Ron Paul Admits World Government Conspiracy

[Oliver]

This video is pretty annoying - especially since some parts of
the audio are missing. What do you guys think did Ron mean?

Or even better - does someone have the full audio of the
Interview?

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/260903ronpaul.html

[Dave Pedersen]

Heh.. So you are annoyed. Typical reaction.

We in this society are no longer allowed to feel anger. Only being annoyed or irritated or as a last resort getting upset is marginally permitted. The schools have trained so many so very very well.

I'm sorry you are annoyed by the truth. I wish you were angered and incensed.. enraged and furious. Being annoyed just won't be sufficient to stand in harm's way. Be annoyed all the way to the laboratory. If you survive your treatment you will no longer be annoyed.. about anything ever again.

If you have never been allowed to say you are angry can you really feel anger?

Good luck.

[Ilhaguru]

He needs to be careful with his words. He explained his position on the youtube debates, but still didn't do a great job because he went out on an ideological tangent instead of setting the record straight.

He still needs and MUST do that. . .

[Ilhaguru]

Heh.. So you are annoyed. Typical reaction.

Great, another "truther". . .

:rolleyes:

[Oliver]

Heh.. So you are annoyed. Typical reaction.

We in this society are no longer allowed to feel anger. Only being annoyed or irritated or as a last resort getting upset is marginally permitted. The schools have trained so many so very very well.

I'm sorry you are annoyed by the truth. I wish you were angered and incensed.. enraged and furious. Being annoyed just won't be sufficient to stand in harm's way. Be annoyed all the way to the laboratory. If you survive your treatment you will no longer be annoyed.. about anything ever again.

If you have never been allowed to say you are angry can you really feel anger?

Good luck.


I live in Germany - so I don't live in a US-New-World-Order-Universe.
I didn't even find anything confirming a "New World Order US Domination
Conspiracy" or something like that.

So yes, it pisses me off to hear those Anti-Paul Statements.
After all - it was Bush-Senior who brought it up. Why should
Paul ride this horse as well? - Or what does he know that I
don't see?

[murrayrothbard]

What's so strange about a drive towards world government? People have always wanted to rule the world. I don't understand.

[Dave Pedersen]

Well then what are you annoyed about? Ron Paul has to be careful what he says on the campaign trail because too many refuse to know the truth.

Yes I'm a "truther". So is Ron Paul. He just can't say so for the sake of the Republic. He has to keep the door open long enough for people to arrive on their own. If he says the truth he will not be able to keep the door open.

What then is there to be annoyed about? He is accommodating your unwillingness well enough now isn't he? I should think more than well enough but some are so hard to please.

[Oliver]

What's so strange about a drive towards world government? People have always wanted to rule the world. I don't understand.


Yes, people did rule the world in the past. But Bush Grandpa saying
"New World Order" doesn't mean that he's talking about a world
government. It could mean anything.

Just because Conspiracy Theorists think it means World Domination,
doesn't make it true. It's nothing but speculation.

So what does Paul know about that working in congress? People
claim that Paul is a conspiracy nut - and I'm trying to oppose them,
but videos like the one I posted in the initial thread, are giving me
a hard time to defend Ron without knowing all the Arguments he
has...

[max]

what is it going to take to convince you truth deniers that CONSPIRATORIAL FORCES are indeed real and are determined to stop RP at all costs???

Or do you all just believe that the outrageous media blackout and debate ambushes of RP are simply the result of coincidence???

[max]

'We shall have world government either by conquest or by consent."

Those words were spoken before a Congressional committee in 1954 by James warburg, the son of Paul Warburg. Warburg was not just some idealist egghead on a university faculty. He was the founding father of the Federal Reserve System.

[realitywiz]

'We shall have world government either by conquest or by consent."

Those words were spoken before a Congressional committee in 1954 by James warburg, the son of Paul Warburg. Warburg was not just some idealist egghead on a university faculty. He was the founding father of the Federal Reserve System.

I agree with you.


There are so many quotes from prominent people about a world government conspiracy -- but some people will never be convinced. They are living in a fantasy world where everything is just a coincidence.

Conspiratorial forces driving world events makes much more sense than everything just being some bizarre coincidence. It's just common sense.



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[Green Mountain Boy]

Yes, people did rule the world in the past. But Bush Grandpa saying
"New World Order" doesn't mean that he's talking about a world
government. It could mean anything.

Just because Conspiracy Theorists think it means World Domination,
doesn't make it true. It's nothing but speculation.

So what does Paul know about that working in congress? People
claim that Paul is a conspiracy nut - and I'm trying to oppose them,
but videos like the one I posted in the initial thread, are giving me
a hard time to defend Ron without knowing all the Arguments he
has...

Hey Oliver, the term "New World Order" is used quite often in reference to the march towards global governance.

