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Anti Federalist
11-20-2018, 09:57 PM
Why Are People 'Outraged' That Private Firefighters Saved Kim and Kanye's Home?

https://reason.com/blog/2018/11/16/why-are-people-outraged-that-private-fir

Getting upset over private firefighters does a whole lot less good than the firefighters themselves.

Joe Setyon|Nov. 16, 2018 1:15 pm

"People are outraged" that celebrity couple Kanye and Kim Kardashian West hired a team of private firefighters to save their home in Hidden Hills, California, claims a Thursday headline from Business Insider.

The headline-writing community certainly seems outraged. "Kim Kardashian's Private Firefighters Expose America's Fault Lines," blares The Atlantic. "As California's Wildfires Raged, The Ultra-Rich Hired Private Firefighters," announces HuffPost. Vice puts it bluntly: "Rich People Pay for Private Firefighters While the Rest of Us Burn."

The Wests, who have evacuated the area, did benefit from the work of private firefighters. According to TMZ, a private crew used hoses and dug ditches to save the couple's $60 million mansion. The firefighters' efforts reportedly helped save other homes in the neighborhood as well, as a fire at the West mansion likely would have spread.

Business Insider notes that the couple probably doesn't have a team of firefighters literally on call. It's more likely that the firefighters are a service they pay for as part of their fire insurance. These sorts of policies are not cheap—CBS News reports they can cost between $2,500 and $8,000 a year—and they're often available only to people with expensive houses.

Much of the criticism aimed at such policies seems to stem from the belief that it's unfair for rich people to get extra help saving their homes. "Firefighters are consistently ranked the most beloved public servants, not just because they look good on calendars but because they treat everyone equally," historian Amy Greenberg tells The Atlantic. "Rich people don't get their own 'better' firefighters, or at least they aren't supposed to."

But the wildfires raging through California are putting a massive strain on the state's resources. Not only are 66 people dead and at least 600 more missing, but 52,000 people were forced to evacuate, with many of them going to shelters. Back in September, the state had already exhausted most of its entire annual wildfire budget, and that was before the latest fires broke out. More than 200 prison inmates have been battling the flames alongside professional crews. Clearly, California needs all the help it can get. If rich folks pay for private firefighters, that means the state can focus its resources on helping those who can't afford expensive insurance policies.

This isn't a new debate. During the 2007 California wildfire season, some people complained about the same thing. Reason's Matt Welch pointed out the absurdity of the argument in a column for the Los Angeles Times (where he worked at the time):

You would think that the cheap availability of potent fire retardant, and the creation of supplementary firefighting capability with costs borne entirely by the homeowners who choose to live in fire zones, instead of everyday taxpayers would be a cause for at least mild enthusiasm.

Bonus link: Here at Reason we've been singing the praises of private firefighters since at least 1976, when Reason Foundation founder Robert Poole wrote about the Rural Metro Fire Department's efforts in Scottsdale, Arizona.

Swordsmyth
11-20-2018, 10:02 PM
The idiots don't realize that the private firefighters wouldn't be added to the government forces if the rich didn't hire them, there would simply be less firefighters and the fires would be worse.

Anti Federalist
11-20-2018, 10:15 PM
The idiots don't realize that the private firefighters wouldn't be added to the government forces if the rich didn't hire them, there would simply be less firefighters and the fires would be worse.

Well of course, but try and explain that to millennial idiots and Bolsheviks.

phill4paul
11-21-2018, 06:30 AM
They should be praised. They probably payed more for .gov firefighters than the poor and they had enough left over to hire their own thus freeing up .gov firefighters to fight fires elsewhere. Sounds like good citizenship to me.

Ender
11-21-2018, 10:32 AM
They should be praised. They probably payed more for .gov firefighters than the poor and they had enough left over to hire their own thus freeing up .gov firefighters to fight fires elsewhere. Sounds like good citizenship to me.

Exactly- plus they saved a lot of the neighborhood.

My grandpa was a volunteer firefighter in a thick forest area in N Cal years ago, and they kept everything under control & safe for the local communities. Every time .gov takes control things go to shit.

Anti Federalist
11-21-2018, 10:46 AM
They should be praised. They probably payed more for .gov firefighters than the poor and they had enough left over to hire their own thus freeing up .gov firefighters to fight fires elsewhere. Sounds like good citizenship to me.

Exactly.

The home is valued at $60 million, so even at a modest property tax rate of ten percent they paid $6 million in property taxes for firemen that they didn't even use.

So, upon further research, I see that Hidden Hills CA where the home is located, assuming a tax valuation of 60 million, would be liable for a $475,800 yearly tax bill.

Philhelm
11-21-2018, 11:06 AM
The idiots don't realize that the private firefighters wouldn't be added to the government forces if the rich didn't hire them, there would simply be less firefighters and the fires would be worse.

Fewer firefighters.

Danke
11-21-2018, 11:09 AM
Fewer firefighters.

Private ones are better, so there would remain less firefighters.

Grandmastersexsay
11-21-2018, 11:10 AM
Exactly.

The home is valued at $60 million, so even at a modest property tax rate of ten percent they paid $6 million in property taxes for firemen that they didn't even use.

Where in the world are you from that you think a 10% property tax is modest? Property tax is closer to 1%.

