Why Asians are shifting away from the Republican party.

[jmdrake]

This is a part of a two part video post I'm doing addressing the question "Do people from socialist hellholes automatically want to make America socialist."

According to the stats, just 20 to 30 years ago Asians voted 70% Republican. Now that trend has reversed. Why? Watch the video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytjZbGjlml4

This ties into another thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?526479-Video-Why-We-(as-Asians)-Hate-The-Progressive-Left

I am posting them separately because they are two separate issues but they tie into the same point. The very fear mongering rhetoric nativists indulge could have the effect of turning allies into enemies. A

[Mach]

What she seemed to explain is.... when they look at things and think emotionally, they are Democrat, when they look at things with more common sense and factually, they think Republican.

By the way, you would think that if people were able to recognize all of that micro-racism that they would be offended by this Asian study, too?

They are being singled out as different, even though they may have lived here their whole life.

[oyarde]

I never meet too many asian "republicans " in cambodia .

[timosman]

https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2014/06/11/trends-asian-americans-republican/

The video is from 2014. :cool:


Jun. 11, 2014

Rising income among other factors indicate that Asian Americans should be a natural fit for the Republican Party, yet they have flocked to the other side at a stunning pace.

In the 2012 presidential election, Democratic President Obama garnered 73 percent of the Asian American vote, and Asian Americans have been steadily moving to the Democratic Party over the last two decades, say three academics who are studying the issue.

“It’s puzzling because in political science, it is well-documented that income is positively correlated with the Republican Party,” said Cecilia Mo, assistant professor of political science at Vanderbilt University and one of three authors of the paper, “Why do Asian Americans Identify as Democrats? Testing Theories of Social Exclusion and Intergroup Solidarity.”

“Yet here is this group (Asian Americans) going against this trend that we’ve noticed for decades. Moreover, wealthy Asian Americans are even more likely to vote for Democrats than poorer Asian Americans.”

The behavior of Asian American voters is going to be of increasing interest to both parties as time goes by, Mo said.

“Asian Americans are now at 4 percent of the population and they are the fastest-growing ethnic group in this country. They are projected to be 9 percent of the U.S. population by 2050.”

Asian Americans have not always been supporters of the Democratic Party. In 1992, Bill Clinton captured just 36 percent of the Asian American vote. And when studying the occupations, education levels, marital status and values of Asian Americans, many political commentators have viewed Asians as a natural Republican constituency.

In the paper, it’s noted that the median Asian American household ($65,429) is wealthier than the median white household ($51,863), and much wealthier than the median African American household ($32,584) and Hispanic household ($38,039).

Mo, with Alexander Kuo, assistant professor of government at Cornell University, and Neil Malhotra, associate professor at Stanford Graduate School of Business, hypothesized that one reason Asian Americans have turned away from the Republican Party could be that they associate feelings of social exclusion based on their ethnic background with the GOP.

“We were sensing that the Republican Party was becoming whiter and more Christian as the rhetoric around minority groups shifted after 9/11 and the Tea Party movement gained ground,” Mo said. “We thought there was something about how Asian Americans are reacting to anti-minority rhetoric and associating that with the Republican Party in a much more concrete way than ever before.”

In one part of the study, test subjects were brought in to fill out a survey. But first, some of both the Asian American and white subjects were asked by a research assistant: “Are you a U.S. citizen? I can’t tell.”

Whites had no visible reaction to the question, except to answer it. Asian Americans were often clearly disturbed by the question and some took pains to explain to the research assistant why it was offensive. This seemingly innocuous question carried the implied message that Asian Americans are not true Americans, and can be called a racial microaggression. Mo notes: “Statements like ‘Where are you really from?’ and ‘Your English is so good’ are commonly heard by people of color, even when they share that they were born in the United States, and can be perceived as racial slights by racial minorities in a world where overt prejudice is seldom tolerated.”

“The Asian American participants who were asked this question prior to the survey were more likely to be critical of the Republican Party (in the survey),” Mo said. “They were more likely to view the Republican Party as ‘ignorant’ and ‘closed minded,’ and less likely to view the Republican Party as a party that represents their interests.”