For example, see this book by Anne-Marie Slaughter, director of the Council on Foreign Relations.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XghffEZML._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/New-World-Order-Anne-Marie-Slaughter/dp/0691123977/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197510565&sr=8-1

Breaking new ground in international relations theory, Slaughter urges readers to lose their "conceptual blind spot" and see how the world really works. Scholars, pundits and policymakers, she writes, have traditionally seen nations as "unitary"—that is, as single entities that "articulate and pursue a single national interest." In fact, she says, we would do better to focus on government networks, both horizontal and vertical. Horizontal networks link counterpart national officials across borders, such as police investigators or financial regulators. Vertical networks are relationships between a nation's officials and some supranational organization to which they have ceded authority, such as the European Court of Justice. Networks, she says, are the solution to the "globalization paradox": The world needs global governance to combat problems that jump borders, like crime and environmental degradation, and yet most people fear—rightly, Slaughter implies—the idea of a centralized, all-powerful world government. The book both describes the here and now and plots a course for the future: Strengthening existing networks and developing new ones "could create a genuine global rule of law without centralized global institutions." The author, who is the dean of the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton as well as president of the American Society of International Law, is steeped in these issues and offers genuinely original thinking. Written in dense academic language, this book will not pick up many casual readers, but it will likely attain instant textbook status and generate much discussion about foreign policy and whether, as Slaughter believes, the U.S. should welcome such networks in a globalized world.

[MN Patriot]

Hey Oliver, the term "New World Order" is used quite often in reference to the march towards global governance.

For example, see this book by Anne-Marie Slaughter, director of the Council on Foreign Relations.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XghffEZML._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/New-World-Order-Anne-Marie-Slaughter/dp/0691123977/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197510565&sr=8-1

Breaking new ground in international relations theory, Slaughter urges readers to lose their "conceptual blind spot" and see how the world really works. Scholars, pundits and policymakers, she writes, have traditionally seen nations as "unitary"—that is, as single entities that "articulate and pursue a single national interest." In fact, she says, we would do better to focus on government networks, both horizontal and vertical. Horizontal networks link counterpart national officials across borders, such as police investigators or financial regulators. Vertical networks are relationships between a nation's officials and some supranational organization to which they have ceded authority, such as the European Court of Justice. Networks, she says, are the solution to the "globalization paradox": The world needs global governance to combat problems that jump borders, like crime and environmental degradation, and yet most people fear—rightly, Slaughter implies—the idea of a centralized, all-powerful world government. The book both describes the here and now and plots a course for the future: Strengthening existing networks and developing new ones "could create a genuine global rule of law without centralized global institutions." The author, who is the dean of the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton as well as president of the American Society of International Law, is steeped in these issues and offers genuinely original thinking. Written in dense academic language, this book will not pick up many casual readers, but it will likely attain instant textbook status and generate much discussion about foreign policy and whether, as Slaughter believes, the U.S. should welcome such networks in a globalized world.

Boy, I don't know how many times people have called me a crazy paranoid nut when I tried explaining the New World Order.

I would support a world government, if it was built on the principles of individual freedom, free markets, limited government regulation. But we all know the world is probably 90% socialist, and many countries would love to get even with the USA by taxing us until we looked like Eastern Europe.

[Catatonic]

The CFR's stated goal is to end american sovereignty and bring about world government...its not really a conspiracy. Its right in your face, but its not on Fox News so most people don't know about it. Nothing is really true until Hannity or Olbermann say it is true.

How many candidates are CFR members? Why is our military being used and abused over seas while 10% of Mexico's population is living here? Why is there a monetary system in place with the sole and inevitable function of destroying our currency?

Things that makes you go hmmmm

Don't think about it too much though, you might turn into a 'truther'.

[realitywiz]

Boy, I don't know how many times people have called me a crazy paranoid nut when I tried explaining the New World Order.

I would support a world government, if it was built on the principles of individual freedom, free markets, limited government regulation. But we all know the world is probably 90% socialist, and many countries would love to get even with the USA by taxing us until we looked like Eastern Europe.


I'd still be skeptical of world government, even if it was based on individual freedom and the rest. Because what if that government becomes corrupt? Then we'd have nowhere to go in extreme circumstances.

My vision is many sovereign constitutional republics around the world. :)

[Green Mountain Boy]

its not really a conspiracy. Its right in your face...

Some even called it the "Open Conspiracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Conspiracy)"

[Joe3113]

what is it going to take to convince you truth deniers that CONSPIRATORIAL FORCES are indeed real and are determined to stop RP at all costs???

Or do you all just believe that the outrageous media blackout and debate ambushes of RP are simply the result of coincidence???

It takes a certain skill to read between the lines and connect the dots to see the overall picture. I try not to be angered by people's ignorance because I know it's not easy to believe when you can't see it. However, I would think those of you who are here partly because you admire Ron's invariable honesty would at least look at what he has had to say on these issues and research it further. Ron Paul knows what is going on and I think if something amazing happens and we win NH and place 2nd in Iowa, and suddenly the message spreads and he becomes the frontrunner, that he is in real physical danger.

[forsmant]

Colonel Edward House. http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext04/8phlp10.txt
Rockefeller s
Rothschild s
H. G. Wells wrote a book called New World Order http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/new_world_order_hgwells_pt2.htm

[FreeMan]

This video is pretty annoying - especially since some parts of
the audio are missing. What do you guys think did Ron mean?

Or even better - does someone have the full audio of the
Interview?

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/260903ronpaul.html

That video is edited to change what Dr. Paul says, this version is not cut http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGk719-iD0U

[forsmant]

The CFR is a globilization think tank. Members have written many books on Currency blocks like the Euro and future Amero. they use there massive influeance in an attempt to realize their ideas.

