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James_Madison_Lives
10-01-2018, 07:16 PM
Been robbed. Been jumped. Looked down the wrong end of a gun barrel. Nothing like some people have been through, including people who have been sexually assaulted. But these moments are frozen in my mind, because they play over and over like a movie. I hear the same and worse from Iraq bros, will never forget the screams, the pattern of blood on the ground, the torn limb. Exactly and concisely. Never.

So all I'm saying is I am very concerned with sex violence and am glad more women are coming out. I support #Metoo. But I'm leery when details don't match, or an alleged survivor contradicts her story, and the feminist shrinks come out and play the Trauma Memory card. I despise Kavanaugh's politics. I don't want him confirmed based on his political beliefs, he's a corporate shill. But you can't ruin a man based on "I think this happened or that" and be getting it all wrong. Where are the shrinks who say No, that's not the way it is with trauma at all. When the adrenaline is flowing and you think you are about to die, your mind takes a picture of every little last thing you may never see again. I think that's more the way it works.

Mighty convenient for convicting a man. If his story doesn't add up he's lying. If her's doesn't it's trauma memory. If you don't remember something, ok. But you don't get to fill in the blanks.

specsaregood
10-01-2018, 07:23 PM
Saw some twitter ranting about how The Ford broad published a paper in 2008 on self-hypnosis and planting false memories.

edit here:
http://thefederalist.com/2018/10/01/kavanaugh-accuser-co-authored-study-citing-use-hypnosis-retrieve-memories/

UWDude
10-01-2018, 07:24 PM
Yup, I can still point out the house I got a gun drawn on me when I was 14. Clearly remember every moment of it.
(I was just a paper boy trying to collect for my paper).
I have had other traumatic things too.. and those memories are clear as day.
I even remember the next day vividly with some of those events.

James_Madison_Lives
10-01-2018, 07:35 PM
Saw some twitter ranting about how The Ford broad published a paper in 2008 on self-hypnosis and planting false memories.

edit here:
http://thefederalist.com/2018/10/01/kavanaugh-accuser-co-authored-study-citing-use-hypnosis-retrieve-memories/

Interesting link. First she says it happened in late teens, then settles on 15. If there one single thing I would remember it's what year in HS I was in and how old I was, what time of year.

UWDude
10-01-2018, 07:45 PM
Interesting link. First she says it happened in late teens, then settles on 15. If there one single thing I would remember it's what year in HS I was in and how old I was, what time of year.

I saw only about 15 seconds of the hearing.
In those 15 seconds, I saw Ford clearly using transferrence.
She was taking another incident, and using it as the detail underpinning of her lie.
So when asked for details, she would use the other event.

I don't have time to watch liars lie. I really don't.

Brian4Liberty
10-01-2018, 07:56 PM
Looked down the wrong end of a gun barrel.

Been there, done that. I could name 3 witnesses, location is easy. Date would be hard, even the year. Perps? Never in a million years would I honestly be able to pick them out of a line-up, probably even the next day wouldn’t have been able to realistically do that. Facial details on someone you have never met before are almost impossible to remember, and easy to confuse with anyone who remotely resembles them.

Ford’s inability to remember anything but Kavanaugh does not ring true. Something is not right about her story.

Zippyjuan
10-01-2018, 07:56 PM
Saw some twitter ranting about how The Ford broad published a paper in 2008 on self-hypnosis and planting false memories.

edit here:
http://thefederalist.com/2018/10/01/kavanaugh-accuser-co-authored-study-citing-use-hypnosis-retrieve-memories/

Her specialty is statistics and designing studies. She probably just helped the authors with that portion. Her name is at the bottom, not among the main writers of the paper.

Swordsmyth
10-01-2018, 08:00 PM
Her specialty is statistics and designing studies. She probably just helped the authors with that portion. Her name is at the bottom, not among the main writers of the paper.
Just her knowing those people well enough to help with the paper is a red flag.

