Trump Questions "South Africa Land Expropriations" From White Farmers

[Swordsmyth]

Just days after the first 'Zimbabwe-fication' actions of South African President Ramaphosa's plan to confiscate white farmers' land with no compensation and hand them to the black population begins, President Trump - seemingly following a story by Fox News' Tucker Carlson - has asked Secretary of State Mike Pompeo “to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations” raising concerns that the U.S. might target South Africa with possible sanctions next.

I have asked Secretary of State @SecPompeo (https://twitter.com/SecPompeo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers. “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.” @TuckerCarlson (https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) @FoxNews (https://twitter.com/FoxNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 23, 2018 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1032454567152246785?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) The reaction was swift in the Rand...
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Here is the Tucker Carlson segment that appears to have triggered President Trump.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqL7rkKyaQs


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More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-22/rand-slumps-trump-questions-south-africa-land-expropriations-white-farmers

Related:


Petitions to substitute the Boers for other "refugees" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?520325-Petitions-to-substitute-the-Boers-for-other-quot-refugees-quot)

[r3volution 3.0]

A better policy, as I just suggested in the other thread on this topic, would be to allow free immigration of S. Africans wishing to come here.

Another option would be military conquest and colonial government.

...as most of Africa needs anyway, and has been lacking since the Europeans abandoned their responsibilities.

[Swordsmyth]

A better policy, as I just suggested in the other thread on this topic, would be to allow free immigration of S. Africans wishing to come here.
If they replaced other less compatible refugees.


Another option would be military conquest and colonial government.

...as most of Africa needs anyway, and has been lacking since the Europeans abandoned their responsibilities.
It is time for the white man to shrug "his" "burden", empires benefited the wealthy and powerful but they ruined the nations that ran them.

[r3volution 3.0]

If they replaced other less compatible refugees.

What does that mean?

You would deny Afrikaners entry to the US or not?


It is time for the white man to shrug "his" "burden", empires benefited the wealthy and powerful but they ruined the nations that ran them.

Take a look at almost any black African country today and you will find that the common people were much better off under colonial rule.

[Swordsmyth]

What does that mean?

You would deny Afrikaners entry to the US or not?
I would allow them in and bar an equal number (or more) of other less compatible people from coming here.




Take a look at almost any black African country today and you will find that the common people were much better off under colonial rule.
But the citizens of the imperial countries were harmed by subsidizing colonial rule.

[r3volution 3.0]

I would allow them in and bar an equal number (or more) of other less compatible people from coming here.

Well that's good, very generous of you with your neighbor's property rights.


But the citizens of the imperial countries were harmed by subsidizing colonial rule.

Definitely

The colonial empires were virtually always a losing proposition for the average subject of the colonizing state.

[Swordsmyth]

Well that's good, very generous of you with your neighbor's property rights.
Americans want some immigrants and so do I, there is no conflict between my philosophy and my position on this matter.




Definitely

The colonial empires were virtually always a losing proposition for the average subject of the colonizing state.
And therefore the colonizing state should not have created and run them.

[r3volution 3.0]

And therefore the colonizing state should not have created and run them.

That's what we call a non sequitur.

[Swordsmyth]

That's what we call a non sequitur.
It does follow, the state in question had a responsibility to not harm their own people.

[r3volution 3.0]

It does follow, the state in question had a responsibility to not harm their own people.

The essential difference between you and I is that you care about some sub-set of people, whereas I care about people.

Alas, liberalism is long dead.

[Swordsmyth]

The essential difference between you and I is that you care about some sub-set of people, whereas I care about people.

Liberalism died a long time ago, I'm afraid.

Democrats, nationalists, and socialists have inherited the Earth.
I care about all people but my duty towards them diminishes as my connection to them does, I would be wrong to bankrupt my family in order to help all the homeless in San Francisco, likewise western countries have a greater responsibility to their own citizens than they have to help Africans or other less advanced peoples.

[H_H]

Americans want some immigrants and so do IBetween 75% and 90% of white Americans would be fine with an Immigration Pause. Just hit the pause button, no big deal. We can always unpause any time. If we want to.Go ask them. You likely won’t find a single person who’ll say no. It’s always all in how you phrase the poll question, ya know?

[H_H]

Hitting the Immigration Pause Button is not the controversial issue. That’s settled. 75-90%. Mass deportation, that is the bone of contention. That’s where the debate is going. Gotta love that ole Overton Window. Once you understand a thing, you can use it, see?