Some members include
Huckelberry
Chuck Hagel
Rockefeller
all kinds of media people
Gulianni
all the neocons
Clintons
Edwards
Barack

I believe ideology is not a prerequisite to becoming a member. Thats freedom, isn't it?

[ItsTime]

The New World Order is not a theory it is a fact

CFR.org

I am NOT a truther, or a 9/11 was an inside job person. I am a skeptic at heart. But when things are in writing its hard to ignore.

[therealjjj77]

This video is pretty annoying - especially since some parts of
the audio are missing. What do you guys think did Ron mean?

Or even better - does someone have the full audio of the
Interview?

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/260903ronpaul.html

I saw the whole video somewhere and this guy took a lot out of it. I can take out whatever I want of what people say to make it say whatever I want.

[xao]

Ron told the truth. Nothing new. :D

[greendiseaser]

Ron told the truth. Nothing new. :D

Not NEW to be SURE.

"They (who) seek to establish systems of government based on the regimentation of all human beings by a handful of individual rulers call this a new order. It is not new and it is not order." (http://www.nps.gov/fdrm/memorial/inscript.htm) Address to the Annual Dinner for White House Correspondents' Association, Washington, D.C., March 15, 1941. [15 on list in link, incription located at the Roosevelt Memorial (http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/Roosevelt_Monument.jpg) in DC]

Here is a whole list of other quotes from names that should be worth substantial weight in the discussion of "true theory?"
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David Rockefeller (Baden Baden, June 1991): “We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years.”

“It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”

James Paul Warburg [Mastermind of the Federal Reserve!](February 17, 1950, before the United States Senate): “We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.”

George W. Mallone (U.S. Senator - Nevada, speaking before Congress in 1957): “I believe that if the people of this nation fully understood what Congress has done to them over the last 49 years, they would move on Washington; they would not wait for an election.... It adds up to a preconceived plan to destroy the economic and social independence of the United States!”

Winston Churchill (Prime Minister of England, 1922): “From the days of Sparticus Wisehaupt, Karl Marx, Trotski, Belacoon, Rosa Luxenburg, and Ema Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th Century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.”

Justice Felix Frankfurter (U.S. Supreme Court Justice): “The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes.”

John F. Hylan (Mayor of New York 1918 - 1925): “The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities states and nation.”

Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933): “The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson.”

[rpfreedom08]

Not NEW to be SURE.

"They (who) seek to establish systems of government based on the regimentation of all human beings by a handful of individual rulers call this a new order. It is not new and it is not order." (http://www.nps.gov/fdrm/memorial/inscript.htm) Address to the Annual Dinner for White House Correspondents' Association, Washington, D.C., March 15, 1941. [15 on list in link, incription located at the Roosevelt Memorial (http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/Roosevelt_Monument.jpg) in DC]

Here is a whole list of other quotes from names that should be worth substantial weight in the discussion of "true theory?"
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David Rockefeller (Baden Baden, June 1991): “We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years.”

“It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”

James Paul Warburg [Mastermind of the Federal Reserve!](February 17, 1950, before the United States Senate): “We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.”

George W. Mallone (U.S. Senator - Nevada, speaking before Congress in 1957): “I believe that if the people of this nation fully understood what Congress has done to them over the last 49 years, they would move on Washington; they would not wait for an election.... It adds up to a preconceived plan to destroy the economic and social independence of the United States!”

Winston Churchill (Prime Minister of England, 1922): “From the days of Sparticus Wisehaupt, Karl Marx, Trotski, Belacoon, Rosa Luxenburg, and Ema Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th Century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.”

Justice Felix Frankfurter (U.S. Supreme Court Justice): “The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes.”

John F. Hylan (Mayor of New York 1918 - 1925): “The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities states and nation.”

Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933): “The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson.”

interesting, so this goes back even before the federal reserve? Does anyone have any more information on how and when this "giant octopus sprawled it's slimy legs" over the U.S. Government? We weren't free for long where we?

ps. Any good books on the history of this all the way to today?

[liberty_rp08]

This reminds me of CNN's post-YouTube debate coverage.

CNN's legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin: "The North American Union is a figment of Ron Paul's imagination."

I guess he doesn't watch his own network?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA

[Captain Shays]

Yes, people did rule the world in the past. But Bush Grandpa saying
"New World Order" doesn't mean that he's talking about a world
government. It could mean anything.

Just because Conspiracy Theorists think it means World Domination,
doesn't make it true. It's nothing but speculation.

So what does Paul know about that working in congress? People
claim that Paul is a conspiracy nut - and I'm trying to oppose them,
but videos like the one I posted in the initial thread, are giving me
a hard time to defend Ron without knowing all the Arguments he
has...


The New World Order IS a plan to form a one world governemnt and every time a politician uses it that is what they mean. But they don't always use the term NWO to make their point.
Some examples for you.

"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."
-- Henry Kissinger speaking at Evian, France, May 21, 1992 Bilderburgers meeting. Unbeknownst to Kissinger, his speech was taped by a Swiss delegate to the meeting.
The high office of President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom, and before I leave office I must inform the citizen of his plight."
--John F. Kennedy, at Columbia University, 10 days before his assassination.


