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Anti Federalist
09-26-2018, 10:35 AM
BREAKING: Michael Avenatti Reveals Client Making ‘Gang Rape’ Allegation Against Kavanaugh

https://www.mediaite.com/online/breaking-michael-avenatti-reveals-client-making-gang-rape-allegation-against-kavanaugh/

Attorney for Stormy Daniels, Michael Avenatti, earlier this week, claimed to have a client with a third allegation against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh. He made the announcement, and tweeted lurid accusations, without offering the identity of the client or any evidence.

Today, Avenatti tweeted a name and photo of that client, along with a sworn statement from the alleged victim laying out her serious allegations.

In the statement, Julie Swetnick, a current government employee, alleges Kavanaugh and his friend Mark Judge attended a party where she was drugged and gang raped by a series of boys. While she does not accuse Kavanaugh of assaulting her, she claims she witnessed him participate in the gang rapes.

In his tweet that included the screenshots, Avenatti asserted that Kavanaugh’s nomination must not go forward without more investigation of the claims.

Paragraph 13 of the sworn statement (below) has the specific personal allegation.

In approximately 1982, I became the victim of one of these “gang” or “train” rapes where Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh were present. Shortly after the incident, I shared what had transpired with at least two other people. During the incident, I was incapacitated without my consent and unable to fight off the boys raping me. I believe I was drugged using Quaaludes or something similar placed in what I was drinking.”

Davis’ statement (below) also alleges that she witnessed Kavanaugh waiting in a rape line for his “turn” in the gang rape of another woman, whom they allegedly incapacitated.

I also witnessed efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh and others to cause girls to become inebriated and disoriented so they could then be “gang raped” in a side room or bedroom by a “train” of numerous boys. I have a firm recollection of seeing boys lined up outside rooms at many of these parties waiting for their “turn” with a girl inside the room. These boys included Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh.”

phill4paul
09-26-2018, 10:42 AM
So this chick goes to parties between '81 and '82. Witnesses "numerous" cases of girls being "spiked" and "gang" raped. So, she doesn't tell an adult. She just keeps going to these parties and then it happens to her.


She worked as an IBM digital analyst, for Homeland Security as a senior web production manager, for the Department of Justice as a senior production webmaster, the Department of State in the same job

https://heavy.com/news/2018/09/julie-swetnick/

Brian4Liberty
09-26-2018, 10:47 AM
So this chick goes to parties between '81 and '82. Witnesses "numerous" cases of girls being "spiked" and "gang" raped. So, she doesn't tell an adult. She just keeps going to these parties and then it happens to her.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/09/julie-swetnick/

Exactly.


I have a firm recollection of seeing boys lined up outside rooms at many of these parties waiting for their “turn” with a girl inside the room.

“It was horrible! It was awful! It happened every weekend for two years!”

CCTelander
09-26-2018, 10:57 AM
Breaking! New Kavanaugh accuser, Ima Fullashit, comes forward and issues startling new allegations. "I witnessed Kavanaugh consorting with Satan and various Satanic demons and devouring infants every weekend at parties. It traumatized me for life."

Are even the rubes actually buying this shit anymore? I don't even like the guy, but this is farcical.

Anti Federalist
09-26-2018, 10:58 AM
Breaking! New Kavanaugh accuser, Ima Fullashit, comes forward and issues startling new allegations. "I witnessed Kavanaugh consorting with Satan and various Satanic demons and devouring infants every weekend at parties. It traumatized me for life."

Are even the rubes actually buying this shit anymore? I don't even like the guy, but this is farcical.

That's pretty much where I'm at on this.

PierzStyx
09-26-2018, 11:01 AM
Isn't it just fascinating how all the "minarchists" on here leap to the defense of a National Socialist who has openly declared his support for the PATRIOT Act and everything that goes with it? It is almost as if their loyalty to a specific party is more important than the actual struggle for liberty. They declare loyalty to the party of big government, mass surveillance, elimination of the Constitution, unending war, and police state power and defend it and its endless hoard of parasites, moochers, and thugs from any defamation.

phill4paul
09-26-2018, 11:03 AM
Isn't it just fascinating how all the "minarchists" on here leap to the defense of a National Socialist who has openly declared his support for the PATRIOT Act and everything that goes with it? It is almost as if their loyalty to a specific party is more important than the actual struggle for liberty. They declare loyalty to the party of big government, mass surveillance, elimination of the Constitution, unending war, and police state power and defend it and its endless hoard of parasites, moochers, and thugs from any defamation.

Next you'll be telling us how many of these parties you attended before you were gang raped.

specsaregood
09-26-2018, 11:03 AM
Isn't it just fascinating how all the "minarchists" on here leap to the defense of a National Socialist who has openly declared his support for the PATRIOT Act and everything that goes with it? It is almost as if their loyalty to a specific party is more important than the actual struggle for liberty. They declare loyalty to the party of big government, mass surveillance, elimination of the Constitution, unending war, and police state power and defend it and its endless hoard of parasites, moochers, and thugs from any defamation.

Please point out where people here are defending his position on the Patriot Act.

Anti Federalist
09-26-2018, 11:06 AM
Isn't it just fascinating how all the "minarchists" on here leap to the defense of a National Socialist who has openly declared his support for the PATRIOT Act and everything that goes with it? It is almost as if their loyalty to a specific party is more important than the actual struggle for liberty. They declare loyalty to the party of big government, mass surveillance, elimination of the Constitution, unending war, and police state power and defend it and its endless hoard of parasites, moochers, and thugs from any defamation.

Already explained this to you.

You are confusing support for Kavanaugh, with opposition to the idea that people can just say something happened 40 years ago and ruin your life or send you to prison.

Brian4Liberty
09-26-2018, 11:09 AM
Isn't it just fascinating how all the "minarchists" on here leap to the defense of a National Socialist who has openly declared his support for the PATRIOT Act and everything that goes with it? It is almost as if their loyalty to a specific party is more important than the actual struggle for liberty. They declare loyalty to the party of big government, mass surveillance, elimination of the Constitution, unending war, and police state power and defend it and its endless hoard of parasites, moochers, and thugs from any defamation.

Isn’t it fascinating how you constantly create straw men?

specsaregood
09-26-2018, 11:10 AM
Already explained this to you.

You are confusing support for Kavanaugh, with opposition to the idea that people can just say something happened 40 years ago and ruin your life or send you to prison.

TDS is serious business.

Anti Federalist
09-26-2018, 11:11 AM
Please point out where people here are defending his position on the Patriot Act.

I'd like PS to point out where anybody here is defending him on any position.

All I know about him, based on a very cursory review, is that he is slightly better on the 2nd Amendment than your average clown in a gown.

Seems to me the very definition of a police state is when you are publicly accused and have no recourse, no presumption of innocence, and can be ruined and possibly jailed based on decades old "memories".

Anti Federalist
09-26-2018, 11:17 AM
Hey, look at it this way, maybe this will lead to an epiphany on his part.

Brett, after going through what just happened to you, maybe you'll want to re-consider judicial "logic" that allows such assaults on the freedoms of millions of other citizens, falsely accused and ruined and/or imprisoned due to running afoul of CPS or asset forfeiture laws or "no fly lists" or PATRIOT Act provisions or illegal and unwarranted surveillance or a million other ways you can go to jail in AmeriKa these days.

CaptUSA
09-26-2018, 11:18 AM
Isn't it just fascinating how all the "minarchists" on here leap to the defense of a National Socialist who has openly declared his support for the PATRIOT Act and everything that goes with it? It is almost as if their loyalty to a specific party is more important than the actual struggle for liberty. They declare loyalty to the party of big government, mass surveillance, elimination of the Constitution, unending war, and police state power and defend it and its endless hoard of parasites, moochers, and thugs from any defamation.

Hey, I'm with you. I already stated that I hope this charade works, the dems lose big in Nov., then Trump selects a real judge. Of course, I don't see any of that happening.

In the meantime, it certainly seems like the script writers have jumped the shark on this one. But hey, it's sweeps week. Maybe more people will get tired of the show?? One can only hope.

Krugminator2
09-26-2018, 11:34 AM
Already explained this to you.

You are confusing support for Kavanaugh, with opposition to the idea that people can just say something happened 40 years ago and ruin your life or send you to prison.


Let's be honest, the opposition to Kavanaugh even among people here and Judge Napolitano is a little over the top.

Stossel just did a thing on him. Kavanaugh is a pretty decent choice. Certainly an improvement over Kennedy. And National Socialist? LOL. The guy was a chosen by The Federalist Society which is a libertarian-conservative group. He has been a regular speaker there for 20 years. It would have been unthinkable to have someone this good on the court 40 years ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a09LfTFCHTs

shakey1
09-26-2018, 11:39 AM
Hey, look at it this way, maybe this will lead to an epiphany on his part.

Brett, after going through what just happened to you, maybe you'll want to re-consider judicial "logic" that allows such assaults on the freedoms of millions of other citizens, falsely accused and ruined and/or imprisoned due to running afoul of CPS or asset forfeiture laws or "no fly lists" or PATRIOT Act provisions or illegal and unwarranted surveillance or a million other ways you can go to jail in AmeriKa these days.

Will probably just wind up being cowed into submission... a few additional allegations outta do it.

Anti Federalist
09-26-2018, 11:44 AM
Let's be honest, the opposition to Kavanaugh even among people here and Judge Napolitano is a little over the top.

Stossel just did a thing on him. Kavanaugh is a pretty decent choice. Certainly an improvement over Kennedy. And National Socialist? LOL. The guy was a chosen by The Federalist Society which is a libertarian-conservative group. He has been a regular speaker there for 20 years. It would have been unthinkable to have someone this good on the court 40 years ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a09LfTFCHTs

Yah, I don't recall writing anything in support or in opposition to him.

Based on what you posted, yeah, he seems pretty decent.

And everybody scoffs, but the fact is, it's a much better choice than anything you'd have gotten from Hillary.

Anti Federalist
09-26-2018, 11:46 AM
Will probably just wind up being cowed into submission... a few additional allegations outta do it.

I'm wondering what's next...Satan himself?

He had sex with Cthulhu?

"I saw him BBQing babies on his back deck!"?

phill4paul
09-26-2018, 11:48 AM
Yah, I don't recall writing anything in support or in opposition to him.

Based on what you posted, yeah, he seems pretty decent.

And everybody scoffs, but the fact is, it's a much better choice than anything you'd have gotten from Hillary.

Which is why progressives are in support of these kinds of tactics. It's all meant to delay until after the mid-terms and the anticipated blue-wave. This confirmation comes down to only one vote.

