this mandatory, too.

Hybrids burn gas part time – and electricity the rest of the time. This requires burning oil and coal and natural gas the rest of the time, but never mind.

Electric cars burn their oil/coal and natural gas remotely – a sleight-of-hand which enables their manufacturers to tout infinite MPGs and even more unctuously, “zero emissions” . . . at least insofar as what comes out of the tailpipe, which an EV hasn’t got.

The EV does have several hundred pounds of caustic, flammable and short-life batteries, though.

It’s all pretty silly, especially given we are literally swimming in gas and there is no need for any of this – which of course is exactly why the government is forcing it on us. It knows perfectly well that most people aren’t going to buy a hybrid or an EV when gas is $2.40 a gallon because why would they?

It makes as much sense as going on a diet when you’re thin.

CAFE is a law even more dated than MC Hammer and parachute pants – or 8 Track tape decks and bell bottom cords, for that matter. It dates back all the way to the early ’70s and Nixon and was passed at a time and with the usual ill-considered franticness when America was dependent on Middle Eastern oil – which wasn’t scarce but was being withheld by the Saudis and other foreign producers (OPEC) annoyed over U.S. foreign policy.

The scarcity and price spikes were artificial – not the consequence of the oil running out.

But the government decided in its usual way to impose a fix on what wasn’t broken and passed the Energy Conservation Act and from that act came CAFE and progressively upticking “fleet average” MPG bars that had to be met – or else.

It seems not to have occurred to the government that if gas really was becoming scarce and prices going through the roof for natural reasons then the market would respond to this signal on its own. Fuel-efficient cars would be built – and bought – without the bayonet in the back.

But now there’s a problem – if you’re the government and need an excuse to decree the kinds of cars people are permitted to buy, which is only superficially about the cars and much more about the control being exercised.

Gas isn’t scarce – and it’s become obvious.

The supply is vastly larger than it was thought to be 50 years ago. Uh-oh. There is no natural market reason to mass-rush into hybrids and EVs – which for exactly this reason depend on a life support system of subsidies and mandates to get even a few people to buy them.

Gas taxes as a prod in the back to artificially create scarcity are politically untenable – even for Democrats – because too obvious.

But CAFE will do the trick without most people ever being aware they’ve been tricked – and mulcted. Because most people think CAFE is a place where you go to get coffee.

Also, far too many of them buy into the Free Lunch. The idea that the evil car industry is withholding 50-MPG cars just for the sake of wastefulness – and that a benevolent government can simply order them to be made without economic or functional consequences.

They’ll be made, all right.

But there are going to be consequences. And those consequences will be paid for by everyone who goes car shopping a few years from now.

Whatever you may think of the Orange One, he tried to stop all of this.

And now he won’t be able to.

Swordsmyth
11-22-2018, 11:38 PM
Hopefully we can reverse it in 2 years, if RBG dies in a hurry maybe we can get CAFE overturned by SCOTUS too or at least get SCOTUS to allow Trump's administration to reverse the regulations.

Pauls' Revere
11-23-2018, 12:36 AM
Maybe this will change our exposure to reliance on Mideast oil. I remember the gas lines in 1974.

TheTexan
11-23-2018, 01:18 AM
Every election matters. It's why we vote so hard.

Occam's Banana
11-23-2018, 04:00 AM
How much of any of this is due to the outcome of this, that or the other particular election[s] (on the one hand) and how much is due to Congress having given carte blanche to unelected regulators to arbitrarily conjure up new rules ex nihilo pretty much as and when they desire (on the other hand)?

However pleased we may be with (some of) the strokes of Trump's EO pen, the underlying source of the problem remains entirely untouched, and I'm not seeing that the outcome of any election in living memory has done anything at all to abate the control and power of the vast and overweening federal executive plantation under which we exist ...

Origanalist
11-23-2018, 06:34 AM
They will prevent the Orange One from rescinding the near-doubling (over the course of about five years) of the federal Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standard that was fatwa’d by Barack Obama’s EPA.