"It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any 'conspiracy theory of history;' for a search for 'conspiracies' means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds."
--Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State

"The secret to success is to own nothing, but control everything."
--Nelson Rockefeller

"I want to own nothing and control everything"
--J D Rockefeller I

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."
--Larry P. McDonald, US Congressman, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

"The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties."
-John F. Hylan, 1922, then mayor of New York City

"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."
--Woodrow Wilson, from his book The New Freedom (1913)

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world - no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
--President Woodrow Wilson (The president whose administration passed the Federal Reserve Act)

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and the corporations which grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes."
--Felix Frankfurter, Supreme Court Justice

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."
--Benjamin Disraeli, first Prime Minister of England, in a novel he published in 1844 called Coningsby, the New Generation

"The Federal Reserve Banks are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen. There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this Nation is run by the International Bankers."
--Congressman Louis T. McFadden (Rep. Pa)


"We have, in this country, one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board. This evil institution has impoverished the people of the United States and has practically bankrupted our government. It has done this through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it".
-- Congressman Louis T. McFadden in 1932 (Rep. Pa)

"I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire, ... The man that controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire. And I control the money supply."
--Baron Nathan Mayer de Rothschild (1777-1836)

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
David Rockefeller Baden-Baden, Germany 1991

"Rarely have Americans lived through so much change, in so many ways, in so short a time. Quietly, but with gathering force, the ground has shifted beneath our feet as we have moved into an Information Age, a global economy, a truly new world."
President William Clinton State of the Union Address 1998

"We must all be profoundly grateful for the magnificent achievements of our forbearers in this century. Yet perhaps in the daily press of events, in the clash of controversy, we don't see our own time for what it truly is – a new dawn for America."
President William Clinton State of the Union Address 1999

"We are not going to achieve a New World Order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money." - Arthur Schlesinger Jr., 'The CFR Journal Foreign Affairs', August 1975.

"A world government can intervene militarily in the internal affairs of any nation when it disapproves of their activities." - Kofi Annan, U.N. Secretary General
"In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, the steel, shipbuilding, and powder interest, and their subsidiary organizations, got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press....They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers.

"An agreement was reached; the policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for by the month; an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and other things of national and international nature considered vital to the interests of the purchasers."
U.S. Congressman Oscar Callaway, 1917

"An agreement was reached; the policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for
long-held promise of a New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind."
George Herbert Walker Bush

"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."
Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.

"We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent."
Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950

"For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the United States. But, he didn't. Most of his thoughts, his political ammunition, as it were, were carefully manufactured for him in advanced by the Council on Foreign Relations-One World Money group. Brilliantly, with great gusto, like a fine piece of artillery, he exploded that prepared "ammunition" in the middle of an unsuspecting target, the American people, and thus paid off and returned his internationalist political support.

"The UN is but a long-range, international banking apparatus clearly set up for financial and economic profit by a small group of powerful One-World revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power.

"The depression was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market....The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank."
Curtis Dall, FDR's son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson."
A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, November 21st, l933

"Fifty men have run America, and that's a high figure."
Joseph Kennedy, father of JFK, in the July 26th, l936 issue of The New York Times.

"Today the path of total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people. Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government - a bureaucratic elite."
Senator William Jenner, 1954

"The case for government by elites is irrefutable"
Senator William Fulbright, Former chairman of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee, stated at a 1963 symposium entitled: The Elite and the Electorate - Is Government by the People Possible?

I have many more quotes which place Ron Paul is pretty good company of those who either believe there are people trying to form a one world government (New World Order) or those who are actually in favor of it.

[Dave Pedersen]

hey ! stop that ! it will make RP look like a kook !

I'd rather people woke up to the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Truth cannot be compartmentalized any more than you can preach the stork and Santa to a 9th grader.

People are not so dumb as to discredit Ron Paul for being supported by sincere people as you would like to believe. Maybe those who want to ridicule and silence "truthers" are in the minority? I believe they are in a shrinking majority because the truth will out and cannot be squelched now that we have the internet.

Never be ashamed of the truth or of those who ask honest questions.

[jmdrake]

Great, another "truther". . .

:rolleyes:

You prefer lies to truth? :rolleyes:

Regards,

John M. Drake

[jmdrake]

I live in Germany - so I don't live in a US-New-World-Order-Universe.
I didn't even find anything confirming a "New World Order US Domination
Conspiracy" or something like that.

So yes, it pisses me off to hear those Anti-Paul Statements.
After all - it was Bush-Senior who brought it up. Why should
Paul ride this horse as well? - Or what does he know that I
don't see?

You live in Germany? Are you aware of the fact that Bush's great grandfather was Adolf Hitler's banker? Are you aware that these same bankers tried to overthrow the United States? This isn't "conspiracy theory". It's documented conspiracy FACT!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml

The term "new world order" is NOT new. It was NOT coined by George H.W. Bush. H.G. Wells wrote an entire BOOK titled The New World Order back in 1940. You can read it online (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/new_world_order_hgwells.htm)or order it at Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/New-World-Order-H-G-Wells/dp/1406722626). Just because YOU haven't heard of something doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[Original_Intent]

Sorry, anyone who doesn't understand about the drive toward a one world government is just uninformed. It is not a theory, the people who are orchestrating it and are in the position to bring it about have openly written about their intentions. Anyone who scoffs at the threat without doing their homework needs to educate themselves before they open their pie hole.

