Pentagon to begin drawdown of troops at border

[TheCount]

The Pentagon is planning to begin a drawdown of troops at the southern border as soon as this week, the Army commander overseeing the mission told Politico on Monday (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/19/troops-us-mexico-border-come-home-1005510).

Army Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Buchanan told the news outlet that the 5,800 active-duty troops sent to assist Customs and Border Protection at the U.S.-Mexico border should be home by Christmas.

"Our end date right now is 15 December, and I've got no indications from anybody that we'll go beyond that," said Buchanan, who is overseeing the mission from Texas.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/417503-pentagon-to-begin-drawdown-of-troops-at-border-report

Election over; mission complete.

[oyarde]

Christmas leave coming up .

[spudea]

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/417503-pentagon-to-begin-drawdown-of-troops-at-border-report

Election over; mission complete.

I don't understand, you were expecting it to be permanent? They were tasked with hardening the border to allow border patrol to deploy their personnel more effectively, and they have done so. The caravan is at the border and December 15th is a month away. Enough time to see how peaceful these migrants really are after being turned away and denied asylum.

https://i.redd.it/02k0u0n3fdz11.jpg

[TheCount]

I don't understand, you were expecting it to be permanent?

No, I was expecting it to be a boondoggle and lo, it was.


They were tasked with hardening the border to allow border patrol to deploy their personnel more effectively, and they have done so. The caravan is at the border and December 15th is a month away.

The border has been there a long time. The caravans have been arriving for a long time.

Apparently, 45 days of temporary military attention and a hundred million dollars or so was all it took to 'fix' the border? And... Trump waited to do it in election season of his midterm because...?

[Swordsmyth]

No, I was expecting it to be a boondoggle and lo, it was.
Hardly




The border has been there a long time. The caravans have been arriving for a long time.

Apparently, 45 days of temporary military attention and a hundred million dollars or so was all it took to 'fix' the border? And... Trump waited to do it in election season of his midterm because...?
Because that is when it became clear that the caravans were getting larger and more frequent.



They won't all be leaving either:

President Donald Trump is likely to give U.S. troops authority to protect immigration agents stationed along the U.S. border with Mexico if they come under threat from migrants seeking to cross into the United States, a U.S. official said on Monday.Ahead of U.S. congressional elections earlier this month, Trump denounced the approach of a caravan of migrants as an "invasion" that threatened American national security, and he sent thousands of U.S. troops to the border to help secure it.
Currently, the troops do not have authority to protect U.S. Customs and Border Patrol personnel. The new authority could be announced on Tuesday, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-lik...020449502.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-likely-u-troops-authority-protect-immigration-agents-020449502.html)

[Zippyjuan]

I don't understand, you were expecting it to be permanent? They were tasked with hardening the border to allow border patrol to deploy their personnel more effectively, and they have done so. The caravan is at the border and December 15th is a month away. Enough time to see how peaceful these migrants really are after being turned away and denied asylum.

https://i.redd.it/02k0u0n3fdz11.jpg

20 miles of barbed wire on a 2000 mile border.

[TheCount]

Hardly

Oh, good point. Well argued.




Because that is when it became clear that the caravans were getting larger and more frequent.

That's a fascinating report that you've cited. I found it to be a very interesting read.



They won't all be leaving either:

President Donald Trump is likely to give U.S. troops authority to protect immigration agents stationed along the U.S. border with Mexico if they come under threat from migrants seeking to cross into the United States, a U.S. official said on Monday.Ahead of U.S. congressional elections earlier this month, Trump denounced the approach of a caravan of migrants as an "invasion" that threatened American national security, and he sent thousands of U.S. troops to the border to help secure it.
Currently, the troops do not have authority to protect U.S. Customs and Border Patrol personnel. The new authority could be announced on Tuesday, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-lik...020449502.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-likely-u-troops-authority-protect-immigration-agents-020449502.html)

Where in there does it says that they won't be leaving? I wasn't able to find it.

