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Anti Federalist
10-06-2018, 05:08 PM
Help build a thread here, I'm pinched for time.

From another thread:



I'm sure the blacks just love the "believe any white woman's rape accusation automatically" strategy.

+rep

I have been meaning to start a thread about that, considering how many black men have been sent, not just to prison but to death row, based on false rape accusations from woemen, especially white woemen.

Over the years, how many have been released or found innocent after the fact, of rape?

I know I've posted hundreds, white and black, sent to prison, sent to death row or outright executed based on just an accusation and circumstantial evidence.

Help me out here: post the stories you recall or have heard or read about.

Pauls' Revere
10-06-2018, 05:51 PM
This one immediately pops in my head, involves Tawana Brawley who falsely accused someone of rape. Interesting thing is Al Sharpton backed her story up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley_rape_allegations

Tawana Glenda Brawley or Tawana Vicenia Brawley[1] (born December 15, 1971[1] or b. 1972[2]) is an African-American woman from Wappingers Falls, New York, who gained notoriety in 1987–88 for falsely accusing four white men of having raped her. The charges received widespread national attention because of her age (15), the persons accused (including police officers and a prosecuting attorney), and the state in which Brawley was found after the alleged rape. Brawley was found in a trash bag, with racial slurs written on her body and covered in feces on November 28, 1987. Brawley's advisers Al Sharpton, Alton H. Maddox and C. Vernon Mason also helped the case to gain prominence.[3]

After hearing evidence, a grand jury concluded in October 1988 that Brawley had not been the victim of a forcible sexual assault and that she herself may have created the appearance of such an attack.[4][5] The New York prosecutor whom Brawley had accused as one of her alleged assailants successfully sued Brawley and her three advisers for defamation.[5] Brawley initially received considerable support from the African-American community.[6] Some suggested that Brawley was victimized by biased reporting that adhered to racial stereotypes.[7][8] The mainstream media's coverage drew heated criticism from the African-American press and many black leaders who believed the teenager and her story.[9] The grand jury's conclusions decreased support for Brawley and her advisers. Brawley's family has maintained that the allegations were true.

pcosmar
10-06-2018, 05:56 PM
https://www.innocenceproject.org/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_Project


The work of the Innocence Project has led to the freeing of more than 350 wrongfully convicted people based on DNA, including 20 who spent time on death row, and the finding of 150 real perpetrators.

https://www.facebook.com/innocenceproject/

dannno
10-06-2018, 07:28 PM
Ben Shapiro gave a pretty good speech at USC a couple days ago.. AF will like these little clips (and would probably like 98% of the rest)

Due process at 30:00 (talks about a guy who got shot by an off duty cop in his own home)

32:40 - Really breaks down how I think most of us here feel about Kavanaugh

37:40 - Runs over a bunch of fake rape accusations


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugOcczsR6Us

I would recommend watching 30:00 up to the Q&A which is around 43:00, and if you like what you heard start from the beginning and watch the first 30 minutes.

Swordsmyth
10-06-2018, 09:52 PM
Another fashionable view is that women hardly ever lie about sexual assault, with many citing a phony and discredited two percent figure. Yet even liberal Slate admitted (http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/09/false_rape_accusations_why_must_be_pretend_they_ne ver_happen.html) in 2014 that false rape accusations are not uncommon, while Bloomberg stated (https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2014-09-19/how-many-rape-reports-are-false) the same year that the exact figure is unknown. But here’s what we do know: Stories of false sexual-assault allegations are legion. Here’s a sampling:
• The infamous Tawana Brawley case (https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/a-media-controversy-ignites-over-the-case-of-tawana-brawley) in 1987
• The Brian Banks affair (https://owlcation.com/social-sciences/Football-Player-Falsely-Imprisoned-For-Rape-Exonerated-Gets-Pro-Contract) in 2002
• The Duke University lacrosse rape frame-up case (http://thefederalist.com/2016/03/16/fantastic-lies-10-appalling-moments-from-the-duke-lacrosse-case/) in 2006
• The Jonathan Montgomery case (https://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/Jonathan-Montgomery-Exonerated-after-being-Convicted-of-Rape-237637641.html) in 2007
• The Hofstra University (https://nypost.com/2009/09/18/twisted-motive-behind-rape-story/) case in 2009
• The accusations against (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/business/media/rape-uva-rolling-stone-frat.html) the Virginia Alpha Chapter of the Phi Kappa Psi in 2014 (Rolling Stone debacle)
• The 2013 accusation (http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/09/false_rape_accusations_why_must_be_pretend_they_ne ver_happen.html) against singer-songwriter Conor Oberst
• Fox News host Tucker Carlson’s report that he has been falsely accused of sexual misconduct
Moreover, the Innocence Project, which endeavors to exonerate individuals wrongly convicted and imprisoned, lists 278 people (https://www.innocenceproject.org/all-cases/#exonerated-by-dna,sex-crimes) (all or virtually all men) freed after having been wrongly imprisoned for sexual crimes.
This, not to mention all the faked hate crimes (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/muslim-woman-reported-trump-supporter-attack-made-story-article-1.2910944) — most of which appear to have been perpetrated by women (https://www.nationalreview.com/2014/03/eleven-hate-crime-hoaxes-alec-torres/).
Unfortunately, for all society’s talk about “treating women as equals,” they instead are treated as children in these matters; that is to say, have you ever heard of a woman being held accountable for leveling false sexual misconduct charges? If there are such examples, they’re so vanishingly rare that I can’t think of one.
In fact, consider what happened when the aforementioned Conor Oberst brought a libel suit against his accuser, Joanie Faircloth. As Slate reported (http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/09/false_rape_accusations_why_must_be_pretend_they_ne ver_happen.html) in 2014, “Instead of showing sympathy for the ordeal of the musician — one known for being supportive of feminist issues — some chided him for taking legal action to defend himself against a false, career-damaging charge. In the Daily Dot, pop culture critic Chris Ostendorf decried (http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/how-conor-oberst-became-mra-icon/) the lawsuit, arguing that it could intimidate real victims of rape and that it promoted the idea of men as victims of false accusations — even though that’s exactly what Oberst was. After Oberst dropped the suit, Bustle’s Caroline Pate (http://www.bustle.com/articles/32748-why-conor-obersts-forgiveness-is-important)praised his decision and referred to the saga as ‘a roller-coaster for both parties’ — treating the false accuser and the wrongly accused as morally equivalent — and called the revelation of Oberst’s innocence ‘crushingly disappointing.’”

