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juleswin
10-04-2018, 03:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiObm7dtcyA

The circus that has surrounded the Bret Kavanaugh nomination to the U.S. Supreme Court has been drowned out by 36 year old, uncorroborated accusations of sexual harassment.
But the truth is that Kavanaugh's record demonstrates that he is not a constitutionalist and has acted as an enemy to the 4th and 5th Amendments.

Ben Swann knocks it out of the park again. Watch and enjoy

nikcers
10-04-2018, 03:18 PM
This is why we can't win anything. Why can't anyone think of any emotional arguments we can use?

juleswin
10-04-2018, 03:20 PM
This is why we can't win anything. Why can't anyone think of any emotional arguments we can use?

The dems tried and unlike with Roy Moore, it seems like it has backfired on themn.

nikcers
10-04-2018, 03:28 PM
The dems tried and unlike with Roy Moore, it seems like it has backfired on themn.

There was less opposition to the emotional arguments with Roy Moore. The establishment republicans didn't want Moore.

Madison320
10-04-2018, 04:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiObm7dtcyA

The circus that has surrounded the Bret Kavanaugh nomination to the U.S. Supreme Court has been drowned out by 36 year old, uncorroborated accusations of sexual harassment.
But the truth is that Kavanaugh's record demonstrates that he is not a constitutionalist and has acted as an enemy to the 4th and 5th Amendments.

Ben Swann knocks it out of the park again. Watch and enjoy

I agree. I think it'd be funny if they nominated a real constitutionalist like Napolitano. The democrats would be begging for Kavanaugh if that happened. "Hey we were only kidding!" "Kavanaugh would be great!"

bunklocoempire
10-04-2018, 04:20 PM
Imagine that. Swann suggesting a site of battle and tactics, friendly to promoting the Constitution. The nerve!
Swann is going to totally blow Trump's judo politics moves to promote the Constitution!!
My children will have to live in this world! He has no idea how much is on the line!!!! :rolleyes:


Thanks for posting. I'll check it out on Swann's minds channel when it shows up later.

https://www.minds.com/benswann

spudea
10-04-2018, 04:34 PM
So Rand is voting yes. Rand is the swamp and this entire forum needs to turn against him. Change my mind.

bunklocoempire
10-04-2018, 04:38 PM
I agree. I think it'd be funny if they nominated a real constitutionalist like Napolitano. The democrats would be begging for Kavanaugh if that happened. "Hey we were only kidding!" "Kavanaugh would be great!"


Not just funny, but practical and wise.

Practical and wise is not on the 3 x 5 card of allowable opinion.

Easy? Sure. Kicking the can down the road? Oh yes, also on the 3 x 5 card.

CaptUSA
10-04-2018, 04:39 PM
Good job, Ben Swann.

juleswin
10-04-2018, 04:41 PM
So Rand is voting yes. Rand is the swamp and this entire forum needs to turn against him. Change my mind.

You do know that it was Rand who made the focal point of his presidential run the defense of the 4th amendment. While other candidates were talking about immigration, Russia and the economy, he was busy telling us how he would defend us from the NSA accessing our cellphones. Now he is all of a sudden ok with voting for a candidate whose main flaw is his disregard of the 4th amendment.

Also, Rand is the one who has supported stealing of Syrian, Iraqi and Turkish land for the Kurds, not very non interventionist. My point here is that he is not prefect and he is the best thing we got. Sadly, that is also the selling point for Judge Kavanaugh cos we all know that Trump is never going to nominate anyone who was in favor of preserving the 4th amendment. Sorry folks but Judge Nap was never in consideration.

jkr
10-04-2018, 04:45 PM
Agree.
the fake rape is a distraction for just this.

completely unqualified

We f*** either way

bunklocoempire
10-04-2018, 05:17 PM
So Rand is voting yes. Rand is the swamp and this entire forum needs to turn against him. Change my mind.

Oh, that catch phrase. Take it from a two time W Bush voter, YOU can change your mind, I can't.

Do what your own conscience allows you to. Hone your own conscience at your own risk/reward.

Does Rand ever prick consciences and challenge the lies? Yes he does.

Is pricking conscience the greatest changer (positive and recurring) of men's minds? Yes it is.

