Mass shooting at Borderline Bar and Grill in Thousand Oaks

[phill4paul]

THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. (KABC) -- A mass shooting at a Thousand Oaks nightclub left 13 people dead, including a Ventura County sheriff's sergeant and the gunman, authorities said Thursday morning.

Venutra County sheriff's Sgt. Eric Buschow, as well as Sheriff Geoff Dean, said the suspect was killed inside the venue. They did not want to count him among the 12 victims.

The shooting happened around 11:20 p.m. Wednesday at Borderline Bar & Grill at 99 Rolling Oaks Dr. Ventura County sheriff's officials said there were reports of shots fired at the club.

uthorities said hundreds of people were inside the bar when the gunfire rang out. In an interview, Buschow came close to tears and said he knows the wounded deputy.

"It's been a rough night for all of us," he said.

During a press briefing, Dean identified the sergeant as Ron Helus, a 29-year veteran of the department who considered retiring within the next year. At points he choked up, but said that Helus died a hero.

"Ron was a hardworking, dedicated sheriff's sergeant. He was totally committed. He gave his all and tonight, as I told his wife, he died a hero because he went in to save lives, to save other people," he said.

Dean also said in his 41 years in law enforcement, he'd never experienced a mass shooting.

"I never thought I would see the things around the country that would happen, but I've learned it doesn't matter what community you're in, it doesn't matter how safe your community is, it can happen anywhere," he said.
Witness John Hedge, of Moorpark, said he saw a suspect throwing smoke bombs into the front of the restaurant. He also said he saw a security guard get shot.

"I was at the front door and I was talking to my stepdad. I just started hearing these big pops. Pop, pop, pop. There was probably three or four, I hit the ground. I look up - the security guard is dead. Well, I don't want to say he was dead, but he was shot.

"He was down. The gunman was throwing smoke grenades all over the place. I saw him point to the back of the cash register...and he just kept firing. I ran out the front door," he said.

Hodge added that there may have been about 12 shots by the time he got out of the door.

He said the gunman had a beard, wore a hat, had a black jacket and may have had glasses.

"I thought it was a joke when the shots started firing. I know people there. I hope everybody's OK. I don't know how I didn't get shot," the man said.


Tim, Hodge's stepfather, who was in tears, said he was next to the entrance about to leave after playing pool when smoke came into the room.

"He fired the first shot. I knew it was live. I knew it was real. My son thought it was a joke so I pulled him down and got some cover. I looked up and he was moving to the right. He shot the front doorman, who was just a young man. Then he shot the cashier, just a young girl.

"Then he started moving to the right. He wasn't looking at us. Then he went into the office, where all the cash and stuff is. He didn't say anything at all. He just started shooting," he said.

https://abc7.com/mass-shooting-reported-at-nightclub-in-thousand-oaks/4644573/

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

Dean also said in his 41 years in law enforcement, he'd never experienced a mass shooting.

"I never thought I would see the things around the country that would happen, but I've learned it doesn't matter what community you're in, it doesn't matter how safe your community is, it can happen anywhere," he said.


That's a weird fk'n thing to say at a time like that. . .

[acptulsa]

These people exist in Oklahoma. They never, however, last long enough to have a dozen victims.

'...it can happen anywhere"? Sort of.

[Bern]

This sounds like it was a planned robbery that also happened to be very violent.

[enhanced_deficit]

From Drudge:

WAR VET SLAUGHTERS 12 AT SOCAL BAR
'COLLEGE COUNTRY NIGHT' https://www.drudgereport.com/i/logo9.gif


[59 Dead] "Active Shooter" at Las Vegas Country Music Concert (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?515501-59-Dead-quot-Active-Shooter-quot-in-Las-Vegas-fully-automatic-rifle-fire-at-least-2-rifles-heard&)
10-02-2017



Strange coincidence that last major shooting in LV and this one both involve "country music" venues.

[oyarde]

This sounds like it was a planned robbery that also happened to be very violent.

Yes , sounds like a planned robbery where the intent was to off the cashier , security guard and leave .

[donnay]

If I were a betting woman I would bet he was being treated for PTSD and on a cocktail of psychotropic drugs.

[acptulsa]

If I were a betting woman I would be he was being treated for PTSD and on a cocktail of psychotropic drugs.

So long as Big Pharma buys billions of dollars' worth of ads on the MSM, we'll never know.

But I wouldn't take that bet in any case.

