Somalis Riot at Minnesota Amusement Park, Forcing Evacuation

[Swordsmyth]

On Saturday September 22, 2018 at the ValleyFair amusement park in Shakopee, Minnesota, police and emergency responders had to evacuate all guests after a mob of Somali teenagers and men rushed through security and caused several violent fights to break out inside the park.
According to eyewitnesses who were at the park to celebrate Law Enforcement Appreciation Day, a group of nearly 100 Somali men mob rushed past security and amusement park staffers at the front entrance, and proceeded to run through the park and instigate fights among themselves and with guests.
As several violent fights broke out, guests began to panic as reports of people being stabbed and shot began to circulate.


Cliff Hallberg, who was inside the park with his children at the time the fights broke out said it was very frightening for his children. “I saw about 60 Somali teenagers push their way through lines and scream at guests.”

Hallberg said tickets to the ValleyScare Halloween themed amusement park are usually expensive, which is why he attended on LEO appreciation day, as he himself is a member of law enforcement and received discounted tickets.
“I’ll take my kids back to ValleyFair someday when I can afford it. I’m just glad I got my kids out safely,” Hallberg said.
The violent fights erupted during Law enforcement appreciation day when the park was full of police officers and other members of law enforcement who received discounted tickets so that their families could enjoy the amusement park. An estimated 263 police officers responded to the fights inside the park, according to witnesses.
“This looked like a targeted attack on law enforcement,” Hallberg added.
Hallberg also told Big League Politics that his car was spit on and that the rioters were setting off car alarms and causing chaos in the parking lot, all of which can be seen in video that was exclusively obtained by this reporter.


In the video, a woman who was evacuated and filming from inside her car can be heard saying, “Oh my god! We are never going to make it out of here.”
WATCH:

EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: Eyewitnesses & law enforcement say nearly 100 “Somali men” mob rushed @ValleyfairMN (https://twitter.com/ValleyfairMN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) amusement park in #Minnesota (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Minnesota?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) on Saturday, causing police & emergency responders to EVACUATE all guests!
Media & police covering up the fact rioters were a “violent Somali mob”. pic.twitter.com/CSsPaEe8c1 (https://t.co/CSsPaEe8c1)
— Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) September 25, 2018 (https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1044703919379755008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
Following reports of the fights, ValleyFair tweeted, “There were incidents on September 22 at Valleyfair that required assistance on property from Shakopee police officers and were quickly addressed. The safety of our guests is our top priority.”

There were incidents on September 22 at Valleyfair that required assistance on property from Shakopee police officers and were quickly addressed. The safety of our guests is our top priority.
— ValleySCARE (@ValleyfairMN) September 23, 2018 (https://twitter.com/ValleyfairMN/status/1043705963516186624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
What ValleyFair failed to mention in their tweet is that the fights were so violent that Shakopee police officers had to evacuate the entire park which was full of children. The spokesperson for the park also never disclosed that a police K-9 unit was called to the scene, ambulances and firetrucks responded, and a police helicopter was ordered to fly above the park as people were being evacuated, all of which was caught on video.
A Facebook post posted by one of the ValleyFair attendees noted,

“Just left ValleyFair. Several Somalians fighting, knocking over Halloween props, knocking people over Halloween props, knocking people over terrorizing young children. ValleyFair shut down. Somalians pushing kids over. Running from police in the parking lot in circles. I stood in front of about 15 lost and terrified young children until their parents could find them.”

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After guests were evacuated, ValleyFair park remained closed for the rest of the night, something the amusement park failed to mention when they referred to the violent fights on Twitter as a “previously mentioned incident”.
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According to eyewitnesses and police officers who wish to remain anonymous, they believe the media is covering up the fact that the violent rioters were Somali men because the media and police don’t want to offend the Muslim Somali population or influence the upcoming election.
Officers in Minnesota have told this reporter that they are often told to avoid using the word Somali when discussing crimes committed by members of the Somali population because police and local Democrats have asked them to “stand down” in an effort to create positive community relations between Minnesota natives and the continually increasing Muslim Somali “refugee” population.

More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/exclusive-video-somalis-riot-at-minnesota-amusement-park-forcing-evacuation/

[TheTexan]

All of them should be immediately deported.

Noone fucks with Law Enforcement Appreciation Day.

I'm calling my congressman first thing in the morning.

[goldenequity]

I'm calling my congressman first thing in the morning.
good man. sum people are clueless.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EaSlj37vV0

[jkr]

fwd: Keith Ellison

[AuH20]

You can't take the Somali out of them. Sad actually.

[TheCount]

Sounds legit

[CaptUSA]

You can't take the Somali out of them. Sad actually.

Must be the lack of a strong government. They just can't understand the concept of "Law Enforcement Appreciation Day".

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/962/905/553.jpg

[AuH20]

Must be the lack of a strong government. They just can't understand the concept of "Law Enforcement Appreciation Day".

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/962/905/553.jpg

That and no concept of NAP. Some cultures are clueless.

[timosman]

That and no concept of NAP. Some cultures are clueless.


I've never been an adherent to the NAP...

It's a good and noble idea though..

:rolleyes:

[Wooden Indian]

A well armed society strongly discourages this type of behavior.

BTW, those that doubt this kind of behavior by these "people", you're wrong.

Take a look behind multiple violent rapes and stabbings in Europe, past the misleading headlines where they dance around the perpetrator's nationality, and make excuses on their motives, and you'll find scores of events like this and far worse.

Don't claim to support liberty while supporting the mass-import of a violent heathen people; just don't.

The West invades these chit-holes, pissses off a violent and radical people, then invites them back to YOUR home as "refugees" Yeah... nothing to see here. Nothing at all.

[Zippyjuan]

Not a single media report claims any Somalis involved. Only right wing websites. Fake news.

[Ender]

I'm calling BS on this.

Probably set up by the alphabets to keep the hate going & the po-pos adored.

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/verify-what-we-know-about-the-valleyfair-evacuation/89-598134663

Fake news. Fear/ hate mongering.


VERIFY: What we know about the Valleyfair evacuation

SHAKOPEE, Minn. - An evacuation at Valleyfair on Saturday night led to confusion, concern and many questions among guests and KARE 11 viewers.

Common questions included whether weapons made their way into the park and played a role in the evacuation. There were also numerous questions about whether gangs were involved.

First, here's what Shakopee Police are saying about the decision and what led to it:

"Late (Saturday) night, officers from Shakopee Police assigned to Valleyfair responded to reports of multiple fights. The number of individuals running throughout the park increased substantially and was difficult to control. Due to the large number of altercations, it was decided to clear the park of all guests. Officers from Shakopee and surrounding communities ushered out all guests from the park.

"There have been no reported injuries or property from (Saturday's) incident. There have been some comments about a knife being used in a fight, but at this time we have no evidence of any weapons being used in these altercations.

"We can report that three individuals were cited for minor offenses."

Despite the statement, questions continued to pour into KARE 11, Shakopee Police and Valleyfair offices in the following days.

Many of the questions stemmed from a series of unsubstantiated claims detailed in a blog post (and later shared on Facebook). The blogger, citing anonymous witnesses, alleged that the violence was prompted by "Somali gangs" and later referred to the incident as a "Somali Riot."


The Shakopee Police Department responded directly to those claims on its Facebook page, stating, "No it wasn’t a Somalian riot". The department went on to say, "We had no evidence whatsoever that there was any specific gang affiliation with this incident."

KARE 11 reached out to several people who were at Valleyfair during the evacuation on Saturday. None of them reported seeing anything resembling gang activity or riots.

"We didn't even realize anything had happened until the lights in the park came on," said Michael Marshall, who was at the park with Kerry Dikken and captured cell phone video of the evacuation and one person being taken away by police. "I didn't see any gang-type activity at all."

A Valleyfair spokesperson told KARE 11 that they have no knowledge of a knife making it into the park, and reminded the public that they have security screening in place at the entrance to ensure everyone remains safe. They also issued the following statement:

"Safety is our top priority. We are continuously monitoring and re-evaluating our operations to make whatever adjustments are appropriate. In addition, we will continue the strong partnership with local law enforcement agencies to provide a safe and hospitable environment for our guests and associates. As referenced in Valleyfair’s park policies and guidelines, Valleyfair does not tolerate guests who fight and/or harass other guests while on our property. People who engage this behavior are subject to being ejected and potentially banned from the park, and may be subject to arrest by local police."

The Valleyfair spokesperson said they cannot comment on specifics of any security adjustments that are being made. Marshall and Dikken say they still feel safe going to the park and will continue to, though they are relieved to hear some upgrades might be made.

"That night, it just seemed like they were pushing everyone through to get everyone in as fast as they could," Dikken said.

"They should definitely take the responsibility to make sure they have enough security staff on hand," Marshall said. "Just for everybody's safety."

[Danke]

More:

https://ussanews.com/News1/2018/09/25/exclusive-video-somalis-riot-at-minnesota-amusement-park-forcing-evacuation/

[TheCount]

More:

https://ussanews.com/News1/2018/09/25/exclusive-video-somalis-riot-at-minnesota-amusement-park-forcing-evacuation/
Exclusive video!

(Of the parking lot.)

[Anti Federalist]

There isn't a square inch of AmeriKa that is not under surveillance.

Should be easy enough to get some video or stills...

[Zippyjuan]

LOL at Laura Loomer! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Loomer

https://www.boredpanda.com/fake-slashed-tire-tweet-laura-loomer/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/behind-the-scenes-with-the-right-wing-activist-who-crashed-julius-caesar-laura-loomer

[Danke]

Been happening at State Fairs and Malls around here.

BLOOMINGTON, MN On September 12, 2016 at least 10 people were arrested or cited by Bloomington Police after a melee broke out during the Islamic celebration of Eid Al Adha at the Mall of America KARE 11 reports.

According to KARE 11, the people who were arrested or cited all were between the ages of 12-15. Four were boys and six were girls. The police did not comment on what started the melee, but the reports state that those involved were cited on charges of disorderly conduct, obstructing the legal process and giving false information to the police. The video above shows hundreds of young people, many dressed in traditional Muslim attire, running through the mall.

[James_Madison_Lives]

Fake news. Thousands of cellphones and where's a single video. Bigots and racists, probably Zionists behind it (Somalis are Muslim).

[Zippyjuan]

Been happening at State Fairs and Malls around here.

BLOOMINGTON, MN On September 12, 2016 at least 10 people were arrested or cited by Bloomington Police after a melee broke out during the Islamic celebration of Eid Al Adha at the Mall of America KARE 11 reports.

According to KARE 11, the people who were arrested or cited all were between the ages of 12-15. Four were boys and six were girls. The police did not comment on what started the melee, but the reports state that those involved were cited on charges of disorderly conduct, obstructing the legal process and giving false information to the police. The video above shows hundreds of young people, many dressed in traditional Muslim attire, running through the mall.


Kids fight in a food court at a mall! Ten kids out of thousands! All ferriners are all criminals! (collectivism much?)

[Danke]

.Two Macy’s customers stabbed while trying to stop a theft at Mall of America, police say
Two stabbed in botched Mall of America robbery

Police say a man was stabbed at the Mall of America in Minnesota after confronting a man trying to steal his belongings from a dressing room. They say a second victim was stabbed after intervening. (Reuters)
By Amy B Wang
November 13, 2017
Two people were injured Sunday night after an “interrupted theft” led to a stabbing at the Mall of America, police said — an incident that caused a wave of commotion at the mall, which was already geared up for the holiday season.

The incident took place about 6:45 p.m. Sunday in the men’s department of the Macy’s at the megamall in Bloomington, Minn.

The suspect tried to take something from a customer who had briefly left his belongings inside a first-floor fitting room, Bloomington Police Chief Jeff Potts said at a news conference.

“You know how you go into the fitting room and you change your clothes, you go out maybe to show your family?” Potts told reporters. “It sounds like what happened is, when [the customer] went out to show his family the items that he was trying on, the suspect was back in the fitting room and attempted to take some property.”

Potts added that the suspect was attempting to steal items that belonged to the customer, not things that were property of the department store.