More at: https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/30257-always-believe-women-boy-s-life-destroyed-by-girls-false-allegations

dannno
10-06-2018, 10:04 PM
• The 2013 accusation (http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/09/false_rape_accusations_why_must_be_pretend_they_ne ver_happen.html) against singer-songwriter Conor Oberst


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xuuFpu7MKM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tslUNDvrgGw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e33e2fkCYK0

Brian4Liberty
10-06-2018, 10:27 PM
True story. A guy I knew in college had a girlfriend (on and off), who regularly called the Police and accused guys of rape. After a couple of drinks, she would have this urge, or obsession, to call 911. Saw it first hand a couple of times at parties. She would grab a phone and call 911 and claimed she was dying. But when she was alone with guys, she would claim she was being raped or kidnapped. A couple of times, the guy had to explain this to cops while his apartment was searched and then she confessed to the cops that she made it up.

He stopped going out with her, but the stories kept coming. She was very sexually aggressive, would come onto guys at parties and bars, literally grabbing them by the crotch. She would spend the night with guys, and the next day call the Police and claim she was raped. After enough of these, the local Police knew the pattern, and when they found out it was her, they basically ignored it.

Swordsmyth
10-06-2018, 10:30 PM
True story. A guy I knew in college had a girlfriend (on and off), who regularly called the Police and accused guys of rape. After a couple of drinks, she would have this urge, or obsession, to call 911. Saw it first hand a couple of times at parties. She would grab a phone and call 911 and claimed she was dying. But when she was alone with guys, she would claim she was being raped or kidnapped. A couple of times, the guy had to explain this to cops while his apartment was searched and then she confessed to the cops that she made it up.

He stopped going out with her, but the stories kept coming. She was very sexually aggressive, would come onto guys at parties and bars, literally grabbing them by the crotch. She would spend the night with guys, and the next day call the Police and claim she was raped. After enough of these, the local Police knew the pattern, and when they found out it was her, they basically ignored it.

But they never charged her for anything.........

Ender
10-07-2018, 09:00 AM
The Number of Male Domestic Abuse Victims Is Shockingly High — So Why Don’t We Hear About Them?

Jenna Birch


If you’re being honest, it’s probably a woman. After all, domestic violence against men isn’t a theme of many Hollywood movies.

Yet in 2010, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released data from its National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey — and one of the most shocking statistics wasn’t just the sheer total of victims of physical violence but also how those numbers broke down by gender.

According to the CDC’s statistics — estimates based on more than 18,000 telephone-survey responses in the United States — roughly 5,365,000 men had been victims of intimate partner physical violence in the previous 12 months, compared with 4,741,000 women. By the study’s definition, physical violence includes slapping, pushing, and shoving.

More severe threats like being beaten, burned, choked, kicked, slammed with a heavy object, or hit with a fist were also tracked. Roughly 40 percent of the victims of severe physical violence were men. The CDC repeated the survey in 2011, the results of which were published in 2014, and found almost identical numbers — with the percentage of male severe physical violence victims slightly rising.

More at the link: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/the-number-of-male-domestic-1284479771263030.html

Chester Copperpot
10-07-2018, 09:11 AM
This one immediately pops in my head, involves Tawana Brawley who falsely accused someone of rape. Interesting thing is Al Sharpton backed her story up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley_rape_allegations

Tawana Glenda Brawley or Tawana Vicenia Brawley[1] (born December 15, 1971[1] or b. 1972[2]) is an African-American woman from Wappingers Falls, New York, who gained notoriety in 1987–88 for falsely accusing four white men of having raped her. The charges received widespread national attention because of her age (15), the persons accused (including police officers and a prosecuting attorney), and the state in which Brawley was found after the alleged rape. Brawley was found in a trash bag, with racial slurs written on her body and covered in feces on November 28, 1987. Brawley's advisers Al Sharpton, Alton H. Maddox and C. Vernon Mason also helped the case to gain prominence.[3]

After hearing evidence, a grand jury concluded in October 1988 that Brawley had not been the victim of a forcible sexual assault and that she herself may have created the appearance of such an attack.[4][5] The New York prosecutor whom Brawley had accused as one of her alleged assailants successfully sued Brawley and her three advisers for defamation.[5] Brawley initially received considerable support from the African-American community.[6] Some suggested that Brawley was victimized by biased reporting that adhered to racial stereotypes.[7][8] The mainstream media's coverage drew heated criticism from the African-American press and many black leaders who believed the teenager and her story.[9] The grand jury's conclusions decreased support for Brawley and her advisers. Brawley's family has maintained that the allegations were true.

I even remember her infamous quote when asked if she was being manipulated by anybody...

"Nobody manip-nates me."

donnay
10-07-2018, 09:52 AM
True story. A guy I knew in college had a girlfriend (on and off), who regularly called the Police and accused guys of rape. After a couple of drinks, she would have this urge, or obsession, to call 911. Saw it first hand a couple of times at parties. She would grab a phone and call 911 and claimed she was dying. But when she was alone with guys, she would claim she was being raped or kidnapped. A couple of times, the guy had to explain this to cops while his apartment was searched and then she confessed to the cops that she made it up.