Is a single mind changed more important than a country going down?
Out of the many, one.

Need the many, INDIVIDUALLY honed consciences, FIRST.

dannno
10-04-2018, 05:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aenHO5KHpRQ

Swordsmyth
10-04-2018, 05:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aenHO5KHpRQ

WHY IS HE SUPPORTING KAVANAUGH?:mad:


:rolleyes:

dannno
10-04-2018, 05:36 PM
WHY IS HE SUPPORTING KAVANAUGH?:mad:


:rolleyes:

Ya, and I can prove it mathematically..

He only had 3 reasons why Kavanaugh shouldn't be SCOTUS and 8 reasons why Christine Blasey Ford is not a credible witness.

8 - 3 = 5 !!!!

Anti Globalist
10-04-2018, 05:46 PM
Part of me hopes he doesn't get confirmed so that a much more liberty minded candidate gets nominated but I highly doubt thats going to happen. I pretty much accepted that he'll be on the SCOTUS.

bunklocoempire
10-04-2018, 06:16 PM
WHY IS HE SUPPORTING KAVANAUGH?:mad:


:rolleyes:


Where is the revealed comedic truth that you were shooting for?

Ben Swann supports ideas best as he can, close as I can figure, and not just the lesser of two evils.

Maybe check out his work over the past years, it might inspire you.

Ron Paul has some good stuff too, you should check him out.

Swordsmyth
10-04-2018, 06:19 PM
Where is the revealed comedic truth that you were shooting for?

Ben Swann supports ideas best as he can, close as I can figure, and not just the lesser of two evils.

Maybe check out his work over the past years, it might inspire you.

Ron Paul has some good stuff too, you should check him out.

My comment was aimed at all the posters who accused everyone who attacked the Demoncrats over Ford & Co.'s lies of "supporting Kavanaugh in spite of his 4thA problems".

dannno
10-04-2018, 06:20 PM
Where is the revealed comedic truth that you were shooting for?

Ben Swann supports ideas best as he can, close as I can figure, and not just the lesser of two evils.

Maybe check out his work over the past years, it might inspire you.

Ron Paul has some good stuff too, you should check him out.

Swordsmyth has been continually attacked here for defending Kavanaugh on the sexual allegations, despite the fact he has voiced his concerns and is not that thrilled with the pick.

Ben Swann did the same thing, and the same people who are attacking Swordsmyth are saying what a great guy Ben Swann is.

Brian4Liberty
10-04-2018, 06:35 PM
Serious question. This is not a dig at Ben Swann, but at the “liberty” movement in general.

Why didn’t Ben Swann release this on July 4th (before Kavanaugh was nominated) instead of Oct 4th? This is a day late and a dollar short as they say.

The liberty movement has always had this problem. The neocons and establishment are way out ahead whenever there is an opening or election. Early on, they are demonizing the opppostion, and pushing their candidates to the front of the line.

“Hey! There’s an opening on the Supreme Court.”

Swamp: “great, here’s a list of 10 people, and we are going to start promoting our favorite 3.”
Liberty movement: “wow, hope we get someone good.” or “who cares, it won’t make a difference.”

POTUS picks from the only list he has, the swamp list.
Swamp: “time to put on a fake dog and pony show until the final vote.”
Liberty movement: “let us look into this pick” or “it’s all a fake show anyway”.

Day before the vote:
Swamp: “it was the most dramatic race in history, and we are all happy that it was a thorough process.”
Liberty movement: “hey, this person is bad on some key issues, it’s not the best choice, look at this research!” or “told you so, it’s all fake and hopeless”.

juleswin
10-04-2018, 06:38 PM
My comment was aimed at all the posters who accused everyone who attacked the Demoncrats over Ford & Co.'s lies of "supporting Kavanaugh in spite of his 4thA problems".

Its sucks that people would say that about members who opposed the dems witch hunt against Kavanaugh.

Swordsmyth
10-04-2018, 06:38 PM
Serious question. This is not a dig at Ben Swann, but at the “liberty” movement in general.

Why didn’t Ben Swann release this on July 4th (before Kavanaugh was nominated) instead of Oct 4th? This is a day late and a dollar short as they say.