While 76 percent of Asian Americans who weren’t asked the question tended to identify with the Democratic Party, 87 percent of those who were asked the racial microaggression identified with the Democratic Party.

There are wedge issues like immigration and affirmative action that the GOP can leverage to gain support from Asian Americans and pit them against other minority groups, Mo said. Republicans could emphasize that Asian Americans are not like other minority groups, and have competing interests with groups such as Hispanics.

However, the GOP would run the risk of alienating Hispanics if they tried such a maneuver, making them vulnerable on another front.

[Zippyjuan]

Asia is our #1 source of immigration- legal and illegal- not Mexico or Latin America. Gonna need a bigger wall! Maybe in the middle of the ocean?

"We don't want any foreigners here! But why won't they vote for us? "

[TheCount]

Turns out that when you make "the other" your enemy to stir up your own tribe, you drive all other tribes into the arms of your opponents.

Unlike our resident racists, I'm unconvinced that hispanics and blacks are genetically progressive either. Rather, I think that conservatives - hilariously, particularly cultural conservatives - do an extremely poor job of outreach to non-white communities, and since they're entirely surrounded by their dogwhistling compadres, people who might otherwise be interested in the economic opportunities that might come from Republican initiatives quickly get the message that they're not wanted, and so they go elsewhere. Worse, they're told that they're not capable of achieving economic success on their own, and that they have to live on government largess. And it's not just the Democrats telling them that; that is a bipartisan effort.

[AuH20]

Natural democrats. We're surrounded by them.

[Swordsmyth]

If they loved liberty they would never vote Demoncrat for any reason, but they don't love liberty, they love money and power and they love flooding us with their relatives faster than we can assimilate them.

[timosman]

The way to achieve success in US is to be ultra-liberal. Just copy what other successful people are doing at work and you will be fine. I am glad we've had that conversation. :D

[AuH20]

Most of the world is populated by frothing at the mouth socialists. Go through each major continent and examine the dominant governing structure. Let's just face reality. Another country like the US will most likely never emerge.

[timosman]

Most of the world is populated by frothing at the mouth socialists. Go through each major continent and examine the dominant governing structure. Let's just face reality. Another country like the US will most likely never emerge.

Did anybody mention you sound like Hitler? Where is your empathy for suffering of other human beings? :confused:

[Swordsmyth]

Most of the world is populated by frothing at the mouth socialists. Go through each major continent and examine the dominant governing structure. Let's just face reality. Another country like the US will most likely never emerge.
America was a miracle, if we lose it we may not get another one before the second coming.

[Zippyjuan]

America was a miracle, if we lose it we may not get another one before the second coming.

Built by immigrants.

[oyarde]

Built by immigrants.

I was already here .

[Swordsmyth]

Built by immigrants.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJaGYcVFIVY

[Zippyjuan]

Without immigration, Oyarde would be the only one here. The rest of us are either migrants or descendants of migrants. Immigrant labor built our roads, dams, and monuments and buildings. All those pesky Italians, Germans, Irish coming here to destroy our culture!

[timosman]

Without immigration, Oyarde would be the only one here.

Diversity is our strength! :cool:

[Swordsmyth]

Without immigration, Oyarde would be the only one here. The rest of us are either migrants or descendants of migrants. Immigrant labor built our roads, dams, and monuments and buildings.
That is meaningless, even Oyarde's ancestors came from elsewhere, we have had enough immigrants to give us a start, also I have never called for zero immigration.

[Zippyjuan]

That is meaningless, even Oyarde's ancestors came from elsewhere, we have had enough immigrants to give us a start, also I have never called for zero immigration.

How many would be OK? Not zero. A million?

[Swordsmyth]

How many would be OK?
I don't have a number off the top of my head but I'm sure that immigration reform groups have some percentage of the population per year calculated, if I was in charge of rewriting American immigration policy I would look into it and make up my mind.

[AuH20]

1040650131832557568

[Zippyjuan]

I don't have a number off the top of my head but I'm sure that immigration reform groups have some percentage of the population per year calculated, if I was in charge of rewriting American immigration policy I would look into it and make up my mind.

So maybe our current immigration rate is OK. Some groups think fewer should be let in- some think more should be let in. Do you have a general idea of a percentage? Ten? Five? One?