[Anti Federalist]

Earlier, a law enforcement official said that authorities had identified the gunman. The official said the 29-year-old man deployed a smoke device and used a .45-caliber handgun Long was a veteran previously in the U.S. Marine Corps (https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2018/11/08/reports-david-ian-long-29-named-as-thousand-oaks-shooting-suspect/)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5IWK9sRYTs

[Danke]

Yes , sounds like a planned robbery where the intent was to off the cashier , security guard and leave .

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrfX_MqWwAAZw2b.jpg

[kahless]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5IWK9sRYTs

This movie was the first thing I thought when I saw the picture on the bottom, then scrolled up to see you posted it. (tail end of the video)

https://media0.giphy.com/media/VfSBuJqXIA2Mo/200w.gif?cid=3640f6095be458ed6863685473d1dbe6

[oyarde]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrfX_MqWwAAZw2b.jpg

You think it was the country music ?

[dannno]

Ya that is a little bit of an odd place for a country/western bar so close to the coast.. but they get good turnout because they are so close to the very high population Los Angeles "valley", as well as a freeway that goes up north toward some more rural areas I suppose. I have been there before to see Adam Carolla perform his comedy show, but they are usually advertising country and line dancing stuff.

[CaptUSA]

So long as Big Pharma buys billions of dollars' worth of ads on the MSM, we'll never know.

Yeah, that's the sick little circle of death they have there.

Killer goes on a rampage>Media exploits the tragedy for ratings>Big Pharma uses the increased ratings to push more drugs>people with problems see those ads and buy more drugs>they ignore the warnings about suicidal and homicidal thoughts>one of those people picks up a weapon and goes on a rampage>Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

[acptulsa]

Yeah, that's the sick little circle of death they have there.

Killer goes on a rampage>Media exploits the tragedy for ratings>Big Pharma uses the increased ratings to push more drugs>people with problems see those ads and buy more drugs>they ignore the warnings about suicidal and homicidal thoughts>one of those people picks up a weapon and goes on a rampage>Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

With calls for public disarmament during each cycle--as if a person psyched out on Big Pharma candy couldn't use a knife, or a car, or...

[CCTelander]

With calls for public disarmament during each cycle--as if a person psyched out on Big Pharma candy couldn't use a knife, or a car, or...


No worries this time, my friend. I've been assured by a good many people right here on RPF that Trump is serious about protecting our Right to Keep and Bear Arms, so we'll be fine. They've assured me of the this on numerous occasions. :sarcasm:

[phill4paul]

Oh, great, now comes the calls for war vets to undergo psyche before purchasing guns.

[kahless]

Democrats renew push for gun control, assault weapons ban
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/democrats-renew-push-for-gun-control-assault-weapons-ban

Just hours after the killings by a lone gunman in a California bar, Democrats began lining up to demand more gun control, an issue that fell off the map during the midterm congressional elections despite the shootings in a Pittsburgh synagogue.

“We need to do something about this. And I’m glad that we have a Democratic majority in the House,” said Democratic Party Chairman Tom Perez.

That did not take long.

[donnay]

Flashback under Obama:


New documents obtained by The Daily Caller reveal that ATF, a division of the Department of Justice, is working with the FBI and the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) to enter veterans who get VA benefits into the government’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

TheDC first reported on a government program in which the VA sends veterans’ medical information to the FBI to disarm them. VA uses sneaky criteria to get veterans on the list for “persons prohibited under federal law from receiving or possessing firearms.”
https://dailycaller.com/2015/07/21/atf-works-with-fbi-and-va-to-get-veterans-guns-taken-away/

[Ender]

Democrats renew push for gun control, assault weapons ban
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/democrats-renew-push-for-gun-control-assault-weapons-ban


That did not take long.

Ya think? :smirking:

[Anti Federalist]

“We need to do something about this. And I’m glad that we have a Democratic majority in the House,” said Democratic Party Chairman Tom Perez

Here's where the rubber meets the road.

Does Trump crimp and fold and sign new gun controls?

Or veto?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[pcosmar]

If I were a betting woman I would bet he was being treated for PTSD and on a cocktail of psychotropic drugs.

I would suspect so.

And his handler thought a bar full of Cops would be a good target.

[AuH20]

I thought guns didn't exist in California. How did this happen?

[shakey1]

Here's where the rubber meets the road.

Does Trump crimp and fold and sign new gun controls?

Or veto?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Indeed.

[dannno]

"Local authorities said it had contact with Long over the years. He was the victim of a battery at a local Thousand Oaks bar"

Which one? Borderline or another one?

[Brian4Liberty]

If I were a betting woman I would bet he was being treated for PTSD and on a cocktail of psychotropic drugs.

PTSD and mental problems confirmed. Another murder/suicide situation. They prescribe those meds like candy, so odds are...


