'Proud Boys' [Almost] Labeled "Extremist Group" By FBI

[Swordsmyth]

The "Proud Boys", a self-described "Western chauvinist" group founded by Vice Media co-creator Gavin McInnes, has officially been labeled by the FBI as an "extremist group with ties to White Nationalism". News of the classification (which had previously not been made public) was broken by the Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/19/proud-boys-fbi-classification-extremist-group-white-nationalism-report), which reported that disciplinary action taken against a female sheriffs deputy in Clark County, Washington led to the designation.
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/2018.11.20mcinnes.JPG
In a warning issued to police departments in Washington state, the FBI described the Proud Boys as "contributing to the escalation in street violence" at political rallies and noted that they are "actively recruiting" in the area. The report was first issued two months ago.

"The FBI has warned local law enforcement agencies that the Proud Boys are actively recruiting in the Pacific north-west," and: "Proud Boys members have contributed to the recent escalation of violence at political rallies held on college campuses, and in cities like Charlottesville, Virginia, Portland, Oregon, and Seattle, Washington."
Of course, this isn't the first time that a conservative or "alt-right" group like the Proud Boys has been lumped in with overtly racist, white supremacist or otherwise extremist groups. The Proud Boys have repeatedly insisted that they condemn bigotry in all of its forms (though their embrace of traditional gender roles has led to them also being labeled "misogynist".) However, the involvement of the FBI represents a troubling escalation. In recent years, organizations like the ACLU and SPLC have started lumping in socially and politically conservative groups like the Family Research Council with overtly racist groups, effectively opening the door to the criminalization of conservative groups. Meanwhile, groups like Antifa, which regularly participates in street violence and vandalism, have evaded this classification, despite warnings from the Department of Homeland Security. (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-01/fbi-dhs-study-reveals-antifa-primary-instigators-violence-public-rallies-april-2016)


More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-20/proud-boys-labeled-extremist-group-fbi

[TheCount]

Womp womp

[Swordsmyth]

Hooray for leftist tyranny!
Fixed it.

[Anti Federalist]

Womp womp

So you think it's a joke that political organizations get "labeled" for special observation by law enforcement?

Did you think it was funny when they did that to Ron Paul?

[Swordsmyth]

So you think it's a joke that political organizations get "labeled" for special observation by law enforcement?

Did you think it was funny when they did that to Ron Paul?
I'm sure he did.

[Grandmastersexsay]

I just remembered this video. Proud Boys are definitely one of the most ethnically diverse white power/pride groups I can think of.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-7-K4-ryBSE

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-7-K4-ryBSE

How in the world do I embed a youtube link?

[Danke]

Womp womp



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAAJXxudqLQ

[Danke]

I just remembered this video. Proud Boys are definitely one of the most ethnically diverse white power/pride groups I can think of.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-7-K4-ryBSE

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-7-K4-ryBSE

How in the world do I embed a youtube link?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7-K4-ryBSE&app=desktop

[Anti Federalist]

I just remembered this video. Proud Boys are definitely one of the most ethnically diverse white power/pride groups I can think of.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-7-K4-ryBSE

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-7-K4-ryBSE

How in the world do I embed a youtube link?

[video ]Your Link Here - with no spaces in the brackets[ /video]

[Danke]

[video ]Your Link Here - with no spaces in the brackets[ /video]

nah, he was on a mobile device, needs to change settings to desktop.

[Pauls' Revere]

So you think it's a joke that political organizations get "labeled" for special observation by law enforcement?

Did you think it was funny when they did that to Ron Paul?

Your referring to the MIAC reports?
https://mic.com/articles/12827/when-ron-paul-supporters-are-listed-as-terrorists-and-the-social-security-administration-is-buying-up-loads-of-ammo-you-know-you-live-in-a-police-state#.6lyQuQCOJ

DHS-funded START published a report citing Americans "everent of individual liberty" as extreme right-wing terrorists. DHS has also pointed out Ron Paul supporters as potential terrorists in the 2009 MIAC report. [sic]

[Anti Federalist]

Your referring to the MIAC reports?
https://mic.com/articles/12827/when-ron-paul-supporters-are-listed-as-terrorists-and-the-social-security-administration-is-buying-up-loads-of-ammo-you-know-you-live-in-a-police-state#.6lyQuQCOJ

Yes, these.

[Pauls' Revere]

Yes, these.

Yeah, when I found that out I really felt like a stranger in a strange land.

Makes me wonder now, how many in this group will feel the same?

[TheCount]

So you think it's a joke that political organizations get "labeled" for special observation by law enforcement?