Anti Federalist
11-21-2018, 11:24 AM
Where in the world are you from that you think a 10% property tax is modest? Property tax is closer to 1%.

I pulled those numbers out of thin air based on some extreme property tax rates in NJ, figuring that CA would be about the same.

So, upon further research, I see that Hidden Hills CA where the home is located, assuming a tax valuation of 60 million, would be liable for a $475,800 yearly tax bill.

Still buys an awful lot of firemen that he didn't use.

CCTelander
11-21-2018, 11:47 AM
Why? Because outrage is all the rage these days. This is as good a thing to be outraged over as any.

Occam's Banana
11-21-2018, 11:55 AM
The idiots don't realize that the private firefighters wouldn't be added to the government forces if the rich didn't hire them, there would simply be less firefighters and the fires would be worse.

Or they do realize it and - envy-addled lust for "equality" über alles - they simply do not care ...

Swordsmyth
11-28-2018, 06:11 PM
After Califonia’s run-in with major wildfires and the deadliest one to date recently ravaging Paradise, many in the hardest hit areas are hiring private firms to protect their homes. But it’s upsetting the state-funded firefighters.
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/car-fires-extremists-e1534264812279.jpg
With California experiencing two years of unprecedented wildfires that have left more than 20,000 homes destroyed and scores dead (http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/camp-fire-rages-on-more-than-125000-acres-and-42-deaths-in-6-days_11132018), the private firefighting business is booming. These brigades work independently from county firefighters; their job is to protect specific homes under contract with insurance companies, according to The Los Angeles Times (https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-private-firefighters-20181127-story.html).
Private fire crews’ work can vary from pushing back flames as they approach properties to getting to the site before the blaze arrives and spraying the homes covered under their policy with fire retardant. But the firefighters who rely on state funds are not too happy that the free market is making a huge difference and saving homes from the blazes.

Kim Kardashian went on Instagram to thank firefighters for saving her Hidden Hills estate and told Ellen DeGeneres in an interview that she hired a private crew to protect her property.
“Our house is right on the end of a big park, so the whole park had caught fire and so if our house went, then every other house would go,” she said. “I don’t take that for granted, and that was such a blessing that we were able to do that.” –The Los Angeles Times (https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-private-firefighters-20181127-story.html)
The taxpayer-funded state firefighters are not happy that the private market is doing a good job. “From the standpoint of first responders, they are not viewed as assets to be deployed. They’re viewed as a responsibility,” complained Carroll Wills, communications director for California Professional Firefighters, a labor union representing “rank-and-file” firefighters in the state.
Private firefighting crews often work on behalf of insurance companies, such as Chubb (https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/27/california-private-firefighters/)and USAA, so they have a vested interest in saving people’s homes. They also have proven that they can provide an additional layer of protection for homeowners who opt into the service as part of their insurance policies. The insurance policies range in cost from several thousand to tens of thousands of dollars annually, depending on the homes’ insured value and other factors, such as location. Private companies are also effective. During a wildfire, the private crews might not visit every home insured under the program but will base their location decisions on where the flames are advancing and which homes have a high likelihood of being destroyed without their assistance, reported the Los Angeles Times. (https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-private-firefighters-20181127-story.html)
What began more than a decade ago as a white-glove service for homeowners in well-to-do neighborhoods has expanded in recent years as the wildfire danger has increased, said Michael Barry, a spokesman for the Insurance Information Institute, a not-for-profit organization that educates the public about the insurance industry.
But not all state firefighters think the free market is a bad thing. (https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/27/california-private-firefighters/) “It’s clear, unfortunately, that just when I don’t think it can get any worse in terms of structures destroyed, it seems to get a lot worse,” California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection assistant chief Chris Anthony told the Los Angeles Times (https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-private-firefighters-20181127-story.html). “If these insurance companies are trying to mitigate risk and liability, the trends are pretty clear the numbers are going to rise as fires get worse. From an economic standpoint, it makes total sense what they’re trying to accomplish.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-28/firefighters-complain-after-californians-hire-private-crews-protect-their-homes

euphemia
11-28-2018, 06:25 PM
What this points out is that it is wrong to put faith in government to do anything well.

Not taking anything away from the dear folks who risked their lives fighting the fire. Not enough of them and not enough resources to do what is necessary to fight fires in California in normal years. This was an extraordinary year.

Anti Federalist
11-28-2018, 09:30 PM
Let's keep in mind that it was insurance companies that started the first fire departments in the US.

When you paid fire insurance you displayed a placard like this to show you were covered and the paid responders would, well, respond.

http://inpublicsafety.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2012/07/fire-insurance-placard.Stelter.jpg

TheTexan
11-28-2018, 09:42 PM
assuming a tax valuation of 60 million, would be liable for a $475,800 yearly tax bill.

Seems reasonable.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
11-28-2018, 10:19 PM
The bolsheviks are secretly mad that Kanye skipped over colored girls for whitey.

enhanced_deficit
11-28-2018, 10:34 PM
It may have something to do with K & K ties with MAGA, reaction may have been different if it was some anti-Trump hollywood celeb.
Kanye has been called "Uncle Tom" and other names by some liberals.


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https://peopledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/tump-ivanka-kanye.jpg