After the customer returned to the fitting room and discovered the attempted theft, the robber pulled out a knife and stabbed the customer, police said.

One of the customer’s family members heard the altercation and intervened, also getting stabbed in the process.

Both victims were taken to a hospital with stab wounds that were not life-threatening, police said.

[People keep mistaking this church for an ‘anti-gay’ one. Did an arsonist do that, too?]

People who were with the victims subdued the suspect and disarmed him, the authorities said.

Police arrested 20-year-old Mahad Abdiaziz Abdirahaman of Minneapolis in the stabbings. He was being held on two counts of first-degree assault and had “superficial” injuries.

Shortly after the stabbing was reported, several police cars converged on the Macy’s, according to photos taken by local reporters.

Kim Schwieters, who was near the mall-side entrance of Macy’s with her children at the time, told the Minneapolis Star-Tribune that officers began yelling at other shoppers to clear the area and locked down the first floor of the department store after they arrived.


“We saw two cops running toward Macy’s,” Schwieters told the newspaper. “By the time we got to the main area — the men’s department is to the right — more police started running in with their guns drawn. My daughter could see people lying on the ground who had been stabbed.”

One of her daughters, 16-year-old Maddie Schwieters, told KARE 11 that her family was going to visit a mall Santa Claus when the incident took place.

“Usually in the mall you think, ‘Oh, someone got into a fight’ or something,” Maddie Schwieters told the news station. “You never really think something will go down that’s this horrific. The whole situation, it kind of happened so fast that you don’t really know what’s going on until someone comes past you and is like, ‘This guy has a knife. Get away.’ ”

At 5.6 million square feet, the Mall of America is the largest shopping mall in the country. It recently celebrated its 25-year anniversary.

The Mall of America issued a statement Sunday confirming the incident.

“This evening during an interrupted theft inside Macy’s Mall of America, two people were stabbed and sustained non-life threatening injuries,” the statement said. “One person is in custody and Bloomington Police is conducting the ongoing investigation. Our thoughts are with the families involved.”


Bloomington Deputy Police Chief Mike Hartley told The Washington Post that as officers responded to reports of a mall stabbing, there were initial concerns it could have been similar to what took place last year in St. Cloud, Minn.

Last September, 20-year-old Dahir Adan went on a stabbing rampage at the Crossroads Center mall in St. Cloud, about 80 miles from the Mall of America. The St. Cloud attack left 10 people injured; an off-duty police officer shot and killed Adan inside a Macy’s store.

An Islamic State-affiliated news agency claimed Adan was “a soldier of the Islamic State.” Local and federal authorities investigated the St. Cloud attack as “a potential act of terrorism” but have not linked him with any extremist groups, according to Twincities.com.

[dannno]

LOL at Laura Loomer! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Loomer

https://www.boredpanda.com/fake-slashed-tire-tweet-laura-loomer/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/behind-the-scenes-with-the-right-wing-activist-who-crashed-julius-caesar-laura-loomer


What is funny about any of those links?

Even the tire one isn't funny. I don't know if you read, but that happened a week after she was doxed. Who knows what happened to the tire, but either way not funny at all.

[Zippyjuan]

Been happening at State Fairs and Malls around here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y5NtycjDp0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0DBCtMbWdo

[Brian4Liberty]

There isn't a square inch of AmeriKa that is not under surveillance.

Should be easy enough to get some video or stills...

Surveillance system failure. Nothing to see here. Move along.

[Danke]

#BlackBrunch Violence – Downtown Saint Paul Minnesota Besieged By Black Mob Violence – Media Hides Story…
Posted on January 31, 2015 by sundance
Saint Paul Minnesota is a hotbed of racially driven black mob violence, but the media work diligently to keep it hidden. Recently the frequency of the attacks has increased in severity and now even the local media are forced to discuss it.

However, the media avoid the racial motive inherent in all of the suspects being black and all of the victims are white. The community is shocked, SHOCKED. (make sure you click the links and watch the videos)

SAINT PAUL – A string of group [BLACK] attacks has taken place in downtown St. Paul in recent weeks. Last Monday, a 23-year-old [WHITE] man and his 56-year-old friend were brutally assaulted by six [BLACK] people in a skyway downtown near Cedar Street.

According to police, a restaurant near the new St. Paul Saints stadium was also rushed by a group of about nine [BLACK] people who started eating and drinking from the [WHITE] customers’ tables.

cont.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/01/31/blackbrunch-violence-downtown-saint-paul-minnesota-besieged-by-black-mob-violence-media-hides-story/

[Zippyjuan]

Whitey don't do no crime, eh? Only ferriners and minorities. They be all criminals.

[Danke]

BLACK-ON-WHITE LINK IN MINNEAPOLIS VIOLENCE
'Let's stop being so P.C.' about 20-on-1 attacks
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By Colin Flaherty

Minneapolis police want you to know race has nothing to do with an epidemic of violent crime in their downtown.

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Same for crime reporter Matt McKinney: The recent increase in what he calls “flash mob” violence and mayhem is “random” and “no other real pattern emerges” and the “motivation for the attack remains unclear.”

But more and more people in Minneapolis are connecting the violence with groups of blacks marauding through the downtown; beating, hurting, destroying and stealing. Sometimes right in front of police.

A lot of it on YouTube. With lots of witnesses – 15 to 20 times over the last year.

The attacks are part of a nationwide pattern of hundreds of episodes of unreported racial violence and lawlessness found in more than 50 cities over the last three years.

In Minneapolis, a headline from the Star Tribune tell part of the story, but conceals the rest: “Flash mob actions worry Minnesota police.” McKinney fills in some of the details about one of the incidents from March 2012:

“We were just biking, the three of us, having some laughs and enjoying the night,” said the cyclist, who didn’t want his name used out of fear for his safety. It was 7:45 p.m. and the street was crowded with people enjoying the unusually warm evening, he said.

Suddenly “some kid” ran up to the man’s friend and punched him in the face, breaking his jaw. Another eight to 10 youths surrounded the cyclists, yelling and trying to provoke a fight.

Two police officers had been watching seven youths at a bus stop when they saw them “suddenly surge” toward the cyclists.

As the officers gave chase, the group fled with one victim’s bike. They ran through the seating area at Oceanaire’s patio, picking objects off the tables to throw at one of the bicyclists running after them.

Eventually four people were arrested, all black.

The bikers got hurt, but they got off easy compared to the St. Patrick’s day mauling 20 black people inflicted on a Minneapolis graphic artist named Pieter. He suffered serious brain injuries and now has no short-term memory. A local bank has turned videos of the crime over to the police. He is afraid to use his last name.

An hour before he was beat and kicked into the Intensive Care Unit, 20 black people assaulted an out-of-town couple at the exact same intersection. The Star Tribune may be squeamish about reporting the race of the criminals, but City Pages is not:


Melissa screamed as three separate youths came at Kirk, throwing punches. Kirk says he was able to dodge the blows. He remembers one of the assailants smiling while he threw punches, “like it was fun.” As people on the street started to take notice of the attack, the mob dispersed, leaving Kirk one-on-one with a man he says was over 6 feet tall.

“I dodged several of his punches before he ran off,” Kirk said, adding that he himself didn’t punch anyone. “I believe that if it wasn’t for my wife’s screaming I would have been seriously injured.” Thankfully, he ended up with nothing more than a swollen neck. Melissa, a 33-year-old school teacher, was pushed, and one of the assailants burned her hand with a cigarette, she says.

After the mob dispersed, Kirk and Melissa made their way back to the Marquette. There, they talked to a police officer about the incident.

Wrote Melissa in an email: The “cop wasn’t that interested in taking a report, since we didn’t have descriptions – just African-American…[I] wonder how many people have been attacked, since our story isn’t even part of the stats.”

Over the past year, the Minneapolis area has been the scene of more than a dozen other examples of large scale racial attacks that are known.

“In September of 2011, a crowd of 1,000 black people rioted through downtown fighting, stealing, destroying property. Much of it on YouTube. (Warning: Graphic language)

A few days later, a gang of 20 black women beat white woman after she confronted them about harassing her child.

A few weeks later, a group of black people attacked a mobile alcoholic beverage cart in Minneapolis – stealing, threatening. The newspapers dutifully reported the crime, and dutifully ignored the race of the attackers.

Except for the University of Minnesota newspaper, which in its early editions identified the attackers by race, but removed it in later editions.

Which is how it should be, said Minneapolis police spokesman William Palmer: “The MPD does not track arrestees by race,” said Palmer. “And frankly, no, it doesn’t matter. We arrest and prepare criminal cases for consideration of prosecution for those people who choose to break the law. Race has nothing to do with it.”

But the city does keep track of the race of officers in its affirmative action reporting and recruiting. According to the city website, “The City of Minneapolis is aware of its commitment as an equal opportunity employer and the efforts necessary to meet the responsibilities outlined in the Affirmative Action Plan. The City’s Department of Human Resources serves as a liaison through its ‘Connecting with the Communities We Serve’ program and maintains contact with the following community-sponsored action groups” including the Black Story Tellers Alliance, African Community Services, Minneapolis Urban League, Minnesota Multicultural Development Center, and other race-based groups.

The city also has a policy to “intensively recruit protected class persons,” including black people. And if they are having trouble qualifying for a job, the city will provide tutoring and change certification procedures to help select more “protected class persons.”

Blogger Neal Krasnoff says the violence is more widespread than the police or media are talking about:

“One of my friends was robbed at Nicollet and 7th. They harassed her, then one mutt knocked her down, pounded her head against the sidewalk, then took off with her cell phone. The perps are – yes, you and I guessed correctly – Male/Black/18-35. She’s the fifth person in her circle of friends to be attacked.”



The Star Tribune is loathe to discuss race. But many of the black people involved in the mayhem are not: They use YouTube to brag about their illegal exploits, as appears in the following video. Many other videos cannot be embedded because of the violence and language included.



Videos of groups of violent black people in Minneapolis are so numerous that some are even set to music.

McKinney and the police are not willing to talk about violence and how race is a part of it. But the readers of the paper, bloggers, and talk radio are.

“Let’s stop being so P.C. about all this,” said one reader of the Star Tribune. “It’s a racial thing, isn’t it? Isn’t it black youth who are the ones committing the vast majority of these downtown crimes, and aren’t they the ones harassing people downtown? Will this comment be censored? Isn’t what I’m saying factual, though, censored or not?”

Commenters on the Star-Tribune’s flash mob stories may be split over the significance of the paper refusing to report the race of the rioters. Some call for more jobs for minorities. Others say that noticing the rioters are black is racist.

Others point out race-conscious coverage of black ministers, black teachers, and other black institutions. They wonder why it is acceptable to do hundreds of stories about everything in the black community except for large groups of black criminals creating danger and havoc in downtown Minneapolis.

An email to the Star Tribune was not returned.


Read more at https://www.wnd.com/2012/06/black-on-white-link-found-in-minneapolis-violence/#wTc5HUtO3qwilbxa.99

[James_Madison_Lives]

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/verify-what-we-know-about-the-valleyfair-evacuation/89-598134663


Despite the statement, questions continued to pour into KARE 11, Shakopee Police and Valleyfair offices in the following days.

Many of the questions stemmed from a series of unsubstantiated claims detailed in a blog post (and later shared on Facebook). The blogger, citing anonymous witnesses, alleged that the violence was prompted by "Somali gangs" and later referred to the incident as a "Somali Riot."

The Shakopee Police Department responded directly to those claims on its Facebook page, stating, "No it wasn’t a Somalian riot". The department went on to say, "We had no evidence whatsoever that there was any specific gang affiliation with this incident."

KARE 11 reached out to several people who were at Valleyfair during the evacuation on Saturday. None of them reported seeing anything resembling gang activity or riots.

"We didn't even realize anything had happened until the lights in the park came on," said Michael Marshall, who was at the park with Kerry Dikken and captured cell phone video of the evacuation and one person being taken away by police. "I didn't see any gang-type activity at all."

[oyarde]

All of them should be immediately deported.

Noone fucks with Law Enforcement Appreciation Day.