Brian4Liberty
10-01-2018, 08:01 PM
Saw some twitter ranting about how The Ford broad published a paper in 2008 on self-hypnosis and planting false memories.

edit here:
http://thefederalist.com/2018/10/01/kavanaugh-accuser-co-authored-study-citing-use-hypnosis-retrieve-memories/

Yeah, pseudo-science. She is not believable. (Sym)pathetic, but not believable.


Kavanaugh Accuser Co-Authored Study Citing Use Of Hypnosis To Retrieve Memories
Sean Davis
Kavanaugh Accuser Co-Authored Study Citing Use Of Hypnosis To Retrieve Memories

Christine Blasey Ford, a California woman who has accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of attempted rape in the 1980’s, co-authored an academic study that cited the use of hypnosis as a tool to retrieve memories in traumatized patients. The academic paper, entitled “Meditation With Yoga, Group Therapy With Hypnosis, and Psychoeducation for Long-Term Depressed Mood: A Randomized Pilot Trial,” described the results of a study the tested the efficacy of certain treatments on 46 depressed individuals. The study was published by the Journal of Clinical Psychology in May 2008.

While the paper by Ford and several other co-authors focused on whether various therapeutic techniques, including hypnosis, alleviate depression, it also discussed the therapeutic use of hypnosis to “assist in the retrieval of important memories” and to “create artificial situations” to assist in treatment.

thoughtomator
10-01-2018, 08:04 PM
Been robbed. Been jumped. Looked down the wrong end of a gun barrel. Nothing like some people have been through, including people who have been sexually assaulted. But these moments are frozen in my mind, because they play over and over like a movie. I hear the same and worse from Iraq bros, will never forget the screams, the pattern of blood on the ground, the torn limb. Exactly and concisely. Never.

I have the same experiences from a near-fatal dog attack when I was young, as well as from the WTC bombing in 1993. I know every goddamn detail down to the bone. That's how I knew right away that Ford is a complete fraud, and the entire circus since has done nothing but cement the impression.

Zippyjuan
10-01-2018, 08:07 PM
Just her knowing those people well enough to help with the paper is a red flag.

Ron Paul know some weird people too.

thoughtomator
10-01-2018, 08:07 PM
I saw only about 15 seconds of the hearing.
In those 15 seconds, I saw Ford clearly using transferrence.
She was taking another incident, and using it as the detail underpinning of her lie.
So when asked for details, she would use the other event.

I don't have time to watch liars lie. I really don't.

Yes I saw this too you have it spot on. I'm convinced she is using some other incident, probably a fully consensual incident for which she later felt shame, and deliberately conflating it with her hard drinking party days to create a composite event to pin on Kavanaugh.

Swordsmyth
10-01-2018, 08:15 PM
Ron Paul know some weird people too.

Has he done something suspicious that relates to their oddities?

Zippyjuan
10-01-2018, 08:20 PM
Has he done something suspicious that relates to their oddities?

Going on Alex Jones.

Swordsmyth
10-01-2018, 08:39 PM
Going on Alex Jones.
That isn't potentially criminal or particularly suspicious.

Zippyjuan
10-01-2018, 08:58 PM
That isn't potentially criminal or particularly suspicious.

Neither is doing statistical work for a study on depression.

Swordsmyth
10-01-2018, 09:10 PM
Neither is doing statistical work for a study on depression.
Self-hypnosis and planting false memories are in the case of a woman who just gave obviously false testimony to the Senate in an attempt to derail the lawful nomination of a Justice by a duly elected President.

RJB
10-01-2018, 09:12 PM
I find it horrifying that people on this thread are believing what they saw, felt, and remembered. They should discount their experiences and only believe what experts tell them to believe. That's the smart and honest thing to do.

UWDude
10-01-2018, 09:12 PM
People under hypnosis can pass lie detector tests, because they believe whatever they are told to believe.