Investigators knocked on doors of surrounding residents to find out what they may know about Long. One neighbor who knew Long said he was a veteran who suffered from PTSD. She said, "I don't know what he was doing with a gun."

Others said Long lived at the home with his mother. Richard Berge, a friend and neighbor Long's mother, said Long's mother was worried about her son.

"He wouldn't get help," Berge said.

Dean said Long was in the United States Marine Corps. The USMC released Long's service record, detailing that he served from 2008 to 2013, deploying to Afghanistan from Nov. 16, 2010 to June 14, 2011. His ranking was a corporal as a machine gunner, the the USMC said.

Long had several interactions with the sheriff's department over the years, Dean said. These incidents include a traffic collision, a traffic citation as well as an instance in which Long was a victim of battery at a local bar in 2015.

Dean also described an incident In April, when deputies were called to his Newbury Park home regarding a disturbance.

"He was somewhat irate, acting a little irrationally. They called out our crisis intervention team, our mental health specialist," Dean said.
...
https://abc7.com/thousand-oaks-shooting-suspect-what-we-know/4645948/

[dannno]

I thought guns didn't exist in California. How did this happen?

"Police say he used a legally owned .45 calibre Glock semi-automatic handgun, which had an extended magazine that is illegal in the state of California."

[AuH20]

"Police say he used a legally owned .45 calibre Glock semi-automatic handgun, which had an extended magazine that is illegal in the state of California."

He broke the law? Who does he think he is?

[Brian4Liberty]

"Police say he used a legally owned .45 calibre Glock semi-automatic handgun, which had an extended magazine that is illegal in the state of California."

If only he didn’t have that extended magazine, then he would have to use two magazines...

Just wait till Governor Newsome takes office. Among other bans and restrictions, they will probably limit people to having only 5 bullets at a time. That will stop this from happening. (And it will help with the wait time at the range.)

[spudea]

Why is this national news? Why is the president expected to comment on local crimes? The media use these incidents as a weapon to ignite the culture wars and political wars over our minds.

[acptulsa]

Why is this national news? Why is the president expected to comment on local crimes? The media use these incidents as a weapon to ignite the culture wars and political wars over our minds.

Want to shut them up? Turn it into a referendum on the empire's wars and the resultant epidemic of PTSD.

Do a good enough job and they'll either shut up about it, or shut you up.

[Swordsmyth]

Democrats renew push for gun control, assault weapons ban
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/democrats-renew-push-for-gun-control-assault-weapons-ban


That did not take long.

Isn't it just great having them in control of the House?

Gridlock for the win!

:sarcasm:

[Swordsmyth]

Here's where the rubber meets the road.

Does Trump crimp and fold and sign new gun controls?

Or veto?

Inquiring minds want to know.
Hopefully the Senate will block it so that we never find out.

[pcosmar]

PTSD and mental problems confirmed. Another murder/suicide situation. They prescribe those meds like candy, so odds are...

And looking at the stories,, There were several off duty police officers present..

So perhaps he targeted a Pig Wallow,, for personal reasons. or perhaps he was provoked.


I don't judge... I observe.

[acptulsa]

Isn't it just great having them in control of the House?

Gridlock for the win!

:sarcasm:

Are they in control of the House? Is it January already?

Where does it go next? The Senate, and then to Trump's desk, right? If it gets that far, guess who's responsible?

Need another lesson in Civics 101?

[Swordsmyth]

Are they in control of the House? Is it January already?
You think it won't come up after the lame duck session?


Where does it go next? The Senate, and then to Trump's desk, right? If it gets that far, guess who's responsible?
Anybody involved but the left holding the House makes it more likely that dangerous garbage might pass.


Need another lesson in Civics 101?
That would be you.

[Anti Globalist]

Whats this I hear that some of the people at the nightclub were also in vegas during that mass shooting last year?

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

conversation I heard at supermarket tonight. . .

" oh my god, Jenny... Don LemonHead was like, so right. . ."

" o my god.... I know, right ? He just said that like, what ? a week ago ? .. . and look !!! "


" ALmost like he knew it was gonna happen "

[Ender]

Whats this I hear that some of the people at the nightclub were also in vegas during that mass shooting last year?

What? Gotta link?

[charrob]

Whats this I hear that some of the people at the nightclub were also in vegas during that mass shooting last year?

Yes, i read the same thing; apparently they were Country Music fans.

I don't think he was on any prescribed drugs because his mom said she wanted him to get help and he refused. Also when the cops came in April they had a mental evaluation person evaluate him and apparently they felt he was not mentally ill. Most mentally ill people are not violent nor are they a threat to others. But there are a lot of people who are not mentally ill that are just angry, hate-filled people for who knows why. I think this is where this guy fits in.