Read "Tragedy and Hope" for starters. Go to CFR. org and browse around a bit. Read the UN Charter, or maybe google "United Nations goals". I am not saying read the writings of a bunch of conspiracy theorists, read the writings of the people that the conspiracy theorists talk about.

[rockwell]

I live in Germany - so I don't live in a US-New-World-Order-Universe.
I didn't even find anything confirming a "New World Order US Domination
Conspiracy" or something like that.

So yes, it pisses me off to hear those Anti-Paul Statements.
After all - it was Bush-Senior who brought it up. Why should
Paul ride this horse as well? - Or what does he know that I
don't see?

They imprison people for what they think and what they say in Germany. They extort money from people to pay to another country even though they are three generations removed from the event and you "don't see it"?

http://www.tagesspiegel.de/zeitung/Die-Dritte-Seite;art705,2194724

[jmdrake]

Yes, people did rule the world in the past. But Bush Grandpa saying
"New World Order" doesn't mean that he's talking about a world
government. It could mean anything.

Just because Conspiracy Theorists think it means World Domination,
doesn't make it true. It's nothing but speculation.

So what does Paul know about that working in congress? People
claim that Paul is a conspiracy nut - and I'm trying to oppose them,
but videos like the one I posted in the initial thread, are giving me
a hard time to defend Ron without knowing all the Arguments he
has...

Gee. I guess next you'll be trying to convince people that Dr. Paul really doesn't want stop illegal immigration. :rolleyes:

Here's the deal. Rather than trying to "remold" Dr. Paul into who YOU want him to be, why don't you investigate what he's talking about with an open mind? You don't do the campaign any service by running around claiming Dr. Paul doesn't believe there is a concerted effort by some groups to try to undermine U.S. sovereignty when that is a major part of his campaign! It's not just about cutting taxes and stopping wars. It's about protected the U.S. from what is a real and present danger. Besides, former Mexican President Vicente Fox has how admitted that there is a plan to undermine U.S. sovereignty and set up a North American equivalent of a "European Union" even to the point of getting rid of the dollar and going with a common currency. Here, read it for yourself.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0710/08/lkl.01.html

KING: E-mail from Mrs. Gonzalez in Elizabeth, New Jersey. "Mr. Fox, I would like to know how you feel about the possibility of having a Latin America united with one currency?"

FOX: Long term, very long term. What we propose together, President Bush and myself, it's ALCA, which is a trade union for all of the Americas. And everything was running fluently until Hugo Chavez came. He decided to isolate himself. He decided to combat the idea and destroy the idea...

KING: It's going to be like the euro dollar, you mean?

FOX: Well, that would be long, long term. I think the processes to go, first step into is trading agreement. And then further on, a new vision, like we are trying to do with NAFTA.


The way to "defend" Ron Paul from the "conspiracy nut" charge IS TO UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THE CONSPIRACY THAT WE ARE REALLY UP AGAINST!

Regards,

John M. Drake

[Dave Pedersen]

Revelation 13: 3,4

[Channing]

In David Rockefeller's book "Memoirs" he admits that he is part of a secret cabal working to destroy the United States and create a new world order.

Here is the direct quote from his book pg. 405:

"... For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
-David Rockefeller

http://saynototyranny.blogspot.com/2007/10/david-rockefellers-book-memoirs-treason.html

[Akus]

This video is pretty annoying - especially since some parts of
the audio are missing. What do you guys think did Ron mean?

Or even better - does someone have the full audio of the
Interview?

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/260903ronpaul.html

What's that saying about satan and the greatest trick about him not existing?....

[Pharoah]

I think the trend towards globalism is difficult to dispute. Look at the European Union... How did such an unpopular notion come to fruition without influential players making it happen?
Characterizing globalism as a "World Government Conspiracy", while technically accurate, smacks of hyperbole which discourages engagement by the less informed.

More generally, I don't see critics discussing the logical extension of there being so many "conspiracy theorists" which is that there are also likely to be "conspiracy actors". Indeed, the quotes posted in this thread support the notion that there are people who not only believe in the theories, but have chosen a side... and not one that you or I would have chosen. In conspiring to bring about events that support their ideology, these actors effectively create a self-fulfilling prophecy - turning what may or may not have been purely a theory into a reality... at least to a degree.

[garyallen59]

Well then what are you annoyed about? Ron Paul has to be careful what he says on the campaign trail because too many refuse to know the truth.

Yes I'm a "truther". So is Ron Paul. He just can't say so for the sake of the Republic. He has to keep the door open long enough for people to arrive on their own. If he says the truth he will not be able to keep the door open.

What then is there to be annoyed about? He is accommodating your unwillingness well enough now isn't he? I should think more than well enough but some are so hard to please.

you sound borderline schizophrenic

[Lucid American]

Paul is not a "truther". He has stated explicitly that what lead to 9/11 was a combination of blowback from our arrogant foreign policy and the bureaocracy of intelligence community.

He acknowledges that the Bush administration then did take advantage of 9/11 to initiate its own unrelated agenda, however.

Paul has staunchly spoken the truth throughout his career -- not sure why he would lie here.

[Fox McCloud]

Ron Paul mentioned the Bilderberg Group on Alex Jones' show, and when Alex mentioned something about so and so being a member, Ron said in his typical fashion "Wwwooww, so that means he's part of the whole one-world government plan too."

