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phill4paul
11-07-2018, 06:34 PM
Libertarian Republicans excelled in the midterm elections

On Tuesday night, Democrats took the House and Republicans kept the Senate. Expect to hear opinions and analysis of what this might mean for President Trump and the 2020 election in the weeks and months to come.

But how did the small but enduring libertarian faction within the Republican Party do?

This is a question that goes beyond the conventional pro- or anti-Trump dichotomy that will obviously dominate the headlines. I often like to say that libertarians generally take the best of what Right and Left have to offer and eschew the worst of each pole.

uesday night was a good example.

The most high-profile libertarian Republican in Congress, Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, was not up for re-election. The next-most high-profile libertarian Republicans in Congress, Reps. Justin Amash of Michigan and Thomas Massie of Kentucky, both won re-election by double-digits.

Amash, who represents a purple district, has been openly critical of Trump, and his independent streak appeared to pay off for him Tuesday. Massie represents a deep-red district, hasn’t hesitated to criticize the president, yet simultaneously has been more sympathetic. Massie predictably defeated his Democratic opponent in a blowout.

Republican novice Denver Riggleman won his race for Virginia’s 5th Congressional District. “Riggleman, a newcomer to politics, ran a positive campaign based on libertarian ideas,” reported National Review's Jibran Khan.

But Khan also noted what the libertarian-leaning Riggleman was not: “His victory, which came on the heels of Corey Stewart’s failed run for the Senate, should be a message for the Virginia GOP. Stewart’s strategy, built on appealing to white nationalists, is morally bankrupt and has proven a complete political failure.”

“In contrast, Denver Riggleman proves that sticking to a positive, free-market message and engaging with the constituents’ needs is the path forward for the state party’s success,” Khan said.

The soundly defeated Corey Stewart represented not only some of the worst aspects of today’s Right in his racist appeal, however intentional or unintentional those appeals were, but his competitive GOP primary opponent Virginia House member Nick Freitas was a libertarian Republican endorsed by Sens. Rand Paul and Mike Lee of Utah. Freitas was more competitive in the primary against Stewart than most expected.

Even if he wouldn’t have beaten Democrat Tim Kaine, it is easy to see the libertarian Freitas having significantly more appeal to a larger swath of voters than Stewart. Hopefully this is a lesson Virginia Republicans remember.

A similar message was sent in South Carolina’s 1st Congressional District, where Republican Katie Arrington was defeated by Democrat Joe Cunningham. Arrington defeated incumbent Rep. Mark Sanford in the Republican primary by touting her pro-Trump credentials and painting Sanford, who had been critical of the president, as anti-Trump.

South Carolina’s 1st is my hometown district, where a Democrat hadn’t won in 40 years. Most observers and certainly my neighbors back home would agree that Sanford would have likely held on to that seat for Republicans. Arrington’s defeat shows that there are limits to merely hanging your hat on Trump, even in red South Carolina. It goes without saying that the libertarian Sanford would have had far more appeal.

Another libertarian victory of sorts actually came from the Democratic side, where Colorado’s Jared Polis became the first openly gay governor. Polis is the sole Democratic member of the House Liberty Caucus founded by Justin Amash. Other than Polis, it is comprised entirely of conservative and libertarian Republicans. This is not to say that the new Democratic governor will always act along liberty lines, but the one Democrat arguably most sympathetic to libertarian ideas and issues got a big win Tuesday.

The biggest losses for libertarian Republicans were the defeat of Rep. Dave Brat in Virginia’s 7th District, and Eric Brakey, with a failed Senate challenge to Maine’s incumbent Angus King, an independent who overwhelming votes with Democrats. Brat, also a member of the House Liberty Caucus, made waves when he defeated House Majority Leader Eric Cantor in 2014 — and his loss Tuesday was razor-thin. Brakey, a popular two-term Maine state senator, is only 30 years old, a thorough libertarian Republican in the mold of Rand Paul, and hopefully this won’t be the last we hear from him.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/libertarian-republicans-excelled-in-the-midterm-elections?fbclid=IwAR3oM-v5pTYOnYPe3PpdGuMu1mvpfQRuIl1d_N7itS33gWCnHFtZ9BrD Gws

acptulsa
11-07-2018, 06:43 PM
And in the other thread we have Swordshyll telling us why libertarians can't get elected.

Swordsmyth
11-07-2018, 06:44 PM
And in the other thread we have Swordshyll telling us why libertarians can't get elected.
LOL

What nonsense.

acptulsa
11-07-2018, 06:51 PM
Oh?


Even I can see who damaged the movement just from my experiences here and a few old threads I have looked at, this place used to be even more diverse until the purists decided that even Rand wasn't good enough and did their best to drive away anyone who had a few different opinions on how to obtain and secure liberty or who wanted to take the best available option if perfection wasn't available.