He stopped going out with her, but the stories kept coming. She was very sexually aggressive, would come onto guys at parties and bars, literally grabbing them by the crotch. She would spend the night with guys, and the next day call the Police and claim she was raped. After enough of these, the local Police knew the pattern, and when they found out it was her, they basically ignored it.

She should have been arrested for making false claims. This is one of the reasons these type women continue to cry wolf--they obviously love the attention.

Brian4Liberty
10-07-2018, 11:47 AM
She should have been arrested for making false claims. This is one of the reasons these type women continue to cry wolf--they obviously love the attention.

Yeah, it pretty much was an attention getting thing, from a mentally ill person. She was finally diagnosed and “treated” with a variety of meds (including several hospitalizations), but it didn’t stop her from making up stories and occasionally dialing 911.

dannno
10-07-2018, 12:05 PM
Yeah, it pretty much was an attention getting thing, from a mentally ill person. She was finally diagnosed and “treated” with a variety of meds (including several hospitalizations), but it didn’t stop her from making up stories and occasionally dialing 911.

So basically AFs worst nightmare.

Pauls' Revere
10-07-2018, 02:01 PM
Julie Swetnick claims to be "re-victimized".

On Saturday, Swetnick released a statement through Avenatti, saying she has been "re-victimized" since coming forward with her story by "certain media 'pundits'" and politicians who have stated that she should have remained silent ahead of the confirmation hearing at which Kavanaugh and another accuser, Christine Blasey Ford, testified.

"They claim my allegations were 'not helpful to the process,'" Swetnick said. "This is outrageous and shows a complete lack of empathy for survivors. I had every right to come forward and I literally placed my life in jeopardy to do so."

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/kavanaugh-accuser-victimized-since-coming-forward-story-she-171504061.html

James_Madison_Lives
10-07-2018, 03:05 PM
http://www.usmessageboard.com/attachments/believewimminmockingbird-jpg.220079/

RJB
10-07-2018, 04:57 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xP_unrWp2Mk&t=137s

My phone will only let me link. This video is about 4 women accusing a taxi driver of sexual assault to get out of paying a $13 fare.

Brian4Liberty
10-07-2018, 07:10 PM
http://www.usmessageboard.com/attachments/believewimminmockingbird-jpg.220079/

That image wins the internet today.

timosman
10-07-2018, 07:30 PM
https://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i-w600/you-will-obey-me-2.jpg

tod evans
10-07-2018, 07:47 PM
Julie Swetnick claims to be "re-victimized".

On Saturday, Swetnick released a statement through Avenatti, saying she has been "re-victimized" since coming forward with her story by "certain media 'pundits'" and politicians who have stated that she should have remained silent ahead of the confirmation hearing at which Kavanaugh and another accuser, Christine Blasey Ford, testified.

"They claim my allegations were 'not helpful to the process,'" Swetnick said. "This is outrageous and shows a complete lack of empathy for survivors. I had every right to come forward and I literally placed my life in jeopardy to do so."

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/kavanaugh-accuser-victimized-since-coming-forward-story-she-171504061.html

You'll get neither sympathy or empathy from me toots...

Airing your fantasies, conquests or obsessions in public is, in and of itself, a fetish...

If.............Big if...........What you claim actually happened then you yourself are guilty of several felonies so why bother going public? Attention whoring is best done in dive bars topless but you'd best hurry before the looks you have left fade and that too falls flat on its face..

timosman
10-07-2018, 07:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS6Gw6NVgRg

timosman
10-07-2018, 08:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS1-l4YxLj8

Full movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Whd3YbTLPCc

Brian4Liberty
10-07-2018, 09:09 PM
Brian Banks spent five years in prison after being falsely accused of rape


Brian Banks was 16 years old in the summer of 2002, a 6-foot-2, 220-pound linebacker with speed at powerhouse Long Beach Polytechnic High in Southern California, as promising a football player as any high school kid in the country.

As one of the most highly recruited middle linebackers in the nation, he had a verbal commitment to play on full scholarship for Pete Carroll at USC.
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He was taking summer classes at his high school and left the classroom for what was supposed to be a quick call to a documentary crew preparing a feature on the rivalry with De La Salle High School in Northern California.

"I stepped outside to make the phone call and I ran into a classmate of mine," Banks says.

Her name was Wanetta Gibson. She was a friend. She was 15.

"We met, hugged, started talking and agreed to go to an area on our campus that was known as a make-out area," Banks says. "We went to this area and made out. We never had sex."

By the end of the day, Banks was in custody, accused of raping Gibson on the school's campus. But we never had sex, Banks pleaded. Nobody believed him.

"I was being arrested and accused of kidnapping and rape," he says. "I was taken into custody that same day and the judge put a bail on me that was too high for me to post bond. It was over $1 million."

He languished in juvenile hall for an entire year before his case came up. He was to be tried as an adult and if found guilty, faced 41 years to life. His football dreams effectively died that summer day in the stairwell of his school.
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After turning down three plea deals that would have put him in prison for 25, 18 or nine years, Banks was told on the day of jury selection "that I had no chance in trial because I was a big, black teenager and the jury would be an all-white jury and they would automatically assume me as guilty because of that," Banks says.

Gibson was also black, as was Banks' attorney. As the jury was about to be selected, Banks was offered a deal to plead guilty to one count of rape under the condition that the other charges would be dropped. He would then undergo a 90-day observation at Chino State prison and would be interviewed and evaluated by psychologists and counselors "who would determine on a ladder system whether I would receive probation or three or six years prison," Banks says. "I was promised and guaranteed by my attorney that I would get probation if I took the plea. I was also told that if I didn't take it, I would more than likely be found guilty and receive life in prison."