If he is able to rescind it how is congress able to stop him?

Anti Federalist
11-23-2018, 09:41 AM
Maybe this will change our exposure to reliance on Mideast oil. I remember the gas lines in 1974.

We don't rely on mideast oil.

The US is now the largest oil producer in the world.

Of what we do import over 40 percent comes from Canada.

17 percent comes from Saudi Arabia and about 6 percent from Iraq which are the only two significant exporters to the US.

But there are reasons for this, as crude is not the same. It has very large differences in chemical composition depending on where is was drilled for.

So there is quite a bit of trading and exporting going on as well, as "light sweets" and Texas Intermediates and Venezuela or Alaska Heavies are all used for different purposes and require different refining processes

acptulsa
11-23-2018, 10:36 AM
Hopefully we can reverse it in 2 years, if RBG dies in a hurry maybe we can get CAFE overturned by SCOTUS too or at least get SCOTUS to allow Trump's administration to reverse the regulations.

Whatever.

The EPA is an Executive Branch agency. Guess what that means? If the orange dud had half the balls of Ron Paul, it would already be disbanded outright.

What kind of swamp-busting, 3D chess-playing strong man needs Ruth Bader-Gibsburg's help to fire his own employees?

You aren't coming up with ways he could get the job done. You're making excuses for the demonstrable fact that he doesn't do the job because he's not a conservative.

Just another RINO.

Swordsmyth
11-23-2018, 02:11 PM
Whatever.

The EPA is an Executive Branch agency. Guess what that means? If the orange dud had half the balls of Ron Paul, it would already be disbanded outright.

What kind of swamp-busting, 3D chess-playing strong man needs Ruth Bader-Gibsburg's help to fire his own employees?

You aren't coming up with ways he could get the job done. You're making excuses for the demonstrable fact that he doesn't do the job because he's not a conservative.

Just another RINO.
SCOTUS rules the land whether that should be or not.

If Trump tried to buck the courts he would be impeached with the help of the moderates and RINOs faster than you could say "Jack Robinson".

Origanalist
11-23-2018, 02:21 PM
SCOTUS rules the land whether that should be or not.

If Trump tried to buck the courts he would be impeached with the help of the moderates and RINOs faster than you could say "Jack Robinson".

Every president has tried to buck the courts to one degree or another, this statement just isn't true.

Swordsmyth
11-23-2018, 02:23 PM
Every president has tried to buck the courts to one degree or another, this statement just isn't true.
I'm talking about outright defiance and Trump has been specially targeted for impeachment.

Origanalist
11-23-2018, 02:26 PM
I'm talking about outright defiance and Trump has been specially targeted for impeachment.

So am I and he's hardly the first president to be targeted for impeachment.

Origanalist
11-23-2018, 02:29 PM
I'm talking about outright defiance and Trump has been specially targeted for impeachment.

Besides, this article clearly lays the blame at the fact that the democrats took the house and says nothing about the courts.

Swordsmyth
11-23-2018, 02:33 PM
Besides, this article clearly lays the blame at the fact that the democrats took the house and says nothing about the courts.
I know, but the House isn't directly involved unless they were going to repeal the relevant law, their relevance has to do with impeaching him if he defies the courts when they try to block his administration from changing the regulations.

RJ Liberty
11-23-2018, 02:33 PM
Whatever.

The EPA is an Executive Branch agency. Guess what that means? If the orange dud had half the balls of Ron Paul, it would already be disbanded outright.

What kind of swamp-busting, 3D chess-playing strong man needs Ruth Bader-Gibsburg's help to fire his own employees?


Yep. If Orange Cheeto wanted to change emissions standards through a shake-up at the EPA, he could do so. He's had two years, now.

Republicans play this game where it's the fault of Democrats who aren't even in office yet. As if we didn't just witness two years of the Republicans controlling every branch of government.

Swordsmyth
11-23-2018, 02:35 PM
So am I and he's hardly the first president to be targeted for impeachment.
He has been targeted by members of his own party in addition to the opposition party and it is questionable if the impeachment campaigns against others were sincere.