[eleganz]

This is a part of a two part video post I'm doing addressing the question "Do people from socialist hellholes automatically want to make America socialist."

According to the stats, just 20 to 30 years ago Asians voted 70% Republican. Now that trend has reversed. Why? Watch the video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytjZbGjlml4

This ties into another thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?526479-Video-Why-We-(as-Asians)-Hate-The-Progressive-Left

I am posting them separately because they are two separate issues but they tie into the same point. The very fear mongering rhetoric nativists indulge could have the effect of turning allies into enemies. A

Are these your channels? I've seen one of your videos before and wanted to say good work.

[Swordsmyth]

So maybe our current immigration rate is OK.
No it is NOT, we have not been assimilating them at current rates.


Some groups think fewer should be let in-
They are right.


some think more should be let in.
They are wrong.


Do you have a general idea of a percentage?
No, I have seen numbers before but I don't remember them right now, take whatever the current numbers are and cut it by at least 2/3.

[Zippyjuan]

No it is NOT, we have not been assimilating them at current rates.


They are right.


They are wrong.


No, I have seen numbers before but I don't remember them right now, take whatever the current numbers are and cut it by at least 2/3.

So you have no idea if there are too many immigrants coming in or not.

[Swordsmyth]

So you have no idea if there are too many immigrants coming in or not.

Can't you read?
I know there are too many.

[Zippyjuan]

Can't you read?
I know there are too many.

How do you know? Too many for what?

[Swordsmyth]

How do you know?

They aren't assimilating and this:
U.S. foreign-born population swells to highest in over a century (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?526426-U-S-foreign-born-population-swells-to-highest-in-over-a-century)



Too many for what?
Too many for proper assimilation, they are turning us into them instead of the other way around and if things keep going the way they are they will take over.

[Zippyjuan]

They aren't assimilating and this:
U.S. foreign-born population swells to highest in over a century (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?526426-U-S-foreign-born-population-swells-to-highest-in-over-a-century)



Too many for proper assimilation, they are turning us into them instead of the other way around and if things keep going the way they are they will take over.

How do you determine if somebody is "assimilated"? When they look, talk, think, and act the exact same way you do? Since we are all different, nobody could be truely assimilated by that measure.

Maybe you are right. We should beware of the habits of these strangers. We may start to adopt some of them and enjoy things like pizza, beer and sushi. We would be ruined!

Maybe we should go back to the numbers we had in the late 1800's or early 1900's when things were better.

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/images/pubs-images/44xxx/44134-land-ForeignBornPop.png

[timosman]

Too many for proper assimilation, they are turning us into them instead of the other way around and if things keep going the way they are they will take over.

Zippy is a great example of failure to assimilate. Spewing communist propaganda on a liberty forum for over 10 years. Should we give him 10 more or declare this experiment a failure? :confused:

[Swordsmyth]

How do you determine if somebody is "assimilated"? When they look, talk, think, and act the exact same way you do? Since we are all different, nobody could be truely assimilated by that measure.

Maybe you are right. We should beware of the habits of these strangers. We may start to adopt some of them and enjoy things like pizza, beer and sushi. We would be ruined!
The kind of assimilation I am concerned with is mostly political, we need everyone to be in the same ballpark libertywise and the foreigners are expanding our horizons in the wrong direction.
Then there are some considerations that are more practical, like speaking English, or not using the street for a toilet.

[Swordsmyth]

Zippy is a great example of failure to assimilate. Spewing communist propaganda on a liberty forum for over 10 years. Should we give him 10 more or declare this experiment a failure? :confused:

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP. 9vasLyezISeYnpZtKyAUWwHaHb%26pid%3D15.1&f=1

[Zippyjuan]

Maybe if they were better educated than the ones who came say 50 years ago it would be OK. We don't need no dummies.

http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/1/2018/09/13095436/FT_18.09.13_EducationImmigrants_Anincreasingshare. png

[Zippyjuan]

The kind of assimilation I am concerned with is mostly political, we need everyone to be in the same ballpark libertywise and the foreigners are expanding our horizons in the wrong direction.
Then there are some considerations that are more practical, like speaking English, or not using the street for a toilet.