I also don't buy that a lot of U.S. veterans have PTSD: over 95% of the U.S. military never sees a day of combat. Most of what they do is "train" the biggest lunatics they can find in other countries to kill their own countrymen and start civil wars so U.S. defense companies can make endless profits and the Israeli and Saudi lobbies will continue to stuff money into the pockets of corrupt politicians. They also find ruthless dictators around the world and have our military "train" their juntas (who also terrorize their own countrymen as well as innocents in other countries). All around I think it's absolutely disgusting what our military does overseas.

When young people grow up continually seeing that the supposed "heroes" in this country are the ones who perpetrate and cause the most violence both here (ie. cops) and around the world (ie. the U.S. military), those who are disgruntled for whatever reason are going to use violence to try to solve their problems. It's a sick culture that continually cherishes the worst elements of our society.

[Influenza]

What? Gotta link?

It's just that old wholly unsubstantiated "crisis actor" fake news that retards keep pushing

[Swordsmyth]

What? Gotta link?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/california-shooting-country-fans-inside-13554551

[devil21]

It's just that old wholly unsubstantiated "crisis actor" fake news that retards keep pushing

Not sure if serious? But I particularly liked the interview with the smiling girl that somehow was on the outside patio when shooting started and was thrown under a table then suddenly was inside and then got thrown out a window too.




conversation I heard at supermarket tonight. . .

" oh my god, Jenny... Don LemonHead was like, so right. . ."

" o my god.... I know, right ? He just said that like, what ? a week ago ? .. . and look !!! "


" ALmost like he knew it was gonna happen "

Idiots can't put two and two together. Fluoride is a hell of a drug.

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

fluoride

emotional appeal

repetition

[Firestarter]

You can see in the following video that Susan Orfanos is really, really heartbroken that her son Telemachus Orfanos survived the Route 91 Harvest Festival shooting, but in this event was killed...

Susan Orfanos told ABC 7:
My son was in Las Vegas with a lot of his friends and he came home.
He didn't come home last night, and I don't want prayers. I don't want thoughts. I want gun control, and I hope to God nobody else sends me any more prayers.
I want gun control. No more guns.

https://youtu.be/fiDIXa26A4M

[Swordsmyth]

The shooter who opened fire on a nightclub in Thousand Oaks, California Thursday, killing 12 and himself, posted anti-gun rhetoric on his Facebook account.
“I hope people call me insane… (laughing emojis).. wouldn’t that just be a big ball of irony? Yeah.. I’m insane, but the only thing you people do after these shootings is ‘hopes and prayers’.. or ‘keep you in my thoughts’… every time… and wonder why these keep happening…” wrote Ian Long in a post, according to Fox8. (https://fox8.com/2018/11/09/i-hope-people-call-me-insane-authorities-identify-facebook-post-believed-to-have-been-made-by-california-shooter/?fbclid=IwAR2leiEQyMCXLZVqOXMFi3tIJIfZLKUMpudRZWmn qu-3V0V-LCMEiG8D1w8)


More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/alleged-california-shooter-wrote-anti-gun-anti-religious-facebook-posts/

[osan]

It is obvious that we need more gun control legislation.

Enough is enough... Turn them in. All of them.

[dannno]

The shooter who opened fire on a nightclub in Thousand Oaks, California Thursday, killing 12 and himself, posted anti-gun rhetoric on his Facebook account.
“I hope people call me insane… (laughing emojis).. wouldn’t that just be a big ball of irony? Yeah.. I’m insane, but the only thing you people do after these shootings is ‘hopes and prayers’.. or ‘keep you in my thoughts’… every time… and wonder why these keep happening…” wrote Ian Long in a post, according to Fox8. (https://fox8.com/2018/11/09/i-hope-people-call-me-insane-authorities-identify-facebook-post-believed-to-have-been-made-by-california-shooter/?fbclid=IwAR2leiEQyMCXLZVqOXMFi3tIJIfZLKUMpudRZWmn qu-3V0V-LCMEiG8D1w8)


More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/alleged-california-shooter-wrote-anti-gun-anti-religious-facebook-posts/


Gee, sounds familiar..