Origanalist
11-23-2018, 02:35 PM
I know, but the House isn't directly involved unless they were going to repeal the relevant law, their relevance has to do with impeaching him if he defies the courts when they try to block his administration from changing the regulations.

Has he done so?

Origanalist
11-23-2018, 02:37 PM
Yep. If Orange Cheeto wanted to change emissions standards through a shake-up at the EPA, he could do so. He's had two years, now.

Republicans play this game where it's the fault of Democrats who aren't even in office yet. As if we didn't just witness two years of the Republicans controlling every branch of government.

You must spread rep blah blah

Origanalist
11-23-2018, 02:38 PM
He has been targeted by members of his own party in addition to the opposition party and it is questionable if the impeachment campaigns against others were sincere.

I see, well that changes everything....

Swordsmyth
11-23-2018, 02:44 PM
Has he done so?

No, he doesn't want to be impeached.

Now that Kavanaugh is on the court we will see how cases go but Roberts can't be trusted so it may take until RBG is gone before he can really start to get things done without the courts overruling him every time.

It will help if he can get a SCOTUS ruling that says local judges can't make national rulings but Roberts just signaled his support for the O'Bummer judges who do that.

Origanalist
11-23-2018, 04:10 PM
No, he doesn't want to be impeached.

Now that Kavanaugh is on the court we will see how cases go but Roberts can't be trusted so it may take until RBG is gone before he can really start to get things done without the courts overruling him every time.

It will help if he can get a SCOTUS ruling that says local judges can't make national rulings but Roberts just signaled his support for the O'Bummer judges who do that.

So basically he's pretty much just impotent.

Swordsmyth
11-23-2018, 04:14 PM
So basically he's pretty much just impotent.
He's doing what he can.

Hopefully RBG will hurry up and die so he can do more.

acptulsa
11-23-2018, 04:47 PM
He has been targeted by members of his own party in addition to the opposition party and it is questionable if the impeachment campaigns against others were sincere.

Stop dissembling and speak plainly.

1. Are you denying that the EPA is an Executive Branch agency?

2. Are you denying that The Executive can disband an Executive Branch agency?

3. Are you saying someone is going to bring a lawsuit against Trump if he disbands an Executive Branch agency, or are you saying Trump is afraid disbanding an Executive Branch agency will be considered a high crime or a misdemeanor?

Ron Paul would have had it disbanded and its building sold by now. Face it. Trump isn't a chickens hit, afraid of the House, the Court and his own shadow. He's a swamp RINO. He was once a Democrat, and always will be a Democrat. Just as wiser heads have been trying to tell you for two and a half years.

And no, Eric, this election didn't mean shit to the EPA. The Executive who failed to disband the EPA last year is continuing to fail this year.

Swordsmyth
11-23-2018, 04:51 PM
Stop dissembling and speak plainly.

1. Are you denying that the EPA is an Executive Branch agency?

2. Are you denying that The Executive can disband an Executive Branch agency?

3. Are you saying someone is going to bring a lawsuit against Trump if he disbands an Executive Branch agency, or are you saying Trump is afraid disbanding an Executive Branch agency will be considered a high crime or a misdemeanor?
Someone is going to bring a lawsuit against Trump if he disbands an Executive Branch agency
Trump is afraid disbanding an Executive Branch agency will be considered a high crime or a misdemeanor

Origanalist
11-23-2018, 09:32 PM
Someone is going to bring a lawsuit against Trump if he disbands an Executive Branch agency
Trump is afraid disbanding an Executive Branch agency will be considered a high crime or a misdemeanor

What a cuck.

Swordsmyth
11-23-2018, 09:38 PM
What a cuck.
Discretion is the better part of valor, if Ron had won then he would have been killed or impeached if he tried to kill the EPA without getting more support in Congress than Trump has.

He does more good in office than he would if he was impeached.

CCTelander
11-23-2018, 09:41 PM
What a cuck.


The cuckiest.

And the mind reading powers of his supporters are truly astounding too.