There's also the video of him admitting that George H.W. Bush mentioned the New World Order....he's talked about the NAU, he's mentioned that his life is in danger because of his beliefs (and he strongly insinuated that the bankers would probably be the ones to knock him off), and he's made a number of other comments.

Yes he believes in the One World Government "conspiracy"....but it's far far more fact, than theory.

[Dave Pedersen]

Paul is not a "truther". He has stated explicitly that what lead to 9/11 was a combination of blowback from our arrogant foreign policy and the bureaocracy of intelligence community.

He acknowledges that the Bush administration then did take advantage of 9/11 to initiate its own unrelated agenda, however.

Paul has staunchly spoken the truth throughout his career -- not sure why he would lie here.

It is not a lie so much as an omission of a politically impotent inclination to be suspecting of what may be inferred by the evidence. Because there is no good to come of it.

The people must discover what no one yet knows for sure. Who did it and how did they do it? Nobody knows the particulars. All we know is that there are many good questions which have been deliberately ignored. Ron Paul can say what he suspects but why should he? It would only serve to prevent him from being in a position to forward the environment of honest questioning among the people which is so very important. He has to protect his credibility in the face of so many who refuse to ask honest questions or tolerate those who do.

This does not translate into all of us needing to refuse to ask those questions. It is out of political practicality that this issue is not squarely addressed by Dr. Paul. It is and always will be up to us as a nation to demand the truth in the face of ridicule.

I suspect once he is elected he may be more forthright about his suspicions of deliberate malfeasance. He has already agreed a new investigation is warranted.

[jmdrake]

Paul is not a "truther". He has stated explicitly that what lead to 9/11 was a combination of blowback from our arrogant foreign policy and the bureaocracy of intelligence community.

He acknowledges that the Bush administration then did take advantage of 9/11 to initiate its own unrelated agenda, however.

Paul has staunchly spoken the truth throughout his career -- not sure why he would lie here.

Do you realize that you are the FIRST person to mention 9/11 in this thread? There's got to be some equivalent to Godwin's law on this. :rolleyes:

Anyway, it's clear that you don't know what a "truther" is. (Most of us don't use that term but since the media stuck us with it, that's fine.) Being a "truther" is NOT just about 9/11 and it CERTAINLY doesn't mean that you accept one particular theory about 9/11. (For example 9/11 was totally controlled by dubya, Cheney and Marvin Bush who allowed explosives to be planted in the buildings at these exact floors....)

Ron Paul has clearly called the 9/11 commission report a "charade (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul200.html)" and a "cover up of incompetence (http://www.news2wkrn.com/vv/2007/10/04/ron-paul-on-steve-gill/)". In other words he does NOT accept it as written. He has stated that on multiple occasions, and yes even after the infamous debate with Rudy where he cited the commission report itself. Why? Because if you accept the 9/11 commission report at face value our actions post 9/11 still don't make sense! So is he "lying" to on the one hand quote the 9/11 commission report and then on the other hand call it a "cover up"? Of course not! But it wouldn't be smart to go around saying "Well if you believe everything the 9/11 commission report says...." Here's the deal. We don't have the "smoking gun" evidence needed to actually win a conviction. But there is a LOT of "smoke" and where there is smoke there is usually fire. At the very least there was clearly enough prior warning about 9/11 for a reasonably functioning government to have been able to stop it. That's what Paul means by "cover up of incompetence". But if you go further and say "inside job" it raises the obvious question of "inside job orchestrated by who?" But cover up of incompetence raises a lot of questions to. Who exactly was incompetent and why haven't they been held to account? There is something known as "criminal negligence" after all. If we ever start asking such serious questions it will soon become apparent that "incompetence" doesn't answer everything either.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[James R]

This video is pretty annoying - especially since some parts of
the audio are missing. What do you guys think did Ron mean?

Or even better - does someone have the full audio of the
Interview?

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/260903ronpaul.html

The missing audio is probably the same thing he answered in the CNN/YouTube debate. The conspiracy is the UN, SPP, NAFTA highway expansion, etc. That is world government conspiracy fact. Nobody doubts the UN, SPP, or NAFTA highway expansion (except for those who temporarily forget about the NAFTA highway expansion for the express purpose of smearing Paul).

[Oliver]

Yes he believes in the One World Government "conspiracy"....but it's far far more fact, than theory.


That's exactly what I need to oppose those allegations:

Plain Facts.

Not things foreign, non-US-Politicians say nor any
thinktank-documents.

I tried to point out the CFR document, but the File
itself clearly states that:

"THE COUNCIL TAKES NO INSTITUTIONAL POSITION ON POLICY ISSUES
AND HAS NO AFFILIATION WITH THE U.S.GOVERNMENT. ALL STATEMENTS
OF FACT AND EXPRESSIONS OF OPINION CONTAINED IN ITS PUBLICATIONS
ARE THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE AUTHOR OR AUTHORS"

So the CFR-Document is a nice read - but no ultimate
proof of anything besides the Idea of a EU-like NAU
existing IN THEORY. :(

[Green Mountain Boy]

That's exactly what I need to oppose those allegations:

Plain Facts.

Not things foreign, non-US-Politicians say nor any
thinktank-documents.