Oh, there's a joke here somewhere alright:

https://i2.wp.com/proudboysusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Screenshot_20180203-140905.png?resize=1200%2C1726

[Swordsmyth]

Oh, there's a joke here somewhere alright:

https://i2.wp.com/proudboysusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Screenshot_20180203-140905.png?resize=1200%2C1726
The only joke is that if you aren't a rabid leftist nothing you do will prevent you from being targeted.

[Anti Federalist]

Oh, there's a joke here somewhere alright:

https://i2.wp.com/proudboysusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Screenshot_20180203-140905.png?resize=1200%2C1726

I agree, ridiculous short sightedness.

That has nothing to do with what I asked you.

[enhanced_deficit]

Why now...they have been around for a while and active in various pre-election rallies, what prompted this labeling now few days after midterms?
Did MAGA order this on request of Pelosi after recent MAGA-Pelosi bipartisanship alliance (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528483-Trump-%91I-Like-Nancy-Pelosi%92-and-Will-Help-Her-Win-Race-for-Speaker&) between the two?


Far-right Proud Boys Among Mob Confronting Nancy Pelosi, Drawing Republican Condemnation
10/21/18
https://www.newsweek.com/far-right-proud-boys-among-mob-confronting-nancy-pelosi-drawing-republican-1180106


Or recent MAGA clamp down against Far Right/Alt-Right anti-semitism following reports of anti-semitic views of PA synagogue shooting suspect (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?527815-Pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-thread&p=6699252&viewfull=1#post6699252) resulted in this label ?


Vice Co-founder Lists the '10 Things He Hates the Most About Jews'

After a visit to Israel, Gavin McInnes released a video called '10 Things I hate About Israelis,' but ended up listing his hatred of Jews instead.
The Forward and Daniel J. Solomon
Mar 18, 2017
Following a visit to Israel, Vice co-founder Gavin McInnes launched into a rant against Jewish people and the Jewish state, in a post inventively titled “10 Things I Hate About Jews.”
According to McInnes, who has left Vice a decade ago, Hebrew is “spit talk” and “whole language is clearing your throat, it’s like Gaza, they’re launching little tiny missiles from your mouth onto your shirt.” Israelis, he said, have a “whiny paranoid fear of Nazis that’s making them scared of Christians and Trumps who are their greatest allies.”



Or something else prompted this label at this juncture?


"Follow the money" & "follow the timing" generally leads to simplification of matters.





Related

Trump calls for unity, asks politicians to stop calling their opponents morally defective (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?527817-Trump-calls-for-unity-asks-politicians-to-stop-calling-their-opponents-morally-defective&)

[Brian4Liberty]

We should not rush to judgement until the SPLC chimes in. Then we will know definitively.

[pcosmar]

Yeah, when I found that out I really felt like a stranger in a strange land.

Makes me wonder now, how many in this group will feel the same?

I have grown to take the Title of "Domestic Terrorist" as a badge of Honor.

and the response is still on my Flickr page.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3436/3378748321_3516dc7de0_o.jpg

[TheCount]

I agree, ridiculous short sightedness.

That has nothing to do with what I asked you.

I find it funny when statists are hoist on their own petard. That's as deep as it goes.

[Anti Federalist]

I find it funny when statists are hoist on their own petard. That's as deep as it goes.

Uh huh...well, just remember, that net is a wide sweep and small mesh one.

For every copsucking outfit like "Proud Boys" caught up in it, it will catch a Ron Paul Institute.

[TheCount]

Uh huh...well, just remember, that net is a wide sweep and small mesh one.

For every copsucking outfit like "Proud Boys" caught up in it, it will catch a Ron Paul Institute.

Yeah, sure. Or, maybe if it catches enough "alt-right" groups, the appeal of the state will wear off, they'll stop copsucking so hard, and they'll consider pursuing small-government conservatism instead of right-populist statism.


But no, this will be spun as 'liberal influence' within and upon police organizations, rather than a natural consequence of the sort of policies that they themselves advocate.

