Pittsburgh synagogue shooting thread

[devil21]

Since the first thread was posted with a provocative title and quickly devolved, here's a thread that hopefully can stay mostly on topic of the event and out of Hot Topics. Please post news and updates and opinions in this thread.
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I don't even know where to start with this. Instead, I'll just remind that there's nothing worse for the 2nd Amendment than a 'Republican' President. And in this case, probably the 1st Amendment as well.

[Anti Federalist]

For the opposition party looking to repeal the second, this is like Christmas.

The government media organs will shouting this from the rooftops, nonstop.

Assuming the opposition party takes the senate and house, as is now likely, I reckon that Trump will sign any gun control bills they send him.

But I've been spectacularly wrong about him before, so who the hell knows.

[Swordsmyth]

For the opposition party looking to repeal the second, this is like Christmas.

The government media organs will shouting this from the rooftops, nonstop.

Assuming the opposition party takes the senate and house, as is now likely, I reckon that Trump will sign any gun control bills they send him.

But I've been spectacularly wrong about him before, so who the hell knows.
The Demoncrats won't take the House and will lose seats in the Senate.

[enhanced_deficit]

For the opposition party looking to repeal the second, this is like Christmas.

The government media organs will shouting this from the rooftops, nonstop.

Assuming the opposition party takes the senate and house, as is now likely, I reckon that Trump will sign any gun control bills they send him.

But I've been spectacularly wrong about him before, so who the hell knows.


Heard Trump statement in news where he said somethig had to be done. he also called for death penalty. Not clear if he was calling for more gun control as he did (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?527483-Federal-court-rules-state-firearm-laws-invalid&p=6693922&viewfull=1#post6693922) in the past.


In another rally speech, he called for unity and harmony, spoke against bigotry and called on politicians to stop calling their opponents morally defective.

He speoke forcefully against political violence.

Topic of body slamming of journalists did not come up in that speech, but it did in another one few days earlier.

[PAF]

Earlier today I went to the area where the shooting took place. I was interviewed by Millie Weaver of InfoWars, CBS and another news affiliate. I am waiting to see if they publish the interviews on the internet.

I took the opportunity to explain why people should be armed, instead of waiting around for LE or rely on “security guards” which may be on the other end of a building.

I expressed my condolences but made it perfectly clear that people have a natural right to defend themselves and their loved ones from criminals who take advantage of people and areas who they know are not armed.

I also talked about the FEDS taking over local issues and how it is repugnant to a free society, and facilitates movement into a full police state.

Finally, I mentioned that trump should have taken this opportunity to endorse people arming themselves to protect their loved ones instead of calling for more “security”. I’m sure the “news” didn’t want to hear that so we’ll have to wait and see, otherwise I will upload the interviews to YouTube or somewhere.

[TheCount]

Sounds kind of familiar... Here he is complaining about refugees:

https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/upload_2018-10-27_18-23-4-png.577962/

[Anti Federalist]

Sounds kind of familiar... Here he is complaining about refugees:

https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/upload_2018-10-27_18-23-4-png.577962/

Oh really?

To whom?

[TheCount]

Oh really?

To whom?
To the rest of the white nationalists on Gab.

[Swordsmyth]

Sounds kind of familiar... Here he is complaining about refugees:

https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/upload_2018-10-27_18-23-4-png.577962/
Many people can be right about one thing and wrong about others.

[TheCount]

Many people can be right about one thing and wrong about others.
Don't worry, he was anti-trump.

(But only because Trump is too friendly with Jews.)

[enhanced_deficit]

Many people can be right about one thing and wrong about others.

Good point.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/27/us/cesar-altieri-sayoc-bomber.html

[devil21]

Earlier today I went to the area where the shooting took place. I was interviewed by Millie Weaver of InfoWars, CBS and another news affiliate. I am waiting to see if they publish the interviews on the internet.

I took the opportunity to explain why people should be armed, instead of waiting around for LE or rely on “security guards” which may be on the other end of a building.

I expressed my condolences but made it perfectly clear that people have a natural right to defend themselves and their loved ones from criminals who take advantage of people and areas who they know are not armed.

I also talked about the FEDS taking over local issues and how it is repugnant to a free society, and facilitates movement into a full police state.

Finally, I mentioned that trump should have taken this opportunity to endorse people arming themselves to protect their loved ones instead of calling for more “security”. I’m sure the “news” didn’t want to hear that so we’ll have to wait and see, otherwise I will upload the interviews to YouTube or somewhere.

If you were close enough to see anything, do you have any observations about the scene itself?

So far, the only video is just loops of cops hut-hutting around looking like they're still in Fallujah.

[Anti Federalist]

To the rest of the white nationalists on Gab.

Ah...Got it.

[thoughtomator]

The government media organs will shouting this from the rooftops, nonstop.

They did that with Blasey-Ford and failed.

The people are not listening to them anymore. It no longer matters what they do or say. Americans recognize them as the enemies they are now, and trust nothing.

[Danke]

Time to shutdown Twitter's competition:

"Bowers was an active user of Gab (https://gab.ai/), a Twitter alternative that promotes itself as supporting free speech.An account appearing to belong to Bowers — now deactivated — was littered with anti-Semitic messages. His bio on the site read “jews are the children of satan.”"



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[Swordsmyth]

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PayPal Bans Social Network Gab.com After Synagogue Attacker Revealed As User (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-27/paypal-bans-social-network-gabcom-after-synagogue-attacker-revealed-user)

[PAF]

If you were close enough to see anything, do you have any observations about the scene itself?

So far, the only video is just loops of cops hut-hutting around looking like they're still in Fallujah.

