Video: Why We (as Asians) Hate The Progressive Left

[jmdrake]

I am posting this as a two part series in response to much of the nativist rhetoric here lately. The theory some have is that people coming from socialist hellholes want to make America a socialist hellhole. But the people from the actual socialist hellholes (Cuba, China and now Venezuela) actually want nothing to do with socialism. That is why Florida typically goes republican and Marco Rubio is a Republican senator of Cuba ancestry. That's why the Trump administration is welcoming immigrants from socialist Venezuela while wanting to block immigrants from right leaning El Salvador. El Salvador is far more right leaning than Venezuela or even many Western European countries. (Hmmmm....are the nativists wanting to ban Canadians and Norwegians?)

Anyway, here's the video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfjeNeRoXt8

Part two delves into why Asians are shifting from Republican to Democrat.

[timosman]

www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?510996-Baizuo-The-curious-rise-of-the-%91white-left%92-as-a-Chinese-internet-insult


A frame from the final seconds of the video:

https://vgy.me/x3dHmI.png

[Swordsmyth]

I am posting this as a two part series in response to much of the nativist rhetoric here lately. The theory some have is that people coming from socialist hellholes want to make America a socialist hellhole. But the people from the actual socialist hellholes (Cuba, China and now Venezuela) actually want nothing to do with socialism. That is why Florida typically goes republican and Marco Rubio is a Republican senator of Cuba ancestry. That's why the Trump administration is welcoming immigrants from socialist Venezuela while wanting to block immigrants from right leaning El Salvador. El Salvador is far more right leaning than Venezuela or even many Western European countries. (Hmmmm....are the nativists wanting to ban Canadians and Norwegians?)

Anyway, here's the video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfjeNeRoXt8

Part two delves into why Asians are shifting from Republican to Democrat.

Rubio? LOL

Yes we should severely limit Canadians and Norwegians too.

Anyone willing to shift to the Demoncrats in their current state doesn't really love liberty and is a detriment to it, if they are shifting to the Demoncrats because they want to bring in their relatives faster than they can be assimilated then that is one way they are a detriment to us.

[Swordsmyth]

www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?510996-Baizuo-The-curious-rise-of-the-%91white-left%92-as-a-Chinese-internet-insult (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?510996-Baizuo-The-curious-rise-of-the-%91white-left%92-as-a-Chinese-internet-insult)


A frame from the final seconds of the video:

https://vgy.me/x3dHmI.png

Shifting to the Demoncrats is pushing us off the cliff not talking us off of it.

[timosman]

Shifting to the Demoncrats is pushing us off the cliff not talking us off of it.

And the Asians don't have their own agendas...

Getting on the SJW bandwagon is an advantage at work - www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?525999-Apple-Google-Twitter-Facebook-Sued-for-Leftist-Bias-and-Conservative-Censorship The Asians are pretty quick at figuring which way the wind blows. The conservatives seem like sore losers for now. Sorry guys, get your shit together and then maybe we will think about joining. :cool:

Nothing attracts like success and the conservatives have not been very successful as of late.

[Swordsmyth]

And the Asians don't have their own agendas...

Getting on the SJW bandwagon is an advantage at work - www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?525999-Apple-Google-Twitter-Facebook-Sued-for-Leftist-Bias-and-Conservative-Censorship (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?525999-Apple-Google-Twitter-Facebook-Sued-for-Leftist-Bias-and-Conservative-Censorship) The Asians are pretty quick at figuring which way the wind blows. The conservatives seem like sore losers for now. Sorry guys, get your $#@! together and then maybe we will think about joining. :cool:

Nothing attracts like success and the conservatives have not been very successful as of late.
The Asians are interested in two things:
1 Power, they will side with whoever they think will give them the most.
2 Flooding us with their relatives faster than we can assimilate them.

[timosman]

The Asians are interested in two things:
1 Power, they will side with whoever they think will give them the most.
2 Flooding us with their relatives faster than we can assimilate them.

Just look at CEOs of Microsoft and Google. :cool:

[Krugminator2]

I am posting this as a two part series in response to much of the nativist rhetoric here lately. The theory some have is that people coming from socialist hellholes want to make America a socialist hellhole. But the people from the actual socialist hellholes (Cuba, China and now Venezuela) actually want nothing to do with socialism. That is why Florida typically goes republican and Marco Rubio is a Republican senator of Cuba ancestry. That's why the Trump administration is welcoming immigrants from socialist Venezuela while wanting to block immigrants from right leaning El Salvador. El Salvador is far more right leaning than Venezuela or even many Western European countries. (Hmmmm....are the nativists wanting to ban Canadians and Norwegians?)



I am for increased immigration from Mexico. That said, the idea that people leaving socialist hells will vote for more government is a pretty logical one backed by the data. That's why banning immigrants from voting unless they buy citizenship is what makes sense.