[H_H]

Anyway, you guys are getting distracted. The story is: horrible parasites have taken over South Africa (Hmm, How did that happen?) and this guy tweeting, whoever he is, seems to be doing what he can to stop it. That’s all. It’s a good thing.Crazy 3.0 seems to need to criticize the guy nonetheless, so he has had to get particularly creative in his craziness, claiming that he supports recolonizing and enslaving the darkies (his sentiments, not mine, mods!), which is such an outlandish and politically impossible and just “out there” thing to say, he thinks it can distract everyone and consume the conversation, simply by being so novelly ridiculous. ‘Tsworked so far: we’re having a big conversation about whether or not the Queen ought to recolonize the veltland or some nonsense like that, instead of:


Is it good or bad to steal folks’ land and genocide them, and.


Is it good or bad to try to stop such a thing?



I mean, talk about whatever you want. Just giving the play-by-play so nobody gets lost.

[specsaregood]

Take a look at almost any black African country today and you will find that the common people were much better off under colonial rule.

China has been doing just that -- quietly -- in Africa for awhile now. And at the same time, I saw something recently that these S. African land seizures weren't really about giving the land back to the natives to farm but land with minerals that china wants to mine.

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[Grandmastersexsay]

Didn't work out so well for their neighbors.

https://i.imgur.com/zHvaGeK.jpg

[edalonzo]

What's really telling is how Iran is strangely silent on the issue of white genocide in South Africa. Trump is right to punish Iran.

[Danke]

Hi ed!

[dannno]

What's really telling is how Iran is strangely silent on the issue of white genocide in South Africa. Trump is right to punish Iran.

https://memegenerator.net/img/images/2027481/old-lady.jpg

[edalonzo]

https://memegenerator.net/img/images/2027481/old-lady.jpg

Fan of terrorist, Israel-hating Iran, are we?

[nikcers]

You gotta thank them for reminding everyone that racism is just tribalism and its not something only white people can do.

[Anti Federalist]

Between 75% and 90% of white Americans would be fine with an Immigration Pause. Just hit the pause button, no big deal. We can always unpause any time. If we want to.Go ask them. You likely won’t find a single person who’ll say no. It’s always all in how you phrase the poll question, ya know?

Yup, I'm in that group.

Stop it all, shut it all down.

We're neck deep in shit and have enough trouble as it is.

[Anti Federalist]

You gotta thank them for reminding everyone that racism is just tribalism and its not something only white people can do.

The Bolsheviks do not believe that.

Critical Race Theory, taught all across the country, categorically states that only white people can be racist.

[nikcers]

Yup, I'm in that group.

Stop it all, shut it all down.

We're neck deep in $#@! and have enough trouble as it is.
I wondered if leftists who were pushing for unlimited migration were always for unlimited war and it was pretty close, I guess when you run the country like a game of chess you always want more pawns.

[oyarde]

What's really telling is how Iran is strangely silent on the issue of white genocide in South Africa. Trump is right to punish Iran.

LOL , LOL

[oyarde]

Hitting the Immigration Pause Button is not the controversial issue. That’s settled. 75-90%. Mass deportation, that is the bone of contention. That’s where the debate is going. Gotta love that ole Overton Window. Once you understand a thing, you can use it, see?

I can live with it .

[Anti Federalist]

Is it good or bad to steal folks’ land and genocide them, and.

Is it good or bad to try to stop such a thing?

Bad.

And, bad.

While I have a great deal of sympathy for the Boer farmers, especially since it was our SJW fucking with their country that caused this, I have to remain consistent and hold that our further interference will only make things worse in the long run.

That said, every white person in SA had better get out while they can, before you end up in a mass grave.

[tod evans]

Bad.

And, bad.

While I have a great deal of sympathy for the Boer farmers, especially since it was our SJW fucking with their country that caused this, I have to remain consistent and hold that our further interference will only make things worse in the long run.

That said, every white person in SA had better get out while they can, before you end up in a mass grave.

Salt the land first.

[Krugminator2]

That said, every white person in SA had better get out while they can, before you end up in a mass grave.

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Apparently not wanting South Africa to end up like Zimbabwe is a white nationalist talking point.

Anti-genocide- the new white supremacy.

[EBounding]

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Apparently not wanting South Africa to end up like Zimbabwe is a white nationalist talking point.

Anti-genocide- the new white supremacy.

I hear several white supremacists are named Blake.

[TheCount]

Hitting the Immigration Pause Button is not the controversial issue. That’s settled. 75-90%. Mass deportation, that is the bone of contention. That’s where the debate is going. Gotta love that ole Overton Window. Once you understand a thing, you can use it, see?