No, I arrived after the fact. Also, I don’t know what trump did or did not say while en route (no internet), when I gave the interview I was speaking to what I had heard prior to getting into the car. I got a little out of breath jogging over to where the news media was.

Here’s the interview:

https://twitter.com/kstevec/status/1056241051739013121?s=21

[Pauls' Revere]

So, what do we know about Robert Bowers?

Within an instant we knew Sayoc was Native American and a Trump supporter.

[thoughtomator]

So, what do we know about Robert Bowers?

Within an instant we knew Sayoc was Native American and a Trump supporter.

Nothing other than his age (46) and the existence of the Gab account (with little interaction with other users).

1k score on an yearlong active Gab account means reaching almost nobody. I have a Gab account about the same age that I use exclusively for sharing anime, with 25k points in about the same amount of time, and I wouldn't say the account is all that popular, I average less than 5 "points" (likes + retweets) per post.

[dannno]

Sounds kind of familiar... Here he is complaining about refugees:

https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/upload_2018-10-27_18-23-4-png.577962/

Triggered

[Pauls' Revere]

Triggered

What does "HIAS" mean? Pardon my ignorance?

[thoughtomator]

What does "HIAS" mean? Pardon my ignorance?

It's a Soros organization whose event last weekend appears to have triggered the shooter.

https://www.hias.org/national-refugee-shabbat

Mind you, this refugee stuff has absolutely zero support in the Torah, so they're hijacking the religion (and government funds) to promote mass third-world immigration that gets dumped on unsuspecting communities around the US.

This is why I'm like meh about it. Feel like a bystander in late Weimar watching commies and brownshirts duke it out.

[Pauls' Revere]

This is why I'm like meh about it. Feel like a bystander in late Weimar watching commies and brownshirts duke it out.

I feel likewise, only probably like the early Weimar? who knows.

[Pauls' Revere]

It's a Soros organization whose event last weekend appears to have triggered the shooter.

https://www.hias.org/national-refugee-shabbat

Mind you, this refugee stuff has absolutely zero support in the Torah, so they're hijacking the religion (and government funds) to promote mass third-world immigration that gets dumped on unsuspecting communities around the US.

This is why I'm like meh about it. Feel like a bystander in late Weimar watching commies and brownshirts duke it out.

Yeah, I feel likewise, I was at work and heard someone say we "ought to get rid of this innocent before proven guilty thing". I remained stone faced and realized just how far off the edge this country has gone.

I too feel like I'm watching the pretext to the Spanish Civil War in which Franco's side got butt hurt after losing to a democratically elected president. Sounds familiar, only he had the military and foreign backing. I'm waiting to see which side garnishes more military support than the other. But who knows, hope I'm wrong.

[enhanced_deficit]

PBS had reported that shooting suspect retweeted this claim that Trump was going after "Rise Above Movement" and "Proud Boys" :

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqhqfyzWsAEH8Zb.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqhqfyzWsAEH8Zb.jpg


It's a Soros organization whose event last weekend appears to have triggered the shooter.


That might be too simplistic an explanation, the suspect was "anti-Trump" :


https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/robert-bowers-politics-trump-republican-democrat/
https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/repost.png?w=503&h=531
https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/robertbowers4.png?w=699&h=531
https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/bowerstrump.png?w=782&h=198



Ben Collins‏ Verified account @oneunderscore__ Oct 27




Bowers reposted this image, a screenshot of a Star of David on the side of a truck purportedly in the migrant caravan, several times before the attack. It's from a Fox News segment about the caravan that didn't mention the decal.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-suspect-threatened-jewish-groups-pushed-migrant-caravan-n925256 … (https://t.co/IfelguHuXR)



https://i.redd.it/uv1uqsczsdt11.jpg

















https://www.hias.org/national-refugee-shabbat

Mind you, this refugee stuff has absolutely zero support in the Torah, so they're hijacking the religion (and government funds) to promote mass third-world immigration that gets dumped on unsuspecting communities around the US.


Trump calls Pittsburgh synagogue attack ‘evil’ anti-Semitism
49 minutes ago
https://www.apnews.com/5f596ac7b6f845e59460e9e69072da03


Conspiracy theories about Soros aren’t just false. They’re anti-Semitic.
Blaming Jewish outsiders for dissent and social unrest isn’t new.
October 24
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/10/24/conspiracy-theories-about-soros-arent-just-false-theyre-anti-semitic/?utm_term=.8304a1174235


IVANKA: WE MUST UNITE AGAINST EVIL... (https://twitter.com/IvankaTrump/status/1056238987336171520)
NETANYAHU 'HEARTBROKEN'... (http://news.trust.org//item/20181027172442-k6fsu/)
ADL: Deadliest attack on community in USA history... (https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/adl-statement-on-synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-300739048.html)

From Drudge.
One of those occasions when Trump, Ivanka, Netanyahu, ADL and waPo have similar views.





Quick lookup shows interesting history of HIAS. HIAS apparently has changed its mission since major Russian immigrants exodus from then Soviet Union following global Islamic Jihad against Russia supported by US-Israel-Saudis.