I'm calling my congressman first thing in the morning.
I have warned Danke repeatedly that the intentions of these cab drivers was suspect.

[tod evans]

Gosh, if white folks gang up on a black or two it's all over Teh-Newz...

[osan]

Minnesota... YICK.

I bet that had a few of those scum had been properly treated, they'd learn their places.

[osan]

You can't take the Somali out of them. Sad actually.

No, but you can shoot 'em real good.

[Danke]

Kids fight in a food court at a mall! Ten kids out of thousands! All ferriners are all criminals! (collectivism much?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGXAn5U6Lb0

[oyarde]

I wonder if Danke is under siege yet ?

[Danke]

I wonder if Danke is under siege yet ?


I could use my own Tonto, have any recommendations?

[oyarde]

I could use my own Tonto, have any recommendations?

If it gets that bad I can throw together some more arrows and get you out , my schedule is free in Nov .

[juleswin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGXAn5U6Lb0

That was no food fight. Never been in a food fight and I would like to be in one :(

[dannno]

That was no food fight. Never been in a food fight and I would like to be in one :(

I don't think I would, I think everybody would just end up being really hungry all afternoon.

[juleswin]

I don't think I would, I think everybody would just end up being really hungry all afternoon.

I watched western TV channels growing up and the food fights is one of those things I really wanted to do. Not Disney world, not prom, it was a good ole food fight. And I assumed every American participated in several fights during their high school years

[Anti Federalist]

I could use my own Tonto, have any recommendations?

I'll come and give you a hand...

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC0V-qU3Wbk

[oyarde]

I watched western TV channels growing up and the food fights is one of those things I really wanted to do. Not Disney world, not prom, it was a good ole food fight. And I assumed every American participated in several fights during their high school years

I saw westerns too but they did not have sound . My prom date was sweet though .

[Anti Federalist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGXAn5U6Lb0

Them damn Amish again...

[juleswin]

Them damn Amish English again...

We know the English have no reputation at all with rioting

[oyarde]

Them damn Amish again...
They had one of the Electric Amish band members on this morning on the Indianapolis rock radio station .

[Danke]

I watched western TV channels growing up and the food fights is one of those things I really wanted to do. Not Disney world, not prom, it was a good ole food fight. And I assumed every American participated in several fights during their high school years


There was a big one at the school I was switched to. (because of consolidations going on back then, you know, mix nice kids with not so nice kids (both rougher whites and mostly blacks , etc. they use to bus them to our nice schools before that, now I was being bused to bad schools) I was there only a year before going to and finishing up at a private school as I got serious about my future college aspirations and it was not happening in that environment. I found out I could not just join the Air Force right out of high school and become a fighter pilot, I needed a 4 year degree first to become an Officer.

What a waste of 4 years on a 20 year old. But they wanted a more mature person I guess that could get a four year degree before they sent one to pilot training in the military.

My parents supported public "education". Mom actually did a lot of voluntary work there. The government decided our school provide by folks like my parents was too good, so they bused in "minorities"

They became shitholes.

Black communities back then resented being shipped off too to schools outside their communities. This was during the 60's. They actually held classes in their neighborhoods to teach their kids how to disrupt the classroom of the schools they were being bused to. Very similar to what we are witnessing today, blame Whitey, attack.

Of course many black parents wanted their kids to do well and welcomed the exposure and hoped for opportunities that might ensue from it.

[Anti Federalist]

My parents supported public "education". Mom actually did a lot of voluntary work there. The government decided our school provide by folks like my parents was too good, so they bused in "minorities"

They became shitholes.

Black communities back then resented being shipped off too to schools outside their communities. This was during the 60's. They actually held classes in their neighborhoods to teach their kids how to disrupt the classroom of the schools they were being bused to. Very similar to what we are witnessing today, blame Whitey, attack.

I grew up in a town too small to have a high school.

There were two towns to the north and south, the town to the south had a very good, middle class, mostly white HS.

The town to the north had a very poor, 95% black school.

Parents could choose which school they wanted their kids to go to...up until the year before I went.

When the clowns in gowns at the state supreme court ruled it was "de facto" segregation, due to the fact that the vast majority of kids were going to to the better school to the south.

The state mandated that henceforth, starting with my freshman year, kids were to be sent equally to both, based on a blind lottery system.

Guess where I went?

I was dropped out within two years.

[r3volution 3.0]

So, none of the anti-immigrant folks promoting this story are going to acknowledge that it was a fabrication by an anti-immigrant blogger?

[specsaregood]

My parents supported public "education". Mom actually did a lot of voluntary work there. The government decided our school provide by folks like my parents was too good, so they bused in "minorities"

They became shitholes.


I was the opposite, I got taxi'd into the black school. IT was druing MO's failed magnet school experiment where they wanted to bring white kids into the city schools. So they threw sickening amounts of money at all the inner city schools. Each one had its own focus and state of the art facilities, hell they even built a Olympic-magnet school. I went to the science and math magnet for 1 year -- the school had a freaking planetarium in it. My 2nd week there I watched a guy get beat retarded by a gang of 20, while the "security" forces simply watched from the front steps. A couple weeks later I went to the bathroom and found the place covered in blood from a stabbing -- I didn't use the restroom the rest of the year. I kept my head down. The school had sick amounts of money and facilities and all the students were hoodlums that had no desire to take advantage of them. I didn't continue that experiment after that year.

[juleswin]

So, none of the anti-immigrant folks promoting this story are going to acknowledge that it was a fabrication by an anti-immigrant blogger?

Which part was fabricated?

[juleswin]

There was a big one at the school I was switched to. (because of consolidations going on back then, you know, mix nice kids with not so nice kids (both rougher whites and mostly blacks , etc. they use to bus them to our nice schools before that, now I was being bused to bad schools) I was there only a year before going to and finishing up at a private school as I got serious about my future college aspirations and it was not happening in that environment. I found out I could not just join the Air Force right out of high school and become a fighter pilot, I needed a 4 year degree first to become an Officer.

What a waste of 4 years on a 20 year old. But they wanted a more mature person I guess that could get a four year degree before they sent one to pilot training in the military.

My parents supported public "education". Mom actually did a lot of voluntary work there. The government decided our school provide by folks like my parents was too good, so they bused in "minorities"

They became $#@!holes.

Black communities back then resented being shipped off too to schools outside their communities. This was during the 60's. They actually held classes in their neighborhoods to teach their kids how to disrupt the classroom of the schools they were being bused to. Very similar to what we are witnessing today, blame Whitey, attack.

Of course many black parents wanted their kids to do well and welcomed the exposure and hoped for opportunities that might ensue from it.

I am not sure what to make of this story or why you are telling me this. What does busing in your childhood got to do with food fights?

[specsaregood]

I am not sure what to make of this story or why you are telling me this. What does busing in your childhood got to do with food fights?

I went to 3 high schools, never saw a single food fight at 2 of them; whereas they were a weekly occurrence at the inner city school I attended. just saying...

[r3volution 3.0]

Which part was fabricated?

The part about Somalis being involved.

There's no source outside the unsupported assertions of the anti-immigrant blogger, right?

[Anti Federalist]

Can't speak for Minnesota, but the Somalian diversity beat a white kid to death in Lewiston Maine back in June.

The pro migrant Quislings will be sure to pipe up and say "well, that's just one person"...yeah, granted, nothing at all when compared to a busy Saturday night on the south side of Chicago, but why should there be even one? It's hard enough to defend our rights when the safety idiots howl "if it will save just one life" about everything else.

But why should this even be? What benefit comes from importing Somalians (with an average IQ of 68 (https://iq-research.info/en/average-iq-by-country)) to rural Maine?

Other than the deliberate displacement of native whites by a semi retarded dependent class of Saharan Africans.

Of course, the original story completely glosses over ethnicities of the people that did this.


Kennedy Park melee lands man in critical condition

http://www.sunjournal.com/kennedy-park-melee-lands-man-in-critical-condition/

By Staff report - June 13, 20180

[UPDATE: ‘They just started ganging up on us:’ Lewiston residents describe brawl near Kennedy Park]

LEWISTON — State and local police are investigating a melee late Tuesday night in the area of Kennedy Park involving at least two dozen teenagers, pre-teens and three adult males, authorities said.

One of the men remains in critical condition following surgery, police said.

On Wednesday, police were expecting to conduct interviews with those involved in the incident.

The case was turned over to Maine State Police because of the man’s medical condition. State Police investigate homicides in Lewiston.

They are seeking help from the public. Anyone who may have witnessed the incident is urged to call the Detective Division at 513-3138.

More details: https://mainefirstmedia.com/2018/05/gang-of-somali-kids-attack-park-goers-in-lewiston/

[juleswin]

I went to 3 high schools, never saw a single food fight at 2 of them; whereas they were a weekly occurrence at the inner city school I attended. just saying...

I see. Thanks for the explanation. But is food fight any fun at all? cos in my head I still feel like I want to be in one :)

[osan]

That was no food fight. Never been in a food fight and I would like to be in one :(

Then I must suggest you have not yet lived.

I started a couple in high school. Once at full tilt, I would slither out one of the doors to escape culpability, leaving the suckers behind to suffer the consequences.

It's good to be the king.

[r3volution 3.0]

Which part was fabricated?

The part about Somalis being involved.

There's no source outside the unsupported assertions of the anti-immigrant blogger, right?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/40/54/90/4054908e4c9b0a60c821150af79fe0d7.jpg

[juleswin]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/40/54/90/4054908e4c9b0a60c821150af79fe0d7.jpg

Yea, I read that. Thanks for the reply

[Valli6]

Why has this turned into a thread about food fights? By the way, when I was growing up, everyone was told that playing with food was a sin. I think food fights (if they ever really existed outside of the 3 stooges) were only for rich kids.

Anyway - did a mob of people rush the entrance and get in for free, or not? Can anyone establish that much?

[Zippyjuan]

So, none of the anti-immigrant folks promoting this story are going to acknowledge that it was a fabrication by an anti-immigrant blogger?

Nah- that would be against the idea that foreigners are all rapists and criminals. Bumping it still gets the headline up there even if people don't read that it was fake.

[Zippyjuan]

The part about Somalis being involved.

There's no source outside the unsupported assertions of the anti-immigrant blogger, right?

No Somalis. No gangs. No weapons.

[Danke]

http://www.fox9.com/news/257322985-video

[Danke]

Mike Leke (https://www.facebook.com/mike.leke.9)We all know who is responsible for mob "teen" violence 99% of the time, but this time it was large groups of Amish teens.

[osan]

... And so class, Somalians belong where?

Anyone?

Anyone?

In Somalia.

[timosman]

... And so class, Somalians belong where?

Anyone?

Anyone?

In Somalia.

Not according to commies. :cool:

[Madison320]

On the one hand this is obviously fake news and I don't see how it helps the cause of liberty to report on it. On the other hand Zippy and TheCount and some others want the government to force at gunpoint the "proper outcomes" on US citizens thru discrimination laws and wealth redistribution. Both sides are wrong.

[Anti Federalist]

Nah- that would be against the idea that foreigners are all rapists and criminals. Bumping it still gets the headline up there even if people don't read that it was fake.

Yeah, looks like the OP is fake news.

Care to address the real incident in Maine, where a Somali mob killed a man, noted in post #54?

[Anti Federalist]

... And so class, Somalians belong where?

Anyone?

Anyone?

In Somalia.

AmeriKa responds:

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/awoken.gif

[Zippyjuan]

Yeah, looks like the OP is fake news.

Care address the real incident in Maine, where a Somali mob killed a man, noted in post #54?

You mean your link which doesn't even say "Somali", "Somalian" or "immigrants" in it, only "teens"?


LEWISTON — State and local police are investigating a melee late Tuesday night in the area of Kennedy Park involving at least two dozen teenagers, pre-teens and three adult males, authorities said.

One of the men remains in critical condition following surgery, police said.

On Wednesday, police were expecting to conduct interviews with those involved in the incident.

The case was turned over to Maine State Police because of the man’s medical condition. State Police investigate homicides in Lewiston.