Susan Orfanos told ABC 7:

https://youtu.be/fiDIXa26A4M

[Brian4Liberty]

The shooter who opened fire on a nightclub in Thousand Oaks, California Thursday, killing 12 and himself, posted anti-gun rhetoric on his Facebook account.
“I hope people call me insane… (laughing emojis).. wouldn’t that just be a big ball of irony? Yeah.. I’m insane, but the only thing you people do after these shootings is ‘hopes and prayers’.. or ‘keep you in my thoughts’… every time… and wonder why these keep happening…” wrote Ian Long in a post, according to Fox8. (https://fox8.com/2018/11/09/i-hope-people-call-me-insane-authorities-identify-facebook-post-believed-to-have-been-made-by-california-shooter/?fbclid=IwAR2leiEQyMCXLZVqOXMFi3tIJIfZLKUMpudRZWmn qu-3V0V-LCMEiG8D1w8)


More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/alleged-california-shooter-wrote-anti-gun-anti-religious-facebook-posts/

So he has some kind of issue and rant about shootings, and because of that, he goes out and murders a bunch of people. Sorry douchebag, you are by definition insane at that point.

[Brian4Liberty]

You can see in the following video that Susan Orfanos is really, really heartbroken that her son Telemachus Orfanos survived the Route 91 Harvest Festival shooting, but in this event was killed...

Susan Orfanos told ABC 7:

https://youtu.be/fiDIXa26A4M


No problem. No thoughts or prayers for you. And no guns, definitely no guns for you either.

[devil21]

You can see in the following video that Susan Orfanos is really, really heartbroken that her son Telemachus Orfanos survived the Route 91 Harvest Festival shooting, but in this event was killed...

Susan Orfanos told ABC 7:

https://youtu.be/fiDIXa26A4M

I knew I recognized that voice. Isn't she the same actress from the Orlando Pulse club event? You be the judge. The voice is SPOT ON and the message is the same. The look is similar but not 100% sure.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiBxr94XINg

Can we please do something about the assault weapons??

[dannno]

I knew I recognized that voice. Isn't she the same actress from the Orlando Pulse club event? You be the judge. The voice is SPOT ON and the message is the same. The look is similar but not 100% sure.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiBxr94XINg

Can we please do something about the assault weapons??

Wow, if you don't look at them and just go back and forth it's almost impossible to distinguish the voice.. they both have an under-bite and crooked teeth in the same spot on the lower left (her right).. and the first one looks like she has a lot of make-up on and about 10-20 lbs lighter.. different hair-dos.

And they are both rabidly pro gun-control..

Could be a lead, good catch!!

[r3volution 3.0]

Why is this national news? Why is the president expected to comment on local crimes? The media use these incidents as a weapon to ignite the culture wars and political wars over our minds.

That's right.

Now, the next time there's a local crime committed by an illegal immigrant, apply the same logic.

[Swordsmyth]

That's right.

Now, the next time there's a local crime committed by an illegal immigrant, apply the same logic.
Yes, the individual crimes are local stories, it is the number of them committed nationally that is a national story.

[Danke]

I knew I recognized that voice. Isn't she the same actress from the Orlando Pulse club event? You be the judge. The voice is SPOT ON and the message is the same. The look is similar but not 100% sure.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiBxr94XINg



Can we please do something about the assault weapons??

He asked her for her "son's" full name...he hesitates then only gives his first and last name...

It's Christopher Andrew Leinonen

[RicoCabeza]

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I thought that I was ‘awake’ , and then I woke up.

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[lilymc]

But I particularly liked the interview with the smiling girl that somehow was on the outside patio when shooting started and was thrown under a table then suddenly was inside and then got thrown out a window too.

This one, right? It’s actually embarrassing.


https://youtu.be/mv1s5ZM3bX8

[Firestarter]

I knew I recognized that voice. Isn't she the same actress from the Orlando Pulse club event? You be the judge. The voice is SPOT ON and the message is the same. The look is similar but not 100% sure. Maybe they were coached by the same acting agency? They are not the same woman...

What are the odds of being involved in one mass shooting in the US, let alone 2?!?

What are the odds that 50-60 survivors of the Las Vegas shooting were also at the Borderline Bar on Wednesday: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6367867/Father-fears-son-12-dead-California-bar-mass-shooting.html

[asurfaholic]

Yes, the individual crimes are local stories, it is the number of them committed nationally that is a national story.

Vast majority of crimes are committed by Americans.

Some of you people disgust me with this talk. Mexicans in general are respectful and respectable. Shouldn’t WE, yes all of us, be wary of generalizations and stereotyping? Can’t we defeat the whole immigration issue by fighting against the welfare system that attracts people to come and leech? It’s not just immigrants, it’s lazy Americans too. The system is broken.

Instead all I’m getting is “the brown people are coming” and “build that wall.”

* not directed at any one person in particular and not even directed to RPF alone other than this would be the place I’d think would be better than that.

* edit said Mexicans, but most people are not criminal by nature.