With few Jewish refugees left, HIAS aids non-Jews

After decades as the Jewish community’s foremost voice on immigration, HIAS is making formal its shift to refugee care and resettlement overseas.
By JTA
July 17, 2013
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-Features/With-few-Jews-left-to-save-HIAS-finds-relevance-in-non-Jewish-refugees-320113


U.S. Congressional Black Caucus to Protest Israel’s Deportation of African Asylum Seekers

Move revealed by head of Jewish refugee agency, who also warns that Israeli government’s plan will only increase alienation of American Jews from Israel
Feb 25, 2018
“In the eyes of the American-Jewish community – particularly the younger generation – this is very upsetting and it’s just going to cause further alienation from Israel,” Mark Hetfield, the president and CEO of HIAS (founded as the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society), told Haaretz.
“I mean, Israel is supposed to be a light onto the nations on these kinds of issues, so those who are already skeptical about Israel are going to be even more skeptical,” he added.

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-congressional-black-caucus-to-protest-israel-over-asylum-seekers-1.5847467

[thoughtomator]

http://conspiracy.wikia.com/wiki/Monarch_program

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6ejlmz/4chan_found_mkultramonarchhypnosis_conditioning/

I getcha but I don't think that is needed to explain this case.

The big picture situation is that mass importation of foreign cultures creates widespread social stress. Due to the chaotic nature of such things, it was inevitable that the stress thus caused would result in some sort of blowback; the more stress, the more blowback.

Voting for Trump's wall is how normal people expressed their blowback. Going on a crazy shooting spree is how this character did so. Given the amount of social stress caused by multiculturalism and the scale of it, that the range of natural variation in blowback response would include on its fringes extreme actors seems reasonable.

Multiculturalism and identity politics have completely torn apart the social fabric of the country. Outlier types of responses like this one to such extreme social stress are all but inevitable, the only question is where and when it happens.

Given that, if we accept the face value explanation as given by the alleged shooter - and there's no reason not to as it is coherent - the shooter was acting in direct response to the activities which radicalized him, i.e. the social stress brought on by multiculturalism, which was the very specific motive.

Let's again go back to the trigger event: https://www.hias.org/national-refugee-shabbat

My interest is that I'd like to know how the hell they justify doing this is the name of Judaism - what's their claim of scriptural support?

This is the kind of thing I find: "“Torah commands us 36 times to welcome the stranger. The repetition is interesting—maybe it’s because it’s not the most important commandment, but the easiest to forget.”" https://www.hias.org/newsroom (see Jun 24 entry) . They'll use the terms "alien" and "foreigner" in the place of stranger as well, depending on who is saying it.

However, if you go to the actual Torah, it doesn't say any of that. The word the Torah uses is "sojourner", which is sort of like a stranger but has a profound difference, a deliberately omitted one.

And they need to omit that difference because it blows the hell out of their scriptural fig leaf. The difference is that a sojourner is one whose stay is by definition temporary. And they use this as the basis for a permanent resettlement program.

So this is a Communist lie with a veneer of fake Jewry; that's really what's going on here and that is really where the problem originates.

No Jewish organization should have anything to do with such things, not only because it is not supported by the Torah at all, but also because it plays right into all the worst stereotypes of Jews as subversive in character.

[TheCount]

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That's pretty standard for Gab.

[eleganz]

PayPal Bans Social Network Gab.com After Synagogue Attacker Revealed As User (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-27/paypal-bans-social-network-gabcom-after-synagogue-attacker-revealed-user)

They were just waiting to ban gab and looking for a reason to do it. All of the competitor social networks have a target on their backs.

[Aratus]

GAB did get banned.

[RJ Liberty]

No, I arrived after the fact. Also, I don’t know what trump did or did not say while en route (no internet), when I gave the interview I was speaking to what I had heard prior to getting into the car. I got a little out of breath jogging over to where the news media was.

Here’s the interview:

https://twitter.com/kstevec/status/1056241051739013121?s=21

GREAT interview! Well said. Wonder why the video was recorded on a potato.

[devil21]

GAB did get banned.

Let's see if more of these events happen that just happen to be tied to other social media that hasn't been silenced yet. If there's more and they're always tied to some social media outlet that subsequently needs more restriction or shut down entirely, it's a BIG sign that the events are part of a censorship agenda. History proves that the people that pull the strings don't mind sacrificing some random people if needed. End justifies the means...

[Ender]

Back to accusing anyone who doesn't march in lock step with your own worldview of being "deniers" and paid shills, I see. That ploy is a bit hackneyed. You need some new material.

And btw, I'm perfectly open to the possibility of false flag operations and conspiracies. But you need something more compelling as evidence than "timing" and the fact that the idea fits nicely into your own preconceived notions.

ETA: The fact that others might be a bit more skeptical than I on such topics does not make them "deniers" or paid shills. Just a bit more skeptical. And here I thought a healthy skepticism was a good thing.

QUESTION EVERYTHING.

[CCTelander]

QUESTION EVERYTHING.


Absolutely. But exercise some basic common sense too. Every time Istub my toe I don't look under my bed for a communist to blame it on.

[Brian4Liberty]

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I don't even know where to start with this. Instead, I'll just remind that there's nothing worse for the 2nd Amendment than a 'Republican' President. And in this case, probably the 1st Amendment as well.

On Fox yesterday, they were pretty open about calling for restrictions on guns and speech.

It’s always the same. “What can we do to stop this? Who’s to blame? We have to ban guns.” Sorry, there is nothing that can be done to completely stop bad things from happening. It’s reality.

Calls for violence have often been the first thing that people are willing to “ban”. Unfortunately, platforms like Facebook and Twitter will not find posts by one of these lone nuts. No one will notice them. But then, what really gets banned is political opposition instead. So the solution is no solution at all. It doesn’t do what it is supposed to do, and instead does exactly what it is not supposed to do (silence opposition speech).

[Anti Globalist]

A mass shooting when the midterms are soon? Hmm...