[Zippyjuan]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/judge-bars-us-enforcing-trump-asylum-ban-59309545


US judge stalls enforcement of Trump asylum restrictions

A judge has ordered the U.S. government not to enforce a ban on asylum for people who cross the southern border illegally, another court setback for the Trump administration's efforts to impose new immigration restrictions without congressional approval.

U.S. District Judge Jon Tigar agreed Monday with legal groups that immediately sued after President Donald Trump issued a Nov. 9 proclamation saying anyone who crossed the southern border between official ports of entry would be ineligible for asylum. The administration argued that caravans of migrants approaching the southern border made the new restrictions immediately necessary.

"Whatever the scope of the President's authority, he may not rewrite the immigration laws to impose a condition that Congress has expressly forbidden," said Tigar, a nominee of former President Barack Obama.

Trump stopped family separations at the border earlier this year after a global outcry, but it was a federal judge who ruled the administration had to reunify the families. Another judge rejected the administration's request to try to detain migrant families in long-term facilities.

Monday's ruling remains in effect for one month, barring an appeal.

More at link.

[Swordsmyth]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/judge-bars-us-enforcing-trump-asylum-ban-59309545



More at link.

It will be overturned.

[Zippyjuan]

It will be overturned.

Not if the judge follows the law.


Tigar's ruling notes that federal law says someone may seek asylum if they have arrived in the United States, "whether or not at a designated port of arrival."

(same link as above)

[Swordsmyth]

Not if the judge follows the law.



(same link as above)




The published rule by the DOJ is a pretty big smackdown on what the law says.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/doj-and-dhs-issue-new-asylum-rule

Section 212(f) of the Immigration and INA states that “[w]henever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”

[Zippyjuan]

Section 212(f) of the Immigration and INA states that “[w]henever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”

Thank you for the link. Now they have to prove it is a national threat detrimental to the interests of the United States.

[Swordsmyth]

Thank you for the link. Now they have to prove it is a national threat detrimental to the interests of the United States.
That's easy.

[Zippyjuan]

That's easy.

Seems language was changed from "entry" to "admission" though. If they entered illegally by not using an official checkpoint, they were not "admitted" and thus not subject to that clause.


Understanding the Term “Entry”
Section 212(f) gives the President the authority to suspend or place conditions on the entry of any alien or class of aliens.

Section 212(f) was codified in 1952. However, the term “entry” is no longer employed in the INA.4 With the passage of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (IIRIRA), the definition of entry was stricken from the INA and replaced with the concept and definition of “admission.”5 The concept of entry had been pertinent when the INA statutory scheme distinguished between “exclusion” and “deportation,” as it did in 1952, and it was at issue in most of the cases discussed in the previous section. The current statutory scheme, however, is designed to distinguish between those who have been admitted into the United States and everyone else.

Under the current statutory scheme, section 101(a)(13) of the INA defines “admission” and “admitted” as “with respect to an alien, the lawful entry of the alien into the United States after inspection and authorization by an immigration officer.” Persons who enter without inspection are treated as applicants for admission under section 235(a)(1). Under section 101(a)(13)(C), lawful permanent residents (LPRs) are generally not considered to be seeking admission upon return to the United States. (To learn more about when an LPR is considered to be seeking admission, please see our full article [see article] as well as our article about the abandonment of LPR status [see article].)



http://myattorneyusa.com/scope-and-history-of-section-212f-presidential-authority-to-suspendrestrict-entry-by-proclamation

[Swordsmyth]

Seems language was changed from "entry" to "admission" though. If they entered illegally by not using an official checkpoint, they were not "admitted" and thus not subject to that clause.



http://myattorneyusa.com/scope-and-history-of-section-212f-presidential-authority-to-suspendrestrict-entry-by-proclamation

Persons who enter without inspection are treated as applicants for admission under section 235(a)(1).