[Aratus]

Whats this I hear that some of the people at the nightclub were also in vegas during that mass shooting last year?

The bouncer the gunman killed had survived the Vegas C&W concert massacre...

[Firestarter]

The following contains the only clip I’ve found of the scene inside the Borderline bar.
There are also some really, really emotional witnesses...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzYc1J9uDA4

[devil21]

Maybe they were coached by the same acting agency? They are not the same woman...

Not convinced. If not the same woman, a close relative maybe? The voice and messaging similarity is eerie.



What are the odds of being involved in one mass shooting in the US, let alone 2?!?

What are the odds that 50-60 survivors of the Las Vegas shooting were also at the Borderline Bar on Wednesday: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6367867/Father-fears-son-12-dead-California-bar-mass-shooting.html

Borderline. Hmm, something about a borderline in the news lately. And possible shooting at a borderline. A bit of predictive programming perhaps.

[spudea]

That's right.

Now, the next time there's a local crime committed by an illegal immigrant, apply the same logic.

same logic for same scenarios is fine. but you don't apply the same logic to scenarios that are categorically different. Foreign nationals coming here to commit crime is something the Federal government is responsible for under National defense. "I believe in a strong national defense" - Ron Paul.

[pcosmar]

The bouncer the gunman killed had survived the Vegas C&W concert massacre...

Cleaning up loose ends?

[charrob]

Yes, i read the same thing; apparently they were Country Music fans.

I don't think he was on any prescribed drugs because his mom said she wanted him to get help and he refused. Also when the cops came in April they had a mental evaluation person evaluate him and apparently they felt he was not mentally ill. Most mentally ill people are not violent nor are they a threat to others. But there are a lot of people who are not mentally ill that are just angry, hate-filled people for who knows why. I think this is where this guy fits in.

I also don't buy that a lot of U.S. veterans have PTSD: over 95% of the U.S. military never sees a day of combat. Most of what they do is "train" the biggest lunatics they can find in other countries to kill their own countrymen and start civil wars so U.S. defense companies can make endless profits and the Israeli and Saudi lobbies will continue to stuff money into the pockets of corrupt politicians. They also find ruthless dictators around the world and have our military "train" their juntas (who also terrorize their own countrymen as well as innocents in other countries). All around I think it's absolutely disgusting what our military does overseas.

When young people grow up continually seeing that the supposed "heroes" in this country are the ones who perpetrate and cause the most violence both here (ie. cops) and around the world (ie. the U.S. military), those who are disgruntled for whatever reason are going to use violence to try to solve their problems. It's a sick culture that continually cherishes the worst elements of our society.


It appears this guy was an angry jerk his whole life; as suspected, PTSD has nothing to do with it:



[...] Several people who knew Long a decade ago as a high-schooler in the suburb of Thousand Oaks said in interviews that he made them uncomfortable, sometimes through aggressive behavior.

[...] Julie Hanson, who lives next door to the Longs’ ranch-style home, described him as “odd” and “disrespectful” well before he left home a decade ago, got married and enlisted in the Marines. She could often hear him yelling and cursing, [...].

Long made others feel uncomfortable going back to his teens.

Dominique Colell, who coached girls’ track and field at the high school where Long was a sprinter, remembers an angry young man who could be verbally and physically combative.

In one instance, Colell said Long used his fingers to mimic shooting her in the back of the head as she talked to another athlete. In another, he grabbed her rear and midsection after she refused to return a cellphone he said was his.

“I literally feared for myself around him,” Colell said in an interview. “He was the only athlete that I was scared of.”

Colell said she wanted to kick Long off the team but the boy’s coach urged her to reconsider because that could compromise his goal of joining the Marines.

https://apnews.com/5133931a9d734dfcb38d44feec1ec9b6

[Swordsmyth]

Vast majority of crimes are committed by Americans.

Some of you people disgust me with this talk. Mexicans in general are respectful and respectable. Shouldn’t WE, yes all of us, be wary of generalizations and stereotyping? Can’t we defeat the whole immigration issue by fighting against the welfare system that attracts people to come and leech? It’s not just immigrants, it’s lazy Americans too. The system is broken.

Instead all I’m getting is “the brown people are coming” and “build that wall.”

* not directed at any one person in particular and not even directed to RPF alone other than this would be the place I’d think would be better than that.

* edit said Mexicans, but most people are not criminal by nature.
A disproportionate number of crimes are committed by ILLEGAL aliens who shouldn't have even been here to commit the crimes, American citizens have a right to be here so we can't do anything about their crimes until they are committed and LEGAL immigrants actually commit less crimes overall.