RJB
10-01-2018, 09:24 PM
People under hypnosis can pass lie detector tests, because they believe whatever they are told to believe.

People suffering from TDS also believe what they are told to believe.

nikcers
10-01-2018, 09:40 PM
Yes I saw this too you have it spot on. I'm convinced she is using some other incident, probably a fully consensual incident for which she later felt shame, and deliberately conflating it with her hard drinking party days to create a composite event to pin on Kavanaugh.

It's probably mental illness, I don't see any other reason for his disregard for the Constitution.

eleganz
10-01-2018, 10:10 PM
Interesting link. First she says it happened in late teens, then settles on 15. If there one single thing I would remember it's what year in HS I was in and how old I was, what time of year.

And which house you were sexually attacked at, seriously can't remember that? Lol, they grew up in that area, I remember every house and every area I've ever been to where I grew up.

On top of that she can't remember who took her home on her most traumatic life experience where she thought she was going to be killed?

But then again she is apparently well studied on self-hypnosis and erasing memories.

Brian4Liberty
10-01-2018, 10:20 PM
Ron Paul know some weird people too.


Has he done something suspicious that relates to their oddities?

He wants to audit and end the Fed. Probably pure coincidence that he knows others with the same ideas.

eleganz
10-01-2018, 10:34 PM
Did anyone else realize that she went to she her therapist right at the time it was hot news that Kavanaugh was having his previous nomination?

How creepy is all of this ....

TheTexan
10-02-2018, 03:18 AM
Ron Paul know some weird people too.

No kidding. Anarchists and other degenerates

thoughtomator
10-02-2018, 05:33 AM
Did anyone else realize that she went to she her therapist right at the time it was hot news that Kavanaugh was having his previous nomination?

How creepy is all of this ....

Yeah that came out very early. She remembered JUST after Kavanaugh was mentioned by Jeff Toobin in The New Yorker as the top pick for Romney, if the latter had won in 2012.

Valli6
10-02-2018, 12:29 PM
I don’t think there’s any such thing as “trauma memory” but there is “denial”, where a victim tries to cope with trauma by downplaying it’s importance to themself, because to fully face it is too repulsive. The memory doesn’t disappear, it’s just pushed away. It’s a coping mechanism for dealing with some trauma that had to be endured repeatedly. It’s usually associated with children of alcoholic and/or abusive parents. Being groped one time is not like this.

It’s notable that no one (media or politicians) has been using the term “repressed memory” or “recovered memory”. This was a thing in the late 80s and 90s and applies to - NOT having a hazy memory about an incident - but of having been totally unaware that an incident ever took place until something triggers it, typically while undergoing therapy with a psychologist. At least some of the time, hypnosis would be used. Sometimes sodium amytal (so-called truth serum) was even used. (I’ll bet that Oprah did shows about “recovered memories”.)

An example:
In the late 80s or 90’s comedian Roseanne Barr became convinced that her parents sexually abused her when she was an infant. It sounded really nuts. Her family members were shocked and denied it, but she's still estranged from them. She was very open about it being a memory “recovered” while she was undergoing therapy.

Repressed and recovered memories were an accepted thing for a while, but eventually there were some successful lawsuits against the therapists and we slowly stopped hearing about them - but the broken families are still out there. (While the concept of recovered memories was publicized for years, the lawsuits received little to no publicity.)

Tucker Carlson is the only person I have heard refer to Ford’s accusation as a recovered memory. I don’t know if this is something he simply extrapolated from hearing Ford speak, or if someone, somewhere, has admitted that this is the case. We have not been given any details about what Ford’s therapy consisted of. Was she hypnotized?

I do know that recovered memories are not considered reliable by psychiatrists and that some therapists have been successfully sued over it. There are also support groups for persons who’s lives were destroyed by such claims.

if you do a search of “repressed memories”, “recovered memories” or "false memories' you will find a lot of info about it.