[Brian4Liberty]

Pittsburgh shooting suspect posted online about HIAS, an agency known for work with refugees (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pittsburgh-shooting-suspect-posted-online-about-hias-agency-known-work-n925391)
By Farnoush Amiri - Oct. 28, 2018


The Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society (HIAS), known for their resettlement work in the U.S. and internationally, is one of the oldest refugee protection agencies in the country. The organization became part of the national conversation Saturday after the man suspected of shooting and killing 11 at a synagogue in Pittsburgh appeared to have referred to the group online.

In a post on the social network Gab, Robert Bowers, 46, linked to a directory of synagogues participating in a HIAS event, National Refugee Shabbat, saying he “appreciated” the list.
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"We have made a lot of progress in the past two years in getting attention to our work but yesterday, things took a turn," said Bill Swersey, a communications director for HIAS.

In 1980, HIAS became an official, voluntary agency for the State Department's Office of Refugee Resettlement State, joining eight other organizations, which include other religious-based groups like the Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Services and the Church World Service.

The U.S government refers immigration cases to HIAS, where they work with their 20 sites and affiliates across the country to help resettle refugees.
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HIAS is also involved in immigration causes globally through their 10 international offices. The recent issues at the U.S.-Mexico border and oncoming migrant caravan has also become part of the forefront of their work.

"As far as the migrant caravan goes, we are actively advocating for asylum seekers," Swersey said.

HIAS held their National Refugee Shabbat last week from Oct. 19-20 in various locations across the country so that congregations could "deepen" their understanding of the current refugee crisis. Speakers like Ahed Festuk, a Syrian activist from Aleppo and Debora Barrios-Vasquez, who recently resettled in the U.S. after fleeing Guatemala, spoke to attendees.
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More: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pittsburgh-shooting-suspect-posted-online-about-hias-agency-known-work-n925391

[PursuePeace]

Weird. Looks like they had a drill for this very type of situation back in January 2018 -

https://triblive.com/local/allegheny/13221932-74/active-shooter-drill-planned-for-thursday-in-squirrel-hill



Active shooter drill planned for Thursday night in Squirrel Hill, Darlington Road to close


January 24, 2018 - Pittsburgh and Allegheny County police along with the FBI will hold an active shooter drill Thursday night in Squirrel Hill.

The drill will take place from 8 p.m. to midnight at the Jewish Community Center, 5738 Forbes Ave.

Darlington Road will be closed from St. Edmund's Way to Murray Avenue.

Residents may notice a large police presence in the area.

The exercise is closed to the public and the media.

The exercise is to ensure the area is prepared and ready to respond in an active shooter situation. The exercise will include apprehending a shooter, evacuations and treating victims at the scene.

At least 50 volunteers from the Squirrel Hill community and the Jewish Community Center staff will serve as role players for the exercise.

Emily Balser is a Tribune-Review staff writer. Reach her at 724-226-4680, emilybalser@tribweb.com or via Twitter @emilybalser.

[Brian4Liberty]

Pittsburgh shooting suspect posted online about HIAS, an agency known for work with refugees (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pittsburgh-shooting-suspect-posted-online-about-hias-agency-known-work-n925391)
By Farnoush Amiri - Oct. 28, 2018

Have never heard of HIAS, but it comes as no surprise that a religious group is involved in refugee activism. Catholic and Lutheran charities have also been doing this for decades. Thus, if this shooter is trying to justify this based on immigration, it is truly insane. This is a political debate, and it spans the entire population, not just a particular synagogue or religious or ethnic group. Violence is no solution. Murder is murder, and crazy is crazy.

[Swordsmyth]

January 2018: Pittsburgh and Allegheny County Police and FBI Held Active Shooter Drill at Jewish Community Center (Blocks Away from Tree of Life Synagogue), Right Around the Time Bowers Joined Gab (https://www.cryptogon.com/?p=53694)

[Brian4Liberty]

January 2018: Pittsburgh and Allegheny County Police and FBI Held Active Shooter Drill at Jewish Community Center (Blocks Away from Tree of Life Synagogue), Right Around the Time Bowers Joined Gab (https://www.cryptogon.com/?p=53694)

Someone could hypothesize that such a “drill” would actually plant the seed in some sick mind to actually do it. That would make such drills counter-productive.

[RJB]

It’s always the same. “What can we do to stop this? Who’s to blame? We have to ban guns.” Sorry, there is nothing that can be done to completely stop bad things from happening. It’s reality. The older I get the more I appreciate stoic philosophy. So many people live only out of fear of death. Very few live for the sheer love of life. I share your view. It reminds me of this quotation:
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How ridiculous and how strange to be surprised at anything which happens in life. -- Marcus Aurelius Those who fear guns do so because they don't really live. They only exist because they fear the alternative and their passions are too easily stirred.

[Swordsmyth]

Someone could hypothesize that such a “drill” would actually plant the seed in some sick mind to actually do it. That would make such drills counter-productive.
It can also be theorized that such drills are used to plan and practice an event that is being planned for political purposes.