Nominating any old Republican, or the one most closely aligned with Trump, or the one who threw old-line Republicans the most red meat didn't work so well. Nominating a libertarian Republican did.

Hell, nominating a libertarian candidate even worked for one local Democratic party.

Swordsmyth
11-07-2018, 06:54 PM
Oh?
Where does that say libertarians can't win?

Rand is libertarian and he knows how to work with others in order to get elected and get things done.

Ender
11-07-2018, 07:17 PM
Oh?



Nominating any old Republican, or the one most closely aligned with Trump, or the one who threw old-line Republicans the most red meat didn't work so well. Nominating a libertarian Republican did.

Hell, nominating a libertarian candidate even worked for one local Democratic party.

And it wasn't the "purists" (hate that name, BTW) who started railing on Rand & driving people away- it was the Trump supporters.

Thor
11-07-2018, 07:21 PM
Big L Libertarians can't get elected, as it has the Losertarian Party stigma. (yesterday for example: Gary Johnson, Larry Sharpe, Phinney in NH, etc.)

Small L libertarians that run under the R badge tend to do well. We need to forget the 47 year old go no where Libertarian Party and work on libertarian ideals inside the Republican party. It worked for Ron (except for the GOP fucking him in the Presidential elections), Rand, Justin and Thomas. If we want to see change, that is the only way. Otherwise we need to educate people and try and win at the same time. Doesn't work. Hasn't worked in 47 years. Waste of time and money and aspiration.

TheCount
11-07-2018, 07:24 PM
Big L Libertarians can't get elected, as it has the Losertarian Party stigma. (yesterday for example: Gary Johnson, Larry Sharpe, Phinney in NH, etc.)

It's not (just) the stigma, it's structural.

phill4paul
11-07-2018, 07:36 PM
Big L Libertarians can't get elected, as it has the Losertarian Party stigma. (yesterday for example: Gary Johnson, Larry Sharpe, Phinney in NH, etc.)

Small L libertarians that run under the R badge tend to do well. We need to forget the 47 year old go no where Libertarian Party and work on libertarian ideals inside the Republican party. It worked for Ron (except for the GOP fucking him in the Presidential elections), Rand, Justin and Thomas. If we want to see change, that is the only way. Otherwise we need to educate people and try and win at the same time. Doesn't work. Hasn't worked in 47 years. Waste of time and money and aspiration.

Yup.

oyarde
11-07-2018, 07:50 PM
Last I looked last night the Libertarian candidate for In Senate was over four percent . I consider that large because the turnout was to vote out Donnelly ( D) meaning nearly all votes were going to go to Braun ( GOP )

r3volution 3.0
11-07-2018, 08:17 PM
Amash, Massie, et al did win, but the libertarian-ish faction has no laurels to rest on just yet.

It was a big loss for Trump, but the Congressional GOP is still very Trumpy.

There's an opening, but someone will have to exploit it, vigorously.

...here's looking at you Rand.

It's now or never.

euphemia
11-07-2018, 08:53 PM
All the talk of red, blue, and purple makes me think it’s time libertarians appropriated a color.

acptulsa
11-07-2018, 08:59 PM
All the talk of red, blue, and purple makes me think it’s time libertarians appropriated a color.

The LP has one--gold.

specsaregood
11-07-2018, 09:09 PM
Where does that say libertarians can't win?

Rand is libertarian and he knows how to work with others in order to get elected and get things done.

Randal actively rejects the label of "libertarian". wisely.

dannno
11-07-2018, 09:10 PM
Randal actively rejects the label of "libertarian". wisely.

Meh, "labels"

Origanalist
11-07-2018, 09:11 PM
Randal actively rejects the label of "libertarian". wisely.

Do you have a suggestion for a new one? Or is plain old 'republican' ok with you"

specsaregood
11-07-2018, 09:28 PM
Do you have a suggestion for a new one? Or is plain old 'republican' ok with you"

I liked the old constitutional conservative label. But I don't really care.

Origanalist
11-07-2018, 09:39 PM
I liked the old constitutional conservative label. But I don't really care.

I do to, but it's been bastardized pretty heavily. And I don't really believe you don't care.

enhanced_deficit
11-07-2018, 09:43 PM
That is good news.

Hopefully it more than cancels out (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?526270-Lyin-Ted-could-lose&p=6704480&viewfull=1#post6704480) negative vibes from win of some notorious neocon Republicans yesterday.

acptulsa
11-07-2018, 09:46 PM
I do to, but it's been bastardized pretty heavily. And I don't really believe you don't care.

If we abandon every phrase the MSM bastardizes we'll have to either learn Chinese or stop speaking at all. They try to redefine everything as soon as they hear it.