Is it good or bad to steal folks’ land and genocide them, and.


Is it good or bad to try to stop such a thing?

Does it feel strange to you to support and then oppose the same policy in two adjacent posts within the span of half an hour?

[Danke]

China has been doing just that -- quietly -- in Africa for awhile now. And at the same time, I saw something recently that these S. African land seizures weren't really about giving the land back to the natives to farm but land with minerals that china wants to mine.

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Interesting.

[oyarde]

I miss my old Rhodesian hunting trips .

[Swordsmyth]

Between 75% and 90% of white Americans would be fine with an Immigration Pause. Just hit the pause button, no big deal. We can always unpause any time. If we want to.Go ask them. You likely won’t find a single person who’ll say no. It’s always all in how you phrase the poll question, ya know?

I am in favor of a pause, I was speaking of my long term opinion.

[Anti Federalist]

I miss my old Rhodesian hunting trips .

I read this man's work extensively...would love to go hunt Africa some day.

https://www.africahunting.com/hunting-pictures-videos/watermark.php?file=6469&size=1

[Swordsmyth]

Does it feel strange to you to support and then oppose the same policy in two adjacent posts within the span of half an hour?

Mass deportation of illegal aliens is not the same thing as stealing land from citizens and killing them.

[TheCount]

Mass deportation of illegal aliens is not the same thing as stealing land from citizens and killing them.

Let's not pretend that the mass deportation being discussed is only for illegal aliens.

[Swordsmyth]

Let's not pretend that the mass deportation being discussed is only for illegal aliens.
How would you know what was "really" being discussed?

[Valli6]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1006892/south-africa-land-seizure-white-farmers-land-grab-ANC-expropriation-compensation-cyril-ram

South Africa LAND SEIZURE crisis: Bank warns of DEFAULT over white-farm land grabs

SOUTH Africa’s proposed new policy of seizing privately-owned land without compensation could torpedo the country’s economy if farmers stop investing and paying off debts, the state-owned Land Bank has warned.

By SIMON OSBORNE
PUBLISHED: 14:34, Wed, Aug 22, 2018 | UPDATED: 16:17, Wed, Aug 22, 2018

Bosses said the government's new decree on land reform could trigger defaults that would cost the economy £2.2bn if the bank’s rights as a creditor are not protected.

Land Bank is an agricultural bank guided by a government mandate to provide financial services to the commercial farming sector and agri-business.

South African President Cyril Ramaphosa announced this month his government will enforce a change in the constitution to allow the expropriation of land without compensation.

A record number of white South African farmers have put their land up for sale amid fears the ruling party is considering confiscating properties bigger than 25,000 acres.

According to the ruling Africa National Congress party (ANC), the white minority in the country still own most of the land more than two decades after the end of apartheid.

The ANC wants to redistribute the land confiscated from white farmers to the black citizens of the country.

Land Bank chairman Arthur Moloto said expropriation without compensation would immediately cost the bank £480m.

He said: “A cross default clause would be triggered should we fail to pay when these debts fall due because of inadequate liquidity or lack of alternative sources of funding.

“This would make our entire funding portfolio due and payable immediately, which we would not be able to settle.

“Consequently, government intervention would be required to settle our lenders.”

Mr Moloto said a badly-run land reform program would hurt his bank’s capital.

He said: “A poorly executed expropriation without compensation could result in the main sources of funding drying up as investors might not be willing to continue funding Land Bank in particular, or agriculture in general.”

Since the end of apartheid in 1994, the ANC has followed a “willing-seller, willing-buyer” model.

Under the plan, the government buys land from white landowners and redistributes it among black citizens of the country.

But critics say the land reform programme has not brought the results the ANC wants.

Tensions among South Africa’s white farming community has been escalating since the election of Cyril Ramaphosa as President earlier the year, who committed his African National Congress (ANC) to land expropriation.

Last week, ANC chairman Gwede Mantashe sparked panic among the farming community when he said: “You shouldn’t own more than 25,000 acres of land.

“Therefore if you own more it should be taken without compensation.

“People who are privileged never give away privilege as a matter of a gift.

“And that is why we say, to give you the tools, revisit the constitution so that you have a legal tool to do it.”

Economists and farmers’ unions have warned land grabs in South Africa could lead to a Zimbabwe-style collapse of the the agricultural industry from which the economy will struggle to recover.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1006892/south-africa-land-seizure-white-farmers-land-grab-ANC-expropriation-compensation-cyril-ram

[TheCount]

How would you know what was "really" being discussed?

Time is linear.