[Swordsmyth]

There is no lie more dangerous than believing America is a free country (https://vdare.com/articles/this-isn-t-a-free-country-the-heritage-foundation-and-the-fate-of-jason-richwine). Those who act as if it is swiftly learn otherwise, as Gavin McInnes (https://vdare.com/writers/gavin-mcinnes) and the Proud Boys (https://vdare.com/search?q=Proud+Boys)can testify. And it’s increasingly hard to take pundits and journalists’ condemnations of “authoritarianism” seriously when Americans are already living under an authoritarian system - albeit one more Kafkaesque (https://vdare.com/articles/2011-campus-hate-crime-hoax-season-about-to-begin) and absurd than anything existing in Russia (https://vdare.com/articles/patrick-j-buchanan-is-putin-s-russia-an-evil-empire) or China (https://vdare.com/radio-derb/radio-derb-trump-russia-hysteria-spookworld-and-what-china-wants-etc).
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/addtext_com_MjIwMzAxMzM1NDY.png
Accompanied by the cheers of journalists, McInnes recently declared he is disassociating from the Proud Boys under legal pressure, apparently to help those members currently caught up in legal proceedings for the “crime (https://vdare.com/posts/portland-antifa-video-shows-what-james-fields-may-have-been-facing-in-charlottesville)” of defending themselves from antifa. (https://vdare.com/articles/conservatism-inc-cheers-on-persecution-of-proud-boys-and-dissident-right) [Gavin McInnes, Proud Boys founder, claims complete disassociation from far-right group (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/23/gavin-mcinnes-proud-boys-founder-claims-complete-d/), by Andrew Blake, Washington Times, November 23, 2018] It’s worth noting that despite McInnes’s repeated condemnations (https://flagpole.com/news/democracy-in-crisis/2017/10/25/the-proud-boys-and-the-litigious-alt-lite) of the Alt Right, even the “conservative” Washington Timeslabels (https://vdare.com/posts/incoming-smear-from-vice-enforcer-tess-owen)the Proud Boys a “far right” group, showing the same kind of conformist mentality the paper displayed when it fired columnist Sam Francis (https://vdare.com/articles/the-continuing-relevance-of-sam-francis-a-friend-remembers) back in 1995. Milo Yiannopoulos (https://vdare.com/posts/trump-trump-trump-donald-trump-as-anti-pc-rallying-cry) similarly disassociated from the Proud Boys, citing legal advice and blaming journalists for “defaming the group to death” and promoting “moral panic about a ‘white supremacy’ outbreak that simply doesn’t exist.” Yiannopoulos also slammed politicians like Gov. Andrew Cuomo for lynching the Proud Boys on behalf of Antifa, “the beloved violent terrorists (https://vdare.com/posts/old-regime-s-supporters-unleash-violence-against-constitutionally-elected-new-government) of the establishment Left”.
To be sure, many VDARE.com readers will find these disassociations far too defensive, particularly the frequent boasts about the numbers of non-whites and homosexuals in the group. The type of journalists who write articles like Why Young Men of Color Are Joining White-Supremacist Groups (https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-young-men-of-color-are-joining-white-supremacist-groups) The Daily Beast,September 4, 2018] aren’t going to pay attention anyway. As American civic nationalism is magically transformed into “white nationalism” by the Main Stream Media, even a multiracial fraternity that leans right is transformed by journalists into grim-faced monochromatic storm troopers, all protests and photographic evidence notwithstanding.
Of course, given that the Left is now mutating into a loose confederation of tribes united only by their hatred of American whites, it’s unclear why white people protecting their own interest is considered uniquely evil. [The White Nationalist Manifesto (https://www.amren.com/commentary/2018/11/the-white-nationalist-manifesto/), by Gregory Hood, American Renaissance, November 15, 2018]
Yet even those who might quibble with the Proud Boys or Milo Yiannopoulos for ideological reasons should be troubled by what is happening. This is from the same playbook as the federal prosecution of the Rise Above Movement, which prosecutors themselves essentially admitted was launched at the behest of Antifa journalists. [FBI arrests white ‘serial rioters,’ (https://www.amren.com/commentary/2018/10/fbi-arrests-white-serial-rioters/) by Gregory Hood, American Renaissance, October 8, 2018] The united efforts of the MSM and law enforcement to target dissident groups is a dangerous indication that the “rule of law” so often invoked by the Beltway Right has become as irrelevant to American government as the Constitution.
Contrast the hysteria over the Proud Boys to the latest attacks by Antifa. According to the police, Marine Reservists were attacked by a group in Philadelphia accusing them of being “Nazis” and “white supremacists” . [Marines were attacked, robbed near “We the People” rally in Philly (https://www.phillymag.com/news/2018/11/20/marines-attacked-we-the-people-rally/), by Victor Fiorillo, Philadelphia Magazine, November 20, 2018] The attack took place after a conservative “We The People” rally in Philadelphia that was protested by Antifa. The organizer of said rally was also doxed by antifa and reportedly had his home vandalized. [We The People Rally Organizer’s Home Vandalized After Antifa Doxxed Him (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/we-the-people-rally-organizers-home-vandalized-after-antifa-doxxed-him/), by Tom Pappert, Big League Politics, November 20, 2018]
Needless to say, if the attackers are indeed part of a local antifa network, there will be no full court press against them by local or national media. After all, many of these journalists serve as propogandists for these attackers and their comrades. And, despite their constant invocations of “our troops,” Conservatism Inc. outlets and Republican politicians are also indifferent. After all, Antifa serve a useful role for the Beltway Right, making sure that the grassroots sticks to the script and never makes the connection between the mostly white conservative base and the policies that would serve its interests.
All this is taking place when the MSM finally seems to be noticing the kind of system that is being created in China. Yale Professor Nicholas Christakis recently condemned the “Social Credit” system emerging there, in which the government links certain privileges (such as travel rights) to behavior, such as violating traffic laws [Beijing to judge every resident based on behavior by end of 2020 (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-21/beijing-to-judge-every-resident-based-on-behavior-by-end-of-2020), Bloomberg, November 21, 2018]