They are seeking help from the public. Anyone who may have witnessed the incident is urged to call the Detective Division at 513-3138.


http://www.sunjournal.com/man-badly-beaten-in-lewiston-park/


Daniel Dennison Sr., a 39-year-old with bruises around his right eye and the side of his nose, said he was among those who got jumped.

“They just started ganging up on us,” he said. “I got sucker punched and knocked to the ground. I tried to get back up and fight, but there were suddenly, like, 12 of them around me.”

David, the 18-year-old, said he had gone to the park after hearing that a group had plans to start a fight in Kennedy Park. What he didn’t expect, David said, was that there would be so many of them, or that they would be using such a wide range of weapons.

“I came down without any weapons at all,” he said. “I fight with my fists.”

so both sides (including white people) went to the park looking for a fight.


He said his group had gathered Tuesday night in anticipation of a confrontation.

“There was a plan by a lot of my friends that we were gonna get payback last night” and settle the feud, he said.

Vinciguerra said the three men appeared to have been lured into a trap Tuesday night.

“It wasn’t fun to watch,” he said. “I’ll be honest.”

He predicted the worst is yet to come.

“I’m trying to stop it before it happens,” he said.

By the time police arrived at the scene on Knox Street on Tuesday night, most of the brawlers had scattered, Vinciguerra said.




Vinciguerra said he and his friends were hit by the BBs and pellets. Three men from the group ran after the car as it turned right onto Spruce Street, then left onto Knox Street.

Jennifer Hixon, 27, said she was standing around in the park with a group of regular friends when a shot from a pellet gun struck her in the side.

“Right here,” she said. “It got me right in the ribs.”

When the car stopped halfway down the block on Knox Street, Vinciguerra and his friend confronted the youths in the car and asked them why they had shot at them. Suddenly, the three men were surrounded by roughly 30 people swinging sticks, baseball bats and other weapons, Vinciguerra said.

[osan]

AmeriKa responds:

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/awoken.gif

EEeeewwww...

You ijit. Especially for posting the gross, stomach-turning truth.

[Danke]

ATTACK BY SOMALI IMMIGRANT PUTS 10 IN HOSPITALThis morning, Abdul Razak Ali Artan (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/suspect-dead-after-ohio-state-university-car-knife-attack-n689076) drove his car into a group of students at Ohio State University and then jumped out of the vehicle to slash others with a butcher’s knife. Ten people were hospitalized as a result. A campus police officer finally put an end to the attack by shooting Artan dead.
Artan was a student at OSU and a resident of Franklin Township, Ohio. According to neighbors (http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/11/28/active-shooter.html), his family had immigrated to the Columbus area from Somalia.
Discussing the attack, Columbus mayor Andrew Ginther made no reference to Artan’s ethnicity or background. Rather, indulging in civic boosterism left-wing style, he boasted (http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/11/28/active-shooter.html) that Columbus is “warm and welcoming” to immigrants and refugees. “We welcome people from all over the world,” he said.
But should they? In September, a Somali-American stabbed nine people (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/440159/jihad-th-heartland-atrocity-st-cloud-and-continuing-somali-immigration-madness) at a St. Cloud, Minnesota mall. And Scott Johnson (https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/06/a-tale-of-five-muhammads.php) has tirelessly reported on the exploits of Somali jihadists in the Twin Cities.

[Danke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyamvdAXu-U

[Danke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP4IbM3rsSY

[Danke]

A brawl between a large group of young Somali men armed with bricks, bats, and other weapons left one local man hospitalized in Lewiston, Maine, this week.Lewiston police arrived (https://mainefirstmedia.com/2018/06/lewiston-living-in-fear-one-man-critically-injured-in-clash-with-young-somali-mob/) at the scene of the conflict near the city’s Kennedy Park late on June 12, Maine First Media reported.
Officials say that up to two dozen Somali youths allegedly assaulted three adult local men after rumors of a fight began circulating. The Somali teens who reportedly attacked the men were carrying bats, sticks, bricks, and other implements and weapons, police said.



One white resident ended up in the hospital with a critical injury to his head, reportedly from a brick thrown at him.
By some witness accounts, the Somali youths first drove past the park and fired BB or pellet guns at men standing there. The car then pulled over, and the two groups confronted each other. Soon, a larger group of Somali teens arrived and waded into the three men, the witness added.
Video taken on the scene shows police activity after the June 12 incident:
https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/06/15/brawl-somali-immigrants-locals-man-hospitalized-maine/

[Zippyjuan]

More black people video dumps. Good thing whites don't commit any crimes.

[Danke]

A Somali immigrant living in Columbus, Ohio, pleaded guilty to training with a terrorist organization in Syria and plotting an attack on American soil.Abdirahman Sheik Mohamud, 25, is a naturalized U.S. citizen from Somalia who was able to get a U.S. passport and travel to Greece in 2014. While Mohamud was supposed to have a layover in Istanbul on his trip to Greece, he crossed the border into Syria.
While in Syria, Mohamud was trained by the al-Qaeda-affiliated terrorist organization, al-Nusrah Front. Mohamud learned fitness skills and how to use a variety of weapons and tactics for a terrorist attack. Mohamud, prosecutors said, also said he wanted to die fighting in Syria.


Though training with a terrorist organization, Mohamud was able to return to the U.S. after his brother died fighting in Syria with al-Nusrah.
Once home, Mohamud plotted to get weapons that could murder American military officers and other government employees in uniform. Mohamud was even scoping out locations for the attack, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s (FBI) investigation into the plot.
“Mohamud admitted to traveling overseas, providing material support to a designated foreign terrorist organization, and receiving training from terrorists. He also admitted to returning to the United States and planning to conduct an attack on American soil. He will now be held accountable for his crimes,” Acting Assistant Attorney General Boente said in a statement (https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/ohio-man-pleads-guilty-providing-material-support-terrorists). “The National Security Division’s highest priority is counterterrorism. We will remain vigilant in our efforts to identify, disrupt, and bring to justice those who provide material support to foreign terrorist organizations and seek to conduct attacks on our homeland.”


Back in 2015, the Somali national was charged and pleaded guilty to the terrorist-related charges, which included providing material support to terrorists and providing material support to a foreign terrorist organization.
At the time, due to the ongoing FBI investigation into Mohamud, his guilty plea was sealed in court records and the exact findings of the investigation have only most recently been revealed.

https://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/07/03/somali-immigrant-trained-terrorist-group-plotted-domestic-attack/

[Swordsmyth]

More black people video dumps. Good thing whites don't commit any crimes.
Native whites don't commit nearly as many per capita as 3rd world barbarians of any color.

[Zippyjuan]

Native whites don't commit nearly as many per capita as 3rd world barbarians of any color.

Fake news.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/opinion/ct-ptb-cepeda-immigration-column-st-0506-story.html


Face facts: Immigrants commit fewer crimes than U.S.-born peers

There's an old saw in journalism that when a dog bites a man, it's just another thing that happened. But when a man bites a dog, well, that's news.

"Criminal illegal immigrants" are a modern-day version of that adage.

A large segment of America refuses to accept that legal immigrants, naturalized citizens and other lawfully present people from other countries — 76 percent of all immigrants in the U.S., according to the Pew Research Center — simply work or go to school and lead totally ordinary lives. These immigrants contribute to the economy, fund the Social Security program, etc., etc., etc., and otherwise just mind their own business.

The fact of the matter is that a significant portion of our society just wants to believe the worst about immigrants.

It's but a mere detail that only about a quarter of all the immigrants in the U.S. are living here without the proper authorization (and represent only 3.4 percent of the total U.S. population). After all, even one would be too many in some minds.

It's been well documented in studies going back nearly a century that the foreign-born are involved in crime at significantly lower rates than their U.S.-born peers.

New research recently published in the United Kingdom-based journal Migration Letters delved into arrest and re-arrest data of first-time juvenile male offenders between the ages of 13 and 17 (peak years for young people to get into trouble) in Pennsylvania, Louisiana and southern California.

The researchers looked at the boys in the categories of legal immigrants, unauthorized immigrants and U.S. born offenders. Just as in past studies, this one found that immigrants as a whole commit less crime than native-born Americans.

When broken out by legal status, the pattern still stands: Compared to their documented immigrant and U.S.-born peers, undocumented immigrants continue to report low levels of offending in the three years following first arrest.

"Undocumented immigrants reported lower offending both before they entered the study and then in the following three years after their first arrest," said Alex Piquero, one of the authors of the paper and a criminologist at the University of Texas at Dallas.

I'll stop here to interject the voices of the many people who shout at my column and then all-caps at me in angry emails and messages: "But what about the 'violent illegals'?" they'll ask. "What about the MS-13 gang? The 'illegal' who killed Kate Steinle in San Francisco? Or the drunk driving 'illegal' who killed the Indianapolis Colts' Edwin Jackson?"

These are absolutely tragic instances, surely somehow preventable and all-around terrible losses for the victims' families and communities, full stop.

However, these are also examples of man-bites-dog stories that give the impression that unauthorized immigrants present an outsize threat to the communities they inhabit.

Let me repeat: They do not.

We are all at risk from drunken drivers, people who accidentally misfire guns, those who are actively looking to harm others and thousands of other threats. But we are not at a higher risk of being hurt by immigrants simply because they are immigrants — whether they're residing in the U.S. illegally or not.



More at link.

[Anti Federalist]

Fake news.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/opinion/ct-ptb-cepeda-immigration-column-st-0506-story.html

More at link.

Wonder what those figures would like if you only compared only white violent crime rates?

That is what he posted after all...


Native whites don't commit nearly as many per capita as 3rd world barbarians of any color.

[Swordsmyth]

Fake news.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/opinion/ct-ptb-cepeda-immigration-column-st-0506-story.html



More at link.

Thank you for admitting you were going to post fake news.

Legal immigrants of any color vs. Americans of any color wasn't what I was talking about.

[Zippyjuan]

Just collectivist fear-mongering.

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/02/607652253/studies-say-illegal-immigration-does-not-increase-violent-crime


Illegal Immigration Does Not Increase Violent Crime, 4 Studies Show

The Trump administration regularly asserts that undocumented immigrants are predatory and threaten public safety. Immigrant advocates say that talk demonizes an entire class of people.

Now, four academic studies show that illegal immigration does not increase the prevalence of violent crime or drug and alcohol problems. In the slew of research, motivated by Trump's rhetoric, social scientists set out to answer this question: Are undocumented immigrants more likely to break the law?

Michael Light, a criminologist at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, looked at whether the soaring increase in illegal immigration over the last three decades caused a commensurate jump in violent crimes: murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault.

"Increased undocumented immigration since 1990 has not increased violent crime over that same time period," Light said in a phone interview.

Those findings are published in the current edition of the peer-reviewed journal Criminology.

In a separate study, these same researchers previously looked at nonviolent crime. They found that the dramatic influx of undocumented immigrants, similarly, did not drive up rates of drug and alcohol arrests or the number of drug overdoses and DUI deaths.

"We found no evidence that undocumented immigration increases the prevalence of any of those outcomes," Light said.

A third study, by the libertarian Cato Institute, recently looked at criminality among undocumented immigrants just in Texas. The state records the immigration status of arrestees, creating a gold mine for criminologists.

Cato found that in 2015, criminal conviction and arrest rates in Texas for undocumented immigrants were lower than those of native-born Americans for murder, sexual assault and larceny.

Finally, a research paper appearing in the current edition of the U.K. journal Migration Letters shows that youthful undocumented immigrants engage in less crime than do legal immigrants or U.S.-born peers.

All of this comes as no surprise to Art Acevedo, the police chief in Houston, which has one of largest undocumented populations in the nation. The chief has been publicly critical of the immigration crackdown.

"There's no wave of crime being committed by the immigrant community," Acevedo said. "As a matter of fact, a lot of the violent crime that we're dealing with is being committed by people that are born and raised right here in the United States."

For decades, social science focused on the extent of crime committed by legal immigrants. These new studies are important because they're among the first to explore the link between crime and illegal immigration.

The research proves what Acevedo and others suspected.