CaptUSA
09-26-2018, 11:55 AM
And everybody scoffs, but the fact is, it's a much better choice than anything you'd have gotten from Hillary.

:sorrow:

You realize that excuse is universal, right. "Oh, he started WWIII, but it's better than what Hillary would have done!"

When does that excuse go away? It's as bad as Obama blaming Bush. The hope was that if we ever got the chance to shift the balance of the Court, we'd do it with an eye towards liberty. Kavanaugh is a swamp-monster. As someone opposed to the surveillance state, I'm surprised to hear you say he's pretty decent. His record there is horrible.

Anti Federalist
09-26-2018, 11:55 AM
Which is why progressives are in support of these kinds of tactics. It's all meant to delay until after the mid-terms and the anticipated blue-wave. This confirmation comes down to only one vote.

Oh yeah, it's obvious what's happening here.

Once a democrat Senate is in place, then every single judicial nomination can be dead lettered until 2020.

Anti Federalist
09-26-2018, 11:58 AM
:sorrow:

You realize that excuse is universal, right. "Oh, he started WWIII, but it's better than what Hillary would have done!"

When does that excuse go away? It's as bad as Obama blaming Bush. The hope was that if we ever got the chance to shift the balance of the Court, we'd do it with an eye towards liberty. Kavanaugh is a swamp-monster. As someone opposed to the surveillance state, I'm surprised to hear you say he's pretty decent. His record there is horrible.

Not an excuse, a statement of plain fact.

Again, I know very little about him, I'm just going by that Stossel clip, which I just now saw.


we'd do it with an eye towards liberty.

I'm hoping that is the case here, especially, as I noted above, he has gone through this nonsense...I would hope he would learn a valuable lesson about individual rights, due process, and false accusations.

phill4paul
09-26-2018, 12:16 PM
:sorrow:

You realize that excuse is universal, right. "Oh, he started WWIII, but it's better than what Hillary would have done!"

When does that excuse go away? It's as bad as Obama blaming Bush. The hope was that if we ever got the chance to shift the balance of the Court, we'd do it with an eye towards liberty. Kavanaugh is a swamp-monster. As someone opposed to the surveillance state, I'm surprised to hear you say he's pretty decent. His record there is horrible.

Rand met with him one on one and came away feeling that Kavanaugh would be a fair pick. Given Rand's stance against the surveillance state I'm going to have to trust him on this one.
End the end one should hope to go to a confirmation vote Fri. regardless. If Kav isn't confirmed then that gives the conservatives a chance to float another nominee. Hopefully one more liberty oriented. Because, believe me , though you don't care to pick a side either right or left, you honestly can't prefer progressive on the court.

fcreature
09-26-2018, 12:32 PM
Isn't it just fascinating how all the "minarchists" on here leap to the defense of a National Socialist who has openly declared his support for the PATRIOT Act and everything that goes with it? It is almost as if their loyalty to a specific party is more important than the actual struggle for liberty. They declare loyalty to the party of big government, mass surveillance, elimination of the Constitution, unending war, and police state power and defend it and its endless hoard of parasites, moochers, and thugs from any defamation.

Has literally nothing to do with the accusations at hand.

One can be outraged at false rape accusations and offer a defense of the victim (kavanaugh) on the issue, and still disagree with him on policy issues.

dean.engelhardt
09-26-2018, 12:36 PM
So this chick goes to parties between '81 and '82. Witnesses "numerous" cases of girls being "spiked" and "gang" raped. So, she doesn't tell an adult. She just keeps going to these parties and then it happens to her.



https://heavy.com/news/2018/09/julie-swetnick/

If you or I, knew women were being drugged and gang raped at parties, and did not report it to police, we would be an accessory to a crime. I feel bad if Swetnick was a victim of rape, but that should not give her a pass for confessing to being a part of covering up multiple gang rape incidents. If the statement is to be taken seriously, she should be facing charges.

specsaregood
09-26-2018, 12:39 PM
If you or I, knew women were being drugged and gang raped at parties, and did not report it to police, we would be an accessory to a crime. I feel bad if Swetnick was a victim of rape, but that should not give her a pass for confessing to being a part of covering up multiple gang rape incidents. If the statement is to be taken seriously, she should be facing charges.

She is also 2 years older than him; she would have been 18+...

dean.engelhardt
09-26-2018, 12:48 PM
She is also 2 years older than him; she would have been 18+...

So she was an adult, confessing to accessory to rape of minors? I wonder how this is going to work out for her. Will she be receive "political" protection for her confessed crime?

I believe there will be a quick retraction of the statement. I can't believe her attorney allowed it to be released.

phill4paul
09-26-2018, 12:56 PM
So she was an adult, confessing to accessory to rape of minors? I wonder how this is going to work out for her. Will she be receive "political" protection for her confessed crime?

I believe there will be a quick retraction of the statement. I can't believe her attorney allowed it to be released.

Yep. Legally an adult. Witnessed "numerous" rape crimes. Never reported. Charges should be forth coming on this admission.

donnay
09-26-2018, 01:09 PM
Hope they all realize if this woman really witnessed all these rapes she will be charged with felony accessory after the fact and conspiracy. No statute of limitations then.

Creepy porn lawyer probably doesn't care he just like the attention.

CaptUSA
09-26-2018, 01:14 PM
Creepy porn lawyer probably doesn't care he just like the attention.

Gloria Allred showed people how to make money at this. No surprise someone like Avenatti picked up on it.

donnay
09-26-2018, 01:19 PM
Gloria Allred showed people how to make money at this. No surprise someone like Avenatti picked up on it.

Exactly and why it should not be tolerated. People need to take these people to task in a courtroom.

ThePaleoLibertarian
09-26-2018, 01:26 PM
So, a college student went to high school parties where gang rapes happened repeatedly, kept going to them for years and is only now just reporting them when there's a SCOTUS seat at stake. Yeah, this is garbage. They're trying to establish a "pattern of behavior" with one unfalsifiable allegation after another.

ThePaleoLibertarian
09-26-2018, 01:27 PM
Isn't it just fascinating how all the "minarchists" on here leap to the defense of a National Socialist who has openly declared his support for the PATRIOT Act and everything that goes with it? It is almost as if their loyalty to a specific party is more important than the actual struggle for liberty. They declare loyalty to the party of big government, mass surveillance, elimination of the Constitution, unending war, and police state power and defend it and its endless hoard of parasites, moochers, and thugs from any defamation.
PierzStyx is one of the dumbest posters here. What relevance does his position on the Patriot Act have on allegations of sexual assault? Is it okay to falsely accuse someone of such crimes if they disagree with you? The vaunted morality of the anarchists!

Todd
09-26-2018, 01:30 PM
Isn't it just fascinating how all the "minarchists" on here leap to the defense of a National Socialist who has openly declared his support for the PATRIOT Act and everything that goes with it? It is almost as if their loyalty to a specific party is more important than the actual struggle for liberty. They declare loyalty to the party of big government, mass surveillance, elimination of the Constitution, unending war, and police state power and defend it and its endless hoard of parasites, moochers, and thugs from any defamation.

Yeah the Trump sucking does get kinda sickening from time to time, but the best thing about all of this is how completely ridiculous the entire political system is anymore. It's so transparent to be laughable. I have no respect for Kavanaugh and his establishment crap and he's a terrible candidate, but this is a clown show and it's never been more clear.

CaptUSA
09-26-2018, 01:32 PM
... this is a clown show and it's never been more clear.

But I bet it gets HUGE ratings.

timosman
09-26-2018, 01:33 PM
Exactly and why it should not be tolerated. People need to take these people to task in a courtroom.

This is reminiscent of IP trolling, still quite profitable - Copyright holder’s question: How much porn do you watch? - https://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?455352-Copyright-holder%92s-question-How-much-porn-do-you-watch

dannno
09-26-2018, 01:45 PM
Yeah the Trump sucking does get kinda sickening from time to time, but the best thing about all of this is how completely ridiculous the entire political system is anymore. It's so transparent to be laughable. I have no respect for Kavanaugh and his establishment crap and he's a terrible candidate, but this is a clown show and it's never been more clear.


GOP Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.) on Monday said that he will support President Trump's Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

“After meeting Judge Kavanaugh and reviewing his record, I have decided to support his nomination,” Paul said in a statement.




He added that while no one will “ever completely agree with a nominee,” they “must be judged on the totality of their views, character, and opinions.”..

ThePaleoLibertarian
09-26-2018, 01:53 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb; this accusation is going to implode. I don't mean like the others did, I mean really implode. I've thought for a while that there was going to be an obviously false accusation that starts the real #MeToo backlash and I think this might be it. Avenatti is going to end up regretting this. I also wouldn't be surprised if he gets accused of something before too long. Not necessarily anything sexual, but a purely self-interested narcissist like him definitely has some skeletons.

phill4paul
09-26-2018, 01:56 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb; this accusation is going to implode. I don't mean like the others did, I mean really implode. I've thought for a while that there was going to be an obviously false accusation that starts the real #MeToo backlash and I think this might be it. Avenatti is going to end up regretting this. I also wouldn't be surprised if he gets accused of something before too long. Not necessarily anything sexual, but a purely self-interested narcissist like him definitely has some skeletons.

I've noticed a silent void among my liberal friends on FB regarding this latest accusation as opposed to the other two.

RJB
09-26-2018, 01:59 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb; this accusation is going to implode. I don't mean like the others did, I mean really implode. I've thought for a while that there was going to be an obviously false accusation that starts the real #MeToo backlash and I think this might be it. Avenatti is going to end up regretting this. I also wouldn't be surprised if he gets accused of something before too long. Not necessarily anything sexual, but a purely self-interested narcissist like him definitely has some skeletons.
Yes, I was thinking that as well. The first two accusations were sketchy at best. This third one is flat out wacky. I have some lefty friends on Facebook who are going absolutely crazy. I am hopingthis blows up in their faces and some sanity is restored. Although I am not holding my breath.

TheCount
09-26-2018, 01:59 PM
There are now 3 more witnesses for this than for pizzagate.

CaptUSA
09-26-2018, 02:00 PM
I've noticed a silent void among my liberal friends on FB regarding this latest accusation as opposed to the other two.

Yeah, they call that series fatigue. It happens with all shows. That's why they start adding new characters and stranger plot twists.

Hopefully, this is a sign of an impending cancellation. I highly doubt it, though.