So dystopian and authoritarian as to defy belief: China will judge each of its 1.3 billion people based on their social behavior & adopt a lifelong points program that assigns personalized ratings by 2021. Via ⁦@business (https://twitter.com/business?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)⁩ ⁦@clayroutledge (https://twitter.com/clayroutledge?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)⁩ https://t.co/GwArUtwOk0
— Nicholas A. Christakis (@NAChristakis) November 23, 2018 (https://twitter.com/NAChristakis/status/1066023438563844096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) Yet Professor Christakis himself suffered career consequences in 2015 after his wife questioned whether minority students at Yale were overreacting to Halloween costumes (https://vdare.com/posts/day-10-yale-s-halloween-costume-crisis-escalates). He ultimately had to step down from his role as master of one of Yale’s residential colleges [The Perils of writing a provocative email at Yale (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/the-peril-of-writing-a-provocative-email-at-yale/484418/), by Conor Friedersdorf, The Atlantic, May 26, 2016]. Even the title “master” was abolished (https://vdare.com/articles/right-wingers-are-the-real-pc-the-left-s-lying-claim-about-conservative-safe-spaces).
Yet Professor Christakis, probably to protect whatever status he had left, quickly conformed to the proper Narrative and began declaring (https://vdare.com/posts/nyt-s-mini-sulzberger-objects-to-being-called-an-enemy-of-the-people-but-the-nyt-has-been-an-enemy-of-the-people-for-years) that “the most serious threat to free expression in our society today is coming from the right” and making maudlin tributes to “our free and open society.”
Yet what “free and open society?” We are already well past the point where laws are enforced in anything close to an objective way. America is now witnessing the rise of an ideological system that ruthlessly enforces a certain narrative throughout all of society. Dissenters are punished economically, socially, and sometimes physically. It functions very much like China’s “Social Credit” system, with dissenters denied access to online platforms, fundraising services, and even banking services.
Even worse is climate of never ending media hysteria. Consider how strange it is that MSM publications regularly feature family members denouncing each other for various forms of thoughtcrime. [Nation of Little Swine (https://www.amren.com/commentary/2018/08/nation-of-little-swine/), by Gregory Hood, American Renaissance, August 21, 2018] This includes pieces from self-described libertarians. [Let’s go spelunking through years of my cousin’s crazy right-wing emails (https://theweek.com/articles/792594/lets-spelunking-through-years-cousins-crazy-rightwing-emails), by Bonnie Kristian, The Week, November 22, 2018]
Consider that a flyer or a leaflet placed by a politically incorrect correct group inspires more outrage (https://vdare.com/posts/msm-freakout-over-it-s-ok-to-be-white-in-the-diaper-aisle-in-target)and fear than an actual crime.
Consider how strange it is that “fake hate crimes (https://vdare.com/latest-posts?page=1&tag=hate-hoaxes)” are so prevalent and that entirely new identities are created because people are so desperate to identify (https://vdare.com/articles/sure-laugh-at-rachel-dolezal-but-laugh-also-at-the-claim-there-s-no-black-privilege-in-obama-s-america) as part of an ostensibly oppressed class.
Most importantly, consider how journalists, working in partnership with technology companies and self-appointed “watchdog” groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center, regularly police dissident outlets and urge deplatforming and financial sanctions for unapproved opinions. “Democracy” becomes meaningless if media outlets and social networking only allow one narrative to be expressed.
John Robb of Global Guerrillas refers to the emerging world as the “Long Night.”