[enhanced_deficit]

Although emotions are high but did not expect this type of protests:


'President Hate, Leave Our State'

Pittsburgh Jews Give Trump a Furious Reception

Hundreds of protesters rallied outside the Tree of Life synagogue to demonstrate against Trump's rhetoric, holding signs reading 'Trump will lie about this too' and 'Ban assault rifles, be a leader'

https://images.haarets.co.il/image/upload/w_1807,h_1353,x_241,y_183,c_crop,g_north_west/w_625,h_361,q_auto,c_fill,f_auto/fl_any_format.preserve_transparency.progressive:no ne/v1540935232/1.6611117.3714029412.jpg

Members of the community protest President Trump's visit in the wake of the synagogue shooting, Pittsburgh, October 30, 2018Amir Tibon


While Dermer agreed to join the president, other big names in Washington turned down the honor – House Speaker Paul D. Ryan, House Majority and Minority Leaders Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority and Minority leaders Mitch McConnell and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer, all turned down invitations.
A list of local officials, including Pittsburgh mayor, Bill Peduto, also declined their invitations to meet with the visiting president. The mayor had publicly advised the president to delay his visit so that the community’s attention could be focused on embracing the victims.



https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/trump-lands-in-pittsburgh-to-furious-welcome-from-jewish-community-1.6611099

[phill4paul]

Although emotions are high but did not expect this type of protests:



https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/trump-lands-in-pittsburgh-to-furious-welcome-from-jewish-community-1.6611099

That's what the 98% negative media bias of Trump dredges up.

In other news....

PITTSBURGH RABBI SAYS HE SAW WARM, PERSONAL SIDE OF DONALD TRUMP AMERICA HASN’T SEEN


The rabbi explained to CNN that after Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer introduced him to the White House coalition, he shook Trump’s hand and escorted him inside the synagogue.

Once inside, Myers had about 15 or 20 minutes to hold private conversations with the Trumps and Kushner, during which time, he said the president was very “warm” and “consoling.” Before asking about anything else, Myers said the president turned to him and asked how he was doing.

“Throughout the time we spent together, I was pleasantly surprised by a warm, personal side to the president that I don’t think America has ever seen,” Myers said.

He added that he told his guests about his own personal experience during the shooting, which he said they found “shocking and upsetting.” He also told them that hate speech has no place in America’s society and that it leads to actions of hate, such as the deaths of eleven people from his congregation.

After his conversation with the Trumps and Kushner, some of the contents Myers respectfully asked to keep private, they lit memorial candles and the rabbi chanted the Jewish memorial prayer in both English and Hebrew. Myers then fulfilled Trump’s request that he lead him and Melania to the makeshift memorial, where the president placed stones and the first lady placed white roses.


Political commentator John Burnett also posted a video on Twitter of the president at a Pittsburgh hospital, where he went to visit with some of the people who were injured during the shooting. A group of people wearing scrubs gathered near one of the hallways, and as the president walked by, they shouted their thanks and appreciation for his visiting.

https://www.newsweek.com/pittsburgh-rabbi-says-he-saw-warm-personal-side-trump-america-hasnt-seen-1197052

[asurfaholic]

There was not this much fanfare at that church shooting in Texas. Mite be because this whole thing is a political hack.

[devil21]

Someone could hypothesize that such a “drill” would actually plant the seed in some sick mind to actually do it. That would make such drills counter-productive.

It's been theorized that drills are where a lot of video footage is taken that is later spliced into news reports and the "shooter" character persona created as part of the drill. The amount of drills that coincide with "real" events that happen later is uncanny and defies the odds. There's a long history of this. I don't know for sure what happened but I did watch the CNN 'live' breaking news coverage of it and there were definitely some oddities in the footage they aired. I learned to pay close attention to any aired footage after Sandy Hook's footage revealed a lot of screwery.

[enhanced_deficit]

There was not this much fanfare at that church shooting in Texas. Mite be because this whole thing is a political hack.

If this was fakenews/falseflag etc (assuming that's what your comment was hinting at?), POTUS knew that when he visited there?
Or such political hack could take place without the knowledge of a sitting POTUS?

[Swordsmyth]

If this was fakenews/falseflag etc (assuming that's what your comment was hinting at?), POTUS knew that when he visited there?
Or such political hack could take place without the knowledge of a sitting POTUS?

Could be either way.

[enhanced_deficit]

In related news:


Michael Cohen ‏Verified account @MichaelCohen212
In honor of those sadly being buried today resulting from #AntiSemitism #PittsburghSynagogueShooting, let’s follow the wisdom and thoughtful words of #RabbiJeffreyMyers “it can’t just be to say we need to stop hate. We need to do, we need to act to tone down rhetoric."

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Replying to @MichaelCohen212

Michael, you have an opportunity to really stop Trump’s hate by telling all you know to Mr Mueller. I wish you strength and grace to do it and mercy once you do. Thank you for turning that corner and standing up for country over friend. I like the new @MichaelCohen212 #Shalom


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https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1014599121045422080/0SzFQ5xg_bigger.jpg Michael Cohen‏ Verified account @MichaelCohen212 Oct 30

Thank you!

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https://twitter.com/MichaelCohen212/status/1057235433845915654




Could be either way.

You seem to be agnostic on many important topics posted here lately. Assumed you were a strong supporter of MAGA, bit surprised that you are open to possibility of this being 'false flag' and MAGA being in on it.

[Mike4Freedom]

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That's what the 98% negative media bias of Trump dredges up.

In other news....

PITTSBURGH RABBI SAYS HE SAW WARM, PERSONAL SIDE OF DONALD TRUMP AMERICA HASN’T SEEN

https://www.newsweek.com/pittsburgh-rabbi-says-he-saw-warm-personal-side-trump-america-hasnt-seen-1197052



EM, tend to agree with the highlighted.
But media is so discredited, their attacks often end up helping instead of hurting him. An argument can be made that media helped him get elected.