"Having worked around this community my entire professional career, which is about 32 years, I know that the vast majority of them that I've encountered are hard-working. They're here to earn an honest living," Acevedo said.

[Swordsmyth]

Just collectivist fear-mongering.

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/02/607652253/studies-say-illegal-immigration-does-not-increase-violent-crime

More lies, honest studies show that it does.

[Zippyjuan]

More lies, honest studies show that it does.

Thank you for saying you post lies.

[Anti Federalist]

Thank you for saying you post lies.

I don't care, frankly.

I am not interested in getting displaced, whether they are quiet as church mice or third world barbarians.

[Anti Federalist]

You mean your link which doesn't even say "Somali", "Somalian" or "immigrants" in it, only "teens"?

so both sides (including white people) went to the park looking for a fight.

Yes, this has been an ongoing issue.

Can you tell me what benefit is gained by importing thousands of Somalis to Maine?

[Swordsmyth]

I don't care, frankly.

I am not interested in getting displaced, whether they are quiet as church mice or third world barbarians.

Yup, their politics are a much bigger problem than the crime.

[Zippyjuan]

Yes, this has been an ongoing issue.

Can you tell me what benefit is gained by importing thousands of Somalis to Maine?

I hear it is pretty rough up there.

http://bangordailynews.com/2015/12/13/news/bangor/bangor-among-safest-cities-in-the-nation-fbi-data-shows/


FBI data: Rates of violent crimes in Maine remain among nation’s lowest

BANGOR, Maine — Although drug addiction and related crimes are a growing problem across Maine, the state and its metropolitan areas still maintain some of the lowest violent crime rates in the nation, according to data collected by the FBI.

Bangor’s metropolitan area, which includes all of Penobscot County, recorded only 76.9 violent crimes — murder, rape, robbery, aggravated assault — per 100,000 people for 2014, the latest crime data available from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting Program. Portland and South Portland came in at 127.6 violent crimes per 100,000 and Lewiston-Auburn, which includes Androscoggin County, had a rate of 142.

“Bangor is a safe community,” Bangor police Chief Mark Hathaway said Sunday in an email. “We are very fortunate to have a supportive and engaged community and a skilled and dedicated group of police officers who work tirelessly at reducing crime and improving the quality of our remarkable city.”

The numbers for Maine are very low considering that only seven of the nearly 400 metropolitan areas listed by the FBI had violent crime rates below 100 per 100,000 people. Philadelphia had the highest violent crime rate of 861.4 for every 100,000 residents.

Bangor, Portland and 132 other municipal, county and state law enforcement agencies in Maine — along with others around the country — provide data each year for the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting Program.

The statewide data, which include murder, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny, motor vehicle thefts and arson, are compiled by the Maine Department of Public Safety’s uniform crime reporting division.

Maine, with a combined violent and property crime rate of 127.8 per 100,000 people, is second from the top, according to the FBI data, with Vermont, at 99.3 crimes per 100,000 in population, taking top honors. The national average is 375.5 crimes per 100,000 residents.

The District of Columbia, with 1,244 crimes per 100,000 people, had the most crime, while Tennessee, with a rate of 608.4, had the most crime for any state.

“The state of Maine is traditionally in the top three,” Portland police Chief Michael Sauschuck said Friday. “It’s a combination of things — the rural nature of the state, the makeup of the citizens who are good hard-working, blue collar folks, [and] we don’t have the same kind so criminal influences other states have.”

[Swordsmyth]

I hear it is pretty rough up there.

http://bangordailynews.com/2015/12/13/news/bangor/bangor-among-safest-cities-in-the-nation-fbi-data-shows/

They haven't imported that many yet.

[Anti Federalist]

I hear it is pretty rough up there.

http://bangordailynews.com/2015/12/13/news/bangor/bangor-among-safest-cities-in-the-nation-fbi-data-shows/

“The state of Maine is traditionally in the top three,”

And why do you suppose Vermont, New Hampshire, North Dakota and Wyoming usually round out that top five?

That does not answer the question: what is the benefit of importing thousands of people from a country with an average IQ of 68 to rural Maine?

[Zippyjuan]

And why do you suppose Vermont, New Hampshire, North Dakota and Wyoming usually round out that top five?

That does not answer the question: what is the benefit of importing thousands of people from a country with an average IQ of 68 to rural Maine?

Maybe they will become like that crazy border town flooded with immigrants both legal and illegal in California.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/sd-me-fbi-crime-20180925-story.html


San Diego boasted lowest violent crime rate of biggest cities last year


The city of San Diego consistently ranks among the safest big cities in the U.S., but last year — when it came to violent crime — it was the safest.

According to FBI data released this week, police investigated 5,221 violent crimes in 2017, giving San Diego a rate of 3.7 crimes per 1,000 people, fewer than New York, Los Angeles, Phoenix and Chicago. The FBI tracks four kinds of violent crimes: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, rape, robbery and aggravated assault.

While San Diego regularly logs the lowest murder rate of the country’s 10 largest cities — it did last year with a murder rate of 2.5 killings per 100,000 residents — 2017 was the first time in at least five years that San Diego recorded the lowest overall violent crime rate.

The city also saw the second lowest property crime rate of the biggest cities, at 18.4 crimes per 1,000 residents. New York had the lowest, with a rate of 14.5.

Both violent crime and property crime rates were slightly down from the year before, mirroring a downtick seen across the country, according to the data. Nationally, violent crime decreased 0.2 percent when compared to 2016 and property crime fell 3 percent.

[Anti Federalist]

Maybe they will become like that crazy border town flooded with immigrants both legal and illegal in California.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/sd-me-fbi-crime-20180925-story.html

You're dodging and setting up straw men...that's not like you.

You can do better.

[Danke]

"Face facts: Immigrants commit fewer crimes than U.S.-born peers" -Zippy

So they do commit crimes then.

Less of them, less crime.

What about illegal aliens?

[Zippyjuan]

"Face facts: Immigrants commit fewer crimes than U.S.-born peers" -Zippy

So they do commit crimes then.

Less of them, less crime.

Citizens commit more so lets get rid of them. More bang for the buck. No people, no crime.

[Danke]

Citizens commit more so lets get rid of them. More bang for the buck.


Citizens are, you know CITIZENS. Let's just restrict new comers.

Blacks (disproportionately) commit a lot of crimes too, should we get rid of them too?

[Zippyjuan]

Citizens are, you know CITIZENS. Let's just restrict new comers.

Blacks commit a lot of crimes too, should we get rid of them too?

We can't discriminate. Everybody. White, black, brown, green.

[Swordsmyth]

Citizens commit more so lets get rid of them. More bang for the buck. No people, no crime.

Citizens have a right to be here, immigrants don't.

[Anti Federalist]

Citizens commit more so lets get rid of them. More bang for the buck. No people, no crime.

Give them a generation.

http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2013/10/FT_13.10.07_Prevalence-of-Crime.png

[Swordsmyth]

We can't discriminate. Everybody. White, black, brown, green.

No more immigrants of any color would be better than no limits.

[Danke]

We can't discriminate. Everybody. White, black, brown, green.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6WHBO_Qc-Q

[Zippyjuan]

Give them a generation.

http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2013/10/FT_13.10.07_Prevalence-of-Crime.png

Wow. You posted a chart showing native born citizens commit more crime than immigrants! If the goal is lower crime rates, that means we need to import more, not fewer, immgrants! Also shows that over time they become more like the rest of us. Americans.

[Swordsmyth]

Wow. You posted a chart showing native born citizens commit more crime than immigrants! If the goal is lower crime rates, that means we need to import more, not fewer, immgrants!
1st generation legal immigrants do tend to commit less than the average of natives that includes certain groups that commit far more than most.

[Zippyjuan]

1st generation legal immigrants do tend to commit less than the average of natives that includes certain groups that commit far more than most.

Wait- you also admitting that immigrants are less likely to be criminals than citizens!

So much for trying to use crime as an excuse to keep them out.

[oyarde]

I made 11 arrows today , by my reckoning , in case the somalians invade me i can get more than one per arrow . I also picked up 40 more rounds of .22Mag and 25 more rounds of .410 slugs to add to my hoard . That said , unlike minnesota , I doubt the somalians invade me . I think they will be to afraid .

[Anti Federalist]

Interesting...

No where can I find a stat on what the violent crime rate for immigrants is.

I can find plenty that I can easily pick holes in, but not one for that to use a direct comparison to violent crime rate within sub groups of people in the US.

How strange...maybe my search fu is weak.

[Anti Federalist]

Wow. You posted a chart showing native born citizens commit more crime than immigrants! If the goal is lower crime rates, that means we need to import more, not fewer, immgrants! Also shows that over time they become more like the rest of us. Americans.

I posted a chart that shows by second generation they commit crime at roughly the same rate.

So what benefit would accrue?

I am asking you to convince me:

How is importing thousands of semi-retarded Somalis into rural Maine a net benefit?

[Danke]

http://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/examples-serious-crimes-illegal-aliens


Examples of Serious Crimes By Illegal Aliens






Lennox Lake





On May 6th 2017 on the way back from DisneyLand, Ingrid Lake's car was struck by a drunk driver. The accident severely injured her 6 year old son Lennox. The driver of the vehicle Constantino Banda Acosta, was previously deported over 15 times before the accident. This accident has forever altered the Lake family.
Ronald Da Silva





On April 27, 2002, Ronald da Silva was standing with a friend in his driveway when he was shot and killed by an illegal alien who had been previously deported. The illegal alien was sentenced to 21 years in prison but will be released in 2020. Ronald da Silva’s mother, Agnes Gibboney, has made a powerful statement, “The guy that killed my son has a determinate sentence in prison but I have a lifetime sentence of grief and pain.” Since the tragedy occurred, Agnes has been on the front line pushing for immigration reform.
Tessa Tranchant





Tessa Tranchant, 16, was killed on March 30, 2007 in Virginia Beach, Virginia. Tessa and her friend, Ali Kunhardt, were sitting at a stoplight when Alfredo Ramos, an illegal alien from Mexico who was intoxicated and speeding, rear-ended their car. Ramos had a history of prior convictions, but due to Virginia Beach’s sanctuary policies, he was never detained. He was charged with two counts of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to 40 years in prison.
Sarah Root





Sarah Root, 21, from Omaha, Nebraska was killed on January 31, 2016. Her SUV was rear-ended by Eswin Mejia, an illegal alien from Honduras, who was street racing. Sarah had just graduated from Bellevue University with a 4.0 GPA the day before she passed away. Omaha is in Douglas County, Nebraska which has sanctuary policies that impede local law enforcement’s ability to cooperate with ICE officers. Mejia was charged with motor vehicular homicide but posted bond to get out of jail and was released. He is still on the run.
Shayley Estes





Igor Zubko, an illegal alien from Russia, killed Shayley on July 24, 2015 in Phoenix, Arizona. Shayley obtained an order of protection against Zubko just 10 days before her murder, but he entered her home and fatally shot her. Zubko entered the U.S. legally, but overstayed his visa and remained in the U.S. illegally. He is in police custody and faces first-degree murder charges.

[Swordsmyth]

Wait- you also admitting that immigrants are less likely to be criminals than citizens!
Legal immigrants vs. the average that includes certain groups that distort the average.

Politics is far more important but immigrant crimes would be even lower if we didn't let in so many and if we were more selective about those we allowed in, any crime committed by immigrants is a crime that could have been prevented by not allowing them in so the benefits must outweigh the crime, if we allow in too many the benefits don't.

[Swordsmyth]

I posted a chart that shows by second generation they commit crime at roughly the same rate.
A rate that includes those sub-groups that commit far more per capita.