Origanalist
11-23-2018, 09:51 PM
Discretion is the better part of valor, if Ron had won then he would have been killed or impeached if he tried to kill the EPA without getting more support in Congress than Trump has.

He does more good in office than he would if he was impeached.

To hear you describe the situation, he's pretty much a hood ornament unless RBG dies.

Swordsmyth
11-23-2018, 09:55 PM
To hear you describe the situation, he's pretty much a hood ornament unless RBG dies.
There are things he can and does do but the left and the RINOs have the system well and truly rigged.

The same gang has been in almost complete control since the attempt on Reagan's life without interruption.

DamianTV
11-24-2018, 03:26 AM
Discretion is the better part of valor, if Ron had won then he would have been killed or impeached if he tried to kill the EPA without getting more support in Congress than Trump has.

He does more good in office than he would if he was impeached.

Proving once again DC stands for District of Criminals.

presence
11-24-2018, 07:54 AM
the primary reasons why vehicles can't get 50 mpg:

1) all the heavy shit the state mandates you to tote along for the privilege of traveling muh roads

2) absurd state mandates on what comes out the tailpipe while fuel consumption to do so be damned

3) corporate intellectual property entitlements impeding production of proven early models


If those things weren't an issue... the roads would be filled with 75 mpg toyota hilux, vw beetles, geo metros, and suzuki carry, etc.

but alas... they're all banned and were never allowed to thrive to begin with


truly tho


imagine a world were kids could sell strawberry lemonade on the side of the road without state permission


the vehicles we'd pull up in!

acptulsa
11-27-2018, 09:00 AM
What a cuck.

It happens over and over. The MSM talked trash about Nixon, Ford, Reagan, both Bushes, McCain (until they overdid it and his campaign almost collapsed; the plane crashing, carrier burning songbird has been The War Hero of the Age ever since), and Romney and his dog before Trump. And Republican primary voters ate it up and called people who said, 'They must like him, they're giving him free publicity' idiots for not buying the press. Then they make excuses for the ones who get elected and don't keep their promises for at least a decade after. Better than admitting they got suckered. Again.


https://youtube.com/watch?v=Kp2c5gK18xA

Unless you're a Republican primary voting cuck, of course. Then there's no limit to the number of times you can get fooled. No limit at all.

Anti Federalist
11-27-2018, 09:19 AM
the primary reasons why vehicles can't get 50 mpg:

1) all the heavy shit the state mandates you to tote along for the privilege of traveling muh roads

2) absurd state mandates on what comes out the tailpipe while fuel consumption to do so be damned

3) corporate intellectual property entitlements impeding production of proven early models


If those things weren't an issue... the roads would be filled with 75 mpg toyota hilux, vw beetles, geo metros, and suzuki carry, etc.

but alas... they're all banned and were never allowed to thrive to begin with


truly tho


imagine a world were kids could sell strawberry lemonade on the side of the road without state permission


the vehicles we'd pull up in!

4 - Reduced thermal "mass" of a gallon of gasoline due to Uncle Sucker mandated dilution with ethanol, now increased to 15% thanks to Trump pandering to corn farmers.

dean.engelhardt
11-27-2018, 09:26 AM
Laws that mandate ridiculous standards 10 or more years in the future are fluff. They mean nothing. They are a ploy to get short term political gain at little expense. I could be a politician that gets elected on a position of getting 50% of all energy from solar 15 year in the future. Laws of government play second fiddle to the laws of physics and the markets.

As far as the 50 mpg law, what is the government going to do if people don't want to buy a car that gets 50 mpg and manufactures can't make them? Nothing. Voters aren't electing politicians that hurt them or the auto industry.

Anti Federalist
11-27-2018, 09:32 AM
Voters aren't electing politicians that hurt them or the auto industry.

LOL wut???

phill4paul
11-27-2018, 09:40 AM
LOL wut???

Congree.

oyarde
11-27-2018, 09:41 AM
If you have to drive to work and are voting for dems for the house , well that would make you retarded .