The liberty movement has always had this problem. The neocons and establishment are way out ahead whenever there is an opening or election. Early on, they are demonizing the opppostion, and pushing their candidates to the front of the line.

“Hey! There’s an opening on the Supreme Court.”

Swamp: “great, here’s a list of 10 people, and we are going to start promoting our favorite 3.”
Liberty movement: “wow, hope we get someone good.” or “who cares, it won’t make a difference.”

POTUS picks from the only list he has, the swamp list.
Swamp: “time to put on a fake dog and pony show until the final vote.”
Liberty movement: “let us look into this pick” or “it’s all a fake show anyway”.

Day before the vote:
Swamp: “it was the most dramatic race in history, and we are all happy that it was a thorough process.”
Liberty movement: “hey, this person is bad on some key issues, it’s not the best choice, look at this research!” or “told you so, it’s all fake and hopeless”.

Any time before now would have been better, right after the nomination it might have been possible to get enough Republicans to oppose him to get Lee instead.

juleswin
10-04-2018, 06:41 PM
Serious question. This is not a dig at Ben Swann, but at the “liberty” movement in general.

Why didn’t Ben Swann release this on July 4th (before Kavanaugh was nominated) instead of Oct 4th? This is a day late and a dollar short as they say.

The liberty movement has always had this problem. The neocons and establishment are way out ahead whenever there is an opening or election. Early on, they are demonizing the opppostion, and pushing their candidates to the front of the line.

“Hey! There’s an opening on the Supreme Court.”

Swamp: “great, here’s a list of 10 people, and we are going to start promoting our favorite 3.”
Liberty movement: “wow, hope we get someone good.” or “who cares, it won’t make a difference.”

POTUS picks from the only list he has, the swamp list.
Swamp: “time to put on a fake dog and pony show until the final vote.”
Liberty movement: “let us look into this pick” or “it’s all a fake show anyway”.

Day before the vote:
Swamp: “it was the most dramatic race in history, and we are all happy that it was a thorough process.”
Liberty movement: “hey, this person is bad on some key issues, it’s not the best choice, look at this research!” or “told you so, it’s all fake and hopeless”.

This is not a bombshell, this issues has been talked about my many people. Judge Napolitano, Rand Paul had concerns which seems to have disappeared. This was actually not a September surprise unlike the Ford accusation.

bunklocoempire
10-04-2018, 07:33 PM
Swordsmyth has been continually attacked here for defending Kavanaugh on the sexual allegations, despite the fact he has voiced his concerns and is not that thrilled with the pick.

Ben Swann did the same thing, and the same people who are attacking Swordsmyth are saying what a great guy Ben Swann is.

So why quote me? Were my words especially hurty?

Do you see conscience pricking as an attack? Obviously.

Ben Swann isn't misleading people, regarding man's nature, when it comes to men holding power over other men.

Swann reports, warts and all. There is no mixed message.

Do you hone or dull your conscience, dannno? Do you help others hone their own? No, I don't believe a crisis of faith (any) is appealing to you.
It sure isn't to me. Wait, wut? Isn't that like using hurty words on myself? How does that work?


LOL that guy needs to learn how to relax...
No, I don't believe a crisis of faith is appealing to ss, either.


My conscience would be just fine with throwing some people from helicopters to protect myself and everyone else, there are enough of us that the left will be very sorry if they start the war.


Congress delegated the power, nowhere in the Constitution are they empowered to delegate their powers but they have done so with many of their powers.
They should either undo the delegation or amend the Constitution to delegate the power, until they do the President should use it to undo the damage that has been done to the country.

If you're not here to inspire or dare, it's all pretty pointless IMO.

Again, I'm a two times W Bush voter, that had his conscience pricked and pursued the honing route. Never done with the honing.

If you came to RPF in humility, you understand how this works.

What humbles you dannno? What inspiration to keep on keeping on, can you share with me?

What else feels like an attack of words, what harsh's your buzz, dannno?

How should I react to a crisis of faith? Should I even be having one?

All completely avoidable. Don't quote me unless you're going to inspire me or raise the bar.

If you post something that lowers the bar, deal with the reaction.

Ender
10-04-2018, 11:19 PM
This article is what I've been saying from the beginning of this mess.