[Danke]

Illegal Immigrant Crime

by John McClaughry
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Thomas Gallatin of Patriot Post tells us that “A recently released Justice Department report reveals that an astonishing one in five individuals incarcerated in federal prisons is an illegal alien, which amounts to a $1.5 million bill every day to the American taxpayer. The report notes illegal alien crime statistics from the state of Texas alone between 2001 and 2018 — more than 663,000 offenses were committed, including 1,351 homicides, 7,156 sexual assaults, 79,049 assaults and 44,882 thefts, to name but a few. Acting Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director Thomas Homan also said (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/9-of-10-illegal-immigrants-arrested-have-criminal-record) this week that ‘nine out of 10’ illegal immigrants arrested have criminal records.”
Attorney General Jeff Sessions responded to the report, stating, ‘The illegal immigrant crime rate in this country should be zero. Every crime committed by an illegal alien is, by definition, a crime that should have been prevented. Today’s report is yet another reminder that we must continue this [zero tolerance] policy and help fulfill President Trump’s goals of restoring lawfulness to our immigration system and ensure that immigration serves the good of this country.”
“But despite Trump’s crackdown on illegal immigration,” Gallatin continues, “the number of illegal alien border crossings has steadily climbed (http://freebeacon.com/issues/despite-zero-tolerance-illegal-immigration-still-southwestern-border/). And one of the primary culprits for this increase can be attributed to Democrats and their huge push for lawless “sanctuary cities (https://patriotpost.us/tags/sanctuary%20cities?utm_medium=email&utm_source=pp.email.3534&utm_campaign=digest&utm_content=body)” that act as giant magnets attracting greater numbers of illegal aliens.”
Lest anyone forget, that list includes Burlington, Vermont.

– John McClaughry is Vice President of the Ethan Allen Institute

[Danke]

Data Compiled By David Olen Cross
Information obtained from the Oregon Department of Corrections (http://www.oregon.gov/doc/RESRCH/pages/inmate_population.aspx) (DOC) indicated on July 1, 2018 that 172 of 943 foreign nationals (criminal aliens (https://www.ice.gov/criminal-alien-program)) in the state’s prison system were incarcerated for the crime of rape — 18.24 percent of the criminal alien prison population (Note: The number of criminal aliens incarcerated for rape in DOC prisons does not necessarily equal the number of Oregon residents victimized by the violent crime of rape).
Using DOC U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (https://www.ice.gov/) (ICE) immigration detainer (https://www.ice.gov/detainer-policy)numbers, the following table reveals the total number of criminal alien inmates along with the number and percentage of those alien inmates incarcerated on July 1st in the state’s prisons for the crime of rape.


OREGON DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS


Month/Day/Year
DOC Total Number Inmates W/ICE Detainers
DOC Number of Inmates W/ICE Detainers Incarcerated for the Crime of Rape
DOC Percent of Inmates W/ICE Detainers Incarcerated for the Crime of Rape


July 1, 2018
943
172
18.24%


Source: Research and Evaluation DOC Report ICE inmates list 01 July 18.
Significant numbers, the 172 criminal aliens in the DOC prison system incarcerated for rape were 17.64 percent of all inmates, domestic and foreign, in the state’s prisons for the crime of rape.
Using the DOC Inmate Population Profile (http://www.oregon.gov/doc/RESRCH/docs/inmate_profile_201806.pdf) and ICE immigration detainer numbers from July 1st, the following table reveals the total number inmates incarcerated for rape, the number of domestic and criminal alien inmates incarcerated for rape and the percentage rapes committed by criminal aliens.


OREGON DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS


Month/Day/Year
DOC Total Number of Inmates Incarcerated for the Crime of Rape
DOC Number of Domestic Inmates Incarcerated for the Crime of Rape
DOC Number of Inmates W/ICE Detainers Incarcerated for the Crime of Rape
DOC Inmates W/ICE Detainers as a Percentage of All Inmates incarcerated for the Crime of Rape


July 1, 2018
975
803
172
17.64%


Source: Research and Evaluation DOC Report ICE inmates list 01 July 18 and Inmate Population Profile 01 July 18.
Criminal aliens incarcerated in DOC prisons committed at least one crime of rape in 20 of 36 Oregon counties —55.56 percent of the counties in the state.
Five Oregon counties, Marion (48 rapists), Washington (44 rapists), Multnomah (25 rapists), Lane (13 rapists) and Clackamas (10 rapists) had 140 of 172 criminal alien inmates incarcerated in DOC prisons for the crime of rape — 81.40 percent of the alien inmates incarcerated for rape.
Using DOC ICE immigration detainer numbers, the following table reveals the number and percentage of criminal alien inmates incarcerated on July 1st that were sent to prison from the state’s 36 counties for the crime of rape.


OREGON DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS


County
DOC Number of Inmates W/ ICE Detainers by County Incarcerated for the Crime of Rape
DOC Percent of Inmates W/ ICE Detainers by County Incarcerated for the Crime of Rape


Marion
48
27.91%


Washington
44
25.58%


Multnomah
25
14.53%


Lane
13
7.56%


Clackamas
10
5.81%


Yamhill
7
4.07%


Jackson
5
2.91%


Benton
4
2.33%


Coos
2
1.16%


Deschutes
2
1.16%


Hood River
2
1.16%


Malheur
2
1.16%


Clatsop
1
0.58%


Jefferson
1
0.58%


Lincoln
1
0.58%


Linn
1
0.58%


Morrow
1
0.58%


Polk
1
0.58%


Umatilla
1
0.58%


Wasco
1
0.58%


Baker
0
0.00%


Columbia
0
0.00%


Crook
0
0.00%


Curry
0
0.00%


Douglas
0
0.00%


Gilliam
0
0.00%


Grant
0
0.00%


Harney
0
0.00%


Josephine
0
0.00%


Klamath
0
0.00%


Lake
0
0.00%


Tillamook
0
0.00%


OOS (Not a County)
0
0.00%


Sherman
0
0.00%


Union
0
0.00%


Wallowa
0
0.00%


Wheeler
0
0.00%


Total
172
100.00%


Source: Research and Evaluation DOC Report ICE inmates list 01 July 18.
Criminal aliens from 21 identified countries incarcerated in DOC prisons have raped Oregon residents.
Foreign nationals who declared their country or origin as being Mexico were 140 of 172 criminal aliens convicted of rape incarcerated in the DOC prison system — 81.40 percent of the alien rapists in the state’s prisons.
Using DOC ICE immigration detainer numbers, the following table reveals the self-declared countries of origin of the 172 criminal alien inmates by number and percentage incarcerated on July 1st in the state’s prisons for the crime of rape.


OREGON DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS


Country
DOC Number of Inmates W/ ICE Detainers by Country Incarcerated for the Crime of Rape
DOC Percent of Inmates W/ ICE Detainers by Country Incarcerated for the Crime of Rape



Mexico
140
81.40%



Guatemala
6
3.49%



Honduras
3
1.74%



Russia
3
1.74%



El Salvador
2
1.16%



Vietnam
2
1.16%



Wales
2
1.16%



Burma
1
0.58%



Cambodia
1
0.58%



Costa Rica
1
0.58%



Cuba
1
0.58%



Ecuador
1
0.58%



Ethiopia
1
0.58%



Fiji
1
0.58%



India
1
0.58%



Jamaica
1
0.58%



Laos
1
0.58%



Malaysia
1
0.58%



Marshall Islands
1
0.58%



Republic of Congo
1
0.58%



Ukraine
1
0.58%



Total
172
100.00%



Source: Research and Evaluation DOC Report ICE inmates list 01 July 18.
David Olen Cross of Salem, Oregon writes on immigration issues and foreign national crime. The preceding report is a service to Oregon state, county and city governmental officials to help them assess the impact of foreign national crime in the state. He can be reached at docfnc@yahoo.com (docfnc@yahoo.com). His past crime reports can be found at http://docfnc.wordpress.com/ (http://docfnc.wordpress.com/).

[Danke]

What the Media Won’t Tell You About Illegal Immigration and Criminal ActivityMar 13th, 2017 5 min read

Commentary By
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Hans A. von Spakovsky (https://www.heritage.org/staff/hans-von-spakovsky)@HvonSpakovsky (https://twitter.com/HvonSpakovsky)Election Law Reform Initiative and Senior Legal Fellow


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=526831
Grant StroblNational Chairman, Young Americans for Freedom




https://www.heritage.org/sites/default/files/styles/commentary_header_image_375_mobile_375x196/public/images/2017-03/bars.jpg?h=119335f7&itok=PnEeQV5sRequiring the federal government to keep track of and regularly report on the victimization of Americans by illegal aliens is something that the American people should demand.iStockKEY TAKEAWAYS
President Trump announced that the Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement Office would help victims of crimes committed by aliens.


The first report from 2005 (GAO-05-337R) found that criminal aliens (both legal and illegal) make up 27 percent of all federal prisoners.


Every crime committed by an illegal alien is one that wouldn't have occurred if that alien wasn’t in the United States in the first place.




Copied (https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/what-the-media-wont-tell-you-about-illegal-immigration-and-criminal-activity#)
Normally, the ACLU promotes transparency in government and the ability of the public to access public records. But apparently that changes when transparency might reveal damaging information that hurts their opposition to President Trump’s common-sense, revised executive order temporarily suspending entry from six terrorist safe havens in the Middle East and Africa.
How else can one explain the ACLU’s criticism of a little-noticed provision in the executive order that requires the Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security to, among other things, report on the “number and types of acts of gender-based violence against women” in the U.S., like the “honor” killings committed by foreign nationals? That provision will also require public reporting on the number of foreign nationals charged/convicted of “terrorism-related offenses” or removed from the country for terrorism-related activities.
President Trump announced in his speech to Congress that the Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement office (VOICE) would help victims of crimes committed by aliens. There’s also a provision in his Jan. 25 executive order directing DHS to provide “a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens” on a weekly basis. Yet the Left and the media (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/20cb3e3adefa45eb933a7ac6acc207d6/trumps-office-immigrant-crime-dramatic-overhaul) again made the claim that aliens commit less crime than native-born citizens and that the only “cruel” purpose of these actions is to “tag immigrants as criminals.”
According to a recent Associated Press article (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/20cb3e3adefa45eb933a7ac6acc207d6/trumps-office-immigrant-crime-dramatic-overhaul), “multiple studies have concluded that immigrants are less likely to commit crime than native-born U.S. citizens.” But the issue isn’t non-citizens who are in this country legally, and who must abide by the law to avoid having their visas revoked or their application for citizenship refused. The real issue is the crimes committed by illegal aliens. And in that context, the claim is quite misleading, because the “multiple studies” on crimes committed by “immigrants” — including a 2014 study (http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/07418825.2012.659200?scroll=top&needAccess=true) by a professor from the University of Massachusetts, which is the only one cited in the article — combine the crime rates of both citizens and non-citizens, legal and illegal.
That isn’t the only problem with the study. Instead of using official crime data, it uses “self-reported criminal offending and country of birth information.” For obvious reasons, there is little incentive for anyone, let alone criminal aliens, to self-report “delinquent and criminal involvement.” When it comes to self-reporting criminal activity, some respondents will, no doubt, exaggerate. Others will flat out lie. Furthermore, many respondents will likely not disclose if they are a non-citizen out of fear of discovery and deportation.
These claims overlook disturbing actual data on crimes committed by criminal aliens. For example, the Government Accountability Office released two unsettling reports in 2005 on criminal aliens who are in prison for committing crimes in the United States, and issued an updated report in 2011.
The first report (GAO-05-337R (http://www.gao.gov/assets/100/93090.pdf)) found that criminal aliens (both legal and illegal) make up 27 percent of all federal prisoners. Yet according (http://cis.org/ImmigrantCrime) to the Center for Immigration Studies, non-citizens are only about nine percent of the nation’s adult population. Thus, judging by the numbers in federal prisons alone, non-citizens commit federal crimes at three times the rate of citizens.
The findings in the second report (GAO-05-646R (http://www.gao.gov/assets/100/93167.pdf)) are even more disturbing. This report looked at the criminal histories of 55,322 aliens that “entered the country illegally and were still illegally in the country at the time of their incarceration in federal or state prison or local jail during fiscal year 2003.” Those 55,322 illegal aliens had been arrested 459,614 times, an average of 8.3 arrests per illegal alien, and had committed almost 700,000 criminal offenses, an average of roughly 12.7 offenses per illegal alien.
Out of all of the arrests, 12 percent were for violent crimes such as murder, robbery, assault and sex-related crimes; 15 percent were for burglary, larceny, theft and property damage; 24 percent were for drug offenses; and the remaining offenses were for DUI, fraud, forgery, counterfeiting, weapons, immigration, and obstruction of justice.
The 2011 GAO report (http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf) wasn’t much different. It looked at 251,000 criminal aliens in federal, state, and local prisons and jails. Those aliens were arrested nearly 1.7 million times for close to three million criminal offenses. Sixty-eight percent of those in federal prison and 66 percent of those in state prisons were from Mexico. Their offenses ranged from homicide and kidnapping to drugs, burglary, and larceny.
Once again, these statistics are not fully representative of crimes committed by illegal aliens: This report only reflects the criminal histories of aliens who were in prison. If there were a way to include all crimes committed by criminal aliens, the numbers would likely be higher because prosecutors often will agree to drop criminal charges against an illegal alien if they are assured that immigration authorities will deport the alien.
The GAO reports also highlight another important flaw in the study (http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/07418825.2012.659200?scroll=top&needAccess=true) referenced by the Associated Press. It uses survey data from a nationally representative sample of people living in the United States. Thus, the study does not take into account some potentially key factors highlighted in the GAO reports: that criminal aliens from Mexico disproportionately make up incarcerations (GAO-05-337R (http://www.gao.gov/assets/100/93090.pdf)) and that most arrests are made in the three border states of California, Texas, and Arizona (GAO-05-646R (http://www.gao.gov/assets/100/93167.pdf) and GAO-11-187 (http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf)).
Every crime committed by an illegal alien is one that would not have occurred if that alien wasn’t in the United States in the first place.
One 2001 study (https://doi-org.proxy.lib.umich.edu/10.1093/aler/aht017) that does take country of origin and geographic concentration factors into account found that Mexican immigrants “commit between 3.5 and 5 times as many crimes as the average native.” It also pointed out the large concentration of Mexican immigrants in the Southwest, which indicates that a nation-wide sample may not represent what is happening in states with a large concentration of criminal aliens.
Although there are no perfect (http://cis.org/ImmigrantCrime) measures of crimes committed by criminal aliens, it has certainly not been substantiated, as the Associated Press article states, that illegal aliens commit crimes at a lesser rate than either native-born or naturalized American citizens. In fact, existing data seems to show that the opposite is likely true.
But we do know one thing for sure. Every crime committed by an illegal alien is one that would not have occurred if that alien wasn’t in the United States in the first place. That includes the hundreds of thousands of crimes committed by the 55,322 illegal aliens in the GAO study who victimized countless numbers of Americans.
So despite the criticism from the ACLU and others, requiring the federal government to keep track of and regularly report on the victimization of Americans by illegal aliens is not only a good idea, it is something that the American people should demand.