I remain agnostic about the wall but we need vastly increased patrols on the border and we need to deport as many illegal aliens as reasonably possible.

The political demographics reasons to limit legal immigration apply doubly to ILLEGAL immigrants because they are even worse in that way than legal immigrants.

[Swordsmyth]

same logic for same scenarios is fine. but you don't apply the same logic to scenarios that are categorically different. Foreign nationals coming here to commit crime is something the Federal government is responsible for under National defense. "I believe in a strong national defense" - Ron Paul.

+Rep

[r3volution 3.0]

same logic for same scenarios is fine. but you don't apply the same logic to scenarios that are categorically different. Foreign nationals coming here to commit crime is something the Federal government is responsible for under National defense. "I believe in a strong national defense" - Ron Paul.

"Look at this anecdote about someone murdering people with guns! Ban guns!"

"Look at this anecdote about an immigrant murdering people! Ban immigrants!"

Same flawed logic

[dannno]

..
God is just punishing the libs for flipping the house.

It's also really close to the Borderline Bar

https://i.imgur.com/SBjIfu2.jpg

[dannno]

I guess with the fire, this is largely out of the news cycle?


At the only gun shop in Thousand Oaks, fearful residents decide it's time to buy a gun

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/11/09/thousand-oaks-following-ian-long-shooting-borderline-bar-and-grill-fearful-residents-buy-guns/1947476002/




'Fact is I had no reason to do it': Thousand Oaks gunman posted to Instagram during massacre


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/11/10/thousand-oaks-shooting-gunman-posted-instagram-during-bar-massacre/1958013002/

(https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/11/10/thousand-oaks-shooting-gunman-posted-instagram-during-bar-massacre/1958013002/)


Ventura County fire blazes hours after Thousand Oaks bar shooting

'I just wonder what's next': Thousand Oaks residents deal with mass shooting, horrific fire



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/11/09/ventura-hill-woolsey-fire-california-thousand-oaks-shooting/1949030002/

[dannno]

bump

[Firestarter]

The actor and gun owner Ashton Kutcher has spoken out about the need for stricter gun laws.
To make his argument appear stronger, Kutcher has told the world that his wife, Mila Kunis, threw him a birthday party earlier this year at the Borderline Bar. Where and when Kutcher was gifted a gun in the parking lot.

Maybe suspicious or at the very least strange?
Ashton Kutcher is really, really reliable as he is a good friend of Joshua Kushner, brother of Jared: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2018/11/09/ashton-kutcher-had-birthday-thousand-oaks-shooting-bar-borderline-mila-kunis/1942562002/


In addition to calling for forced psychiatric treatment and gun control in a series of tweets, Kutcher called on the sister-in-law of his friend Joshua Kushner, Ivanka (Donald’s daughter) to take action:
@IvankaTrump your brother in law was at that birthday party. He could have just as easily been a victim. You go to synagogues you could be a victim! Talk to your dad! Plead with your dad! Let this be your legacy! Gun Reform now! https://twitter.com/aplusk/status/1060717319825969152

[Bern]

The actor and gun owner Ashton Kutcher has spoken out ...

Dude, where's my gun control?

[specsaregood]

The actor and gun owner Ashton Kutcher has spoken out about the need for stricter gun laws.
To make his argument appear stronger, Kutcher has told the world that his wife, Mila Kunis, threw him a birthday party earlier this year at the Borderline Bar. Where and when Kutcher was gifted a gun in the parking lot.

Maybe suspicious or at the very least strange?
Ashton Kutcher is really, really reliable as he is a good friend of Joshua Kushner, brother of Jared: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2018/11/09/ashton-kutcher-had-birthday-thousand-oaks-shooting-bar-borderline-mila-kunis/1942562002/


In addition to calling for forced psychiatric treatment and gun control in a series of tweets, Kutcher called on the sister-in-law of his friend Joshua Kushner, Ivanka (Donald’s daughter) to take action: https://twitter.com/aplusk/status/1060717319825969152

Is there a reason that you left out the part, that what Kutcher claimed in his tweet was illegal by current gun laws? And if actually happened, makes gun ownership illegal and makes him ineligible from ever owning a gun legally in CA? and is a felony for the gifter as well?

[PursuePeace]

You can see in the following video that Susan Orfanos is really, really heartbroken that her son Telemachus Orfanos survived the Route 91 Harvest Festival shooting, but in this event was killed...

Susan Orfanos told ABC 7:

https://youtu.be/fiDIXa26A4M

She hopes to God..
no-one else sends her any more prayers?

The Father:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMOO31qwPkw

??