Kavanaugh The Swamp Creature
By Luis P. Almeida

October 5, 2018

Brett Kavanaugh will be confirmed as the next Supreme Court Justice perhaps as soon as the end of this week. The Republicans have the votes and it is highly likely that at least two Democratic Senators from Red states will cross the aisle and vote in favor of confirming him. All of the antics we witnessed in Washington D.C. over the past few weeks have been nothing but political mise en scene, the Republicans always had the votes and it should have been evident to everyone that the Democrats were simply delaying the inevitable in an effort to rally their base.

It is quite a shame that the country was torn apart during the process around allegations that happened three decades ago when the nation could have been debating topics of real substance. Topics that actually reflect on how Kavanaugh will perform his duties on the nation’s highest court. Information such as the fact that he leaked information regarding Grand Jury proceedings during the Vince Foster investigation and that he in effect helped cover up Vince Foster’s murder. Leaking information on a secret judicial process or aiding and abetting criminals is infinitely more relevant than his high school drinking habits, yet we heard almost nothing about it over the past few weeks.

Instead of debating these very meaningful topics, society was once again cleaved by wedge issues such as abortion and feminism. Women wearing costumes out of The Handmaids Tale held up signs claiming that women would lose the right to abort pregnancies the minute that Kavanaugh took his seat on the Supreme Court Bench. Others confronted Jeff Flake in an elevator screaming at him that they too were victims and that white men were not respecting their rights and the root cause of all evil. The debate sank so low that a professor at Georgetown University called for the “miserable deaths” and castration of entitled white Republican senators. If that’s not bad enough those statements were made without one ounce of criticism from the administration of what many consider to be such a prestigious institution. In the environment that this “debate” created, Senators had to be escorted through crowds of demonstrators yelling bloody murder. Rather than rationally discussing issues of substance the American people were once again cleaved apart along race and gender lines. One has to wonder whether this is not really the objective of those controlling the debate because certainly it wasn’t about whether or not Kavanaugh would be an effective Supreme Court Justice.

Had we not been forced to deal with the fabricated issues our attention would have been drawn to the fact that Kavanaugh has been neck deep in D.C. politics since graduating from Yale. His first job in DC was to serve as a clerk to Ken Starr. He then followed Ken Starr when Starr became head of the White House’s Office of Independent Council. After the 2000 election he joined George Bush Jr’s administration as White House Staff Secretary. Working in the Bush II administration is when Kavanaugh’s behavior really became concerning. During his time at the White House and prior to being appointed to the US Court of Appeals, Kavanaugh supported and assisted the effort to pass the Patriot Act. His involvement was such that a statement he drafted was incorporated in the bill signed by Bush. Recent documents made public via a FOIA request also show that Kavanaugh supported and played a role in warrantless wiretapping, and the establishment of “Fusion Centers”. Kavanaugh clearly supported the surveillance state and that should be much more concerning to all of us than whether or not he got in bar fights “back in the day”.

The division, anger and hate appears to actually be benefiting those on the right. During his confirmation process Kavanaugh became a rallying cry for Republicans that saw the process as the modern equivalent of dragging him to the town square and locking him in a pillory. The impact has not been insignificant. Incumbent North Dakota Democrat Senator Heidi Heightcamp is now down ten points in the polls. Others running for office in Red States are equally vulnerable. The public humiliation of Kavanaugh has not sat well with many Americans and according to one poll as many as 60% support his confirmation.

One has to ask themselves why the left did not pursue more valid and dignified criticisms of Kavanaugh than to bring up stories that might or might not have ocurred 30 years ago while he was in high school. Is it because the real criticisms might be just a little bit too close to home? Is it possible that those controlling the Democrat agenda did not want to dredge up information about the shady circumstances surrounding Vince Foster’s death? Would the Dems be in a position to criticize his support of the surveillance state when they have been enabling it for decades? Could it be that in this day and age the both left and right are so monolithic that it becomes hard for one to criticize the other for reasons beyond sexual misconduct, fabricated or not. This certainly does appear to be the case for if there were any difference between the two parties there would have been more substance to the debate.

eleganz
10-04-2018, 11:51 PM
The attitude that libertarians must have everything or nothing at all.