Media coverage also tends to paint MAGA as a "Nazi" and shooter sharing his ideology. But in reality suspected shooter hated him:


https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1056208150670397446


Robby Starbuck‏ Verified account @robbystarbuck
Posts from the suspected Pittsburgh shooter Robert Bowers. He hated Trump and thought Trump was controlled by Jews. This monster is an unhinged anti-Semitic terrorist.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRFq3-PiOwo3mcjG43b8D7_GqfKdNYO8S4uTQ6-7EQxUD5PKbR8Ng

[devil21]

I live less then a mile from where this happened. I do have a few Jewish friends and one of them was friends with a few of the victims. So I highly doubt that this is the case. These people are really dead.

The guy that did it could still be an agent of some sort. That I do not think we will ever know.

You know someone that was friends with ~80 year old Jewish people? Please do excuse my question but there's invariably, in threads on other forums, a poster that just happens to know a victim. The odds of which occurring naturally are always very steep.

[TheCount]

You know someone that was friends with ~80 year old Jewish people? Please do excuse my question but there's invariably, in threads on other forums, a poster that just happens to know a victim. The odds of which occurring naturally are always very steep.

Obviously they've been planning for this shooting for a very long time. They had Mike4Freedom join the forum 9 years ago just in case someone might get suspicious about it. Man, they've really thought of everything.

[devil21]

Obviously they've been planning for this shooting for a very long time. They had Mike4Freedom join the forum 9 years ago just in case someone might get suspicious about it. Man, they've really thought of everything.

That's called a strawman, just fyi. Some of the old handles on RPF have long since been taken over by the shills. I remember quite well when I was offered compensation to compromise this account.

[timosman]

That's called a strawman, just fyi. Some of the old handles on RPF have long since been taken over by the shills. I remember quite well when I was offered compensation to compromise this account.

I am disappointed. Nobody offered me anything. :tears:

[devil21]

I am disappointed. Nobody offered me anything. :tears:

Most of your account activity here started in 2015. 23,000+ posts in 3 years is a lot.

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Suspect in Pittsburgh synagogue shooting pleads not guilty

Robert Bowers is accused of shouting anti-semitic epithets during the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting. Neighbors describe the 46-year-old as "unremarkably normal."
USA TODAY

Wearing a red jumpsuit and a bandage on his left arm, the suspect in the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting rampage that left 11 people dead pleaded not guilty Thursday in a brief arraignment in federal court where prosecutors emphasized he faces the possibility of the death penalty.
Robert Bowers, 46, is accused of the heinous killings in a 44-count indictment that includes charges of hate crimes.
Authorities say a heavily armed Bowers walked into the Tree of Life Synagogue in the city's affluent Squirrel Hill neighborhood Saturday morning as services were beginning. He shouted anti-Semitic epithets and started shooting.

As in his first court appearance Wednesday, Bowers pleaded not guilty and requested a jury trial. This time, however, Bowers – who was shot and wounded in a gunbattle that left four police officers injured – walked into court, without the aid of a wheelchair.
Unshackled, the stocky truck driver shook hands with his attorney and appeared to be looking at the indictment. He glanced around the room while walking to the table but said nothing.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/11/01/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-suspect-robert-bowers-federal-court/1843095002/







GAB did get banned.


November 3, 2018
Gab gets new domain host, expects to be back online Sunday

Social media site Gab, popular among far-right extremists, has found a new domain host and expects to be back online by Sunday, it tweeted on Saturday. Gab's earlier domain host, GoDaddy, dropped the site following the news that the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter Robert Bowers had been an avid poster on the site.

In a lengthy blog post, Rob Monster, founder and CEO of Gab's new domain host Epik.com, wrote that he "did not take the decision lightly," but "de-platforming is digital censorship." Monster said he had spoken to Gab founder Andrew Torba as part of his "own search for truth."


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gab-new-domain-host-epik-robert-bowers-pittsburgh-shooting/

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Don't worry, he was anti-trump.

(But only because Trump is too friendly with Jews.)

This little detail does not help media narrative of "Trump is racist/nazi" and is kept obscure in much of MSM reporting.

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Trump called Peduto, wanted to talk death penalty after synagogue shooting, Peduto says

Adam Smeltz and Bill Schackner , Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Nov 5, 2018

Pittsburgh Mayor Bill Peduto was on the phone with President Donald Trump for just a few minutes.
But that was enough time for Mr. Trump to ask the mayor about the death penalty, Mr. Peduto said Monday, recalling their conversation Oct. 27 when the president called him right after the Tree of Life synagogue shootings (https://newsinteractive.post-gazette.com/pittsburgh-squirrel-hill-synagogue-massacre/) in Squirrel Hill.
After an initial exchange, he said, the president wanted to know his position on capital punishment.
“I didn’t say anything,” Mr. Peduto told reporters. “I was just numb, and not because he brought it up.”
Rather, he was numb because officials had just issued an “all-clear” at the synagogue, allowing authorities to enter and report back on the scope of the incident, Mr. Peduto said.
“There’s time for different types of conversation. That very moment I just wasn’t ready to be engaged in” that, he said, later adding: “I was just in a very different place.”

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2018/11/05/Donald-Trump-Bill-Peduto-phone-call-synagogue-shooting-death-penalty/stories/201811050141

[Mike4Freedom]

That's called a strawman, just fyi. Some of the old handles on RPF have long since been taken over by the shills. I remember quite well when I was offered compensation to compromise this account.

Yes someone paid for my account and then had a post frequency of one post every few weeks. /s

[devil21]

Yes someone paid for my account and then had a post frequency of one post every few weeks. /s

Ya never know these days.

You didn't answer my original question though.

[Mike4Freedom]

Ya never know these days.

You didn't answer my original question though.

To your original question. Yes. The guy is an old Jew that lives up the street from me. Friend might be a strong word, when we are out with the kids we see him out a lot, he is always walking. Half the population here in squirrel hill is Jewish. So a lot of them all know each other.