Muslims don't belong here. Because I don't want this to be a Muslim country. Middle-easterners don't belong here. Because I don't want this to be a middle-eastern country. And Mexicans and other Latin Americans don't belong here. Because I don't want this country to become Northern Mexico. If we care about liberty, we ought to do whatever we can to get them out.

[Swordsmyth]

Time is linear.


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=6239187#post6239187)

Muslims don't belong here. Because I don't want this to be a Muslim country. Middle-easterners don't belong here. Because I don't want this to be a middle-eastern country. And Mexicans and other Latin Americans don't belong here. Because I don't want this country to become Northern Mexico. If we care about liberty, we ought to do whatever we can to get them out.


That still doesn't prove that he means to kill or expel citizens.

[nikcers]

That still doesn't prove that he means to kill or expel citizens.
I would imagine getting someone out is expelling in so many words.

we ought to do whatever we can to get them out.

[Swordsmyth]

I would imagine getting someone out is expelling in so many words.

In the first place it is not clear that citizens are being discussed and in the second it is not clear that "whatever we can" includes expelling if applied to citizens.

[nikcers]

In the first place it is not clear that citizens are being discussed and in the second it is not clear that "whatever we can" includes expelling if applied to citizens.
So you think he failed to specify whether he meant American citizens or immigrants because it was obviously implied or because he is unable to articulate his ideas?

[Anti Federalist]

I am not in favor of deporting or expelling confirmed US citizens.

I am in favor of an across the board halt in immigration, legal or illegal.

I am in favor of deporting anybody who is not within the country legally as defined by law.

[Schifference]

Why is this a concern for our government?

[Swordsmyth]

So you think he failed to delineate between American citizens and immigrants because it was obvious or because he isn't able to articulate what he is saying?

I don't know, I just know that that quote doesn't prove that he wants to kill or expel citizens.

[Anti Federalist]

Why is this a concern for our government?

It's not I suppose...outside of our fucking around with the internal politics of a foreign nation is what has caused this.

[Swordsmyth]

I am not in favor of deporting or expelling confirmed US citizens.

I am in favor of an across the board halt in immigration, legal or illegal.

I am in favor of deporting anybody who is not within the country legally as defined by law.
I am in favor of possibly deporting some legal immigrants who are not yet citizens.

[Swordsmyth]

Why is this a concern for our government?

It isn't unless he is going to offer the Boers refugee status, if he does then he needs to use them to replace other less compatible refugees.

[Schifference]

So will we offer preferential refugee status to white foreigners over colored foreigners?

[Schifference]

If we want to stay away from providing refugees a place to come we should not get involved.

[Swordsmyth]

So will we offer preferential refugee status to white foreigners over colored foreigners?

Culture is the question not skin color.

[Anti Federalist]

It's been, literally, years, since I read a PuffHo story on their website.

I notice they no longer allow comments either.


“The president of the United States has adopted a vile white supremacist hate narrative, right out of the darkest corners of the internet, and is turning it into policy.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-white-farmers-south-africa-tweet-racist_us_5b7e5253e4b07295150fc749

President Donald Trump faced more accusations of racism late Wednesday after he tweeted about white farmers in South Africa.

In an apparent response to a segment on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show, Trump said he’d asked Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to “closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures”:


Donald J. Trump
✔ realDonaldTrump
I have asked Secretary of State @SecPompeo to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers. “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.” tuckerCarlson foxNews
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Fellow tweeters accused Trump of promoting the white nationalist talking point that the South African government was waging a war against whites.

Khusela Diko, South African President Cyril Ramaphosa’s spokeswoman, told Reuters that Trump was “misinformed” about the country’s planned land reforms and that its government would “take up the matter through diplomatic channels.”

“South Africa totally rejects this narrow perception which only seeks to divide our nation and reminds us of our colonial past,” the South African government tweeted. “South Africa will speed up the pace of land reform in a careful and inclusive manner that does not divide our nation.”

[Swordsmyth]

If we want to stay away from providing refugees a place to come we should not get involved.
I would be happy to end all refugee programs but until that happens we should prioritize those who are more compatible with our culture over those who are not.

[Swordsmyth]

It's been, literally, years, since I read a PuffHo story on their website.

I notice they no longer allow comments either.


“The president of the United States has adopted a vile white supremacist hate narrative, right out of the darkest corners of the internet, and is turning it into policy.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-white-farmers-south-africa-tweet-racist_us_5b7e5253e4b07295150fc749

President Donald Trump faced more accusations of racism late Wednesday after he tweeted about white farmers in South Africa.