Your argument is insanely easy to refute. People leaving Communist countries after either being tortured or seeing torture vote for the party most hostile to Communism. What about people who live in Democratic Socialist countries who voted for those government who are leaving just earn a higher wage? Do they vote Republican. And El Savador? https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking Heritage only ranks it ahead of Greece and Italy. There sure as hell aren't any Western European countries that El Savador is freer than. What about refugees from other parts of the world that don't have governments that are the farthest possible to the left? Do people from Syria like small government?

[timosman]

I am for increased immigration from Mexico. The idea that people leaving socialist hells will vote for more government is a pretty logical one backed by the data. That's why banning immigrants from voting unless they buy citizenship is what makes sense.

Your argument is insanely easy to refute. People leaving Communist countries after either being tortured or seeing torture vote for the party most hostile to Communism. What about people who live in Democratic Socialist countries who voted for those government who are leaving just earn a higher wage? Do they vote Republican. And El Savador? https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking Heritage only ranks it ahead of Greece and Italy. There sure as hell aren't any Western European countries that El Savador is freer than.

They want to see socialism implemented "properly". They don't know anything else. :D

[jmdrake]

www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?510996-Baizuo-The-curious-rise-of-the-%91white-left%92-as-a-Chinese-internet-insult


A frame from the final seconds of the video:

https://vgy.me/x3dHmI.png

Yep!

[jmdrake]

Rubio? LOL

Yes we should severely limit Canadians and Norwegians too.

Anyone willing to shift to the Demoncrats in their current state doesn't really love liberty and is a detriment to it, if they are shifting to the Demoncrats because they want to bring in their relatives faster than they can be assimilated then that is one way they are a detriment to us.

You said yourself in the other thread that Republicans are really better than Democrats. You keep contradicting yourself. The first loyalty for Asians (and really for any civilized group) is to family. If you take two parties that aren't really that different (according to you) and one says "Sure you can bring your family over" and the other says "Sorry. We can't let you bring your family over because you are not becoming lazy like most Americans fast enough." then who are you most likely to vote for?

[jmdrake]

I am for increased immigration from Mexico. That said, the idea that people leaving socialist hells will vote for more government is a pretty logical one backed by the data. That's why banning immigrants from voting unless they buy citizenship is what makes sense.

Your argument is insanely easy to refute. People leaving Communist countries after either being tortured or seeing torture vote for the party most hostile to Communism. What about people who live in Democratic Socialist countries who voted for those government who are leaving just earn a higher wage? Do they vote Republican. And El Savador? https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking Heritage only ranks it ahead of Greece and Italy. There sure as hell aren't any Western European countries that El Savador is freer than. What about refugees from other parts of the world that don't have governments that are the farthest possible to the left? Do people from Syria like small government?

Being a right wing authoritarian country doesn't make you 'freer." :rolleyes: But by your own index Hong Kong an Singapore are at the top of the list. Those are Asian countries. So...by your reasoning, we should let in more Asians.

Edit: More from El Salvador digging into your own link

After its 12-year civil war ended in 1992, El Salvador enjoyed strong economic growth and poverty reduction with aggressive free-market policies under a succession of center-right National Republican Alliance presidents. Since 2009, governments of the leftist Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front (FMLN) have increased the state’s role in the economy. President Salvador Sánchez Cerén will leave office in 2019 with a record of anemic economic growth, weak government effectiveness, a surge in violence and drug trafficking, and rising gang-related homicides. The economy relies on exports of coffee, sugar, textiles and apparel, gold, ethanol, chemicals, and electricity and the assembly of intermediate goods. Remittances account for nearly one-fifth of GDP, and one-third of the population lives below the poverty line.

The latest is that the center-right National Republican Alliance is taking back over the government. The National Republican Alliance currently has the most seats in the legislature. (41.72%). They just got back in power. Your analysis of El Salvador is like analyzing the Trump administration as being left wing because there is still legislation left over from the Obama administration.

[Krugminator2]

Being a right wing authoritarian country doesn't make you 'freer." :rolleyes: But by your own index Hong Kong an Singapore are at the top of the list. Those are Asian countries. So...by your reasoning, we should let in more Asians.



I am for increased immigration from everywhere including places like Mexico (which I clearly said). The only exception is the Middle East. Islam and freedom are fundamentally incompatible.

[Brian4Liberty]

Why We (as Asians) Hate The Progressive Left

“We (as Asians)”? The video was one guy’s opinion followed by two guy’s having a discussion. Individuals. They grew up in North America, children of immigrants from Hong Kong or Taiwan. They are Americans now. In the past, much immigration came from those western aligned, non communist areas. More recently though, there has been massive immigration from mainland communist China, a very different group of people. These are the people that adapted to totalitarian communism, not the people who fled it.