This danger is an all-encompassing online orthodoxy. A sameness of thought and approach enforced by hundreds of millions of socially internetworked adherents. A global orthodoxy that ruthless narrows public thought down to a single, barren, ideological framework. A ruling network that prevents dissent and locks us into stagnation and inevitable failure as it runs afoul of reality and human nature.
[The Long Night Ahead (https://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2017/09/the-long-night-ahead.html), September 22, 2017]
The system in China is not so terribly different from that being created in America, except American-style persecution is largely conducted through quasi-private corporate entities rather than the government. What’s more, it’s countries like China or Russia (https://vdare.com/articles/vladimir-avdeyev-and-the-russian-revival-of-racial-science) likely have more free speech than America or Western Europe to discuss issues that actually matter, like human bio-diversity, while the post-West descends into Cultural Marxist hysteria over trivialities like offensive Halloween costumes.
The American Conservative Movement could have stopped much of this, at least when the Republican party controlled both chambers of Congress. Unfortunately, Conservatism Inc. is less a political movement than a glorified corporate lobbying enterprise. (Note that Google was a “Presenting Sponsor (http://cpac.conservative.org/cpac-2018-sponsors/)” of the 2018 Conservative Political Action Conference.”) Regulating tech companies to ensure free speech, enforcing laws objectively (including against antifa), and pushing back against MSM smear campaigns is evidently beyond the capabilities of the Beltway Right—and thus far at least, the Trump Administration.
The Historic American Nation is under occupation (https://vdare.com/articles/treason-to-what-i-m-with-the-russians-they-hate-us-less-than-the-media-does). The major question facing patriots in the coming years is not how to “Make America Great Again,” but how to survive, build communities, and reclaim some semblance of free speech and freedom of association under a hostile system.
The patriotic movement needs to adjust to this reality and start defending the rights and interests of its base. Otherwise, [B]the Proud Boys will not be the last victims of Cultural Marxist Totalitarianism - and even the most “respectable” conservative will not be spared when his turn arrives.


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-26/proud-boys-and-americas-looming-long-night-political-repression

[Wooden Indian]

I have followed them fairly closely over the last 6-10 months and I can tell you why they're "pro-cop".

While ANTIFA rages in the streets, throwing bottles and spitting at cops, Proud Boys would catch all the hell for simply BEING... So they quickly and strategically became publicly VERY respectful and supportive of the police.

They were hoping to show a sharp contrast between the violent and hypocritical left, tried to conduct themselves in a way that "middle America" could stand with, and thusly be blameless before the watchful eyes of mainstream media.

Of course we know that didn't save them, but it was a well-intentioned and respectable effort to rise above the childishness of ANTIFA, just the same.

[pcosmar]

I have followed them fairly closely over the last 6-10 months and I can tell you why they're "pro-cop".

While ANTIFA rages in the streets, throwing bottles and spitting at cops, Proud Boys would catch all the hell for simply BEING... So they quickly and strategically became publicly VERY respectful and supportive of the police.

They were hoping to show a sharp contrast between the violent and hypocritical left, tried to conduct themselves in a way that "middle America" could stand with, and thusly be blameless before the watchful eyes of mainstream media.

Of course we know that didn't save them, but it was a well-intentioned and respectable effort to rise above the childishness of ANTIFA, just the same.

Fusion Center..

Fusion of Police State, Govt Intel,and Street actors (ANTIFA, SKINHEAD, MLB gangs etc.
The Fusion Center allows the police to uses these groups strategically,, to herd the sheep and to leverage for more funding and power.

[Wooden Indian]

Fusion Center..

Fusion of Police State, Govt Intel,and Street actors (ANTIFA, SKINHEAD, MLB gangs etc.
The Fusion Center allows the police to uses these groups strategically,, to herd the sheep and to leverage for more funding and power.

Yup. Between the media, silicon Valley, Hollywood, politicans, and shit like this....
we're effed.

[Swordsmyth]

Speaking to members of the press Tuesday, FBI Special Agent in Charge Renn Cannon said that the federal agency had not intended to designate the Proud Boys as an extremist organization (https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/1070042248341934080), contrary to reports indicating otherwise. He maintained that the FBI simply wanted Clark County law enforcement to be aware of potential violence from individual members of the group.
Reports had surfaced indicating that the FBI had assigned the “extremist” label to the Proud Boys after a New York City run-in with Antifa (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/new-york-antifa-yells-kill-more-nazis-outside-gavin-mcinnes-event-attack-proud-boys/). The Proud Boys had become a target for violent organizations of the fanatic left, and the founder of the organization (and de facto leader), Gavin McInnes, resigned his ties with the organization after it had supposedly been labeled “extremist.”
Now we find out that the FBI apparently never characterized the organization with that term, despite a slew of media reports seeking to tar the Proud Boys with an association to political extremism.

More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/fbi-special-agent-proud-boys-not-designated-as-extremist-group/