[Danke]

Illegal Immigrants and Crime

By PETER KIRSANOW (https://www.nationalreview.com/author/peter-kirsanow/)


(https://www.nationalreview.com/author/peter-kirsanow/)




February 8, 2018



Over at Reason (https://reason.com/archives/2018/02/01/immigrants-and-crime), Alex Nowrasteh has taken issue with a Corner post (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/455549/crime-illegal-immigration) in which I used SCAAP reimbursement figures (a program which reimburses states and localities for some of the cost of incarcerating illegal aliens and suspected illegal aliens) to do some calculations about illegal aliens’ involvement in crime. Before I address his objections, a few points:







‐ Illegal-immigrant crime calculations conveniently and invariably steal a base by leaving out the millions of crimes committed by illegal immigrants related to procuring fraudulent social security numbers, obtaining false drivers’ licenses, using fraudulent green cards, and improperly accessing public benefits.
‐ My SCAAP-extrapolated crime figures actually are lower than those calculated by John Lott. Using Arizona Department of Corrections data spanning 1985–2017, Lott calculates that illegal immigrants in Arizona aged 18-35, for example, are 250 percent more likely to commit crimes than young U.S. citizens. Further, such illegal immigrants commit more serious crimes — such as murder, robbery, and sexual assault.
‐ Illegal-immigrant crime data, regardless of source, likely understate crimes committed by illegal aliens. That’s because illegal-immigrant victims are less likely to report crime, and even if crimes are reported, illegal immigrants are less likely to appear as witnesses leading to conviction.



‐ Even if illegal immigrants didn’t commit crimes at a higher rate than U.S. citizens, they nonetheless commit crimes — each one of which is a crime that shouldn’t have been committed in the U.S.

[Zippyjuan]

Interesting...

No where can I find a stat on what the violent crime rate for immigrants is.

I can find plenty that I can easily pick holes in, but not one for that to use a direct comparison to violent crime rate within sub groups of people in the US.

How strange...maybe my search fu is weak.

Maybe something like this for different groups in the US? https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-21

It does break down crime arrests by race and category. But a couple things to note. The FBI does not break down crime stats by immigration status and arrests does not necessarily mean you actually committed a crime and the reporting is voluntary by states to provide so it does not sample all states. Also a person arrested for multiple counts could be included in more than one category.


This table provides the number of persons arrested nationwide in 2016 broken down by race and ethnicity of the arrestee. In addition, the table shows the percent distribution of arrests by race and ethnicity for each offense. The table also furnishes a breakdown of these data by juveniles (persons under age 18) and adults.

The totals provided in this table reflect only those persons arrested by law enforcement agencies that provided race information to the UCR Program; therefore, the totals may not match those shown in other arrest tables for the nation.

These data represent the number of persons arrested; however, some persons may be arrested more than once during a year. Therefore, the statistics in this table could, in some cases, represent multiple arrests of the same person.

[Danke]

Conviction data show illegal immigrants commit more crimes than native-born Americans: study




(http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/28/conviction-data-show-illegal-immigrants-commit-more-crimes-than-native-born-americans-study.html#)







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Agents from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) conduct a raid in Atlanta, Feb. 9, 2017. (Reuters)



A report based on conviction data suggests that illegal immigrants in Arizona commit crimes at twice the rate of other residents.
According to the report (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3099992) from the Crime Prevention Research Center, illegal immigrants between ages 15 and 35 account for 3 percent of Arizona’s population but make up approximately 8 percent of the prison population, the Washington Times reported (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/john-r-lott-jr/).
John R. Lott Jr., CPRC president and the report's author, said the crimes of which these illegal immigrants were convicted tended to be more serious. His findings challenge previous assertions that illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes.


Previous studies on the topic usually don't compare conviction data between legal and illegal populations, Lott said.
“There appears to be a huge difference between the two groups,” he said. “The type of person who goes through the process to legally immigrate in the United States appears to be very law-abiding versus even the U.S.-born population."
John Lott is an economist, political commentator, and long-time gun rights advocate.
Click here for more from the Washington Times (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/26/illegals-commit-crimes-double-rate-native-born-stu/).

[Danke]

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Illegal Immigrants Commit 142 Percent More Crime Than Legal Immigrants and Citizens: Report
BY CHARLOTTE CUTHBERTSON (https://www.theepochtimes.com/author-charlottec)
February 1, 2018 Updated: June 24, 2018
New data from the Arizona state prison system shows that illegal immigrants are at least 142 percent more likely to be convicted of a crime than other Arizonans, according to a study by John Lott, founder and president of the Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC).
Lott also found that illegal immigrants tend to commit more serious crimes, serve 10.5 percent longer sentences, are more likely to be classified as dangerous, and are 45 percent more likely to be gang members than U.S. citizens. They are also much more likely to commit sexual offenses against minors, sexual assault, DUI, and armed robbery.
“If illegal immigrants committed crime nationally as they do in Arizona, in 2016 they would have been responsible for over 1,000 more murders, 5,200 rapes, 8,900 robberies, 25,300 aggravated assaults, and 26,900 burglaries,” Lott said in his summary.


The data represent all prisoners who entered the Arizona Department of Corrections for the last 32 years.


Lott said the data used in his report includes detailed information on all prisoners who entered the Arizona state prison from January 1985 through June 2017. The data provided allowed the CPRC to separate non-U.S. citizens into illegal or legal groups, which is the first time such a distinction has been available in data.
By lumping together documented and undocumented immigrants, previous research has missed out on the huge differences between these two groups, the report said.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/assets/uploads/2018/02/10/Untitled-8.png“As we will see, documented and undocumented immigrants have vastly different incarceration rates in Arizona,” Lott said. “Undocumented immigrants have the highest rates, whereas documented immigrants actually have lower rates than do U.S. citizens.”


The most likely victims of illegal immigrants are other illegal immigrants, which means the numbers are likely an artificially low estimate of the amount of crime committed—because the crimes they commit against each other are far less likely to be reported due to their illegal status.
Lott found one very distinctive anomaly in the data related to recidivism. Almost 25 percent of U.S. citizens who are convicted in Arizona cycle in and out of jail at least five times, according to the data. However, just under 3 percent of illegal aliens have the same prison history.
“The most plausible reading of the evidence suggests that they are leaving Arizona, presumably to return to their home country [through deportation], overwhelmingly Mexico,” Lott said.

[Zippyjuan]

More information dumps to try to bury facts. I see you keep piles of links handy so you can post them so quickly.

"Uh oh! Somebody posting on Immigration! Bury the data!"

"Immigrants can only be seen as murderers and rapists!"

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Illegal Immigrants Are Far More Likely to Commit Serious Crimes Than the U.S. Public