And if you listen to the video, they are lamenting the fact that so many Asians have become progressive SJWs.

Every group has it’s minority of libertarians. The first guy (libertarian) in the video is smart. The next group the US communists will come after will be wealthy Asians. Asian privilege, it’s coming.

[Brian4Liberty]

Rubio? LOL

Quite the example. A leftist RINO neocon is not what we need more of.

[TheCount]

The Asians are

Don't let the fact that you're summarizing the desires of five billion people in two bullet points slow you down in your quest to collectivize everyone in the laziest and most ignorant way possible.

[timosman]

Let's throw a bone to the conservatives and see if they go for it. Us sniffing progressive's behind for the last few decades should not be an issue, right? :confused:

[Swordsmyth]

You said yourself in the other thread that Republicans are really better than Democrats. You keep contradicting yourself. The first loyalty for Asians (and really for any civilized group) is to family. If you take two parties that aren't really that different (according to you) and one says "Sure you can bring your family over" and the other says "Sorry. We can't let you bring your family over because you are not becoming lazy like most Americans fast enough." then who are you most likely to vote for?
The first loyalty should be to liberty, what is the point of bringing your relatives over to a place you helped destroy liberty as bad or worse than where they were?
More importantly you have to answer why we should let more people come here who put tribalism ahead of liberty.

[Swordsmyth]

Being a right wing authoritarian country doesn't make you 'freer." :rolleyes: But by your own index Hong Kong an Singapore are at the top of the list. Those are Asian countries. So...by your reasoning, we should let in more Asians.

Edit: More from El Salvador digging into your own link

After its 12-year civil war ended in 1992, El Salvador enjoyed strong economic growth and poverty reduction with aggressive free-market policies under a succession of center-right National Republican Alliance presidents. Since 2009, governments of the leftist Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front (FMLN) have increased the state’s role in the economy. President Salvador Sánchez Cerén will leave office in 2019 with a record of anemic economic growth, weak government effectiveness, a surge in violence and drug trafficking, and rising gang-related homicides. The economy relies on exports of coffee, sugar, textiles and apparel, gold, ethanol, chemicals, and electricity and the assembly of intermediate goods. Remittances account for nearly one-fifth of GDP, and one-third of the population lives below the poverty line.

The latest is that the center-right National Republican Alliance is taking back over the government. The National Republican Alliance currently has the most seats in the legislature. (41.72%). They just got back in power. Your analysis of El Salvador is like analyzing the Trump administration as being left wing because there is still legislation left over from the Obama administration.

Are those places more or less liberty oriented than the US?
Do they have anything even close to the Bill of Rights?

[Swordsmyth]

Don't let the fact that you're summarizing the desires of five billion people in two bullet points slow you down in your quest to collectivize everyone in the laziest and most ignorant way possible.
Immigration is a group question therefore the average behavior of the group in question is what matters, if you can develop a mind reading device that shows how liberty oriented individual immigrants are then we can not discuss groups.

[jmdrake]

Are those places more or less liberty oriented than the US?
Do they have anything even close to the Bill of Rights?

Singapore, according to the Heritage Foundation, is more liberty oriented than the U.S. And the U.S. no longer follows our bill of rights. Fear mongering post 9/11 took care of part of that. Fear mongering over immigration took care of the rest. That is why there is a constitution free zone in the border area around the U.S. Does that not bother you?

[jmdrake]

The first loyalty should be to liberty, what is the point of bringing your relatives over to a place you helped destroy liberty as bad or worse than where they were?

You already said there's really no difference between Republicans and Democrats. And frankly you are anti liberty so why do you care if anyone else is pro liberty?


More importantly you have to answer why we should let more people come here who put tribalism ahead of liberty.

The foundation of any great society is the family. America was once pro family. Having more Americans who are pro family is pro liberty. Since you are anti liberty I guess that explains why you are anti family and anti capitalism.

[Swordsmyth]

Singapore, according to the Heritage Foundation, is more liberty oriented than the U.S. And the U.S. no longer follows our bill of rights. Fear mongering post 9/11 took care of part of that. Fear mongering over immigration took care of the rest. That is why there is a constitution free zone in the border area around the U.S. Does that not bother you?
Heritage is biased and we will never get our rights back by importing people who have never even heard of them.

[Swordsmyth]

You already said there's really no difference between Republicans and Democrats. And frankly you are anti liberty so why do you care if anyone else is pro liberty?
I didn't say that and I am more pro-liberty than you are, I care about getting back what we have lost and preserving what we still have, we can't do either of those by flood ourselves with people who never had them.




The foundation of any great society is the family. America was once pro family. Having more Americans who are pro family is pro liberty. Since you are anti liberty I guess that explains why you are anti family and anti capitalism.
Pro-family is important but it is not enough, many tyrannical societies value the family.