Ok lets say Rand votes no on Kavanaugh, either sinks the nomination or votes no but Pence breaks the tie. Then what? Be the black sheep of the senate, having to rebuild all of his relationships with his colleagues, probably permanently shunned by most. No more party support for issues that he cares for and has support on. Not to mention, no more influence on Trump. Zero chance at auditing the fed, having a voice on foreign policy, health care, taxes.

Basically just throw it all away to appease the what...? The Matt Collins base of idiots? which consist of...no more than...500? 800? 1000? national zero sum game libertarians that rather stroke their own purist egos than to make meaningful incremental progress on workable issues, that which Rand has already been doing?

So, choose one:

Kavanaugh yes / maintain relationship with party and Trump, continuing everything he has proven is achievable.

Kavanaugh no / lose party support, communication with Trump, shunned and possibly even primaried depending on Trump's mood.

And I bet if Rand does get primaried, most none of you guys would give a sht anyway and instead of donating and campaigning, you'd just btch and moan because Rand did X or Y in the past that wasn't enough like his father.

So why TF would he care about your desire to light a match on all of his work thus far?


Serious question. This is not a dig at Ben Swann, but at the “liberty” movement in general.

Why didn’t Ben Swann release this on July 4th (before Kavanaugh was nominated) instead of Oct 4th? This is a day late and a dollar short as they say.

The liberty movement has always had this problem. The neocons and establishment are way out ahead whenever there is an opening or election. Early on, they are demonizing the opppostion, and pushing their candidates to the front of the line.

“Hey! There’s an opening on the Supreme Court.”

Swamp: “great, here’s a list of 10 people, and we are going to start promoting our favorite 3.”
Liberty movement: “wow, hope we get someone good.” or “who cares, it won’t make a difference.”

POTUS picks from the only list he has, the swamp list.
Swamp: “time to put on a fake dog and pony show until the final vote.”
Liberty movement: “let us look into this pick” or “it’s all a fake show anyway”.

Day before the vote:
Swamp: “it was the most dramatic race in history, and we are all happy that it was a thorough process.”
Liberty movement: “hey, this person is bad on some key issues, it’s not the best choice, look at this research!” or “told you so, it’s all fake and hopeless”.

I do agree with this, I remember early on when Trump won, I created a thread trying to get some organization on pushing candidates that we like and build favor with the base before other names started appearing. Nobody cared and its completely understandable and predictable. Libertarian purists rather complain than to, god forbid, actually do something meaningful to effect the change they seek.

As I said earlier, the same people who complain are the same people who won't be there when it counts, because Rand isn't his father.

I used to hate it when party Republicans told me they were pragmatists and that we were the dreamers, probably because I knew they were right. And now I side much more with the pragmatic view over the puritan view.

Swordsmyth
10-04-2018, 11:57 PM
The attitude that libertarians must have everything or nothing at all.

Ok lets say Rand votes no on Kavanaugh, either sinks the nomination or votes no but Pence breaks the tie. Then what? Be the black sheep of the senate, having to rebuild all of his relationships with his colleagues, probably permanently shunned by most. No more party support for issues that he cares for and has support on. Not to mention, no more influence on Trump. Zero chance at auditing the fed.

Basically just throw it all away to appease the what...? Matt Collins base of idiots? which consist of...no more than...1000 national zero sum game libertarians that rather stroke their own purist egos than to make meaningful incremental progress on workable issues, that which Rand has already been doing?

So, choose one:

Kavanaugh yes / maintain relationship with party and Trump, continuing everything he has proven is achievable.

Kavanaugh no / lose party support, communication with Trump, shunned and possibly even primaried depending on Trump's mood.

And I bet if Rand does get primaried, most none of you guys would give a sht anyway and instead of donating and campaigning, you'd just btch and moan because Rand did X or Y in the past that wasn't enough like his father.

So why TF would he care about your desire to light a match on all of his work thus far?
There should be room for both purist "saints" who set the example of perfection that we desire should we ever be the majority and pragmatist opportunists who make incremental progress towards our goals while we have almost no power, Rand is closer to the latter than the former but not by much.

Aratus
10-04-2018, 11:59 PM
Serious question. This is not a dig at Ben Swann, but at the “liberty” movement in general.