He was 17 years old. "Do I plead to a crime that I did not commit and receive a small sentence or do I roll the dice, risk my entire life behind bars for a crime I didn't commit?" he says. "I realized that day, regardless of whatever my decision was, neither one of them was going home an innocent man."

All he could think about was getting his life back, going home, playing football, finishing his high school education, enrolling at USC. They put him in a room and gave him 10 minutes to make his decision. He sat there crying. "I was unable to speak to my mom. I was denied that right," he says. "At the age of 17, I felt like 90 days was doable after already spending a year behind bars."

He underwent the 90-day observation. The psychologist and counselor recommended probation. The judge gave him six years.
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After his release in 2007, he moved back in with his mother, a second-grade schoolteacher who had sold her house and car to pay his attorney fees.
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Three years ago, Banks was checking his Facebook account and got a start. He had been home for four years working odd jobs, still carrying the label of sex offender. But there, staring him in the face, was a friend request.
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He asked why she would request him.

"I was hoping we could let bygones be bygones," Banks says Gibson wrote. "I was immature back in the day, but I'm much more mature now. Let's hang out. I'd love to see you. I've seen your picture on Facebook. You look real good. I would love to hook up."
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He invited Wanetta Gibson to the investigator's office. They spoke with the investigator monitoring in another room. Banks wanted her to understand what she did to his life. He asked her to come back the second day to speak to the investigator.

"Did he rape you? Did he kidnap you?" the investigator asked.

Banks said she laughed it off and said, "Of course not. If he raped me, I wouldn't be here right now. We were just young and having a good time, being curious, then all these other people got involved and blew it out of proportion."

It was all on tape. Banks took it to the California Innocence Project, which took his case and appealed it.

One year later, three months before he was to come off parole, Banks was cleared.

On May 24, 2012, the same Los Angeles Superior Court judge who had sentenced Banks to six years in prison when he begrudgingly accepted a plea bargain for a crime he did not commit after he was led to believe he would get probation, took less than one minute to dismiss his conviction.
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More: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/wrongfully-imprisoned-banks-career-nfl-article-1.2090727

Brian4Liberty
10-08-2018, 10:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TzTCWfiRew

CaptUSA
10-08-2018, 10:20 AM
So, this thread is about the #HeToo of false sexual assault, but you could have another whole thread about the #HeToo of sexual harassment claims. As someone who has been a supervisor of opposite sex employees for nearly 3 decades, I can tell you that it happens ALL THE TIME. I'm not sure how prevalent it is percentage-wise, but there are women out there that can turn any dispute or disagreement between males and females into a sexual harassment claim.

Brian4Liberty
10-08-2018, 10:27 AM
Serial rape accuser Sara Ylen of Sanilac County exposed as fraud in recent St. Clair County case
By Gus Burns fburns@mlive.comUpdated Jan 17, 2014; Posted Jan 17, 2014
DETROIT, MI -- Sara Ylen, 38, of Lexington in Sanilac County, has accused more than six men of raping her in her lifetime and put multiple behind bars. For the most recent accusation, she is the one headed to prison.

A jury found Ylen guilty of filing a false police report. She accused two men, whom investigators later determined were working at the time, of beating and raping the mother of two.

She had apparent bruising that wiped off with gauze when she reported the attack several days later and visited a hospital, the Detroit Free Press reports, based on trial testimony.

Due to a conflict of interest stemming from a previous 2003 rape allegation in St. Clair County that has since been overturned, the most recent case was prosecuted by the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office in St. Clair County.

This isn't the first time rape allegations made by Ylen have come into questions.

The Michigan Supreme Court overturned the conviction of James E. Grissom, whom Ylen accused of raping her in a Fort Gratiot Township Meijer parking lot in May of 2001.
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Lies didn't stop with sexual assault claims. Ylen was arrested and charged with six felonies after claiming to have cancer, receiving Hospice care worth $90,000 and raising $10,000 in charitable donations during a fundraiser. Investigators say Ylen's doctors never diagnosed her with cancer and it was just a moneymaking scheme playing on the sympathy of others.


https://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2014/01/serial_rape_accuser_sara_ylen.html

Anti Federalist
10-08-2018, 10:29 AM
So, this thread is about the #HeToo of false sexual assault, but you could have another whole thread about the #HeToo of sexual harassment claims. As someone who has been a supervisor of opposite sex employees for nearly 3 decades, I can tell you that it happens ALL THE TIME. I'm not sure how prevalent it is percentage-wise, but there are women out there that can turn any dispute or disagreement between males and females into a sexual harassment claim.

Post 'em...

Brian4Liberty
10-08-2018, 11:26 AM
‘Fake’ rape victim sentenced to as much as three years behind bars
By Laura Italiano

A young mother who falsely cried rape — sending an innocent man to prison for four years — was sent to prison herself today, for perjury.

“What happened in this case is one of the worst things that can possibly happen in our criminal justice system,” Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Charles Solomon said, in sentencing Biurny Peguero Gonzalez to a term of one to three years.

The sentence means she will be eligible for parole in one year — after serving a quarter of the time served by her victim, William McCaffrey.

It came despite Peguero Gonzalez’s tearful apology to McCaffrey, who was not in court, and her plea for mercy on behalf of her two sons, ages three months and seven years.

“To Mr. McCaffrey, I am aware that nothing I do or say to him can bring back the years he spent in jail,” she said.

“I want him to know I will carry this guilt for the rest of my life.”

Peguero Gonzalez, 27, had recanted last year after new DNA evidence belied her story and a priest she’d confessed to urged her to go to the authorities.

McCaffrey, 33, of The Bronx, spent almost four years in prison after Peguero Gonzalez accused him and two of his friends of raping her at knifepoint on a deserted Bronx street back in 2005.