[TheCount]

I mean, are we even sure that Pittsburgh exists?

[devil21]

I mean, are we even sure that Pittsburgh exists?

Pittsburgh is a corporation name so no it doesn't exist.


To your original question. Yes. The guy is an old Jew that lives up the street from me. Friend might be a strong word, when we are out with the kids we see him out a lot, he is always walking. Half the population here in squirrel hill is Jewish. So a lot of them all know each other.

OK I'll take your word for it. Thanks for replying.

[Occam's Banana]

I mean, are we even sure that Pittsburgh exists?

Come to think of it, I have never seen Pittsburgh and New York City in the same place at the time ... hmmmmmm ...

[Occam's Banana]

But the glasses, man! One of them wears glasses! ( fans of the Tick's live action show on Fox, and maybe a few Superman fans will get it.)

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcnlqv


https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcnlqv

[CCTelander]

Come to think of it, I have never seen Pittsburgh and New York City in the same place at the time ... hmmmmmm ...


But the glasses, man! One of them wears glasses! ( fans of the Tick's live action show on Fox, and maybe a few Superman fans will get it.)

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https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/bowerstrump.png?w=782&h=198

Ben Collins‏ Verified account @oneunderscore__ Oct 27




Some in media are back to linking this to MAGA hats:


https://www.vnews.com/getattachment/10a9516a-3184-4c6b-868c-357967f44b79/Column-Xenophobia-Heffernan-111118-ph01

https://www.vnews.com/Column-The-price-we-pay-for-Xenophobia-21442621

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This Foxnews article might be somewhat historic, not everyday one sees "love one another" boardcast from this media outlet:



Published 20 hours ago

After Pittsburgh synagogue shooting we must reject religious hatred and love one another


By Jentezen Franklin | Fox News

Rabbi Motti Selligson shares his reaction to the tragic shooting at Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh, and gives some insight into how we should respond and deal with religious hate in today's world.

Three weeks ago, the poisonous hatred of anti-Semitism was on full display when a man who said he was on a mission to “kill all the Jews” stormed into the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh, killed 11 worshipers, injured two others and wounded four police officers who heroically responded to the attack.
Innocent people peacefully practicing their right to worship were gunned down in their own synagogue in the deadliest anti-Semitic attack in American history.
As a Christian pastor, I have never been the target of anti-Semitism. What is it like to live in fear of being hunted and killed simply because of your heritage or religion? I can’t even begin to imagine. I’ve been fortunate to never have to live with that fear every waking moment of my life.
That was the daily reality for Jews in Europe under Nazi rule during the Holocaust, when German dictator Adolf Hitler embraced the immoral ideology of anti-Semitism and ordered the slaughter of 6 million Jews – the largest massacre targeted against any one group of people in history.
Tragically, as the mass murder at the Pittsburgh synagogue showed, the evil of anti-Semitism is still with us. And recently anti-Semitism has emerged as an ever-present reality for Jews around the world.
Chants of “Death to Israel” are the norm in Iran, a nation whose leaders vow to wipe Israel off the map. And even Britain is dealing with anti-Semitism, seeing an uptick in incidents as the Labor Party leader himself has made disparaging comments toward Jews.
Religious leaders and politicians in America are on record saying horrific things as well, with a U.S. congressional candidate calling Israel “evil.”

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/after-pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-we-must-reject-religious-hatred-and-love-one-another

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Feds back off claim man said synagogue attack was 'a dry run'A U.S. Attorney's filing appears to back off a claim that suspect Jeffrey R. Clark said the synagogue attack was a 'dry run.'


People pay their respects at a memorial outside the Tree of Life synagogue following the shooting in Pittsburgh on Oct. 29, 2018.Brendan Smialowsk / AFP - Getty Images
Nov. 15, 2018

By Dennis Romero
The U.S. Attorney's office in Washington Thursday appeared to back off its claim that a suspect said to be social media friends (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/online-acquaintance-accused-synagogue-shooter-arrested-n936001) with Pittsburgh synagogue shooting suspect Robert Bowers (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/active-shooter-reported-near-pittsburgh-synagogue-n925211) stated online that the massacre "was just a dry run for things to come."
But federal prosecutors still want Jeffrey R. Clark behind bars.
The clarification came in a pretrial detention memo filed after an NBC News analysis published Wednesday revealed that Clark posed that statement Oct. 26 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-who-threatened-dry-run-things-come-was-not-referring-n936321) — a day before the synagogue attack in Pittsburgh. The post rather was likely referring to the pipe bombs that were mailed to various high-profile critics of the Trump administration, the FBI filing indicated.



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/feds-backs-claim-man-said-synagogue-attack-was-dry-run-n936991

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Swastika painted on Duke University mural honoring synagogue massacre victims

By Samuel Chamberlain | Fox News


https://a57.foxnews.com/a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2018/11/640/320/1862/1048/Duke-Swastika-FB.jpg?ve=1&tl=1?ve=1&tl=1

A swastika is seen covering a Star of David that was painted as part of a tribute mural on the campus of Duke University in Durham, N.C. (Facebook/Olivia Levine)