Why didn’t Ben Swann release this on July 4th (before Kavanaugh was nominated) instead of Oct 4th? This is a day late and a dollar short as they say.

The liberty movement has always had this problem. The neocons and establishment are way out ahead whenever there is an opening or election. Early on, they are demonizing the opppostion, and pushing their candidates to the front of the line.

“Hey! There’s an opening on the Supreme Court.”

Swamp: “great, here’s a list of 10 people, and we are going to start promoting our favorite 3.”
Liberty movement: “wow, hope we get someone good.” or “who cares, it won’t make a difference.”

POTUS picks from the only list he has, the swamp list.
Swamp: “time to put on a fake dog and pony show until the final vote.”
Liberty movement: “let us look into this pick” or “it’s all a fake show anyway”.

Day before the vote:
Swamp: “it was the most dramatic race in history, and we are all happy that it was a thorough process.”
Liberty movement: “hey, this person is bad on some key issues, it’s not the best choice, look at this research!” or “told you so, it’s all fake and hopeless”.

One Senator has talked about not being at the vote this weekend. Three are fence sitting, they are GOP.
Trump does have the option of a resubmitting of his name, and a longer debate. Anything may happen...

Swordsmyth
10-05-2018, 12:05 AM
One Senator has talked about not being at the vote this weekend. Three are fence sitting, they are GOP.
Trump does have the option of a resubmitting of his name, and a longer debate. Anything may happen...
He could even switch to Lee at the last moment.

eleganz
10-05-2018, 12:07 AM
There should be room for both purist "saints" who set the example of perfection that we desire should we ever be the majority and pragmatist opportunists who make incremental progress towards our goals while we have almost no power, Rand is closer to the latter than the former but not by much.

Doubt we'll ever get a shot at having a majority, and its even less possible with the zero sum mindset. Thats why libertarianism is DEAD, nobody wants to support a movement that shoots down every attempt to grow the tent, as opposed to keeping the tent the exact same size, only to force it's diminishment.

I know this because I am also guilty of this in the past, when I was at my peak GOP activism phase, I (and most other libertarians) went in knowingly ideologically hostile and not actually wanting a majority or working towards it. A lot of people here don't understand that having influence with the GOP is having their respect and the faith that both sides of the view can come together to compromise and support the party. My way or the high way gets no way.

Swordsmyth
10-05-2018, 12:14 AM
Doubt we'll ever get a shot at having a majority,
It would take quite some time, perhaps multiple lifetimes, I was just pointing out the theoretical purpose of the "saints".


and its even less possible with the zero sum mindset. Thats why libertarianism is DEAD, nobody wants to support a movement that shoots down every attempt to grow the tent, as opposed to keeping the tent the exact same size, only to force it's diminishment.

I know this because I am also guilty of this in the past, when I was at my peak GOP activism phase, I (and most other libertarians) went in knowingly ideologically hostile and not actually wanting a majority or working towards it. A lot of people here don't understand that having influence with the GOP is having their respect and the faith that both sides of the view can come together to compromise and support the party. My way or the high way gets no way.
Nobody wants to work with you if you never work with them and that is doubled if you are the weaker party in the relationship.

revgen
10-05-2018, 02:06 AM
Serious question. This is not a dig at Ben Swann, but at the “liberty” movement in general.

Why didn’t Ben Swann release this on July 4th (before Kavanaugh was nominated) instead of Oct 4th? This is a day late and a dollar short as they say.

The liberty movement has always had this problem. The neocons and establishment are way out ahead whenever there is an opening or election. Early on, they are demonizing the opppostion, and pushing their candidates to the front of the line.

“Hey! There’s an opening on the Supreme Court.”

Swamp: “great, here’s a list of 10 people, and we are going to start promoting our favorite 3.”
Liberty movement: “wow, hope we get someone good.” or “who cares, it won’t make a difference.”

POTUS picks from the only list he has, the swamp list.
Swamp: “time to put on a fake dog and pony show until the final vote.”
Liberty movement: “let us look into this pick” or “it’s all a fake show anyway”.