It was a lie she repeated to doctors, cops, prosecutors, a grand jury, the jury that convicted McCaffrey, and, finally, the judge who sentenced him to what could have been 20 years in prison.

Peguero Gonzalez repeatedly insisted she was “One hundred and ten percent” sure McCaffrey had raped her after they met in Inwood and she drunkenly accepted a ride in his car.

“It was a complete and utter lie,” assistant district attorney Evan Krutoy told Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Charles Solomon.

He asked that she be sentenced to two to six years, “So that there’s a chance that she will serve what he served.”
...

https://nypost.com/2010/02/23/fake-rape-victim-sentenced-to-as-much-as-three-years-behind-bars/

Brian4Liberty
10-08-2018, 11:28 AM
Why this thread? Why these examples? It is a rebuttal to the latest memes coming from the radical feminist left that false accusations almost never happen.

Brian4Liberty
10-08-2018, 11:32 AM
Conor Oberst Opens Up On Effects Of False Rape Accusation: 'I Equate It to Getting In a Car Crash'

Conor Oberst is still reeling from the false rape accusation against him that made headlines in early 2014, a life-altering event he compares to "getting in a car crash" in a new interview with Noisey.

"When something like that -- something random and terrible -- happens to you, it's like… At this point I equate it to getting in a car crash or getting struck by f--king lightning," explains the 37-year-old singer. "I don't feel like there's ever complete closure to something like that in the sense that you carry the psychological things with you."

Oberst was blindsided in the last few days of 2013 when a woman accused him of raping her a decade earlier after a concert for Oberst's band, Bright Eyes. The woman, who first made the accusation in the comments section of the now defunct women's site xoJane, later retracted her statement in an apology letter.
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More: https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/7897942/conor-oberst-effects-false-rape-accusation-car-crash


On Monday, Joanie Faircloth issued a notarized statement retracting accusations she made against singer Conor Oberst in December 2013.

"The statements I made and repeated online and elsewhere over the past six months accusing Conor Oberst of raping me are 100% false. I made up those lies about him to get attention while I was going through a difficult period in my life and trying to cope with my son's illness. I publicly retract my statements about Conor Oberst, and sincerely apologize to him, his family, and his fans for writing such awful things about him. I realize that my actions were wrong and could undermine the claims of actual sexual assault victims and for that I also apologize. I'm truly sorry for all the pain that I caused."

Faircloth had accused Oberst of assaulting her a decade ago in the comments of an xoJane story published last year. In a statement accompanying Faircloth's retraction Monday, Oberst's publicist said "Ms. Faircloth had no physical contact with Mr. Oberst at the Durham, NC show she claimed was the location of the alleged sexual assault."
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More: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jtes/woman-who-accused-conor-oberst-of-rape-i-made-up-those-lies

CaptUSA
10-08-2018, 12:09 PM
Post 'em...

Hard to find em on the web, but there are all sorts of websites about what to do if it happens to you. It's happened to me, and when I share my story, I find many men have gone through something similar, it just doesn't get the same attention. Here's an old article with a few examples: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1998-04-20-9804200161-story.html


Ted Johnson, an Amtrak supervisor from Country Club Hills, was trying to discipline a subordinate when he found himself in a shouting match with the worker and the worker's girlfriend. Five days later, the girlfriend filed a complaint of sexual harassment against him. The charge was dropped after a brief investigation, Johnson said, but he was fired for breach of the company's employee conduct guidelines. He was out of work for 22 months.

Jim, who asked that his last name not be used, was a sales executive whose assistant had started spending too much time on personal phone calls and too little taking care of business. After a number of warnings, she was fired. The next day, he said, she returned to the office brandishing a copy of a sexual harassment claim she had filed with the Illinois Department of Human Rights.

Although Jim ultimately was vindicated--the assistant had admitted to co-workers the charges against him were unfounded--the cloud of suspicion has never lifted. He was humiliated in front of his family, he has been the butt of continuing jokes, and his relationship with his boss has never been the same. He is now switching jobs, to an industry where no one knows him.


Walter (not his real name) was a manager for a cosmetics firm when he was summoned to the corner office and was told a female colleague had complained he propositioned her more than two years earlier. The woman had recently been demoted for poor performance and apparently felt Walter was to blame, although he was not her supervisor. Walter, who strenuously denied the allegation, was fired; it took him six months to find another job, for considerably lower pay.

"It also took a toll on his marriage," said employment attorney Laurie Wasserman said. "He and his wife separated. And I think that's very typical. How do you convince your wife that you didn't do it--or that you need to spend your life savings defending yourself?"

Swordsmyth
10-08-2018, 08:21 PM
Liberals on TV and social media said repeatedly during the Senate confirmation process that only 2 percent of charges are lies — meaning there likely would be truth in the majority of such charges, such as that of Christine Blasey Ford, who accused now-Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/brett-m-kavanaugh/) of sexually assaulting her 36 years ago.
Brent E. Turvey (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/brent-e-turvey/), a criminologist, wrote a 2017 book that dispels this notion. His research, and that of two co-authors, cited statistical studies and police crime reports. One academic study showed that as many as 40 percent of sexual assault charges are false. Mr. Turvey (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/brent-e-turvey/) wrote that the FBI in the 1990s pegged the falsity rate at 8 percent for rape or attempted rape complaints.
“There is no shortage of politicians, victims’ advocates and news articles claiming that the nationwide false report for rape and sexual assault is almost nonexistent, presenting a figure of around 2 percent,” writes Mr. Turvey (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/brent-e-turvey/), who directs the Forensic Criminology Institute. “This figure is not only inaccurate, but also it has no basis in reality. Reporting it publicly as a valid frequency rate with any empirical basis is either scientifically negligent or fraudulent.”
A recent study supports this assessment. The Pentagon issues an annual report on sexual assaults in the military. Nearly one-quarter of all cases last year were thrown out for lack of evidence, according to a report released in May.
“It appears that die-hard opponents of Kavanaugh (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/brett-m-kavanaugh/) have invented a narrative to imply that false accusations hardly ever happen,” said Elaine Donnelly, who directs the Center for Military Readiness.
“You see where they are going with this,” she said. “Any man who doubts Ford is hostile to women experiencing abuse, who make accusations truthfully 90 to 98 percent of the time. This is why hard data from the Pentagon, which shows rates of false accusations averaging 18 percent in annual reports since 2009, is important.”
Women’s advocates say that an unfounded case doesn’t necessarily mean the accuser was lying.
The National Sexual Violence Resource Center puts the false report rate at 2 percent to 10 percent.