RJB
09-26-2018, 02:06 PM
I've noticed a silent void among my liberal friends on FB regarding this latest accusation as opposed to the other two.
The two wackiest friends totally buy it, but the other are quiet. One Facebook "friend" a soyboy is both one of the biggest male feminist and womanizer I know. He had a selfie of him dressed in black and he wrote something about walking out and believing. Women were gushing over him. I was tempted to ask him if this was his latest ploy to pick up p----, but I refrained.

phill4paul
09-26-2018, 02:10 PM
The two wackiest friends totally buy it, but the other are quiet. One Facebook "friend" a soyboy is both one of the biggest male feminist and womanizer I know. He had a selfie of him dressed in black and he wrote something about walking out and believing. Women were gushing over him. I was tempted to ask him if this was his latest ploy to pick up p----, but I refrained.

Lol. I would have. Which is why I don't have many progressive friends left on FB.

RJB
09-26-2018, 02:15 PM
Lol. I would have. Which is why I don't have many progressive friends left on FB.

We'll see how I hold up after a few beers this evening, because I am curious.

Brian4Liberty
09-26-2018, 02:29 PM
There are now 3 more witnesses for this than for pizzagate.

Similar situation in some respects. Both cases require belief without proof, verification or legal procedure.

The biggest difference being that half of the Senate and the vast majority of the mainstream media is on board with this, obsessing about it 24/7 for weeks, whereas anyone who mentioned Pizzagate was immediately demonized and discredited.

olehounddog
09-26-2018, 02:36 PM
Could have been the piss line.

shakey1
09-26-2018, 02:47 PM
Barnum & Bailey got nothin' on this.:redflag:

TheCount
09-26-2018, 02:57 PM
Similar situation in some respects. Both cases require belief without proof, verification or legal procedure.

The biggest difference being that half of the Senate and the vast majority of the mainstream media is on board with this, obsessing about it 24/7 for weeks, whereas anyone who mentioned Pizzagate was immediately demonized and discredited.
Precisely my point.

Well, the first part. For the second part, I was more heading in the direction of 'unverifiable bullshit is posted to this board every single day; some of it is believed, and some of it is not, all on the basis of no evidence.'

RJB
09-26-2018, 03:01 PM
Barnum & Bailey got nothin' on this.:redflag:

To make their intentions clear and precise, Senators should only enter the Chamber when wearing colorful afro wigs and red noses.

phill4paul
09-26-2018, 03:02 PM
Precisely my point.

Well, the first part. For the second part, I was more heading in the direction of 'unverifiable bullshit is posted to this board every single day; some of it is believed, and some of it is not, all on the basis of no evidence.'

We'd like you to moderate and clean things up, but Brian is afraid of the PTSD lawsuit you'd eventually bring.

shakey1
09-26-2018, 03:06 PM
To make their intentions clear and precise, Senators should only enter the Chamber when wearing colorful afro wigs and red noses.

https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JeiapYMhPdGXKRa/200w_d.gif

Brian4Liberty
09-26-2018, 03:11 PM
Precisely my point.

Well, the first part. For the second part, I was more heading in the direction of 'unverifiable bullshit is posted to this board every single day; some of it is believed, and some of it is not, all on the basis of no evidence.'

So you don’t want to acknowledge the role of the leftist media in this current situation?


unverifiable bullshit is posted to this board the internet and media outlets every single day

FTFY.

PierzStyx
09-26-2018, 03:16 PM
PierzStyx is one of the dumbest posters here. What relevance does his position on the Patriot Act have on allegations of sexual assault? Is it okay to falsely accuse someone of such crimes if they disagree with you? The vaunted morality of the anarchists!

Look at all these "libertarians" on here defending the State, one of the foremost violators of the Non-Aggression Principle. You just have to apologize for, defend, and support your oppressors. Your state education brainwashed you well.

Any good defender of liberty wouldn't waste their time on the useless did he/didn't he sideshow of politics and get down to the facts of his defending government oppression. Instead you can't trip over reasons to defend him quickly enough. Just like a bunch of good little sheep.

PierzStyx
09-26-2018, 03:18 PM
Please point out where people here are defending his position on the Patriot Act.

They're defending him. That is all that matters. You're furthering the useless stupid sideshow designed specifically to distract us form the fact that whether the man raped a woman or not, put him in office and he will support the police state as it rapes you. For all the denunciation of the "Leftist" media, you all act at its beckon call every time it virtue signals to the Republicans or Democrats.

PierzStyx
09-26-2018, 03:23 PM
Already explained this to you.

You are confusing support for Kavanaugh, with opposition to the idea that people can just say something happened 40 years ago and ruin your life or send you to prison.

And while you're arguing over stupid charges that will obviously never stick he'll get placed on the Supreme Court and he will continue the destruction of your basic liberties. And you stooges will just play along, thinking you've won some stupid victory over the "Leftist Media" while getting played like fiddles the entire time. This si nothing but political theater and and you're the ones getting played.

angelatc
09-26-2018, 03:23 PM
Isn't it just fascinating how all the "minarchists" on here leap to the defense of a National Socialist who has openly declared his support for the PATRIOT Act and everything that goes with it? It is almost as if their loyalty to a specific party is more important than the actual struggle for liberty. They declare loyalty to the party of big government, mass surveillance, elimination of the Constitution, unending war, and police state power and defend it and its endless hoard of parasites, moochers, and thugs from any defamation.



The fact that we're able to put aside our issues and call bullshit on the railroading is what defines us as superior humans.

angelatc
09-26-2018, 03:25 PM
They're defending him. That is all that matters.

So you're not concerned with the truth as long as someone you disagree with politically is being destroyed?

phill4paul
09-26-2018, 03:27 PM
Look at all these "libertarians" on here defending the State, one of the foremost violators of the Non-Aggression Principle. You just have to apologize for, defend, and support your oppressors. Your state education brainwashed you well.

Any good defender of liberty wouldn't waste their time on the useless did he/didn't he sideshow of politics and get down to the facts of his defending government oppression. Instead you can't trip over reasons to defend him quickly enough. Just like a bunch of good little sheep.

I don't want to waste time. That's the whole point. The confirmation process was over and it was headed to a vote. It should have just went to vote. If it was a down vote then another candidate could have been floated. Perhaps more liberty oriented. Why aren't you against the sideshow and for a move to proceed with the up or down vote? What exactly is your agenda? Aside from acting superior, ranting and raving about your specific "libertarian" bent as the best bent over others?

PierzStyx
09-26-2018, 03:27 PM
Hey, I'm with you. I already stated that I hope this charade works, the dems lose big in Nov., then Trump selects a real judge. Of course, I don't see any of that happening.

In the meantime, it certainly seems like the script writers have jumped the shark on this one. But hey, it's sweeps week. Maybe more people will get tired of the show?? One can only hope.

I used to think people just enjoyed political theater. Now I've come to the conclusion that most of them can't see the play happening right before their eyes. Obviously these charges aren't meant to stick. They can't. There isn't any way to prove them. And the end result is going to be he gets the post while no one actually addresses the real issue. And all these supposedly "woke" people on here can't see how they're furthering the useless media narrative that only will end up reinforcing his appointment along partisan lines instead of standing up and demand he be accountable for his real crimes.

TheCount
09-26-2018, 03:27 PM
So you don’t want to acknowledge the role of the leftist media in this current situation?



FTFY.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?526831-Somalis-Riot-at-Minnesota-Amusement-Park-Forcing-Evacuation

PierzStyx
09-26-2018, 03:28 PM
So you're not concerned with the truth as long as someone you disagree with politically is being destroyed?

I'm glad you have the ability to remove things out of context. Good job.

phill4paul
09-26-2018, 03:34 PM
I used to think people just enjoyed political theater. Now I've come to the conclusion that most of them can't see the play happening right before their eyes. Obviously these charges aren't meant to stick. They can't. There isn't any way to prove them. And the end result is going to be he gets the post while no one actually addresses the real issue. And all these supposedly "woke" people on here can't see how they're furthering the useless media narrative that only will end up reinforcing his appointment along partisan lines instead of standing up and demand he be accountable for his real crimes.

The "real" issues have been debated. Done deal. It was going to vote. Nothing anyone here could have done about it. However, the issue now is whether we give no voice to political shenanigans that are not corroborated. Because the next time it might be a Rand Paul, Justin Amash or Thomas Massie. It damn sure would have been done against Ron Paul.

PierzStyx
09-26-2018, 03:39 PM
I don't want to waste time. That's the whole point. The confirmation process was over and it was headed to a vote. It should have just went to vote. If it was a down vote then another candidate could have been floated. Perhaps more liberty oriented. Why aren't you against the sideshow and for a move to proceed with the up or down vote? What exactly is your agenda? Aside from acting superior, ranting and raving about your specific "libertarian" bent as the best bent over others?

It is all sideshow. And I'm the only one against it. Everyone else is just playing the game. Every time you make a ruckus about it you further the point of the show- to distract you from the real problems.

As for my agenda? To establish the real talking points:

https://pics.awwmemes.com/at-least-2-documents-in-letter-from-senator-leahy-etal-36036683.png

https://pics.me.me/tenth-amendment-the-4th-amendment-does-not-say-violated-unless-36112615.png


While you fools run around barking mad about accusation he will inevitably be found innocent of no one is talking about the fact that the man defended the PATRIOT Act, government spying, and helped develop the Bush torture programs. The man is an actual monster and you're arguing about charges that will never stick and paving the way for him to be seated on the court where he will expand government power for decades to come.

PierzStyx
09-26-2018, 03:41 PM
The "real" issues have been debated. Done deal. It was going to vote. Nothing anyone here could have done about it. However, the issue now is whether we give no voice to political shenanigans that are not corroborated. Because the next time it might be a Rand Paul, Justin Amash or Thomas Massie. It damn sure would have been done against Ron Paul.

Its never done to the vote is taken. And now, more then ever, instead of playing their game and defending someone entirely indefensible we should be revealing him for who and what he really is- a police state torturer.

timosman
09-26-2018, 03:41 PM
It is all sideshow. And I'm the only one against it. Everyone else is just playing the game. Every time you make a ruckus about it you further the point of the show- to distract you from the real problems.

As for my agenda? To establish the real talking points:


While you fools run around barking mad about accusation he will inevitably be found innocent of no one is talking about the fact that the man defended the PATRIOT Act, government spying, and helped develop the Bush torture programs. The man is an actual monster and you're arguing about charges that will never stick and paving the way for him to be seated on the court where he will expand government power for decades to come.


FFS, so Kavanaugh is responsible for the Patriot Act? :confused:

timosman
09-26-2018, 03:43 PM
Its never done to the vote is taken. And now, more then ever, instead of playing their game and defending someone entirely indefensible we should be revealing him for who and what he really is- a police state torturer.

