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dude58677
08-27-2018, 03:09 PM
The country would get fatigued with three straight Republican terms. John McCain wouldn’t have that much enthusiasm on the Republican side( It was a Bush Republican Party and not the Republican Party we see now). There would be no Donald Trump running as he would have to run against his own party in power to win. Democrats would have wanted to make history voting for Hillary.

dannno
08-27-2018, 03:17 PM
Remember that story that came out, after Hillary realized she was going to lose, she found Obama and they went off on a secret rendezvous and nobody in the press could find them?

Remember how Bilderberg was happening during that time in the same general vicinity, but the media can't talk about Bilderberg so they just pretended they had no idea where they went?


https://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/07/us/politics/07meet.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/07/us/politics/07meet.html)

Two Rivals Sneak Away to Meet, and the Hunt Is On

By JEFF ZELENY (https://www.nytimes.com/by/jeff-zeleny)
JUNE 7, 2008

WASHINGTON (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/national/usstatesterritoriesandpossessions/washingtondc/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) — For 17 months, they tracked one another’s movements like prey.
But Senators Barack Obama (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/barack_obama/index.html?inline=nyt-per) and Hillary Rodham Clinton (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/hillary_rodham_clinton/index.html?inline=nyt-per) came together here Thursday evening to pull off a secret rendezvous. They ditched their traveling entourages, eluded camera crews across town and startled many of their own advisers as they held their first private meeting since becoming archrivals for the Democratic presidential nomination.

It was a political scavenger hunt like this capital had seldom seen before — at least in the current frenzied climate — where the two rivals huddled at an undisclosed location. Only hours earlier, she sought to cool speculation that she was clamoring to be his running mate, but suddenly the city’s media was awash in rumor as word spread of their meeting.

The evening began in routine fashion, with Mr. Obama holding a large rally in northern Virginia. Then, he was scheduled to travel by motorcade to Dulles International Airport and fly to Chicago. The motorcade arrived, but Mr. Obama did not, stirring alarm among reporters who had been aboard the campaign plane for 45 minutes as it sat on the tarmac.

Shortly before takeoff, one part of the secret was divulged. Robert Gibbs, the campaign’s communications director, said Mr. Obama would not be flying to Chicago as previously scheduled. He gave no reason for this mysterious pronouncement and there was little time for questions, considering that the engines had started to whir.

Sunlen Miller, who covers the Obama campaign for ABC News, filed an urgent dispatch via Blackberry to report that the senator had abruptly changed plans and had given the slip to those who were traveling with him all day. “I sent it as the wheels were going up,” Ms. Miller said of her message, recounting the agitation and confusion among her fellow travelers as the 757 lifted off.

It wasn’t until after the plane landed in Chicago — sans the presidential candidate — that Mr. Gibbs confirmed a meeting had taken place between the rivals. Details? None given.

The face-to-face meeting, initiated by Mrs. Clinton, illustrated how the hierarchical roles of the candidates’ relationship suddenly were changing. While Mr. Obama agreed to meet Mrs. Clinton on her terms — at the location and time of her choosing — he was doing so wearing the title of a presumptive nominee, eager to get their first session out of the way and move onto the general election.

Several early reports suggested that Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton were holding the secret session at her home on Whitehaven Street, which sits in the shadow of the vice president’s residence in Northwest Washington. In the end, aides said, the meeting did not take place there, a development that for hours injected a cloak-and-dagger-like element into the drama and set off a mad scramble for reporters to find the secret location.
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Senator Barack Obama arriving at his home in Chicago early Friday morning, after flying from a meeting with Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in Washington. CreditAlex Brandon/Associated PressFor a time, the search took place live on cable television, unfolding like a Washington spy thriller, with the two leading characters sneaking around with the help of decoys and diversions.

Was it taking place at the home of Senator Dianne Feinstein, a California Democrat, who supported Mrs. Clinton but is also friendly to Mr. Obama? (If so, where does she live? Property records indicated an address on Nebraska Avenue, which turned up nothing.)

Or was it happening at Mr. Obama’s small duplex on Capitol Hill? Or, perhaps, the Congressional picnic that was underway at the White House on Thursday evening?

Those questions — not to mention the substance of the meeting — went largely unanswered. Advisers to both candidates did not respond to questions by telephone or email, saying the senators demanded that the session be kept secret.

Throughout the long primary season, Chuck Todd, the political director of NBC News, turned to maps and charts to help explain the state-by-state — and delegate-by-delegate — maneuverings. No visual aids could help explain this mysterious Clinton-Obama story.

“This is only a taste of the media deception to come, the granddaddy of them all when it comes to secret meetings is the vice presidential search,” Mr. Todd said, after calling an end to the hunt for information. “It’s a frustrating game campaigns play when it comes to these private meetings. But they rarely pay a real price because secretly the press corps enjoys the chase.”

Finally, as Mr. Obama was headed back to Chicago on a private plane and Mrs. Clinton had returned to her home, another rarity took place. A joint statement was issued by representatives of the two senators, but sent out by Mr. Obama’s staff. Those words, perhaps, were the first cooperative undertaking since the presidential race began six seasons ago.

“Senator Clinton and Senator Obama met tonight and had a productive discussion about the important work that needs to be done to succeed in November,” the statement said.

Mrs. Clinton’s farewell from the race comes Saturday. When she offers her endorsement, Mr. Obama said he intends to be in Chicago with his family. Unless, of course, he isn’t.

Anti Globalist
08-27-2018, 03:51 PM
You don't think Obama would have tried again in 2012?

dude58677
08-27-2018, 04:06 PM
You don't think Obama would have tried again in 2012?

Maybe but Democrats would have tried someone else such as Hillary. Mitt Romney was runner up in 2008 and won the nomination in 2012.

dannno
08-27-2018, 04:07 PM
You don't think Obama would have tried again in 2012?

Historically speaking, when someone loses an election they tend to not be nominated again for another try. Certainly not completely out of the realm of possibility, but more likely they would have given Hillary a shot.

RonZeplin
08-27-2018, 04:10 PM
Hillary & Obama conspired to punish America by getting Democrat operative Trump elected. Feel the wrath of Hillary.

https://i.imgflip.com/13u3il.jpg

timosman
08-27-2018, 04:35 PM
Hillary & Obama conspired to punish America by getting Democrat operative Trump elected. Feel the wrath of Hillary.

https://i.imgflip.com/13u3il.jpg

What if Trump wanted to be Capo di tutti capi?