Day before the vote:
Swamp: “it was the most dramatic race in history, and we are all happy that it was a thorough process.”
Liberty movement: “hey, this person is bad on some key issues, it’s not the best choice, look at this research!” or “told you so, it’s all fake and hopeless”.

Ben Swann was MIA from June 1st to August 7th.

His previous sponsor, Dash, dropped him. It took him 2 months to pick up his new sponsor SmartCash.

AZJoe
10-05-2018, 04:49 AM
"Had we not been forced to deal with the fabricated issues our attention would have been drawn to the fact that Kavanaugh has been neck deep in D.C. politics since graduating from Yale. ... During his time at the White House ... Kavanaugh supported and assisted the effort to pass the Patriot Act. ... he drafted was incorporated in the bill signed by Bush. ... Kavanaugh supported and played a role in warrantless wiretapping, and the establishment of “Fusion Centers”. Kavanaugh clearly supported the surveillance state and that should be much more concerning to all of us than whether or not he got in bar fights “back in the day”. ...

One has to ask themselves why the left did not pursue more valid and dignified criticisms of Kavanaugh than to bring up stories that might or might not have occurred 30 years ago while he was in high school. Is it because the real criticisms might be just a little bit too close to home? Is it possible that those controlling the Democrat agenda did not want to dredge up information about the shady circumstances surrounding Vince Foster’s death? Would the Dems be in a position to criticize his support of the surveillance state when they have been enabling it for decades? Could it be that in this day and age the both left and right are so monolithic that it becomes hard for one to criticize the other for reasons beyond sexual misconduct, fabricated or not. ... "

Well said by the author of that article.

AZJoe
10-05-2018, 04:56 AM
It may have been good thing that Kavanaugh went through this Jerry Springer circus crucible of choreographed character assassination.
I hope it leaves a permanent imprint of unwavering deference to the necessary principles of due process.

shakey1
10-05-2018, 05:41 AM
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Aratus
10-07-2018, 10:20 PM
The 50 to 48 vote is the lesser of two evils?

timosman
10-07-2018, 11:04 PM
..

timosman
10-07-2018, 11:06 PM
The 50 to 48 vote is the lesser of two evils?

It is a safe choice. I predict Kavanaugh will be voting with majority. He's a team player. Kudos to Trump for picking such a reliable judge. :cool:

Aratus
10-07-2018, 11:25 PM
Jeb Bush might have done the same thing, too. Had he won in 2012 or 2016.

jmdrake
10-09-2018, 02:38 PM
The dems tried and unlike with Roy Moore, it seems like it has backfired on themn.

Yep. That's because they came forward with three witnesses, one who's story didn't fit what she told her own therapist, the second a woman who's story was so shaky even the New York Times wouldn't run it, and the third a woman who said she went back to parties where she suspected women were being raped 10 times before being raped herself.

jmdrake
10-09-2018, 02:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aenHO5KHpRQ

Mmm.....are you able to process the fact that both the dems and your chump Trump suck? No....I guess you can't process that.

homahr
10-09-2018, 02:48 PM
Mmm.....are you able to process the fact that both the dems and your chump Trump suck? No....I guess you can't process that.

Complex thinking is difficult for many Trump-humpers.

juleswin
10-09-2018, 03:05 PM
Yep. That's because they came forward with three witnesses, one who's story didn't fit what she told her own therapist, the second a woman who's story was so shaky even the New York Times wouldn't run it, and the third a woman who said she went back to parties where she suspected women were being raped 10 times before being raped herself.

You do know that both dems and republicans think her story is credible? Just because its some piping hot horse shyte doesnt mean that a woman's baseless accusations wont be believed. The Roy Moore case was also very shaky but that didnt stop them from successfully pulling it.

jmdrake
10-09-2018, 03:15 PM
You do know that both dems and republicans think her story is credible? Just because its some piping hot horse shyte doesnt mean that a woman's baseless accusations wont be believed. The Roy Moore case was also very shaky but that didnt stop them from successfully pulling it.

Roy Moore shot himself in the foot when he said things like "I have never dated underage girls without their mother's permission." Yeah...as long as he didn't have sex with them it's technically legal...but still odd.