You are such a shit disturber. :D

phill4paul
09-26-2018, 03:43 PM
It is all sideshow. And I'm the only one against it. Everyone else is just playing the game. Every time you make a ruckus about it you further the point of the show- to distract you from the real problems.

As for my agenda? To establish the real talking points:

https://pics.awwmemes.com/at-least-2-documents-in-letter-from-senator-leahy-etal-36036683.png

https://pics.me.me/tenth-amendment-the-4th-amendment-does-not-say-violated-unless-36112615.png


While you fools run around barking mad about accusation he will inevitably be found innocent of no one is talking about the fact that the man defended the PATRIOT Act, government spying, and helped develop the Bush torture programs. The man is an actual monster and you're arguing about charges that will never stick and paving the way for him to be seated on the court where he will expand government power for decades to come.

It's been explained by many posters many times. It's not in our hands. It's not in your hands. The vote is a done deal. What people are talking about now, here, is the practice by political operatives to smear candidates with nothing more than uncorroborated accusations. Catch the fuck up already.

phill4paul
09-26-2018, 03:48 PM
Its never done to the vote is taken. And now, more then ever, instead of playing their game and defending someone entirely indefensible we should be revealing him for who and what he really is- a police state torturer.

Yep. That's gonna make a huuuge difference since, as you say it's a forgone conclusion. So why are you wasting your time here? Get out there and make the difference you believe everyone else should. Because, honestly, you're just coming off as libertarian of a certain bent with a stick up his ass that feels he's superior to everyone else here. Even after others have set you straight. Get on with your bad self winning hearts and minds.

angelatc
09-26-2018, 03:59 PM
I'm glad you have the ability to remove things out of context. Good job.

We're talking about a single issue: whether a nominee for SCOTUS is being railroaded by the left. You're telling us that he isn't aligned with us idelogically, a fact that nobody disputes.

I do not see this as a done deal. Flake already said he won't confirm, and I'll be surprised if Murkowski doesn't balk.

The way I see it, you want us to celebrate that the left may be able to stop any nominee with unfounded allegations because he isn't one of us. That's the only possible reason you're cluttering the discussion with the memes. Sorry, but his voting record has nothing to do with those issues.

ANd it makes no sense: if he is a deep state operative, why would they be attempting to sabotage him?

ThePaleoLibertarian
09-26-2018, 04:01 PM
Look at all these "libertarians" on here defending the State, one of the foremost violators of the Non-Aggression Principle. You just have to apologize for, defend, and support your oppressors. Your state education brainwashed you well.

And yet again, you prove the first sentence of my post. What level of intellectual purity does someone have to have before libertarians can defend them against baseless accusations of heinous sexual crimes? Does Rand Paul qualify? Or is he too a defender of state oppression and therefore unworthy of a defense in the face of hysterical screeds?

None of this is about Kavanaugh. It's about making sure that this vile, vindictive strategy fails so it doesn't become a normal part of the process.


Any good defender of liberty wouldn't waste their time on the useless did he/didn't he sideshow of politics and get down to the facts of his defending government oppression. Instead you can't trip over reasons to defend him quickly enough. Just like a bunch of good little sheep.
Oh, the fucking irony. A purity-spiraling, impotent-rage spewing ancap accusing others of "wasting time". It's so funny when these people so clearly oppose reform, but then concoct pie-in-the-sky pipe dreams like agorism to reach some utopian vision of "statelessness".

Anti Federalist
09-26-2018, 04:08 PM
Obviously these charges aren't meant to stick. They can't. There isn't any way to prove them.

Umm, when has that stopped the state?

There are plenty of people in jail based on accusations just as flimsy.

This is a bigger issue for me because it touches on the issue of "woemen are to be believed, always, at face value, for whatever they say".

That notion has been railroading men into prison for 30 years, and raping them in "family courts" even longer.

Anti Federalist
09-26-2018, 04:10 PM
ANd it makes no sense: if he is a deep state operative, why would they be attempting to sabotage him?

/Discussion

RJB
09-26-2018, 05:04 PM
It's funny that anyone taking time to post on an internet forum will accuse others of wasting time.

Todd
09-26-2018, 05:10 PM
Yeah me and Rand will just have to disagree on this one.

Anti Globalist
09-26-2018, 05:16 PM
Good thing Kavanaughs not a democrat or else this might be true. After all democrats are more likely to be rapists than republicans.

Krugminator2
09-26-2018, 05:24 PM
You're telling us that he isn't aligned with us idelogically, a fact that nobody disputes.



Who is "us"? Outside of Judge Napolitano, what libertarian legal person is saying bad things about Kavanaugh? He has bad views on the Patriot Act and maybe some criminal justice issues. There are ten thousand other issues. He is really strong on the Second Amendment, free speech, regulations, eminent domain, ending affirmative action etc. He even has a number of good opinions on 4th Amendment cases. He will likely be the first of second best judge on the court.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/09/05/john-stossel-will-kavanaugh-be-good-for-libertarians.html
http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/29/heres-libertarian-case-brett-kavanaughs-supreme-court-nomination/
https://reason.com/volokh/2018/07/10/kavanaugh-nomination
https://reason.com/volokh/2018/09/05/the-best-parts-of-the-kavanaugh-hearing?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

1037487648556965893

phill4paul
09-26-2018, 05:45 PM
Now a fourth anonymous accusation.....



According to an anonymous complaint sent to Republican Sen. Cory Gardner of Colorado, Kavanaugh physically assaulted a woman he socialized with in the Washington, D.C., area in 1998 while he was inebriated.

The sender of the complaint described an evening involving her own daughter, Kavanaugh and several friends in 1998.

“When they left the bar (under the influence of alcohol) they were all shocked when Brett Kavanaugh, shoved her friend up against the wall very aggressively and sexually.”

“There were at least four witnesses including my daughter.” The writer of the letter provided no names but said the alleged victim was still traumatized and had decided to remain anonymous herself.

A Democratic source said the minority wasn’t satisfied by the Republicans’ questions about the incident during the call, calling them cursory, and believed it should be investigated more deeply.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/senate-probing-new-allegation-misconduct-against-kavanaugh-n913581

Working Poor
09-26-2018, 05:56 PM
We're talking about a single issue: whether a nominee for SCOTUS is being railroaded by the left. You're telling us that he isn't aligned with us idelogically, a fact that nobody disputes.

I do not see this as a done deal. Flake already said he won't confirm, and I'll be surprised if Murkowski doesn't balk.

The way I see it, you want us to celebrate that the left may be able to stop any nominee with unfounded allegations because he isn't one of us. That's the only possible reason you're cluttering the discussion with the memes. Sorry, but his voting record has nothing to do with those issues.

ANd it makes no sense: if he is a deep state operative, why would they be attempting to sabotage him?
It's all show biz....

timosman
09-26-2018, 05:59 PM
Time to end the shit show. :D

https://image.slidesharecdn.com/12mobilebestpractices-ultimatefinal2-150924154129-lva1-app6891/95/12-mobile-app-marketing-tips-tricks-and-best-practices-44-638.jpg

oyarde
09-26-2018, 05:59 PM
There are now 3 more witnesses for this than for pizzagate.

Pizza seems more likely .

Swordsmyth
09-26-2018, 07:49 PM
Isn't it just fascinating how all the "minarchists" on here leap to the defense of a National Socialist who has openly declared his support for the PATRIOT Act and everything that goes with it? It is almost as if their loyalty to a specific party is more important than the actual struggle for liberty. They declare loyalty to the party of big government, mass surveillance, elimination of the Constitution, unending war, and police state power and defend it and its endless hoard of parasites, moochers, and thugs from any defamation.

Maybe we think anyone deserves to be defended against false accusations, maybe you just want the Communists to succeed at blocking a Justice who is better than the one he is replacing and set a precedent that will allow them to stop any better judges.

fisharmor
09-26-2018, 07:51 PM
Kavanaugh is a pretty decent choice. Certainly an improvement over Kennedy. And National Socialist? LOL. The guy was a chosen by The Federalist Society which is a libertarian-conservative group. He has been a regular speaker there for 20 years. It would have been unthinkable to have someone this good on the court 40 years ago.

That which was unthinkable 40 years ago is not necessarily good for liberty.

Just look at the video. The people arguing against Kavanaugh are unhinged.
Unhinged is what gets done these days. People who are getting political action on something are either unhinged in their support for murdering brown people overseas, unhinged in their support for normalizing mental illnesses, unhinged in their copsucking, etc, etc, etc.

The people claiming he's the harbinger of LGBT witch hunts, aren't softballing their position. They are pushing, openly, for what they really want. Even when the people they're against are demonstrably not taking the positions they claim, they're still getting out there that they are 1000% in favor of LGBT people being treated better than you are.

They're going to win, because nobody cares about the nuance behind Kavanaugh's potential position on Kelo.
We're going to continue to flounder and remain a dead movement because those of us left still talking about this haven't figured out what those shrieking insane asylum inmates inherently know: nuance doesn't work, you need concrete ideas.

We have ideas. Like:
-Taxation is theft.
-You currently can't own property.
-There are no positive rights.
-All empires end for financial reasons.
-End the Fed.

None of those ideas are getting discussed WRT Kavanaugh - even Stossel never encapsulated why Kelo was a bad decision in that video. It can be done using that first idea, and every idea after it ties in with it, if you really have to have nuance.

But what IS getting discussed - what people here ARE doing - is saying "Meh, he's better than getting stabbed in the balls."

Yes, he is. And when you write that, what I, personally, am reading, is this: "Whatever they do is ok, as long as we eliminate one of our quarterly ball-stabbings."

Damage control is not the game the Left is playing, and they're still winning. Some of you want to play the politics game still: fine. At least we should start playing it the way that wins.

UWDude
09-26-2018, 07:51 PM
Look at all these "libertarians" on here defending the State, one of the foremost violators of the Non-Aggression Principle. You just have to apologize for, defend, and support your oppressors. Your state education brainwashed you well.

Any good defender of liberty wouldn't waste their time on the useless did he/didn't he sideshow of politics and get down to the facts of his defending government oppression. Instead you can't trip over reasons to defend him quickly enough. Just like a bunch of good little sheep.

Nobody cares what you think. Nobody cares if you call them "brainwashed". You are just a worthless pip on the internet.


Now I've come to the conclusion...

Do you want a lollipop for that?



demand he be accountable for his real crimes.