[CCTelander]

The actor and gun owner Ashton Kutcher has spoken out about the need for stricter gun laws.


Michael Kelso favors stricter gun control laws. 'Nuff said.

[specsaregood]

Michael Kelso favors stricter gun control laws. 'Nuff said.

He also publicly admitted to committing a felony. *dumbass*

1060755615075700736

[Danke]

The Father:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMOO31qwPkw

??

His father seems really broken up about losing his son, they must have been close...

[Firestarter]

Is there a reason that you left out the part, that what Kutcher claimed in his tweet was illegal by current gun laws? And if actually happened, makes gun ownership illegal and makes him ineligible from ever owning a gun legally in CA? and is a felony for the gifter as well? Are you insinuating that I've intentionally left something out?!?
I thought that this information was worthwile enough to post. I thought that the Kushner link was more interesting.

In all honesty I can say that I didn't know that gifting somebody a gun in a parking lot is illegal in the US...
But I'm not surprised it is.

[devil21]

Are you insinuating that I've intentionally left something out?!?
I thought that this information was worthwile enough to post. I thought that the Kushner link was more interesting.

In all honesty I can say that I didn't know that gifting somebody a gun in a parking lot is illegal in the US...
But I'm not surprised it is.

Legality of a private transfer of a firearm depends on where. It's illegal under California statute, I guess. It's legal in other parts of the country like South Carolina. That is the mythical "gunshow loophole". It's nothing more than selling or gifting a gun to someone without the Fed's approval. Retail gun sellers are required to conduct background checks. Private sellers/gifters are not.

[Firestarter]

Legality of a private transfer of a firearm depends on where. It's illegal under California statute, I guess. I think that Ashton Kutcher, the close friend of multimillionaire brother-in-law of Ivanka Trump Joshua Kushner, is terrified that the cops will get him.
I guess he thought that his best defence against being locked up for this offence, is telling the world about it!



It's legal in other parts of the country like South Carolina. That is the mythical "gunshow loophole". It's nothing more than selling or gifting a gun to someone without the Fed's approval. Retail gun sellers are required to conduct background checks. Private sellers/gifters are not. In 1998, I spoke to a man in Oregon, who explained (or tried to explain) that the "right to bear arms" is in the US constitution so that (theoretically) Americans could do something if their government violates all of their rights.
He also told me that his huge gun collection was simply an investment as they keep their value better than our money that keeps inflating (which of course helps money laundering).

[dannno]

You can see in the following video that Susan Orfanos is really, really heartbroken that her son Telemachus Orfanos survived the Route 91 Harvest Festival shooting, but in this event was killed...

Susan Orfanos told ABC 7:

https://youtu.be/fiDIXa26A4M


I knew I recognized that voice. Isn't she the same actress from the Orlando Pulse club event? You be the judge. The voice is SPOT ON and the message is the same. The look is similar but not 100% sure.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiBxr94XINg

Can we please do something about the assault weapons??

https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/45820441_313868609443570_4501661875565494272_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=d63f6285e7ad69b49447b5308c17e9a8&oe=5C740395

[Brian4Liberty]

Whoops. Wonder how many of the other victims were hit by friendly fire?

So basically the Deputy was wearing a bullet proof vest, which protected his vital organs from the shooter’s .45 handgun. But the Highway Patrol officer had a rifle (probably .223) which pierced the vest (and destroyed the heart) with a center chest shot.



Friendly Fire Killed Sheriff's Sergeant At Thousand Oaks, Calif., Shooting Scene
Ian Stewart - December 7, 2018

When Ventura County Sheriff's Sgt. Ron Helus and a California Highway Patrol officer responded to a shooting last month in Thousand Oaks, Calif., they faced a barrage of gunfire from a suspect.

But officials announced Friday that the sergeant's fatal wound was a result of a shot fired by his fellow law enforcement officer.
...
But it was a sixth bullet – one that entered Helus' chest and struck his heart – that proved fatal.

"Ultimately, this was the most severe injury sustained," Young said. That bullet was determined by FBI experts to have come from the CHP officer's rifle. Ventura County Sheriff Bill Ayub described the situation that night as chaotic and confusing.
...
https://www.npr.org/2018/12/07/674735191/friendly-fire-killed-sheriffs-sergeant-at-thousand-oaks-calif-shooting-scene

[Swordsmyth]

Whoops. Wonder how many of the other victims were hit by friendly fire?

So basically the Deputy was wearing a bullet proof vest, which protected his vital organs from the shooter’s .45 handgun. But the Highway Patrol officer had a rifle (probably .223) which pierced the vest (and destroyed the heart) with a center chest shot.
Was it really an accident?