Duke University's president condemned what he called a "craven and cowardly act of vandalism" Monday after a swastika was found on a mural honoring victims of last month's Pittsburgh synagogue massacre.
The Nazi symbol was painted over a Star of David on the wall of a tunnel underneath the East Campus Bridge at the North Carolina college. The area is a popular space for students to paint messages ranging from campus event promotions to memorials.
In a message to the Duke community, university President Vincent E. Price wrote that security would be stepped up at several locations, including the Freeman Center for Jewish Life.
"That such a craven and cowardly act of vandalism -- a desecration of a memorial to individuals who were killed because they were Jewish and practicing their faith -- should happen anywhere is extremely distressing," he wrote. "That it should occur in such a visible, public location at Duke should be a matter of grave concern to us all."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/swastika-painted-on-duke-university-mural-honoring-synagogue-massacre-victims

[Swordsmyth]

Swastika painted on Duke University mural honoring synagogue massacre victims

By Samuel Chamberlain | Fox News


https://a57.foxnews.com/a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2018/11/640/320/1862/1048/Duke-Swastika-FB.jpg?ve=1&tl=1?ve=1&tl=1

A swastika is seen covering a Star of David that was painted as part of a tribute mural on the campus of Duke University in Durham, N.C. (Facebook/Olivia Levine)


Duke University's president condemned what he called a "craven and cowardly act of vandalism" Monday after a swastika was found on a mural honoring victims of last month's Pittsburgh synagogue massacre.
The Nazi symbol was painted over a Star of David on the wall of a tunnel underneath the East Campus Bridge at the North Carolina college. The area is a popular space for students to paint messages ranging from campus event promotions to memorials.
In a message to the Duke community, university President Vincent E. Price wrote that security would be stepped up at several locations, including the Freeman Center for Jewish Life.
"That such a craven and cowardly act of vandalism -- a desecration of a memorial to individuals who were killed because they were Jewish and practicing their faith -- should happen anywhere is extremely distressing," he wrote. "That it should occur in such a visible, public location at Duke should be a matter of grave concern to us all."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/swastika-painted-on-duke-university-mural-honoring-synagogue-massacre-victims
It probably was painted there by a liberal, most of the times that they catch the perp it turns out to be a liberal.

[devil21]

It probably was painted there by a liberal, most of the times that they catch the perp it turns out to be a liberal.

Don't you mean it was probably painted by a jewish person? Almost every instance of such things turns out to be self-inflicted. May be liberal, may not.

[Swordsmyth]

Don't you mean it was probably painted by a jewish person? Almost every instance of such things turns out to be self-inflicted. May be liberal, may not.
Possibly but I have seen stories where it was a black or some other non-jewish liberal.

[specsaregood]

Don't you mean it was probably painted by a jewish person? Almost every instance of such things turns out to be self-inflicted. May be liberal, may not.

The last public instance was a black guy in NY. I supposed he could have been jewish, but I doubt it.

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It probably was painted there by a liberal, most of the times that they catch the perp it turns out to be a liberal.

There are no conservatives on the scene anywhere areally, mainstream politics battles are between left-wing liberals and right wing liberals/RINOS etc. Chances of any conservatives being on college sence are even slimmer.

[James_Madison_Lives]

This is an attack on each and every one of us and we don't know it. Even murderers don't get their bank account closed.

[Anti Globalist]

One of the survivors was at the SOTU.

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Another shooting in CA being reported:


Multiple People Injured At California Synagogue Shooting


https://cdn.talkingpointsmemo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/scamv3eni0cvvtri7p0b-804x450.jpg
By Kate Riga
April 27, 2019 4:00 pm

Multiple people have been shot at a synagogue in Poway, California.

According to the Poway sheriff’s office, a suspect has been detained.
Update #1: A man has been detained for questioning in connection with a shooting incident at the Chabad of Poway synagogue. @SDSOPoway Deputies were called to Chabad Way just before 11:30 a.m. There are injuries. This is a developing situation.
— Poway Station (@SDSOPoway) April 27, 2019





https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/multiple-people-injured-california-synagogue-shooting

[Occam's Banana]

Pittsburgh synagogue mass shooter found guilty on 63 counts, prosecutors seek death penalty
The jury deliberated for less than one day, and will next weigh if Bowers should be sentenced to death.
https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-pittsburg-synagogue-mass-shooter-found-guilty-on-63-counts
Hannah Nightingale (16 June 2023)

On Friday, Robert Bowers was found guilty by a jury on all 63 charges stemming from the 2018 mass shooting at a Pittsburgh synagogue which saw the deaths of 11 worshipers.

The charges included 11 counts of hate crimes resulting in death. The jury deliberated for less than one day, and will next weigh if Bowers should be sentenced to death, according to ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/pittsburgh-synagogue-mass-shooting-verdict-reached-federal-death/story?id=100104078).

On October 27, 2018, Bowers stormed into the Tree of Life synagogue, fatally shooting 11 people inside in what has been called the deadliest antisemitic attack in American history. Bowers allegedly told investigators that he wanted to kill Jewish people.

Bowers offered to plead guilty if prosecutors took the death penalty off the table, but they refused.

Prosecutors said Bowers moved "methodically" through the synagogue and shot many of his victims at close range, armed with a semi-automatic rifle.

During opening statements in May, defense attorney Judy Clarke admitted that Bowers had been the shooter and said he "shot every person he saw … and injured first responders who came to their rescue."

"There will be no question that this was a planned act and that he killed 11 people," she said, but she asked the jurors to "scrutinize his intent."

The jury was comprised of 11 women and seven men, including an intensive care nurse, a new father, and a veteran. The penalty phase of the case will begin in around a week.

[dannno]

Pittsburgh synagogue shooter sentenced to death, more than 4½ years after he killed 11 in Squirrel Hill
https://www.post-gazette.com/news/crime-courts/2023/08/02/pittsburgh-synagogue-tree-of-life-trial-updates-robert-bowers-verdict/stories/202308020089