Bitch, please.
Who the fuck are you?
Why the fuck do you care then?
You gonna sit high in your moral tower and demand the supreme court be filled with 9 Ron Pauls, plus one back up Ron Paul?
Has your strategy worked yet? Maybe you just haven't preached the way of the NAP strong enough yet.
POST MORE! THE SUPREME COURT COULD BE FULL OF RON PAULS IF YOU WOULD JUST POST MORE!!

You are nothing but worthless prattle.
A rebel without a cause, without a following, without anybody to listen.
With nothing. A nobody on the internet, and that is pretty sad considering how easy it is to be somebody on the internet.

Has anything you written in the past 2 years, changed anybodies mind?
You're a terrible spokesman for your cause, and any minds you did change, were from agreement to opposition to you.
You are hurting your own pie-in-the-sky utopian "movement" of one.

So please, keep flapping your worthless jowls. Do my work for me, slave.

Swordsmyth
09-26-2018, 07:55 PM
:sorrow:

You realize that excuse is universal, right. "Oh, he started WWIII, but it's better than what Hillary would have done!"

When does that excuse go away? It's as bad as Obama blaming Bush. The hope was that if we ever got the chance to shift the balance of the Court, we'd do it with an eye towards liberty. Kavanaugh is a swamp-monster. As someone opposed to the surveillance state, I'm surprised to hear you say he's pretty decent. His record there is horrible.
It goes away when he runs for office and is oppose by a D who is better than him........................So NEVER.

I wanted someone better than Kavanaugh but he IS an improvement over Kennedy.

Swordsmyth
09-26-2018, 08:09 PM
And while you're arguing over stupid charges that will obviously never stick he'll get placed on the Supreme Court and he will continue the destruction of your basic liberties. And you stooges will just play along, thinking you've won some stupid victory over the "Leftist Media" while getting played like fiddles the entire time. This si nothing but political theater and and you're the ones getting played.
And you think it would be possible to get a better Justice without this happening to him/her?
Or maybe you really want a Justice so bad the Demoncrats wouldn't do this.

Swordsmyth
09-26-2018, 08:19 PM
Now a fourth anonymous accusation.....




https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/senate-probing-new-allegation-misconduct-against-kavanaugh-n913581

Maye they can blame him for every unsolved rape in the country next.

angelatc
09-26-2018, 09:14 PM
I'm actually sort of impressed that Kavanaugh was able to run DC rape parties for decades without a single peep to any authorities.

Susan Collins is now wavering: https://www.montrosepress.com/national/news/collins-raises-concerns-about-new-allegations/video_66cef98c-9e34-5f92-8e9c-83d0625c54ae.html

r3volution 3.0
09-26-2018, 09:34 PM
For the first one, I thought it wasn't much: at most a marginally successful (maybe counterproductive) delaying tactic for the Dems.

The second one didn't change things too drastically, though it gave the GOP a tougher row to hoe.

The third one....

....I still think whatshisname will be confirmed, to the boredom of the country going forward, but I wouldn't bet on it: 50/50.

eleganz
09-26-2018, 09:47 PM
This is now on the level of hilarity.

The real question is, dems know they will fail, why are they doing this? To drive angry #metoo dems to the polls in Nov? To fundraise?

It can also be assumed that all these Kavanaugh attacks are riling up the GOP base. People who otherwise might not have voted, have their ears perked.

r3volution 3.0
09-26-2018, 09:53 PM
This is now on the level of hilarity.

The real question is, dems know they will fail, why are they doing this? To drive angry #metoo dems to the polls in Nov? To fundraise?

Yep, and it'll probably work: add another 0.5% to the already large Dem lead.

nikcers
09-26-2018, 10:01 PM
Yep, and it'll probably work: add another 0.5% to the already large Dem lead.

That's a shit ton of money and donations. They are using the tea-party playbook. The establishment gets to run "anti establishment" democrats. Not only are they getting paid bank but they are poisoning the minds of our youth with ideas of a free lunch.

Swordsmyth
09-26-2018, 10:04 PM
Yep, and it'll probably work: add another 0.5% to the already large Dem lead.

LOL

It is firing up normal people to vote Republican.

Pauls' Revere
09-26-2018, 10:05 PM
Exactly and why it should not be tolerated. People need to take these people to task in a courtroom.

I'm watching the slow train wreck of our judicial system. From the FBI scandal to the Kavanaugh nomination. Its not going to stop, its a slow train wreck.

r3volution 3.0
09-26-2018, 10:06 PM
That's a shit ton of money and donations. They are using the tea-party playbook. The establishment gets to run "anti establishment" democrats. Not only are they getting paid bank but they are poisoning the minds of our youth with ideas of a free lunch.

So they get to join the club.

...government pays for medicine.

...Mexicans pay for the wall.

...no one pays for overseas carnage.

nikcers
09-26-2018, 10:08 PM
LOL

It is firing up normal people to vote Republican.

The problem with government is normal people vote, I wish normal people would shut the fuck up and stay home.

r3volution 3.0
09-26-2018, 10:08 PM
LOL

It is firing up normal people to vote Republican.

Do you think the GOP won't lose seats in the House?


The problem with government is normal people vote, I wish normal people would shut the fuck up and stay home.

https://media.giphy.com/media/5hHOBKJ8lw9OM/giphy.gif

Swordsmyth
09-26-2018, 10:09 PM
The problem with government is normal people vote, I wish normal people would shut the $#@! up and stay home.

Abnormal people are a much bigger problem.

Swordsmyth
09-26-2018, 10:10 PM
Do you think the GOP won't lose seats in the House?



https://media.giphy.com/media/5hHOBKJ8lw9OM/giphy.gif
They may lose a few but they won't lose the house, after this they will do better than were going to before it happened.

r3volution 3.0
09-26-2018, 10:15 PM
They may lose a few but they won't lose the house, after this they will do better than were going to before it happened.

They're going to lose more than a few...

In any event, the loss will reflect poorly on Retard, which is why it matters.

If the GOP does poorly in November, there's still a chance to reform the party.

Otherwise, ...Ted Nugent will be the next GOP nominee and a cuppa will cost $1,000,000 in twenty years.

Swordsmyth
09-26-2018, 10:19 PM
They're going to lose more than a few...

In any event, the loss will reflect poorly on Retard, which is why it matters.

If the GOP does poorly in November, there's still a chance to reform the party.

Otherwise, ...Ted Nugent will be the next GOP nominee and a cuppa will cost $1,000,000 in twenty years.

:tears:

nikcers
09-26-2018, 10:19 PM
Abnormal people are a much bigger problem.

Yeah because knowing how to manage money isn't important if you are voting for the government to manage money. I trust that guy that refills the butter at the movies to vote for people to balance the budget.

nikcers
09-26-2018, 10:31 PM
So they get to join the club.

...government pays for medicine.

...Mexicans pay for the wall.

...no one pays for overseas carnage.

Do you remember when the left wanted the president to create money to pay for government so they didn't have to borrow money? There are millions of people out there who think that money can be created out of thin air. I can only imagine that this is a result of government schools teaching people how to do math without understanding it.

Swordsmyth
09-26-2018, 10:34 PM
Yeah because knowing how to manage money isn't important if you are voting for the government to manage money. I trust that guy that refills the butter at the movies to vote for people to balance the budget.

We aren't talking about the same kind of abnormal people.

r3volution 3.0
09-26-2018, 10:37 PM
:tears:

I suppose we'll see if you're laughing in a couple decades.

:tears:

If Trump doesn't get electorally clobbered, American "conservatism" is done.

Likewise with England and Italy.

They must be crushed, else nationalism will permanently replace any semblance of sense.

I would actually prefer overt bolshevism, for the reason that it is an obvious enemy which does not pretend to be a friend.

Swordsmyth
09-26-2018, 10:39 PM
I suppose we'll see if you're laughing in a couple decades.

:tears:

If Trump doesn't get electorally clobbered, American "conservatism" is done.

Likewise with England and Italy.

They must be crushed, else nationalism will permanently replace any semblance of sense.

I would actually prefer overt bolshevism, for the reason that it is an obvious enemy which does not pretend to be a friend.

You get funnier all the time.

r3volution 3.0
09-26-2018, 10:40 PM
Do you remember when the left wanted the president to create money to pay for government so they didn't have to borrow money? There are millions of people out there who think that money can be created out of thin air. I can only imagine that this is a result of government schools teaching people how to do math without understanding it.

Including the President

devil21
09-26-2018, 10:41 PM
They're going to lose more than a few...

In any event, the loss will reflect poorly on Retard, which is why it matters.

If the GOP does poorly in November, there's still a chance to reform the party.

Otherwise, ...Ted Nugent will be the next GOP nominee and a cuppa will cost $1,000,000 in twenty years.

A nearby House district is almost assuredly going to flip from red to blue, after being red pretty much forever. The D is badly out-raising the R (3 to 1) and the R is running on an outdated evangelical platform that appeals to a lot of voters that died 2 years ago. Even the primary turnouts were lopsided in favor of the D in the district. If that district (NC9) is this badly in danger of losing a solid red seat, most are in danger. In an interesting twist, the L candidate (personal friend of mine) is having an easier time getting support from Ds than Rs. He says Rs won't give him the time of day.

r3volution 3.0
09-26-2018, 10:42 PM
You get funnier all the time.

...at the end of the day, it makes no difference what the 'oi polloi think.

:upsidedown:

nikcers
09-26-2018, 10:43 PM
I would actually prefer overt bolshevism, for the reason that it is an obvious enemy which does not pretend to be a friend.

It would be much more work for them if we fought back..


The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting - Sun Tzu

nikcers
09-26-2018, 10:44 PM
Including the President

Shit man it was helping me sleep at night believing he only said that to get elected. Now I am going to be up all night.

r3volution 3.0
09-26-2018, 10:48 PM
A nearby House district is almost assuredly going to flip from red to blue, after being red pretty much forever. The D is badly out-raising the R (3 to 1) and the R is running on an outdated evangelical platform that appeals to a lot of voters that died 2 years ago. Even the primary turnouts were lopsided in favor of the D in the district. If that district (NC9) is this badly in danger of losing a solid red seat, most are in danger. In an interesting twist, the L candidate (personal friend of mine) is having an easier time getting support from Ds than Rs. He says Rs won't give him the time of day.

Sounds like what I've been hearing

There's going to be a huge demand for skilled Trumpsplainers the next morning (deep state, etc).

Even if it doesn't lead to the political implosion of Trump, it should be pretty entertaining.

Swordsmyth
09-26-2018, 10:48 PM
...at the end of the day, it makes no difference what the 'oi polloi think.

:upsidedown:

Or what you think.