I tried to point out the CFR document, but the File
itself clearly states that:

"THE COUNCIL TAKES NO INSTITUTIONAL POSITION ON POLICY ISSUES
AND HAS NO AFFILIATION WITH THE U.S.GOVERNMENT. ALL STATEMENTS
OF FACT AND EXPRESSIONS OF OPINION CONTAINED IN ITS PUBLICATIONS
ARE THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE AUTHOR OR AUTHORS"

So the CFR-Document is a nice read - but no ultimate
proof of anything besides the Idea of a EU-like NAU
existing IN THEORY. :(

I'm not sure what you're looking for. :confused:

[jmdrake]

That's exactly what I need to oppose those allegations:

Plain Facts.

Not things foreign, non-US-Politicians say nor any
thinktank-documents.

I tried to point out the CFR document, but the File
itself clearly states that:

"THE COUNCIL TAKES NO INSTITUTIONAL POSITION ON POLICY ISSUES
AND HAS NO AFFILIATION WITH THE U.S.GOVERNMENT. ALL STATEMENTS
OF FACT AND EXPRESSIONS OF OPINION CONTAINED IN ITS PUBLICATIONS
ARE THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE AUTHOR OR AUTHORS"

So the CFR-Document is a nice read - but no ultimate
proof of anything besides the Idea of a EU-like NAU
existing IN THEORY. :(

1) Take the CFR-Document which calls for an NAU and lay it up against the OFFICIAL documents from spp.gov and notice that it's just the same plan with the words "North American Union" excised out.

2) Point out the fact that Dick Cheney, Fred Thompson and other current and former power brokers in Washington are members of the CFR.

3) Point out that Vicente Fox was talking specifically about his meetings when Bush when he admitted the NAU.

Really, this isn't "skepticism" at all that you're dealing with but rank denial of the facts. At some point you may have to "give up" and realize that you're dealing with morons. I'm not saying that to be mean to them. Just being honest. I can imagine these people on a jury. "Yes Mr. X was caught on tape saying he fantasized about killing his wife and yes the hit man has told us that Mr. X paid him to kill her but where's the tape from Mr. X and yes we have the canceled check from Mr. X to the hitman, but the check doesn't say 'payment for killing my wife' so where's the proof?"

Regards,

John M. Drake

[Derek Johnson]

No NWO world government push you say?

LOL

Ignorance is bliss indeed.....

[Mr. Coolidge]

Colonel Edward House. http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext04/8phlp10.txt
Rockefeller s
Rothschild s
H. G. Wells wrote a book called New World Order http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/new_world_order_hgwells_pt2.htm
That's interesting that you mention Colonel House; I've seen several people lately mention him as an originator of the drive for "world government".

I've read a book about presidential authority in the 20th century (Command of Office, good book), and it details how heavily he influenced and was involved with Woodrow Wilson, even though Colonel House was a low-level gov't official in Britain. Since Wilson was responsible for the progressive push in 1913, well...

[Nicketas]

,.,.,

[lucius]

interesting, so this goes back even before the federal reserve? Does anyone have any more information on how and when this "giant octopus sprawled it's slimy legs" over the U.S. Government? We weren't free for long where we?

ps. Any good books on the history of this all the way to today?

Patrick Henry said it best, "I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging the future but by the past."

Fire in the Minds of Men by James Billington
Scott’s Life of Napoleon by Sir Walter Scott
Geneva versus Peace by Saint-Aulaire
The Nameless War by Captain A.H.M Ramsay
The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben by Joseph Borken
From Major Jordan’s Diaries by George Jordan
From Admiral to Cabin Boy by Admiral Sir Barry Domvile
Philip Dru: Administrator by Edward House
The Patton Papers 1885-1940 & 1940-1945 by Blumenson
Treason: The New World Order by Gurudas
The Underground History of American Education by John Gatto: http://www.rit.edu/~cma8660/mirror/www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm
Propaganda by Edward L. Bernays
Ruled by Secrecy by Jim Marrs
Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare Michael Hoffman II
Blood on the Altar by Craig Heimbichner
Wall Street And The Bolshevik Revolution: http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/index.html
Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler: http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/index.html
The Best Enemy Money Can Buy: http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/best_enemy/index.html
Political Ponerology by Andrew M. Lobaczewski

One of the most defining quotes of the 20th Century was made by this man, "In the contemporary arena of political chicanery, reality counts for little and illusion is frequently king, but in the struggle for the survival of Western Civilization, it will be the real world, not illusions or delusions, that will determine which way the future will go...”
-- Dr. Lawrence Patton McDonald, U.S. Congressman

[Dave Pedersen]

Ya gotta learn about the secret societies cloaked in the origins of the distant past religion of the Babylonians to peer into the mist darkly shrouded by nebulous creatures of nefarious intent..

ppsssst. Really you do. Many say the Soviet Union is not really dead. The Babylonian religion is not dead yet either. And if you want to go back farther still..

You may find that Cain was not the son of Adam and neither are his offspring. But then you will not likely desire to go so far back so name your date and start from there.

Evil people have always grasped for fortune. Why? To merely live a life of ease? No. Evil has always coveted power and power is what they will always desire. The power to destroy is why they bother to draw every breath.