“Research shows that rates of false reporting are frequently inflated, in part because of inconsistent definitions and protocols, or a weak understanding of sexual assault,” the center said.


The Obama administration ordered the military to wipe out sexual crimes, leading the Pentagon to improve one of the most extensive sex-crime-tracking studies in the country from the Defense Department’s sexual assault prevention and response office. The campaign’s objective was to spur more personnel to report assaults — which they have.
The statistics on unfounded cases are contained in an appendix of 3,567 cases last year. Of those, 729 cases were dropped because of “insufficient evidence” that a crime was committed. Another 79 were deemed “unfounded” at the command/legal review level. The total — 808 — represents 23 percent of all cases that year.
Mrs. Donnelly said the Defense Department office, up until 2015, classified those two categories of cases — insufficient evidence during the investigation or at the command level — as “unfounded.”
She said the rate of unfounded complaints jumped from 13 percent in 2009 to 26 percent in 2016 and fell to 23 percent last year.
Mr. Turvey (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/brent-e-turvey/)’s 2017 book, “False Allegations: Investigative and Forensic Issues in Fraudulent Reports of Crime,” looked at a range of bogus reporting, including on rape and sexual assault. He examined existing studies and police statistics.
“False reports happen, they are recurrent and there are laws in place to deal with them when they do,” he wrote. “They are, for lack of a better word, common.”
Mr. Turvey (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/brent-e-turvey/) quotes a study by researcher Edward Greer, past president of the Association American Law Schools. He traced the one and only source for the “2 percent” assertion to a 1975 book, “Against Our Will: Men, Women and Rape,” which quoted statistics from New York City, not from across the nation.
Mr. Turvey (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/brent-e-turvey/) cites 10 studies that debunk the 2 percent assertion in the U.S. and abroad.
“The power of any lie is equal only to our desire to believe it,” Mr. Turvey (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/brent-e-turvey/) wrote. “Specifically, our need and eagerness to believe it. This is the problem with belief — which is accepting something as true or correct without proof.”

More at: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/7/false-sex-assault-reports-not-rare-reported-studie/

Brian4Liberty
10-08-2018, 08:51 PM
Liberals on TV and social media said repeatedly during the Senate confirmation process that only 2 percent of charges are lies — meaning there likely would be truth in the majority of such charges, such as that of Christine Blasey Ford, who accused now-Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/brett-m-kavanaugh/) of sexually assaulting her 36 years ago.
Brent E. Turvey (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/brent-e-turvey/), a criminologist, wrote a 2017 book that dispels this notion. His research, and that of two co-authors, cited statistical studies and police crime reports. One academic study showed that as many as 40 percent of sexual assault charges are false. Mr. Turvey (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/brent-e-turvey/) wrote that the FBI in the 1990s pegged the falsity rate at 8 percent for rape or attempted rape complaints.
“There is no shortage of politicians, victims’ advocates and news articles claiming that the nationwide false report for rape and sexual assault is almost nonexistent, presenting a figure of around 2 percent,” writes Mr. Turvey (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/brent-e-turvey/), who directs the Forensic Criminology Institute. “This figure is not only inaccurate, but also it has no basis in reality. Reporting it publicly as a valid frequency rate with any empirical basis is either scientifically negligent or fraudulent.”
A recent study supports this assessment. The Pentagon issues an annual report on sexual assaults in the military. Nearly one-quarter of all cases last year were thrown out for lack of evidence, according to a report released in May.
“It appears that die-hard opponents of Kavanaugh (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/brett-m-kavanaugh/) have invented a narrative to imply that false accusations hardly ever happen,” said Elaine Donnelly, who directs the Center for Military Readiness.
“You see where they are going with this,” she said. “Any man who doubts Ford is hostile to women experiencing abuse, who make accusations truthfully 90 to 98 percent of the time. This is why hard data from the Pentagon, which shows rates of false accusations averaging 18 percent in annual reports since 2009, is important.”
Women’s advocates say that an unfounded case doesn’t necessarily mean the accuser was lying.
The National Sexual Violence Resource Center puts the false report rate at 2 percent to 10 percent.

“Research shows that rates of false reporting are frequently inflated, in part because of inconsistent definitions and protocols, or a weak understanding of sexual assault,” the center said.