TheCount
09-26-2018, 11:03 PM
Do you remember when the left wanted the president to create money to pay for government so they didn't have to borrow money?

Now you'll be accused of trolling and/or being insufficiently loyal to party or person if you disagree with this policy on this forum.

TheCount
09-26-2018, 11:06 PM
Sounds like what I've been hearing

There's going to be a huge demand for skilled Trumpsplainers the next morning (deep state, etc).

Even if it doesn't lead to the political implosion of Trump, it should be pretty entertaining.

I'd suggest a Trumpsplaining-themed drinking game, but I fear that it would be lethal.

r3volution 3.0
09-26-2018, 11:08 PM
It would be much more work for them if we fought back..

"The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting" - Sun Tzu

Pink characters have been silently sliding into western civilization for a long time.

...some of them talk about nation, and family, and culture; but they really mean communism (whether they know it or not).

It's funny how the internet nationalists think they're doing something new.

...some wise man once said that those who understand history are doomed to watch others repeat it.

r3volution 3.0
09-26-2018, 11:11 PM
I'd suggest a Trumpsplaining-themed drinking game, but I fear that it would be lethal.

Think-or-Drink

...you're right, everyone would die of alcohol poisoning.

TER
09-26-2018, 11:14 PM
So you're not concerned with the truth as long as someone you disagree with politically is being destroyed?

One of the most destructive symptoms of TDS. Sad, actually.

Swordsmyth
09-26-2018, 11:14 PM
Pink characters have been silently sliding into western civilization for a long time.

...some of them talk about nation, and family, and culture; but they really mean communism (whether they know it or not).
Actually it is the anti-nationalists that are in favor of communism whether they know it or not, the commies love internationalism.



It's funny how the internet nationalists think they're doing something new.
We know we are doing something old, something that with all its faults worked better than the experiments with international utopia have.


...some wise man once said that those who understand history are doomed to watch others repeat it.
A very wise man.

devil21
09-26-2018, 11:14 PM
It would be much more work for them if we fought back..

Face it, we're basically back in the GWB days again. Same old Skull n Bones Bush Israeli dual citizen crew back in office, overt war brewing, Fox News running the same cheerleader script and MSNBC having a coronary. Republicans treating libertarians like a pox to be avoided (but they still want your votes, of course). Hell, even Code Pink has started to crawl out from under the rock they lived under during Obama's years. Nothin' new under the sun, as they say.

nikcers
09-26-2018, 11:15 PM
You know I didn't think that this guy would be good for government until I heard that he had relevant experience in gang rape.

TER
09-26-2018, 11:16 PM
I used to think people just enjoyed political theater. Now I've come to the conclusion that most of them can't see the play happening right before their eyes. Obviously these charges aren't meant to stick. They can't. There isn't any way to prove them. And the end result is going to be he gets the post while no one actually addresses the real issue. And all these supposedly "woke" people on here can't see how they're furthering the useless media narrative that only will end up reinforcing his appointment along partisan lines instead of standing up and demand he be accountable for his real crimes.

The reason this circus is happening is because:

1) The deep state is worried about military tribunals

and

2) many progressives are mental midgets and very quick to throw out truth and justice when they don’t get what they want

TheCount
09-26-2018, 11:17 PM
Think-or-Drink

...you're right, everyone would die of alcohol poisoning.

I was thinking along the line of a bingo card of key Trumpsplanation terms, drink for each usage.

It would depend on how soon after the election you played the game. Based on this forum, it takes about 10-12 hours for Trumpsplanations to promulgate. Prior to that, there may be diversity of thought and language. After that, all discussion will coalesce around a single term or concept.

TheCount
09-26-2018, 11:17 PM
The deep state is worried about military tribunals

Oh wow you really are all in on this aren't you?

TER
09-26-2018, 11:21 PM
Oh wow you really are all in on this aren't you?

All in on this?

I’m just calling it as I see it.

r3volution 3.0
09-26-2018, 11:22 PM
I was thinking along the line of a bingo card of key Trumpsplanation terms, drink for each usage.

It would depend on how soon after the election you played the game. Based on this forum, it takes about 10-12 hours for Trumpsplanations to promulgate. Prior to that, there may be diversity of thought and language. After that, all discussion will coalesce around a single term or concept.

The promulgation of propaganda is impressively efficient, isn't it?

I guess we have to give Bannon some credit on that front; he did learn something in his time on Wall Street.

UWDude
09-26-2018, 11:22 PM
You know I didn't think that this guy would be good for government until I heard that he had relevant experience in gang rape.

oh snap

TheCount
09-26-2018, 11:24 PM
All in on this?

I’m just calling it as I see it.

You see deep state military tribunals?

TER
09-26-2018, 11:24 PM
You see deep state military tribunals?

Yes. That and dead people.

r3volution 3.0
09-26-2018, 11:24 PM
You see deep state military tribunals?

I'm going to go look under my bed.

TER
09-26-2018, 11:27 PM
https://youtu.be/3_gmOsnjrZw

UWDude
09-26-2018, 11:28 PM
...at the end of the day, it makes no difference what the 'oi polloi think.

:upsidedown:

that's what the second is for. It's gonna matter pretty fucking soon. Shot heard round the world part III. Two in one decade.

r3volution 3.0
09-26-2018, 11:32 PM
that's what the second is for. It's gonna matter pretty fucking soon. Shot heard round the world part III. Two in one decade.

It matters in the short term, since it affects political outcomes in this political system.

In the longer term, this political system won't exist.

UWDude
09-26-2018, 11:40 PM
It matters in the short term, since it affects political outcomes in this political system.

In the longer term, this political system won't exist.

I wasn't talking about political systems. Political systems are nothing more than paper standing in the way of a gun.
Of course this political systems wont exist:
1) its always changing anyway, bit by bit, day by day.
2) Guns trump "the law" and all the silliness behind it. Guns are the true law. Paper is just defacto justification.

It's not gonna turn out the way you hope, in any way.
And that's a good thing.
Because you want it bad. You want out of your world, clinging to the hope of some fantastic change, Azathoth just comes in and changes life for you so you feel better for it.
Life is never going to be fair. Ever. Not even fucking close.

By the way, your future is exactly what you see around you. Hunched over, burning with rage. staring your nights away into a glowing LCD display.

Pitiful creature, you are.

nikcers
09-26-2018, 11:43 PM
https://youtu.be/3_gmOsnjrZw
Laws of war and armed conflict are only valid when they are constitutional not the other way around. This is why the justice system is upside down.

TER
09-26-2018, 11:45 PM
Laws of war and armed conflict are only valid when they are constitutional not the other way around. This is why the justice system is upside down.

Maybe so. Nevertheless, [they] skeered

r3volution 3.0
09-27-2018, 12:00 AM
I wasn't talking about political systems. Political systems are nothing more than paper standing in the way of a gun.
Of course this political systems wont exist:
1) its always changing anyway, bit by bit, day by day.
2) Guns trump "the law" and all the silliness behind it. Guns are the true law. Paper is just defacto justification.

...which has no bearing on what I said.


It's not gonna turn out the way you hope, in any way.
And that's a good thing.
Because you want it bad. You want out of your world, clinging to the hope of some fantastic change, Azathoth just comes in and changes life for you so you feel better for it.
Life is never going to be fair. Ever. Not even fucking close.

By the way, your future is exactly what you see around you. Hunched over, burning with rage. staring your nights away into a glowing LCD display.

Pitiful creature, you are.

O

nikcers
09-27-2018, 12:08 AM
Maybe so. Nevertheless, [they] skeered
Yeah some people are scared of their own shadow and others are scared because too much power is gravitating to the executive branch. These people are trying to destroy my country and they have the balls to say that people who betray our country should be hanged. This whole cheerleading of the executive managing trade was what we were against when Obama was president, not because we didn't agree with Obama managing the economy, but because we didn't agree with the government managing the money.

TER
09-27-2018, 12:14 AM
Yeah some people are scared of their own shadow and others are scared because too much power is gravitating to the executive branch. These people are trying to destroy my country and they have the balls to say that people who betray our country should be hanged. This whole cheerleading of the executive managing trade was what we were against when Obama was president, not because we didn't agree with Obama managing the economy, but because we didn't agree with the government managing the money.

Blah blah

You lost all credibility a long time ago. We aren’t talking about trade. We are talking about treason.

People get hanged for treason. Those are not my rules, or Trumps. Personally, I would rather they spend the rest of their lives in jail. Maybe they can repent if they have done evil.

nikcers
09-27-2018, 12:19 AM
Blah blah

You lost all credibility a long time ago

People get hanged for treason. Those are not my rules, or Trumps. Personally, I would rather they spend the rest of their lives in jail. Maybe they can repent if they have done evil.
I lost credibility but the guy who wants Bush's staff secretary to be Supreme court...and John Bolton gives him foreign policy advice- this is the guy that is going to get rid of political corruption?

devil21
09-27-2018, 12:21 AM
Blah blah

You lost all credibility a long time ago. We aren’t talking about trade. We are talking about treason.

People get hanged for treason. Those are not my rules, or Trumps. Personally, I would rather they spend the rest of their lives in jail. Maybe they can repent if they have done evil.

That slick Trump, lulling the deep state into a false sense of a security by doing everything they tell him to do. Letting them get comfy with his 48D chess. So sly, that guy. Any day now the indictments will be unsealed and then he'll show 'em who's boss! Q told me so!

TER
09-27-2018, 12:25 AM
I lost credibility but the guy who wants Bush's press secretary to be Supreme court...and John Bolton gives him foreign policy advice- this is the guy that is going to get rid of political corruption?

To a much better degree than anyone else who ran in 2016 (maybe except for Rand, but I’m not sure he could have done as well so far).

All things considered, Trump is doing a fantastic job.

TER
09-27-2018, 12:26 AM
That slick Trump, lulling the deep state into a false sense of a security by doing everything they tell him to do. Letting them get comfy with his 48D chess. So sly, that guy. Any day now the indictments will be unsealed and then he'll show 'em who's boss! Q told me so!

Bravo! Someone is waking up!

nikcers
09-27-2018, 12:36 AM
To a much better degree than anyone else who ran in 2016 (maybe except for Rand, but I’m not sure he could have done as well so far).

All things considered, Trump is doing a fantastic job.
Well of course you like the Job Trump is doing, you cheer leaded Jeff Sessions on Ron Paul forums after Ron Paul said he should fire Jeff Sessions.