So only let them in if they promise to vote Republican or Libertarian. (keeping in mind that they can't actually vote until they become citizens).

[Swordsmyth]

Maybe if they were better educated than the ones who came say 50 years ago it would be OK. We don't need no dummies.

http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/1/2018/09/13095436/FT_18.09.13_EducationImmigrants_Anincreasingshare. png

Higher indoctrination is not a cure for the problem.

[Swordsmyth]

So only let them in if they promise to vote Republican.
Let in very few at all and let in less from countries that have a worse political culture.

[Zippyjuan]

Higher indoctrination is not a cure for the problem.

But you said you wanted them indoctrinated- to vote just like you do.

[Zippyjuan]

Let in very few at all and let in less from countries that have a worse political culture.

How do you measure "political culture"?

[Swordsmyth]

But you said you wanted them indoctrinated- to vote just like you do.
Assimilation isn't indoctrination.

[Swordsmyth]

How do you measure "political culture"?

There are many ways.

[timosman]

How do you measure "political culture"?

To give you some idea you would be the reference point for 0. :cool:

[Zippyjuan]

Assimilation isn't indoctrination.

You have to indoctrinate people to assimilate them. Otherwise you just let them be themselves- even if it is different from everybody else.

[Zippyjuan]

To give you some idea you would be the reference point for 0. :cool:

What would be say a "2"? What are we? Are we the zero?

[Swordsmyth]

You have to indoctrinate people to assimilate them. Otherwise you just let them be themselves- even if it is different from everybody else.
Not true.

[timosman]

You have to indoctrinate people to assimilate them. Otherwise you just let them be themselves- even if it is different from everybody else.

English, please?

[Zippyjuan]

Not true.

How do you assimilate them without indoctrination? You said assimilation meant agreeing with you politically.


The kind of assimilation I am concerned with is mostly political, we need everyone to be in the same ballpark libertywise and the foreigners are expanding our horizons in the wrong direction.

[timosman]

What would be say a "2"? What are we? Are we the zero?

2 would be half of what 4 is.

[timosman]

How do you assimilate them?

You let them troll RPF for 10 years and make the final decision after that. :cool:

[Swordsmyth]

How do you assimilate them without indoctrination? You said assimilation meant agreeing with you politically.
Assimilation is passive, the immigrants and their children absorb Americana by being surrounded by it.

[Zippyjuan]

Assimilation is passive, the immigrants and their children absorb Americana by being surrounded by it.

That takes a few generations and is what happens now so I guess you are stuck with things the way they are.

[Swordsmyth]

That takes a few generations and is what happens now so I guess you are stuck with things the way they are.
Which is why we need an immigration freeze and then much lower immigration.

Thanks for proving my point.

[Zippyjuan]

Which is why we need an immigration freeze and then much lower immigration.

Thanks for proving my point.

For you, there will never be a "proper" level of immigration. That does not mean that for the country, the levels are incorrect.

[timosman]

For you, there will never be a "proper" level of immigration. That does not mean that for the country, the levels are incorrect.

Are you done trolling for today? :confused:

[Swordsmyth]

For you, there will never be a "proper" level of immigration.
Do you have a degree in Mind Reading?


That does not mean that for the country, the levels are incorrect.
They are.

[nobody's_hero]

Another 'we're losing votes to the left because we're not smiling enough' thread.

[jmdrake]

Natural democrats. We're surrounded by them.

One of them is occupying the whitehouse.

[jmdrake]

If they loved liberty they would never vote Demoncrat for any reason, but they don't love liberty, they love money and power and they love flooding us with their relatives faster than we can assimilate them.

:rolleyes: You really don't understand how self contradictory you are do you?

Someone who loves liberty would want as many of their relatives who aren't living under conditions of liberty to come to a place of liberty. Just look at your own analysis of what happened to the "injuns." The "liberty" loving Europeans wrote back home and said "This place is great! Get on over here as fast as you can!" So a party full of people saying "We don't want your relatives here and we'd rather you go home too." is a natural enemy. You're making your own enemies.

And LOL @ "they love money and power." Ummmm...that's the definition of capitalism. So basically you're saying that they can't be good republicans because they love being rich? Have you totally lost your mind?