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President Trump recently held a conference (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-members-angel-families-immigration/) with family members of U.S. citizens killed by illegal immigrants. The parents of nine people slain by such immigrants spoke about their family’s experiences, and Trump presented an array of government data on criminal immigrants and stated:
I always hear that, “Oh, no, the population is safer than the people that live in the country.” You’ve heard that, fellas. Right? You’ve heard that. I hear it so much. And I say, “Is that possible?” The answer is it’s not true.In response, the Associated Press published a “fact check (https://apnews.com/d9a87c985127417191f5bd2c922a2bb6)“ claiming that illegal immigrants are more law-abiding than the general public. Various media outlets, such as the New York Times, Yahoo!, and a number of NBC affiliates published this article. The Washington Post ran (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/two-charts-demolish-the-notion-that-immigrants-here-illegally-commit-more-crime/) a similar story, and other media outlets and so-called fact checkers have made similar claims (https://www.justfacts.com/immigration.asp#crime_media) in the past.The truth, however, is that comprehensive, straightforward facts from primary sources—namely the Obama administration Census Bureau and Department of Justice—prove that illegal immigrants are far more likely to commit serious crimes than the U.S. population. Studies that claim otherwise typically suffer from fallacies condemned by academic publications about how to accurately analyze data.The Most Concrete FactsData on illegal immigration and crime is often clouded, precisely because these are unlawful activities where perpetrators seek to hide their actions. Also, governments sometimes fail to record or release (https://www.justfacts.com/immigration.asp#crime) information that could be or has been obtained. The Obama administration, in particular, refused to release (https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/06/13/ice-freed-sex-offenders-often-without-notifying-states/v14qAOXKUOqAtaFeKGeGWI/story.html) the names of convicted immigrant sex offenders and hid other details (http://trac.syr.edu/immigration/reports/458/) about crimes committed by immigrants.Nonetheless, a combination of three material facts sheds enough light on this issue to draw some firm conclusions.First, U.S. Census data from 2011 to 2015 shows that noncitizens are 7% more likely (http://www.justfacts.com/reference/immigrant_incarceration_population.xls) than the U.S. population to be incarcerated in adult correctional facilities. This alone debunks the common media narrative, but it only scratches the surface of serious criminality by illegal immigrants.Second, Department of Justice data reveals that in the decade ending in 2015, the U.S. deported at least 1.5 million noncitizens who were convicted of committing crimes in the U.S. (Table 41 (https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Yearbook_Immigration_Statistics_2015.pdf)). This amounts to 10 times the number of noncitizens in U.S. adult correctional facilities during 2015.Third, Department of Justice data shows that convicts released from prison have an average of 3.9 prior convictions, not including convictions that led to their imprisonment (Table 5 (http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rprts05p0510.pdf)). This means that people in prison are often repeat offenders—but as shown by the previous fact, masses of convicted criminals have been deported, making it hard for them to reoffend and end up in a U.S. prison.In other words, even after deporting 10 times more noncitizens convicted of crimes than are in U.S. prisons and jails, they are still 7% more likely to be incarcerated than the general public. This indicates a level of criminality that is multiplicatively higher than the U.S. population.Furthermore, roughly half of noncitizens (https://www.justfacts.com/immigration.asp#numbers_noncitizens) are in the U.S. legally (https://www.justfacts.com/immigration.asp#numbers_legal), and legal immigrants rarely commit crimes (https://www.justfacts.com/immigration.asp#crime). This is because U.S. immigration laws (https://www.justfacts.com/immigration.asp#legal_requirements) are designed to keep criminals out. Thus, the vast majority of incarcerated noncitizens are doubtlessly illegal immigrants. If legal immigrants were removed from the equation, the incarceration rate of illegal immigrants would probably be about twice as high as for all noncitizens.On the other hand, there is uncertainty (http://www.justfacts.com/immigration.asp#numbers) about the exact number of noncitizens in the U.S., and Census figures are almost surely low. Hence, the incarceration rate of illegal immigrants is likely not twice as high as the U.S. population. Nevertheless, this is only the tip of the iceberg, because the U.S. continually deports massive numbers of illegal immigrant convicts.Data MisuseAccording to the AP, one of the supposed reasons why Trump is wrong is that “Ruben Rumbaut, a University of California, Irvine sociology professor, co-authored a recent study that noted crime rates fell sharply from 1990 to 2015 at a time when illegal immigration spiked.” This study is a quintessential example of data misuse, because it confuses association with causation and cherry picks a timeframe that creates a misleading impression.Per the study (https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/criminalization-immigration-united-states):
Between 1990 and 2013, the foreign-born share of the U.S. population grew from 7.9 percent to 13.1 percent and the number of unauthorized immigrants more than tripled from 3.5 million to 11.2 million.During the same period, FBI data indicate that the violent crime rate declined 48 percent—which included falling rates of aggravated assault, robbery, rape, and murder.Such data reveals nothing about the effects of illegal immigrants on crime, because as explained in a textbook (http://www.worldcat.org/title/introductory-econometrics-using-monte-carlo-simulation-with-microsoft-excel/oclc/94939267) about analyzing data:
Association is not the same as causation. This issue is a persistent problem in empirical analysis in the social sciences. Often the investigator will plot two variables and use the tight relationship obtained to draw absolutely ridiculous or completely erroneous conclusions. Because we so often confuse association and causation, it is extremely easy to be convinced that a tight relationship between two variables means that one is causing the other. This is simply not true.Numerous other academic writings say the same, and this basic fact is taught in high school statistics. For example, the Common Core (http://www.justfacts.com/education.asp#common) math standards require (http://www.corestandards.org/wp-content/uploads/Math_Standards.pdf) students to “distinguish between correlation and causation.” Yet, Rumbaut and two other PhDs authored this flawed study, and the AP and PolitiFact uncritically quoted (https://www.justfacts.com/immigration.asp#crime_media) it.The Rumbaut study has another major problem, because it cherry picks a timeframe that diverges from the larger picture. Contrary to its narrative that growing numbers of immigrants during 1990–2013 caused crime to fall, the number of immigrants also grew during the 1970s and 1980s, but during this time, the homicide rate rose, fell, and rose again:https://www.justfactsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/murder_correlation.png (https://www.justfactsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/murder_correlation.png)In the words of another academic book (https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Taming+The+Big+Data+Tidal+Wave%3A+Finding+Opportun ities+in+Huge+Data+Streams+with+Advanced+Analytics-p-9781118208786) about data analysis:
One of the worst abuses of analytics is to cherry pick results. Cherry pickers tout analysis findings when the results serve the purpose at hand. But, they ignore the findings when the results conflict with the original plan.The AP also cited another study that suffers from much the same shortcomings. Published in the journal Criminology (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1745-9125.12175), it examines state-level data from 1990–2014 and finds that “increases in the undocumented immigrant population within states are associated with significant decreases in the prevalence of violence.” Besides using a timeframe when crime fell sharply, these statistics are merely associations, and the authors admit “they are hardly conclusive.”Thus, they take their study further by using a statistical technique called a “regression” to control for factors besides immigration that could affect crime rates. Based on this, they find that “undocumented immigration over this period is generally associated with decreasing violent crime.”Again, this is just an association, and it does not show that illegal immigration reduced crime, because other factors are undoubtedly at play. As detailed in a book about regressions (https://us.sagepub.com/sites/default/files/upm-binaries/2725_allis01.pdf), they share “an additional problem with all methods of statistical control,” because “there’s no way that we can measure all the variables that might conceivably affect” an outcome.In this case, the outcome is general crime levels, and their causes are notoriously difficult to identify. In the words of an Oxford University Press textbook on criminology (https://global.oup.com/academic/product/criminology-9780198736752?cc=us&lang=en&), this is “because there are simply too many unknowns and unmeasured dark figures of crime and explanation to enable us to draw valid and reliable conclusions from research.”Moreover, illegal immigrants comprise only 4% (http://www.justfacts.com/reference/immigrant_incarceration_population.xls) of the total U.S. population in this study. Yet, the study seeks to determine their criminality by measuring total crime rates for the entire populations of the states. That is beyond far-fetched, because even small changes in crime among the other 96% of the population could easily overwhelm any effects from illegal immigrants.In sum, these studies don’t prove anything about the criminality of unauthorized immigrants. As obvious as it sounds, this needs to be said: To measure the criminality of illegal immigrants, one must actually measure their criminality or a valid proxy for it. These studies do not do that.Half-TruthsThe AP also cited a study from the “libertarian think tank Cato Institute (https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-research-policy-brief/criminal-immigrants-texas-illegal-immigrant)“ as evidence that “people here illegally are less likely to commit crime than U.S. citizens,” but the study is a classic example of one that misleads by ignoring relevant facts.The study, conducted by Cato policy analyst Alex Nowrasteh, examines arrests and convictions of illegal immigrants in the state of Texas. Unlike sanctuary jurisdictions (https://www.justfacts.com/immigration.asp#crime_sanctuary) that refuse to record and/or publish such information, Texas collects and makes this data publicly available (https://www.dps.texas.gov/administration/crime_records/pages/txCriminalAlienStatistics.htm). By using this data and immigrant population estimates, the study finds that in 2015, the conviction rates of illegal immigrants in Texas for:

homicide were 25% below that of native-born Americans.
sexual assault and larceny were 11.5% below that of U.S. natives.
all criminal acts were 56% below that of U.S. natives.

In isolation, these statistics vastly understate the criminality of illegal immigrants—first and foremost—because they fail to account for the fact that hordes of criminal immigrants are constantly deported. This is especially relevant when it comes to crimes like murder, in which the vast bulk of perpetrators have previous criminal records. For example:

in New York City (https://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/28/nyregion/new-york-killers-and-those-killed-by-numbers.html) from 2003 to 2005, more than 90% of the known killers were people with criminal records.
in Baltimore (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ci-cops-killers-victims-20160107-story.html) during 2015, 77% of murder suspects had prior criminal records, and the average suspect had been previously arrested more than nine times.

These facts have even greater importance in a state like Texas, which readily (https://www.dps.texas.gov/administration/crime_records/pages/txCriminalAlienStatistics.htm)cooperates (https://www.dps.texas.gov/administration/crime_records/pages/txCriminalAlienStatistics.htm) with the Department of Homeland Security to deport criminal immigrants. As a participant in the Department’s Priority Enforcement Program, Texas investigates the immigration status of all arrestees and helps immigration authorities “take custody of individuals who pose a danger to public safety before those individuals are released into our communities.”In Texas, there’s almost no chance that illegal immigrants could be arrested nine times and still be in the state and on the loose. In all likelihood, they would either be deported or locked up long before then. This would explain why the murder rate for illegal immigrants who remain in Texas is lower than that of U.S. natives.This also may be why Cato finds relatively low overall conviction rates for illegal immigrants in Texas—while nationwide—the Congressional Research Service reports (https://fas.org/sgp/crs/homesec/R44627.pdf) that the incarceration rate for noncitizens has “corresponded closely to that of noncitizens in the U.S. population….” Again, since roughly half of noncitizens (https://www.justfacts.com/immigration.asp#numbers_noncitizens) are in the U.S. legally (https://www.justfacts.com/immigration.asp#numbers_legal), and legal immigrants tend to be very law-abiding (https://www.justfacts.com/immigration.asp#crime), the incarceration rate of illegal immigrants is probably about twice as high as for all noncitizens.Also, unauthorized immigrants are more apt to literally get away with murder than the general population. This is because murders committed by minorities (https://www.justfacts.com/racialissues.asp#violence_unsolved) are less likely to be solved. In the sanctuary city of Chicago (https://www.cityofchicago.org/city/en/depts/mayor/supp_info/office-of-new-americans/sanctuary-city-supportive-resources.html), for example, the portion of murders that resulted in a suspect being identified and acted upon (https://www.justfacts.com/racialissues.asp#violence_unsolved) by the criminal justice system was 19% in 2016, as compared to a nationwide average of 59%.On top of this, information from the Social Security Administration and other sources shows that most illegal immigrants engage in identity fraud (https://www.justfacts.com/immigration.asp#crime_fraud). This is a federal felony punishable by up to five years (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1546) in prison.All of this proves that illegal immigrants have much greater levels of serious criminality than their arrest and conviction rates indicate. Those metrics only tell part of the story, particularly in a state like Texas that consistently works with the Department of Homeland Security to deport criminal immigrants.Other FarcesBeyond the fallacies in this AP “fact check,” various journalists and scholars have misled the public about this issue by using bait-and-switch tactics (http://www.justfacts.com/immigration.asp#crime_media_bait) and statistical techniques that are inappropriate to the data (http://www.justfacts.com/immigration.asp#crime_media_bersani). Per another book about data analysis (http://www.mypearsonstore.com/bookstore/business-and-competitive-analysis-effective-application-9780133086409), “Statistical analysis is very easy to misuse and misinterpret. Any method of analysis used, whenever applied to data, will provide a result, and all statistical results look authoritative.”ConclusionWhen it comes to illegal immigration and crime, media outlets often lavish attention on fatally flawed studies while ignoring straightforward, comprehensive, and rigorously documented facts about this issue. Such facts show that Trump is correct on this point. Illegal immigrants are much more likely to commit serious crimes than the general public.However, the opposite is true when it comes to legal immigrants, especially those who become U.S. citizens. They are 79% less likely (http://www.justfacts.com/reference/immigrant_incarceration_population.xls) than the general public to be incarcerated in adult correctional facilities. In this case, deportations are not a factor, because immigrants who become citizens generally cannot be deported (http://defgen.vermont.gov/sites/defgen/files/Research/Reference_Chart_-_CT.pdf) unless they are stripped of their citizenship, which is a rare occurrence (https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/former-naturalized-us-citizen-admits-immigration-fraud-ordered-deported-failing).There’s good reason why immigrant citizens are so law-abiding. To become U.S. citizens (https://www.justfacts.com/immigration.asp#citizenship_requirements), they must pass a full FBI background check, demonstrate they have good moral character, show they will not be a financial burden on taxpayers, and take a public oath of allegiance to the U.S. Constitution. Illegal immigrants avoid such vetting, and this allows masses of criminals to enter the U.S.

[Swordsmyth]

More information dumps to try to bury facts. I see you keep piles of links handy so you can post them so quickly.

Zippy objects to information.

[timosman]

Zippy objects to information.

Zippy suffers from social anxiety. Interacting with immigrants puts him at ease as he has a leg up from a get go in these situations. :cool:

[Swordsmyth]

Zippy suffers from social anxiety. Interacting with immigrants puts him at ease as he has a leg up from a get go in these situations. :cool:
Zippy wants to turn America into a Latin American Banana Republic crossed with Red China.