ThePaleoLibertarian
09-27-2018, 01:05 AM
Well, well, well... Julie Swetnick (accuser #3) was once represented in a sexual harassment case by lesbo lawyer Debra Katz, who is currently representing Christine Ford (accuser #1). Very interesting indeed:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/politics/julie-swetnick-debra-katz-settlement/index.html

openfire
09-27-2018, 01:16 AM
For the first one, I thought it wasn't much: at most a marginally successful (maybe counterproductive) delaying tactic for the Dems.

The second one didn't change things too drastically, though it gave the GOP a tougher row to hoe.

The third one....

....I still think whatshisname will be confirmed, to the boredom of the country going forward, but I wouldn't bet on it: 50/50.

Be honest. You hope he doesn't get confirmed, dems take the house in the midterms and stonewall a Trump SCOTUS pic until the commies take the Whitehouse in 2020.

nikcers
09-27-2018, 01:18 AM
Be honest. You hope he doesn't get confirmed, dems take the house in the midterms and stonewall a Trump SCOTUS pic until the commies take the Whitehouse in 2020.
Is Comey running in 2020 for the Democrat ticket?

phill4paul
09-27-2018, 05:09 AM
I'm hoping that is the case here, especially, as I noted above, he has gone through this nonsense...I would hope he would learn a valuable lesson about individual rights, due process, and false accusations.

Well, perhaps having him on the bench might be a good thing in light of what Ginsburg said last night and how he might hold a grudge...


Ginsburg cheers on #MeToo movement in advance of Kavanaugh-Ford hearing

"Every woman of my vintage has not just one story but many stories, but we thought there was nothing you could do about it – boys will be boys – so just find a way to get out of it."

"So it was one complaint and then one after another the complaints mounted. So women nowadays are not silent about bad behavior."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/27/ginsburg-cheers-on-metoo-movement-in-advance-kavanaugh-ford-hearing.html

Anti Federalist
09-27-2018, 10:26 AM
So women nowadays are not silent about bad behavior.

Yet woemen continue to give short shrift to the hard working, squared away, "beta" that carries their ass through life and instead seek out the badly behaving "alpha" to fuck.

They're nuts and to be avoided at all costs, just like cops.

devil21
09-27-2018, 10:28 AM
Bravo! Someone is waking up!

:snort:

PierzStyx
09-27-2018, 12:17 PM
The reason this circus is happening is because:

1) The deep state is worried about military tribunals

and

2) many progressives are mental midgets and very quick to throw out truth and justice when they don’t get what they want

I'm not sure I understand your first point. The Deep State is the military. Well, more appropriately the National Security Complex -military, NSA, CIA, etc.

To your second, these charges aren't that crazy. I mean, let me ask you, could you see a drunken frat boy start making out with a woman and not know when to stop because he is wasted and his mental faculties are nonexistent? Because I can. I can also see a drunken college kid thinking it was funny to flash his dick at someone. These kind of events happen often enough they're tropes in most college movies, for good and bad.

So if you're saying that you have to be stupid to believe this could have happened with Kavanaugh when he was in college, I'm going to have to disagree. Nor do I particularly find it disturbing, perhaps depressing but not disturbing, that so many whose entire concept of politics is wrapped up in idiot partisan loyalty are caught up in the distraction.

What I find disturbing is that so many on here, who claim to really be aware of the "deep state" and to be "woke" to the dangers of the government eat this kind of garbage up just as quickly as the rest of the idiot sheep.

PierzStyx
09-27-2018, 12:20 PM
Be honest. You hope he doesn't get confirmed, dems take the house in the midterms and stonewall a Trump SCOTUS pic until the commies take the Whitehouse in 2020.

The Commies run the White House right now, or have you ignored the fact that Trump's economic polices have more in common with FDR than they do Adam Smith?

PierzStyx
09-27-2018, 12:23 PM
You see deep state military tribunals?

Progressives love their revolutionary military tribunals.

RJB
09-27-2018, 01:39 PM
To your second, these charges aren't that crazy. I mean, let me ask you, could you see a drunken frat boy start making out with a woman and not know when to stop because he is wasted and his mental faculties are nonexistent? Because I can. I can also see a drunken college kid thinking it was funny to flash his dick at someone. These kind of events happen often enough they're tropes in most college movies, for good and bad.
.Are you aware that many people enjoy a beer without raping women and that just because something happens in a movie, doesn't mean it is reality?

TheCount
09-27-2018, 02:11 PM
That slick Trump, lulling the deep state into a false sense of a security by doing everything they tell him to do. Letting them get comfy with his 48D chess. So sly, that guy. Any day now the indictments will be unsealed and then he'll show 'em who's boss! Q told me so!
On the nose.

phill4paul
09-27-2018, 02:39 PM
Are you aware that many people enjoy a beer without raping women and that just because something happens in a movie, doesn't mean it is reality?

I'm on my forth beer of the evening. I've gang raped 14 woemans and blacked out twice.

r3volution 3.0
09-27-2018, 06:37 PM
Be honest. You hope he doesn't get confirmed, dems take the house in the midterms and stonewall a Trump SCOTUS pic until the commies take the Whitehouse in 2020.

I've been quite clear.

Ir would be best if the GOP gets clobbered in November, so as to discredit Trump & create some room for libertarians to regain ground.

Whether rapey gets confirmed or not doesn't matter in itself (and he will almost certainly be confirmed).

Any other nominee by Trump, or by any future Trumps-former-party President will be substantively the same.

That really doesn't matter. It's all about the House this November.

nbhadja
09-27-2018, 06:49 PM
Do you think the GOP won't lose seats in the House?



https://media.giphy.com/media/5hHOBKJ8lw9OM/giphy.gif

The GOP will gain seats in the House and Senate. You have fallen for liberal fake BS propaganda, the same garbage that said Hillary had a 97% chance of beating Trump. There is a reason that democrats have record low fundraising and the GOP has a record high fundraising.

I will bump this thread up in November after the GOP gains even more control. There is a red wave coming.

nbhadja
09-27-2018, 06:53 PM
I'm not sure I understand your first point. The Deep State is the military. Well, more appropriately the National Security Complex -military, NSA, CIA, etc.

To your second, these charges aren't that crazy. I mean, let me ask you, could you see a drunken frat boy start making out with a woman and not know when to stop because he is wasted and his mental faculties are nonexistent? Because I can. I can also see a drunken college kid thinking it was funny to flash his dick at someone. These kind of events happen often enough they're tropes in most college movies, for good and bad.

So if you're saying that you have to be stupid to believe this could have happened with Kavanaugh when he was in college, I'm going to have to disagree. Nor do I particularly find it disturbing, perhaps depressing but not disturbing, that so many whose entire concept of politics is wrapped up in idiot partisan loyalty are caught up in the distraction.

What I find disturbing is that so many on here, who claim to really be aware of the "deep state" and to be "woke" to the dangers of the government eat this kind of garbage up just as quickly as the rest of the idiot sheep.

Not all of the military is the deep state. There are many patriots in the military and it was more the CIA, DOJ, and FBI that was corrupted. They are purging it all.

As for Kavanaugh these specific charges are crazy and BS. The accuser has cannot remember any basic details and she has changed her story several times. Also the 4 witnesses she provided all under the penalties of perjury say they do not remember the party or Kavanaugh. It is clear that you have not followed this case with any detail.

heavenlyboy34
09-27-2018, 06:58 PM
It matters in the short term, since it affects political outcomes in this political system.

In the longer term, this political system won't exist.

I disagree.

The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who count the votes do. Democracy and all its variants (Republicanism, etc) are frauds, delusions.

r3volution 3.0
09-27-2018, 07:00 PM
The GOP will gain seats in the House and Senate.

They're going to lose a couple dozens seats in the House.

The Senate will probably be a wash, no net gain either way.


You have fallen for liberal fake BS propaganda, the same garbage that said Hillary had a 97% chance of beating Trump. There is a reason that democrats have record low fundraising and the GOP has a record high fundraising.

I will bump this thread up in November after the GOP gains even more control. There is a red wave coming.

Of course my horse...

r3volution 3.0
09-27-2018, 07:05 PM
Democracy and all its variants (Republicanism, etc) are frauds, delusions.

Indeed, hence:


It matters in the short term, since it affects political outcomes in this political system.

In the longer term, this political system won't exist.

RJB
09-27-2018, 07:17 PM
The GOP will gain seats in the House and Senate. You have fallen for liberal fake BS propaganda, the same garbage that said Hillary had a 97% chance of beating Trump. There is a reason that democrats have record low fundraising and the GOP has a record high fundraising.

I will bump this thread up in November after the GOP gains even more control. There is a red wave coming.

Make a bet with him to use a pro-Trump slogan as his avatar like he did for the 2016 results. Rev 33 never learns

AZJoe
09-27-2018, 09:10 PM
Well, well, well... Julie Swetnick (accuser #3) was once represented in a sexual harassment case by lesbo lawyer Debra Katz, who is currently representing Christine Ford (accuser #1). Very interesting indeed:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/politics/julie-swetnick-debra-katz-settlement/index.html

What a convenient coincidence!!! Julie Swetnick, the other "witness" coming forward was also represented by the same law firm representing Christine Ford.
Julie Swetnick the person who attended gang-rape parties where woman were drugged and gang raped by lines of men, and Swetnick kept going back to these criminal gang-rape parties over and over, partaking in the parties and covering up the alleged crimes by keeping silent about the felonious crimes she was witness to for 35 years. Until now, when despite all those all those scores of victims, participants and hundreds or even thousands of witnesses Swetnick alone decided speak out about the events. Yet Swetnick can give us no names of any victims, perpetrators, or other witnesses, other than she is sure Kavanaugh was present at these vague and nebulous gang-rape parties that Swetnick kept attending over and over.

And just who is paying the attorney fees for Swetnick and Ford? Don't the American people, and the Congress deserve to know who is funding the lawyers for these left-wing pop-up witnesses?

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AZJoe
09-27-2018, 09:51 PM
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AZJoe
09-27-2018, 09:51 PM
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angelatc
09-28-2018, 12:29 AM
At this point it's about the process and not the accusation. If the GOP doesn't confirm him, this hearing will look tame by future standards.

phill4paul
09-28-2018, 01:00 AM
At this point it's about the process and not the accusation. If the GOP doesn't confirm him, this hearing will look tame by future standards.

Damn straight. And we spoke of this back in the day over Roy Moore. We predicted it, fer Christ sakes. And here we are.

phill4paul
09-28-2018, 01:08 AM
At this point it's about the process and not the accusation. If the GOP doesn't confirm him, this hearing will look tame by future standards.

This guy wasn't coached well enough. When asked why he wouldn't ask the FBI for an investigation he should have replied...