In an apparent response to a segment on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show, Trump said he’d asked Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to “closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures”:


Donald J. Trump
✔ @real (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=68777)DonaldTrump
I have asked Secretary of State @SecPompeo to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers. “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.” @tucker (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=37570)Carlson @fox (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=33088)News
10:28 PM - Aug 22, 2018
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Fellow tweeters accused Trump of promoting the white nationalist talking point that the South African government was waging a war against whites.

Khusela Diko, South African President Cyril Ramaphosa’s spokeswoman, told Reuters that Trump was “misinformed” about the country’s planned land reforms and that its government would “take up the matter through diplomatic channels.”

“South Africa totally rejects this narrow perception which only seeks to divide our nation and reminds us of our colonial past,” the South African government tweeted. “South Africa will speed up the pace of land reform in a careful and inclusive manner that does not divide our nation.”

Climate change is man made but the extinction of whites is natural, how come you don't understand that comrade?

[H_H]

Does it feel strange to you to support and then oppose the same policy in two adjacent posts within the span of half an hour?

Yes! Now this is how we play!


Problem is, I’d be excited ‘cept I know perfectly well as soon as I make a post for which you can’t think of any one-liner reply you feel is clever and devastating, you’ll just ignore it. And so that will be the end of the conversation. More accurately: it will never become a conversation. You don’t have conversations. Certainly not with me. You have had a couple more extended back and forths with people who seemed to be moderately to severely retarded, so maybe that’s the key. Make ya feel all secure, certain of your intellectual superiority, not threatened and uncertain.


Anyway, feel free to act like a human and have a conversation with me. Based on past experience it’s unlikely, but I don’t know you, I don’t understand you (venture to say: no one here does), and so who knows what you’ll do. People can change.


OK, where were we? Ah yes: this was an awesome post. In so many ways. It would seem to have the opponent, me, pinned into a corner, yes? 1) You pretty clearly imply that you’re in favor of mass deportation, and 2) You pretty clearly imply you think that genociding whites in South Africa is bad. You would seem, in that case, to be stuck. How you gonna get out of that one?


You could try to claim that deportation is not the same as genocide. That’s the tac Swordsmyth has taken in his defense of me (thanks, Sword!), but that comes off as pretty weak. Too much like parsing words, splitting hairs. Because while it’s obviously true that deportation and genocide are significantly different things, that actually doesn’t get at the crux of the issue.


So, the other alternative is to just be honest and upfront and go straight for the jugular crux. Full frontal assault on the crux. And that’s kind of my default style, historically, since I came here in 2007 — and more generally since I came to this Earth. Because fact is, would I support a humane, orderly, compensated deportation of white people out of South Africa? No I would not. Nor of white Europeans out of North America. ‘But, but... inconsistent!!’ Yeah. Here’s the thing. Inconsistent with what? Under what framework? Under an ideological framework. Not under a reality framework. Only under a crazed, rigid adherence to an interesting artificial system called “ideology” is it inconsistent. But ideology is all abstractions and has no relationship to reality. It’s just all made up. So at some point you’ve got to choose your framework: ideology framework, or reality framework. As for me and my house: we choose reality.


And so then, suddenly, the question becomes not “Am I adhering to an artificial quasi-mathematical system of rules, axioms, and bromides?”, but rather “What would work? What would make a good society for my non-theoretical children to live and thrive in?” and other reality-based questions like that.

So in the reality framework, which is what I’ve switched to working in nowadays, it all makes sense. Would it make my society better for my children if all the Mexicans were booted back to go make Mexico great again? By my estimation, yes. (We could debate that, but you don’t care about practical realities like that, methinks, only ideology. So you won’t.) Likewise, will it make South Africa better to genocide all the whites there? Obviously not, probably no one would go so far on the crazy train as to debate that point. Whites built the country and are the only ones competent enough to keep the country from wholesale crumbling. Everyone knows that.


Join me in reality, guys. Water’s sweet. Once you go real, you’ll never go back.

[H_H]

Oh, and a new update straight from reality on this story: South Africa is “fact checking” the tweet. And whom did they get to do the checking?



Julius Malema!!! Yes, as in “Die, white man! Viva Malema!” Malema. Ha, ha ha ha, ha! Mine floor it seems to be rolling. I’ll leave the work to others to fill in the gaps and post some background articles if you don’t get the joke.

[TheTexan]

Just days after the first 'Zimbabwe-fication' actions of South African President Ramaphosa's plan to confiscate white farmers' land with no compensation and hand them to the black population begins, President Trump - seemingly following a story by Fox News' Tucker Carlson - has asked Secretary of State Mike Pompeo “to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations” raising concerns that the U.S. might target South Africa with possible sanctions next.