With Dr. Ford the problem isn't just her story, it's that the other women's stories are just bizarre. If the dems had just left it with Dr. Ford they would have gotten more millage out of it. The "I went to rape parties 10 times before I got raped" story is just bizarre. I told that to a friend who is a hardcore democrat and concerned about "rape culture" and even she was taken aback by that story.

charrob
10-12-2018, 02:16 PM
The Two Brett Kavanaugh Stories

by: Philip M. Giraldi
10.11.2018

There were two simultaneous Brett Kavanaugh stories. Together, as part of the confirmation process regarding his nomination as Supreme Court Justice, they revealed how political discourse in the United States has reached a new low, with debate over the man’s possible predilection to make judgments based on his own preferences rather than the US Constitution being ignored in favor of the politically motivated kabuki theater that was deliberately arranged to avoid that issue and instead go after his character.

Consider first of all, his flaws as a candidate. He was regularly framed as a “conservative,” but what did that mean in the context of his career? Some of the critics are referring to his time spent as a government lawyer, specifically for the George W. Bush Administration, where he was a supporter of wide executive authority in the context of the war against terror while others point to his decisions and writings during his time as a US Circuit judge from 2006 until the present. That meant essentially that Kavanaugh then supported and apparently continues to support what is now referred to as the John Yoo doctrine, named after the Department of Justice lawyer who penned the memo that made the case for the president to act unilaterally to do whatever is required in national security cases even if there be no direct or immediate threat. Yoo specifically argued that the president, by virtue of his office, is not bound by the War Crimes Act. This theory of government, also more broadly dubbed the unitary executive, was popularized by Yoo, fellow government lawyer Jay Bybee and Eric Posner of the University of Chicago.

For those who find Kavanaugh unacceptable in terms of his judicial philosophy, this repudiation of the constitutional principle of three branches of government that check each other was enough to disqualify him from a position on the Supreme Court, principally as it impacts on both the first and second articles of the constitution by granting to the president the authority to both begin and continue a war on his own recognizance. It also means that the president on his own authority can suspend first and fourth amendment rights to freedom of speech and association as well as freedom from illegal search. He supported, for example, the government’s “right” to conduct mass searches of private data such as was conducted by the NSA. Kavanaugh supports government authority to legitimize incarceration without trial and to order assassinations and torture. Kavanaugh is also on record as favoring limiting the public’s right to use the courts to redress government overreach.

But curiously enough, or perhaps not so curiously, Kavanaugh was treated with kid gloves on those critical issues, basically because both major parties are now supportive of the unitary executive concept even if they would not admit that to be the case. Bill Clinton launched cruise missiles attacks on Sudan and Afghanistan on his own authority and involved the US in a war in the Balkans. George W. Bush did the same in approving torture and expanding the war on terror to Iraq and also globally, while Barack Obama attacked both the Syrian and Libyan governments and assassinated US citizens abroad, all acts of war or war crimes carried out without a congressional declaration of war or without any real pushback by the judiciary.

The failure of Congress to carry out its duty to review Kavanaugh’s ability or lack thereof to interpret the constitution impartially was the more important story line in the confirmation process but it was ignored by the media. The other narrative that ran simultaneously, the purely political attempt made by the Democrats and some Republicans to destroy Kavanaugh as a person through the exploitation of random claims of sexual assault dating from more than thirty-five years ago, was an attempt to discredit the candidate that everyone knew right from the beginning could not be substantiated.

This all means that the important issue of Kavanaugh’s likely comportment as a judge was subjected to too little inquiry while his character as evidenced by tales from his past life received far too much attention. Ironically, the media, which has been frantically searching for an explanation for the breakdown of democracy in the United States, has been pillorying the Russians and more recently the Chinese for outside interference in the process, while ignoring the intense public dissatisfaction with the government it has been allowed to have by the Establishment, which is exemplified by the dystopic reality demonstrated by Kavanaugh. Some Americans would have rejected him based on his merits as a judge, but the case was not clearly made. Many instead came to view him as a victim of a vicious personal campaign and that was apparently enough to win confirmation, at least as reckoned by the calculus of those in Congress who cast the actual votes. In either case, the system failed to produce a good result and we only have our polarized and dysfunctional government to blame for that failure.



http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2018/october/11/the-two-brett-kavanaugh-stories/