"Why the hell would I do that? For ten days myself and my family have been subjected to defamation and slander by the FAKE news media and the Democrats sitting on this committee. Why would I ever subject my family to another day more of this charade."
Drop mike.

I didn't just make this up. I turned to the love of my life and said this is what he should have said the first time it was proffered.

angelatc
09-28-2018, 01:46 PM
This guy wasn't coached well enough. When asked why he wouldn't ask the FBI for an investigation he should have replied...

"Why the hell would I do that? For ten days myself and my family have been subjected to defamation and slander by the FAKE news media and the Democrats sitting on this committee. Why would I ever subject my family to another day more of this charade."
Drop mike.

I didn't just make this up. I turned to the love of my life and said this is what he should have said the first time it was proffered.

He should have said that decision was up to the Senate, not him. Then reiterate that he's been through 6 FBI background checks and none of this had ever come up.

He's a judge, so I think we can assume he's seen people try to drag out trials. That's what this is.

I haven't seen the news today, but I believe Manchin is going to cross the line and vote for him. Flake, Murkowski and Collins were on the fence. Fucking spineless Republicans. The Democrats never have these problems.

Brian4Liberty
09-28-2018, 01:53 PM
Flake, Murkowski and Collins were on the fence. Fucking spineless Republicans. The Democrats never have these problems.

The Democrats make emotional arguments to emotional people. When emotion rules, logic, process, fairness and reason be damned. By any means necessary. The ends justify the means.

nikcers
09-28-2018, 02:00 PM
The Democrats make emotional arguments to emotional people. When emotion rules, logic, process, fairness and reason be damned. By any means necessary. The ends justify the means.

Lindsay Graham tugs at peoples heart strings too apparently its just the libertarians that hate emotional appeals because we know we are just getting conned.

Valli6
09-28-2018, 02:39 PM
This guy wasn't coached well enough. When asked why he wouldn't ask the FBI for an investigation he should have replied...

"Why the hell would I do that? For ten days myself and my family have been subjected to defamation and slander by the FAKE news media and the Democrats sitting on this committee. Why would I ever subject my family to another day more of this charade."
Drop mike.

I didn't just make this up. I turned to the love of my life and said this is what he should have said the first time it was proffered.

He should've said:

Sure! Right after I ask the IRS to audit me!

Brian4Liberty
09-28-2018, 02:44 PM
Lindsay Graham tugs at peoples heart strings too apparently its just the libertarians that hate emotional appeals because we know we are just getting conned.

RINOs like Graham and Flake count as Dems... ;)

phill4paul
09-28-2018, 03:43 PM
He should have said that decision was up to the Senate, not him. Then reiterate that he's been through 6 FBI background checks and none of this had ever come up.

He's a judge, so I think we can assume he's seen people try to drag out trials. That's what this is.

I haven't seen the news today, but I believe Manchin is going to cross the line and vote for him. Flake, Murkowski and Collins were on the fence. Fucking spineless Republicans. The Democrats never have these problems.

Fucking spineless is right.

Swordsmyth
10-02-2018, 09:45 PM
The Senate Judiciary Committee has released a letter from former meteorologist and former Democratic candidate for Maryland's 8th district, Dennis Ketterer, who claims that Brett Kavanaugh's third accuser and Michael Avenatti client, Julie Swetnick, was a group-sex enthusiast that he initially mistook for a prostitute at a 1993 Washington D.C. going-away party for a colleague.
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/swet1.jpg

"Due to her having a directly stated penchant for group sex, I decided not to see her anytmore" -Dennis Ketterer
Ketterer writes that Swetnick approached him "alone, quite beautiful, well-dressed and no drink in hand."
"Consequently, my initial thought was that she might be a high end call girl because at the time I weighed 350lbs so what would someone like her want with me?"
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/kette.jpg
The former meteorologist then said that since "there was no conversation about exchanging sex for money" he decided to keep talking to her, noting that he had never been hit on in a bar before.
Over the ensuing weeks, Ketterer claims that he and Swetnick met at her residence for an extramarital affair that did not involve sex.

"Although we were not emotionally involved there was physical contact. We never had sex despite the fact that she was very sexually aggressive with me.
...
During a conversation about our sexual preferences, things got derailed when Julie told me that she liked to have sex with more than one guy at a time. In fact sometimes with several at one time. She wanted to know if that would be ok in our relationship.
Ketterer claims that since the AIDS epidemic was a "huge issue" at the time and he had children, he decided to cut things off with Swetnick. He goes on to mention that she never said anything about being "sexually assaulted, raped, gang-raped or having sex against her will," and that she "never mentioned Brett Kavanaugh in any capacity."
After Ketterer decided to run for Congress in Maryland, he thought Julie could be of service to his campaign - however he lost her phone number. After contacting her father, he learned that Julie had "psychological and other problems at the time."

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/kavanaugh-gang-bang-accuser-savaged-witness-over-penchant-group-sex

Brian4Liberty
10-02-2018, 10:05 PM
The Senate Judiciary Committee has released a letter from former meteorologist and former Democratic candidate for Maryland's 8th district, Dennis Ketterer, who claims that Brett Kavanaugh's third accuser and Michael Avenatti client, Julie Swetnick, was a group-sex enthusiast that he initially mistook for a prostitute at a 1993 Washington D.C. going-away party for a colleague.
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/swet1.jpg

"Due to her having a directly stated penchant for group sex, I decided not to see her anytmore" -Dennis Ketterer
Ketterer writes that Swetnick approached him "alone, quite beautiful, well-dressed and no drink in hand."
"Consequently, my initial thought was that she might be a high end call girl because at the time I weighed 350lbs so what would someone like her want with me?"
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/kette.jpg
The former meteorologist then said that since "there was no conversation about exchanging sex for money" he decided to keep talking to her, noting that he had never been hit on in a bar before.
Over the ensuing weeks, Ketterer claims that he and Swetnick met at her residence for an extramarital affair that did not involve sex.

"Although we were not emotionally involved there was physical contact. We never had sex despite the fact that she was very sexually aggressive with me.
...
During a conversation about our sexual preferences, things got derailed when Julie told me that she liked to have sex with more than one guy at a time. In fact sometimes with several at one time. She wanted to know if that would be ok in our relationship.
Ketterer claims that since the AIDS epidemic was a "huge issue" at the time and he had children, he decided to cut things off with Swetnick. He goes on to mention that she never said anything about being "sexually assaulted, raped, gang-raped or having sex against her will," and that she "never mentioned Brett Kavanaugh in any capacity."
After Ketterer decided to run for Congress in Maryland, he thought Julie could be of service to his campaign - however he lost her phone number. After contacting her father, he learned that Julie had "psychological and other problems at the time."

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/kavanaugh-gang-bang-accuser-savaged-witness-over-penchant-group-sex

Now they have to have the FBI investigate this Ketterer fellow and then have him testify in front of Congress. May take another three weeks for that to happen...

Brian4Liberty
10-02-2018, 10:09 PM
I saw a lot of lines in hallways at High School and College parties with people waiting for their turn in the room.









(The bathroom).

timosman
10-02-2018, 11:24 PM
Democrats should protect the minority group - people who like group sex.

Chester Copperpot
10-03-2018, 08:03 AM
Hey, look at it this way, maybe this will lead to an epiphany on his part.

Brett, after going through what just happened to you, maybe you'll want to re-consider judicial "logic" that allows such assaults on the freedoms of millions of other citizens, falsely accused and ruined and/or imprisoned due to running afoul of CPS or asset forfeiture laws or "no fly lists" or PATRIOT Act provisions or illegal and unwarranted surveillance or a million other ways you can go to jail in AmeriKa these days.

This is what I say. Let the entirety of federal law enforcement come down on him hard with a microscope up his ass via every anti-terrosim, patriot-act induced method of recourse they have (as deemed by Kavanaugh himself as allowed) so maybe after its all done and said he will have a change of mind.

Swordsmyth
10-03-2018, 03:13 PM
Louisiana Republican Sen. Bill Cassidy on Tuesday recommended an FBI investigation into Swetnick for making false statements about Judge Kavanaugh.
A criminal referral should be sent to the FBI/DOJ regarding the apparently false affidavit signed by Julie Swetnick that was submitted to the Senate by @MichaelAvenatti (https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw).
— U.S. Senator Bill Cassidy, M.D. (@SenBillCassidy) October 2, 2018 (https://twitter.com/SenBillCassidy/status/1047163667861721088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) The threat of a probe into his own client did not daunt the pop lawyer, who on Wednesday morning tweeted (https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti/status/1047446157058854912)that "we still have yet to hear anything from the FBI despite a new witness coming forward & submitting a declaration last night. We now have multiple witnesses that support the allegations and they are all prepared to be interviewed by the FBI. Trump’s “investigation” is a scam."
And, in keeping with his "shock" approach to the practice of law, moments ago Avenatti released a sworn, redacted statement with from yet another witness claiming to have seen Brett Kavanaugh and his friend Mark Judge "drink excessively and be overly aggressive and verbally abusive toward girls."

Yet another accuser has come forward (see sworn stmt below). She is prepared to meet with the FBI today and disclose multiple facts and witnesses. pic.twitter.com/eNsCAau6no (https://t.co/eNsCAau6no)
— Michael Avenatti (@MichaelAvenatti) October 3, 2018 (https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti/status/1047447758993547265?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) In the statement, the unnamed accuser said she met both men in 1980 at beach week in Ocean City, Md, where she witnessed conduct that included "inappropriate physical contact with girls of a sexual nature."
The witness also reportedly saw Kavanaugh and others "spike" "punch" at house parties with Quaaludes and/or grain alcohol during the period 1981-82.
With little to lose - considering the FBI investigation into Kavanaugh may conclude as soon as today - the latest Avenatti client said that she knows the other Kavanaugh accusers, Christine Blasey Ford and Julie Swetnick, and believes they are truthful, and added that she was aware of other inappropriate conduct and other witnesses.
Meanwhile Avenatti, desperate to be taken seriously, said that his witness is "prepared to meet with the FBI today and disclose multiple facts and witnesses." The only question is whether the FBI is prepared to meet with her.

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-03/avenatti-reveals-new-accuser-who-saw-kavanaugh-spike-punch-abuse-girls

AZJoe
10-03-2018, 08:03 PM
1047163667861721088

AZJoe
10-04-2018, 07:34 PM
If anyone ever wondered what happened to the banjo playing kid from Deliverance - Michael Avenatti

https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/43207480_10215342936880328_6908647061042757632_n.j pg?_nc_cat=101&oh=a57e4d50214c4c2c0a649a03503f6a71&oe=5C547459