I have asked Secretary of State @SecPompeo (https://twitter.com/SecPompeo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers. “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.” @TuckerCarlson (https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) @FoxNews (https://twitter.com/FoxNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 23, 2018 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1032454567152246785?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) The reaction was swift in the Rand...
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/2018-08-22_19-58-11.jpg
Here is the Tucker Carlson segment that appears to have triggered President Trump.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqL7rkKyaQs


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More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-22/rand-slumps-trump-questions-south-africa-land-expropriations-white-farmers

Related:


Petitions to substitute the Boers for other "refugees" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?520325-Petitions-to-substitute-the-Boers-for-other-quot-refugees-quot)

I completely agree. Any country that legalizes theft should be sanctioned. It is of course only South Africa doing this currently.

[Ender]

It's not I suppose...outside of our $#@!ing around with the internal politics of a foreign nation is what has caused this.

^^^THIS^^^

In a new article/podcast, about the lies that were used to bring on WWI, Judge John V. Denson briefly mentions:


The horror of the British concentration camps in South Africa, where 20,000 children died, is conveniently glossed over; the devastating loss of a generation in a world war for which these men were deliberately responsible has been glorified by the lie that they died for ‘freedom and civilization.’

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/08/no_author/hidden-history-of-ww1-2/

Looking up real history shows that the 1st concentration camps were actually in South Africa- but of course, only the Germans were bad guys.

[TheCount]

TL
;DR

[UWDude]

Yes! Now this is how we play!


Problem is, I’d be excited ‘cept I know perfectly well as soon as I make a post for which you can’t think of any one-liner reply you feel is clever and devastating, you’ll just ignore it. And so that will be the end of the conversation. More accurately: it will never become a conversation. You don’t have conversations. Certainly not with me. You have had a couple more extended back and forths with people who seemed to be moderately to severely retarded, so maybe that’s the key. Make ya feel all secure, certain of your intellectual superiority, not threatened and uncertain.


Anyway, feel free to act like a human and have a conversation with me. Based on past experience it’s unlikely, but I don’t know you, I don’t understand you (venture to say: no one here does), and so who knows what you’ll do. People can change.


OK, where were we? Ah yes: this was an awesome post. In so many ways. It would seem to have the opponent, me, pinned into a corner, yes? 1) You pretty clearly imply that you’re in favor of mass deportation, and 2) You pretty clearly imply you think that genociding whites in South Africa is bad. You would seem, in that case, to be stuck. How you gonna get out of that one?


You could try to claim that deportation is not the same as genocide. That’s the tac Swordsmyth has taken in his defense of me (thanks, Sword!), but that comes off as pretty weak. Too much like parsing words, splitting hairs. Because while it’s obviously true that deportation and genocide are significantly different things, that actually doesn’t get at the crux of the issue.


So, the other alternative is to just be honest and upfront and go straight for the jugular crux. Full frontal assault on the crux. And that’s kind of my default style, historically, since I came here in 2007 — and more generally since I came to this Earth. Because fact is, would I support a humane, orderly, compensated deportation of white people out of South Africa? No I would not. Nor of white Europeans out of North America. ‘But, but... inconsistent!!’ Yeah. Here’s the thing. Inconsistent with what? Under what framework? Under an ideological framework. Not under a reality framework. Only under a crazed, rigid adherence to an interesting artificial system called “ideology” is it inconsistent. But ideology is all abstractions and has no relationship to reality. It’s just all made up. So at some point you’ve got to choose your framework: ideology framework, or reality framework. As for me and my house: we choose reality.


And so then, suddenly, the question becomes not “Am I adhering to an artificial quasi-mathematical system of rules, axioms, and bromides?”, but rather “What would work? What would make a good society for my non-theoretical children to live and thrive in?” and other reality-based questions like that.

So in the reality framework, which is what I’ve switched to working in nowadays, it all makes sense. Would it make my society better for my children if all the Mexicans were booted back to go make Mexico great again? By my estimation, yes. (We could debate that, but you don’t care about practical realities like that, methinks, only ideology. So you won’t.) Likewise, will it make South Africa better to genocide all the whites there? Obviously not, probably no one would go so far on the crazy train as to debate that point. Whites built the country and are the only ones competent enough to keep the country from wholesale crumbling. Everyone knows that.


Join me in reality, guys. Water’s sweet. Once you go real, you’ll never go back.