[jmdrake]

Another 'we're losing votes to the left because we're not smiling enough' thread.

We are losing votes to the left because we decided to kiss the butts of the people on the right who hate us (people who really love liberty) anyway.

[jmdrake]

Are these your channels? I've seen one of your videos before and wanted to say good work.

This isn't my video but thanks. I did a video back when Rand was running for senate the first time. But that's the only political video I have on YouTube at the moment.

[nobody's_hero]

We are losing votes to the left because we decided to kiss the butts of the people on the right who hate us (people who really love liberty) anyway.

That makes no sense. Because they're angry at people who 'really love liberty' they're voting democrat? Just WTF is the angle? What's that supposed to accomplish? Folks who "really love liberty" maybe comprise 0.5% of the voting population but if we apparently have the power to drive a whole race of people to vote a certain way, how the hell did we lose the 2008 election? LOL.

I'll try to smile more, but if we have to give away free sh*t to compete for votes, these folks can go to hell.

[Swordsmyth]

:rolleyes: You really don't understand how self contradictory you are do you?

Someone who loves liberty would want as many of their relatives who aren't living under conditions of liberty to come to a place of liberty. Just look at your own analysis of what happened to the "injuns." The "liberty" loving Europeans wrote back home and said "This place is great! Get on over here as fast as you can!" So a party full of people saying "We don't want your relatives here and we'd rather you go home too." is a natural enemy. You're making your own enemies.
The Demoncrats are busy destroying liberty, if Asians loved liberty and just wanted to bring all their relatives now they would vote for open borders libertarians, in any case we can't afford to accommodate their desire to bring all their relatives any more than the Injuns could.


And LOL @ "they love money and power." Ummmm...that's the definition of capitalism. So basically you're saying that they can't be good republicans because they love being rich? Have you totally lost your mind?
Everybody loves money and power but not everybody puts them ahead of liberty.

Nobody who loved liberty would vote for the Demoncrats ever.

[Krugminator2]

So only let them in if they promise to vote Republican or Libertarian. (keeping in mind that they can't actually vote until they become citizens).

California elected Ronald Reagan twice. Would Ronald Reagan get elected there today? I'll assume you will say no. So what changed in the interim. Why is California now a mess for most of its population?

[timosman]

California elected Ronald Reagan twice. Would Ronald Reagan get elected there today? I'll assume you will say no. So what changed in the interim. Why is California now a mess for most of its population?

Saudi Money Fuels the Tech Industry. It’s Time to Ask Why. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?516596-Saudi-Money-Fuels-the-Tech-Industry-It%92s-Time-to-Ask-Why

[Zippyjuan]

California elected Ronald Reagan twice. Would Ronald Reagan get elected there today? I'll assume you will say no. So what changed in the interim. Why is California now a mess for most of its population?

He might. The Republican Party has moved so far to the right he looks like a liberal today by comparison. He did expand social programs like Medicaid and signed the biggest tax increases at the time (both as governor and as President he both raised and cut taxes- as President after the tax cuts started to balloon the deficit they passed new tax increases to try to reduce that).

[timosman]

He might. The Republican Party has moved so far to the right he looks like a liberal today by comparison.

Where did the DNC go? :confused:

[Swordsmyth]

He might. The Republican Party has moved so far to the right he looks like a liberal today by comparison. He did expand social programs like Medicaid and signed the biggest tax increases at the time (both as governor and as President he both raised and cut taxes- as President after the tax cuts started to balloon the deficit they passed new tax increases to try to reduce that).

He still couldn't be elected in the land of nuts and fruits.

[Danke]

I was already here .


You have been here since July 2010, shorty after the Injun Oyate (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?7539-Oyate) was banned...hmm.

[oyarde]

You have been here since July 2010, shorty after the Injun Oyate (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?7539-Oyate) was banned...hmm.

Ya I have been asked about him before but I never meet him . I read here before I joined . Idirtify is the guy who told me about this place . I grew up about three miles down the road from him . He attends my annual bonfire . He and I have always been Ron Paul voters , he is a regtd Libertarian though and I am a regtd Republican . I never left the party because when I was younger I thought I might someday run for office and that would be the only chance I would have at winning . He even had a party tent up once at the county fair to enroll people .