The Obama administration ordered the military to wipe out sexual crimes, leading the Pentagon to improve one of the most extensive sex-crime-tracking studies in the country from the Defense Department’s sexual assault prevention and response office. The campaign’s objective was to spur more personnel to report assaults — which they have.
The statistics on unfounded cases are contained in an appendix of 3,567 cases last year. Of those, 729 cases were dropped because of “insufficient evidence” that a crime was committed. Another 79 were deemed “unfounded” at the command/legal review level. The total — 808 — represents 23 percent of all cases that year.
Mrs. Donnelly said the Defense Department office, up until 2015, classified those two categories of cases — insufficient evidence during the investigation or at the command level — as “unfounded.”
She said the rate of unfounded complaints jumped from 13 percent in 2009 to 26 percent in 2016 and fell to 23 percent last year.
Mr. Turvey (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/brent-e-turvey/)’s 2017 book, “False Allegations: Investigative and Forensic Issues in Fraudulent Reports of Crime,” looked at a range of bogus reporting, including on rape and sexual assault. He examined existing studies and police statistics.
“False reports happen, they are recurrent and there are laws in place to deal with them when they do,” he wrote. “They are, for lack of a better word, common.”
Mr. Turvey (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/brent-e-turvey/) quotes a study by researcher Edward Greer, past president of the Association American Law Schools. He traced the one and only source for the “2 percent” assertion to a 1975 book, “Against Our Will: Men, Women and Rape,” which quoted statistics from New York City, not from across the nation.
Mr. Turvey (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/brent-e-turvey/) cites 10 studies that debunk the 2 percent assertion in the U.S. and abroad.
“The power of any lie is equal only to our desire to believe it,” Mr. Turvey (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/brent-e-turvey/) wrote. “Specifically, our need and eagerness to believe it. This is the problem with belief — which is accepting something as true or correct without proof.”

More at: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/7/false-sex-assault-reports-not-rare-reported-studie/

There is no way to know. Anyone who claims to know either does not understand statistics or is lying.

Even going by the very narrow category of incidents reported to the Police, there is nothing that guarantees that the truth will ever be found, either by the Police or via a full judicial process. There is simply no way to always accurately determine objective truth.

enhanced_deficit
10-09-2018, 01:10 PM
To be fair, "men are to be believed" too:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xF0r8D-OmA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xF0r8D-OmA

https://steemitimages.com/0x0/https://scrappy.i.ipfs.io/ipfs/QmNmSJbjZKB5b19Qx2ACmb8YpQXCAtf1tRt8Fqk2QYvMkN






Un-Related

William Morris Endeavor
WME-IMG Forming Political Action Committee for Donald Trump Era

Emanuel has connections on both sides of the political aisle. He once served as Trump’s agent and visited the President-elect (https://variety.com/2016/biz/news/donald-trump-ari-emanuel-meeting-new-jersey-1201923158/) after his victory over Hillary Clinton, but before the Republican took office on Jan. 20. Emanuel declined to disclose what he and his former client talked about at the November meeting, which took place at a Trump’s golf course in New Jersey. Emanuel also contributed to Clinton’s campaign and he is the brother of Democrat Rahm Emanuel, the current mayor of Chicago and President Barack Obama’s former chief of staff. Trump donated $50,000 to Rahm Emanuel’s 2010 Chicago mayoral campaign.

https://variety.com/2017/biz/news/ari-emanuel-wme-trump-political-action-committee-1201981545/

Swordsmyth
10-09-2018, 03:33 PM
This belongs here.



WOMEN WHO LIED ABOUT SEXUAL ASSAULT

Remember the Scottsboro boys?
October 9, 2018 Paul Kengor

Reprinted from Spectator.org.

Over the weekend, a throng of angry protesters gathered outside the Capitol Building with signs and t-shirts touting a new battle cry: BELIEVE WOMEN. It’s a slogan that took off with the #MeToo movement, but it’s in hyperdrive right now.

The left found this slogan useful in serving its latest political purpose: an attempted takedown of Brett Kavanaugh. According to the new mantra, women never lie about sexual abuse, and thus anything and everything that Christine Blasey Ford alleged of Brett Kavanaugh was, ipso facto, accurate. Every charge she leveled must be believed, because women do not lie about sexual assault.

Well, here I would like to interject to remind liberals of one of their favorite historical morality tales: What about the case of the Scottsboro boys? And therein, what about Victoria Price and Ruby Bates?

Recall, liberals, that this has been one of your sacred cows for many decades. As a public service, I herewith share the story:

On March 25, 1931, two white women, Victoria Price and Ruby Bates, claimed that they had been gang-raped by nine black teens along the railroad from Chattanooga to Memphis. The boys had hopped a train ride, as had the two girls, who were with two white boys. A fight broke out inside the train car, with the white boys tossed off, leaving the white girls and black boys together. The white boys informed the nearest stationmaster that they had been in a fight with the black boys. The stationmaster took quick action. At the next stop, a town called Paint Rock, Alabama, a militia/posse took the law into their hands and “arrested” the black boys, transporting them to jail cells in nearby Scottsboro. The charge was that they had raped the white girls.

As news spread, enraged whites gathered outside the jail, ready to form a lynch mob. The governor of Alabama called in the National Guard.

Local authorities promised the seething vigilantes that justice would be hastily served, guaranteeing quick trials and verdicts. On cue, five days later, on March 30, 1931, an all-white jury indicted the nine boys, and the trial began shortly thereafter.

Thus ensued a whirlwind of complications, from miscarriages of justice to incompetence to retractions. The attorneys who defended the boys were judged too old or too drunk. The boys themselves did not always help their cause: one alleged that everyone was guilty except for himself; two others confessed but later withdrew their admissions, saying they had confessed under physical duress; and the remaining six pleaded innocence.

Not calming the storm was a racist jury, eager to execute the boys. Even as the prosecution argued that the youngest should get life in prison rather than capital punishment, the whites pressed for the gallows for the entire group. All were convicted and sentenced to death.

The story was far from over. A mistrial was declared, appeals were rapidly set in motion, and newspapers began reporting that the two girls were not pure lambs but, rather, Tennessee prostitutes. Yes, prostitutes.

A second round of trials commenced in March 1933.