Helmeth Huber shows his Heil Hitler roots, 88 and all that, and then asks for a conversation about reality.
Reality? You're a Nazi. You are looking for people who agree with you, or understand your not so secret symbology. "omg you 88, im 88 too omg, Well Played ! ;) "
You have as much right to speak here as some one as disgusting as Zippy or theCount.
But, I am not going to ever agree with your so-called terms about "reality", bucko.
Mexicans, blacks, muslims and whites get along just fine, if they agree on two main principles, Freedom of speech, for the rudeness, and right to bear arms, for the politeness.

[dannno]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ltYWe2loE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mnTeXdjJsI

[H_H]

;DR
Helmeth Huber shows his Heil Hitler roots, 88 and all that, and then asks for a conversation about reality. Reality? You're a Nazi. You are looking for people who agree with you, or understand your not so secret symbology. "omg you 88, im 88 too omg, Well Played ! ;) " You have as much right to speak here as some one as disgusting as Zippy or theCount. But, I am not going to ever agree with your so-called terms about "reality", bucko. Mexicans, blacks, muslims and whites get along just fine, if they agree on two main principles, Freedom of speech, for the rudeness, and right to bear arms, for the politeness.
Yo UWDude! Thanks for the shout-out, bro. Hey, you ever graduate from the UW yet?


Here’s the difference between you and Wonka. For one thing, you were courageous/reckless enough to actually sincerely read what I wrote, and in doing so realized everything I was saying was pretty reasonable and thus were partially persuaded. Like Wonka, you could think of no arguments nor facts nor rebuttal of any kind to make in response. Unlike Wonka, you felt the need to counter-signal anyway. Strong need. He was happy just announcing he was ignoring the post as I, and we all, predicted. You had to compose a couple paragraphs disavowing me — Disavow! Disavow! — and accusing me of being an Ultimate Bad-Think Man. Had to. Driven.


While meanwhile there were plenty of other RPFers who read it, were plenty persuaded by it for my purposes (like, 10% persuaded let’s call it), were nevertheless profoundly uncomfortable with its implied conclusions, and yet succumbed to no need to virtue signal.


What does that tell you about yourself?


Feel free to counter-signal some more. Doesn’t hurt my feelings, and it might help you. Whatever helps you be more secure and confident.

[TheCount]

For one thing, you were courageous/reckless enough to actually sincerely read what I wrote
Your posts would be worth reading if you said anything. I took a couple of minutes to mark up your post, and struck out anything that could be removed without detracting from the content of your message. Charitably, it looks like your post is about 20% content. Even within that fraction, you never expressed your point of view clearly.


Yes! Now this is how we play!


Problem is, I’d be excited ‘cept I know perfectly well as soon as I make a post for which you can’t think of any one-liner reply you feel is clever and devastating, you’ll just ignore it. And so that will be the end of the conversation. More accurately: it will never become a conversation. You don’t have conversations. Certainly not with me. You have had a couple more extended back and forths with people who seemed to be moderately to severely retarded, so maybe that’s the key. Make ya feel all secure, certain of your intellectual superiority, not threatened and uncertain.


Anyway, feel free to act like a human and have a conversation with me. Based on past experience it’s unlikely, but I don’t know you, I don’t understand you (venture to say: no one here does), and so who knows what you’ll do. People can change.


OK, where were we? Ah yes: this was an awesome post. In so many ways. It would seem to have the opponent, me, pinned into a corner, yes? 1) You pretty clearly imply that you’re in favor of mass deportation, and 2) You pretty clearly imply you think that genociding whites in South Africa is bad. You would seem, in that case, to be stuck. How you gonna get out of that one?


You could try to claim that deportation is not the same as genocide. That’s the tac Swordsmyth has taken in his defense of me (thanks, Sword!), but that comes off as pretty weak. Too much like parsing words, splitting hairs. Because while it’s obviously true that deportation and genocide are significantly different things, that actually doesn’t get at the crux of the issue.


So, the other alternative is to just be honest and upfront and go straight for the jugular crux. Full frontal assault on the crux. And that’s kind of my default style, historically, since I came here in 2007 — and more generally since I came to this Earth. Because fact is, would I support a humane, orderly, compensated deportation of white people out of South Africa? No I would not. Nor of white Europeans out of North America. ‘But, but... inconsistent!!’ Yeah. Here’s the thing. Inconsistent with what? Under what framework? Under an ideological framework. Not under a reality framework. Only under a crazed, rigid adherence to an interesting artificial system called “ideology” is it inconsistent. But ideology is all abstractions and has no relationship to reality. It’s just all made up. So at some point you’ve got to choose your framework: ideology framework, or reality framework. As for me and my house: we choose reality.