[ignoranceisntbliss]

Yes, people did rule the world in the past. But Bush Grandpa saying
"New World Order" doesn't mean that he's talking about a world
government. It could mean anything.

Just because Conspiracy Theorists think it means World Domination,
doesn't make it true. It's nothing but speculation.


750 foreign U.S. military bases + 12 forward deployed supercarriers = Global Empire, by definition. The only states in certain regions to not have U.S. military bases in them being the ones added to the "Axis of Evil" = the U.S. is the Global Hegemonic Empire.

I refer to people who refuse to see this as "American Empire Deniers", which considering we're talking about ourselves I'd say that it's more absurd and delusionary than the infamous Holocaust Deniers.

Fred Thompson support that position:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrsYuAMYr-0
(He's also CFR)

To answer you more directly, go read up on the CFR and their history and some lists of famous statements by their VIP members and you'll find what your looking for. RP talks about a 'philosophy of globalism' and the CFR is a good place to start to learn about said philosophy. Then carefully study Neoliberalism + Neoconservatism and your studies shall be almost complete.

PS: If thye U.S. isn't the current hegemonic empire bent on domination then this would be the first period in known human history that such an empire didn't exist. Somehow I missed the news headlines 'heard round the world' declaring such an event in history. The USSR fell and the USSA keeps marching...

[abruzz0]

A world government would never be a free society. A world government is impractical, and could only be implemented if the population were reduced substantially Well, that would one major aspect.

There is an elitist plot to form a world government, but first they need to wipe out the United States. The CFR and their appointed presidential puppets have done a lovely job of that so far, and they look to continue with either Giuliani or Clinton. Ron Paul is an enormous threat to the New World Order, and that's why it is of dire consequence that we get him elected.

Ron Paul knows there's a New World Order. As one with as much knowledge as Ron Paul, it's ridiculous to just brush off the whole notion of an NWO as a "whacko conspiracy theory" of sorts. The NWO's threat is real, and the foundations have been entrenched all around us.

9/11 woke me up to politics at the relatively young age of 14. Since then, I've continually studied and viewed ducomentary films about the New World Order and how it connects with history as well as the events of today. The whole thing is far too complicated to get out in one post effectively, but the point is that there definitely is a covert plan to turn the world into a prison planet.

It will be total government control and dominance, and "safety" will most like be the guise. I am absolutely opposed to a one world government of any kind, no matter what the intentions of it are.

Ron Paul speaks the truth. He KNOWS the truth. And he knows a lot more than he's willing to say at this point, and he knows a lot more about things that some of his supporters immediatly dismiss as "whacko."

[xao]

This oliver person keeps posting these ridiculous threads to get a rise out of people. First it was his denial about the cfr, even after we showed adequate proof, he just kept ignoring bills that are in congress.

Seriously, this is getting old, oliver.

You say you're in germany? Is it germany or Israel? Can you do us a favor? Stay there.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/

2010 is when they want to have it done by. That's this next presidential term.

[LibertyEagle]

Yes I'm a "truther". So is Ron Paul. He just can't say so for the sake of the Republic. He has to keep the door open long enough for people to arrive on their own. If he says the truth he will not be able to keep the door open.



No, you are either lying or are horribly misinformed. Exactly, how many different times does Dr. Paul have to say he doesn't believe our government attacked our own country on 9-11, for you to get it through your head? Have you not listened to anything he has been talking about, with regard to BLOWBACK? :rolleyes:

Please stop putting words in Dr. Paul's mouth. HE IS NOT A TRUTHER! :mad:

[Oliver]

That video is edited to change what Dr. Paul says, this version is not cut http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGk719-iD0U


Thank you, FreeMan! http://www.ronpaulforums.com/gfx_RedWhiteBlue/icons/icon14.gif

That's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGk719-iD0U) a lot more clearer than the cowardly distorted recut.

[HOLLYWOOD]

I live in Germany - so I don't live in a US-New-World-Order-Universe.
I didn't even find anything confirming a "New World Order US Domination
Conspiracy" or something like that.


RIGHT HERE!

Daddy Bush's New World Order YouTube Video (www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g)

[Oliver]

RIGHT HERE!

Daddy Bush's New World Order YouTube Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g)


Old hat. And not scary to me at all. But feel free to address all
my points (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=52980) to counter my stance that this doesn't bother me to
the slightest degree.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Old hat. And not scary to me at all. But feel free to address all
my points (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=52980) to counter my stance that this doesn't bother me to
the slightest degree.

unlike the average American somebody... I worked the Intelligence/Operations side this US government even when Daddy Bush was pushing his Agenda...

NWO is only the Tip of the ICE BERG of the wranglings going on inside the classified side of the US government.

In my personal opinion... (for security purposes) The NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL is downright EVIL and full of Special Interest.

PS: the 2008 National Intelligence Bill is on the floor now... 2007's classified projects cost the TAX PAYERS: $43 BILLION!

2008's Intelligence budget is MORE, but the final amount has not been set.

Some unclassified portions:

2008 CIA Retirement & Disability: $262,500,000.00
2008 Intelligence Community Management Account of the Director: $715,076,000.00
2008 Reserves of Contingencies for the Office of the Director for NI: $50,000,000.00


If you wish to read some NI budget info: http://intelligence.senate.gov/bill.pdf