In the most sensational development of the second trial, Ruby Bates recanted her earlier testimony, claiming she and Victoria Price had not been raped, and had concocted their story out of fear they might be charged for a federal crime because they had crossed state lines while practicing an “immoral” form of business with the white boys; the prosecution contended that Bates was lying, and had been paid off. The jury again voted for conviction, but the judge vetoed.

The case of the Scottsboro boys became a crusade and cause célèbre for the left, especially the communist left. Communists adopted the Scottsboro case as a major campaign to recruit blacks to Communist Party USA. In one particular instance, their success was sensational: CPUSA’s cynical Scottsboro campaign caught the attention and began drawing into the Communist Party a young journalist and editor in Atlanta named Frank Marshall Davis, who decades later would become a mentor to a Hawaiian adolescent named Barack Obama. Yes, Barack Obama, America’s first black president. (I address this in great detail in my biography of Davis, The Communist.)

The American left insisted on the innocence of the black boys accused of sexual assault. The left insisted that the two women had lied about the sexual assault. You could not believe the women.

So, how does this square with the left’s BELIEVE WOMEN movement today? What does a righteous progressive do with the Scottsboro case now, given the new refrain that women never lie about sexual assault? How to reconcile the Scottsboro boys with the Ford-Kavanaugh case?

Well, truth be told, with the ideological perversities and pathologies of the left, this one can be (partly) tidied up with some nifty identity-racial politics. Here you go: the Scottsboro boys were black men, whereas Brett Kavanaugh is a white man, and a pro-life white man, and a conservative Catholic, and seeking to fill a crucial Supreme Court seat that could threaten the left’s holy grail: Roe v. Wade. Thus, Kavanaugh is a complete reprobate, never to be believed. By contrast, on the left’s ideological totem pole, the Scottsboro boys assume, by nature of their skin color, an elevated victim status that compels them to be believed, just as Kavanaugh’s position at the bottom rung of the pole (near the slimy pond scum) demands a verdict of presumed guilt.

For the confused, or unanointed, just ask a Millennial college grad. This is what your children learn in our universities with your life savings. This is the price you pay for their indoctrination.

But while those curious mental gyrations help a liberal navigate how and why Brett Kavanaugh must be presumed guilty and the Scottsboro boys presumed innocent, it does leave the messy problem of what to do with the left’s new dogma that women never lie about sexual assault.

Again, what about Victoria Price and Ruby Bates?

Yes, yes, I know — they were white southerners. That’s a definite bottom-dweller on the totem pole. But still, they were women. And women, we are told, quite categorically, must always be believed. And one of these two women admitted to lying. Both, at one point, reportedly lied about being raped.

So, liberals, especially those of you dominating our universities, how will you reevaluate the Scottsboro case in light of your new-fangled political sloganeering in October 2018? I’d like to be in the Gender Theory classroom at Swarthmore or Yale when the gals take up that one. Then again, maybe not.


https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/271574/women-who-lied-about-sexual-assault-paul-kengor?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

Swordsmyth
10-09-2018, 06:56 PM
A professor at the University of Southern California has come under fire after sending a reply-all email last week to the student body stating "accusers sometimes lie."
"If the day comes you are accused of some crime or tort of which you are not guilty, and you find your peers automatically believing your accuser, I expect you find yourself a stronger proponent of due process than you are now," Professor James Moore wrote in the email. "Accusers sometimes lie."
According to Toni Airaksinen of PJ Media (https://pjmedia.com/trending/students-demand-professor-fired-after-he-champions-due-process-says-accusers-sometimes-lie/), Moore’s email was in response to a "Believe All Survivors" email and led to "hundreds" of emails from students and alumni who were concerned.

Nearly 100 students reportedly attended a rally called "Times Up for James Moore" on Monday in protest of Moore — who is tenured — demanding that he be fired.
The students marched to Dean Jack Knott’s office who later addressed the crowd, telling them, "What [Professor Moore] sent was extremely inappropriate, hurtful, and insensitive. We are going to try to do everything we can to try to create a better school, to educate the faulty."
Knott also announced USC would take action, including having a faculty meeting "around implicit bias, sensitivity towards [sexual assault]..."

More at: https://www.dailywire.com/news/36804/students-call-usc-professor-be-fired-saying-kassy-dillon

phill4paul
10-09-2018, 06:58 PM
The students marched to Dean Jack Knott’s office who later addressed the crowd, telling them, "What [Professor Moore] sent was extremely inappropriate, hurtful, and insensitive.

Truth is treason in an Empire of lies.

Danke
10-09-2018, 07:59 PM
"What [Professor Moore] sent was extremely inappropriate, hurtful, and insensitive."

Yep, this is why AF and Oyarde need to be banned.

Swordsmyth
04-01-2019, 02:49 PM
NBC News found evidence Julie Swetnick’s allegations were a bogus attempt to smear and destroy a sitting Supreme Court Justice, and they didn’t report it because they felt it was not “Newsworthy.” (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/nbc-reporter-tries-fails-to-explain-why-she-sat-on-exculpatory-kavanaugh-evidence)

Brian4Liberty
04-01-2019, 04:20 PM
Creepy Uncle Joe Biden says he believes women.

Kind of ironic how so many on the left who felt that hazy, unsubstantiated accusations against Kavanaugh were disqualifiers, but now it’s just a blanket “oh, that’s just how Joe is, he’s very affectionate, it would be terrible to disqualify him because of this.”

timosman
04-01-2019, 04:23 PM
Creepy Uncle Joe Biden says he believes women.

Kind of ironic how so many on the left who felt that hazy, unsubstantiated accusations against Kavanaugh were disqualifiers, but now it’s just a blanket “oh, that’s just how Joe is, he’s very affectionate, it would be terrible to disqualify him because of this.”

If the left didn't have double standards they wouldn't have any.

Origanalist
11-14-2019, 03:49 PM
Lots of F bombs in the video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REFZ-BA1c_Y