And so then, suddenly, the question becomes not “Am I adhering to an artificial quasi-mathematical system of rules, axioms, and bromides?”, but rather “What would work? What would make a good society for my non-theoretical children to live and thrive in?” and other reality-based questions like that.

So in the reality framework, which is what I’ve switched to working in nowadays, it all makes sense. Would it make my society better for my children if all the Mexicans were booted back to go make Mexico great again? By my estimation, yes. (We could debate that, but you don’t care about practical realities like that, methinks, only ideology. So you won’t.) Likewise, will it make South Africa better to genocide all the whites there? Obviously not, probably no one would go so far on the crazy train as to debate that point. Whites built the country and are the only ones competent enough to keep the country from wholesale crumbling. Everyone knows that.

Join me in reality, guys. Water’s sweet. Once you go real,you’ll never go back.


Meanwhile, your post could be summarized in 17 words or 2.7% of the length of your original post: You support forcible deportation or genocide when the result would improve the collective as per your determination.

[Anti Federalist]

South Africa’s Julius Malema: Trump’s Right, We’re Coming for White Farmers

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/08/24/south-africa-julius-malema-trumps-right-were-coming-for-white-farmers/

24 Aug 2018

Radical South African politician Julius Malema confirmed President Donald Trump’s concerns Thursday, declaring defiantly that the point of the country’s proposed new “expropriation without compensation” policy would be to take land from white farmers.

“Through land expropriation, we are forcing white people to share the land which was gained through a crime against the humanity of black and African people,” Malema said in a press conference, referring to the racist land policies of colonialism and apartheid.

On Wednesday evening, President Donald Trump’s tweeted that he had directed Secretary of State Mike Pompeo “to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers.”

Donald J. Trump
✔ realDonaldTrump
I have asked Secretary of State @SecPompeo to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers. “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.” tuckerCarlson foxNews
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He appeared to be reacting to a segment on Tucker Carlson’s show on Fox News that evening, during which Carlson highlighted a State Department statement on South Africa’s proposed land reforms that seemed to defend the South African government’s approach and downplay criticisms.

The South African government reacted angrily: “South Africa totally rejects this narrow perception which only seeks to divide our nation and reminds us of our colonial past.” Trump’s domestic critics accused him of racism, and spreading fake news.

But South African critics of the proposed land reform policy applauded Trump for speaking out, and the most radical supporters of the policy — like Malema — confirmed the racial motivations behind the new policy, while daring the United States to do anything about it.

“We must put it on record, unequivocally, that Donald ‘the pathological liar’ Trump, we are not scared of you and your USA or Western imperialist forces,” said Malema, the leader of the small but vocal Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) opposition party.

“We are not the generation that is going to kneel at the statue of Western imperialism and accept to live in the indignity of black landlessnes.”

“Stay out of South Africa’s domestic affairs,” Malema also said, echoing a demand once made by the apartheid regime.

The South African government, which is run by the African National Congress (ANC), has been at pains to calm the fears of land-owners and investors, while at the same time appeasing populists in its own ranks and in the EFF with promises of redistribution.

While not the “white genocide” claimed by some on the American right, the situation has provoked many South Africans — black and white — to worry that the ANC could soon emulate neighboring Zimbabwe, where farm seizures led to economic collapse.

[Anti Federalist]

“Stay out of South Africa’s domestic affairs,” Malema also said, echoing a demand once made by the apartheid regime.

With that, I could not agree more Julius.

Various factions are concerned with ascendant communist China flexing their power in the world, and Africa is in their sights as a source of raw materials.

So, let the west pull out of Africa completely. Outside of the fucking around in Central and South America, one of the worst things the US could have engaged in, slaving and African intervention.

Let the Chinese take up the "White Man's Burden", babysitting that idiot continent for the next century.

Watch how fast that saps their will and resources.

We're done with it.

[Ender]

With that, I could not agree more Julius.

Various factions are concerned with ascendant communist China flexing their power in the world, and Africa is in their sights as a source of raw materials.

So, let the west pull out of Africa completely. Outside of the $#@!ing around in Central and South America, one of the worst things the US could have engaged in, slaving and African intervention.

Let the Chinese take up the "White Man's Burden", babysitting that idiot continent for the next century.

Watch how fast that saps their will and resources.

We're done with it.

I also agree- but my POV on the "White Man's Burden, babysitting" is the West forcing their version of The Matrix on EVERYONE, while taking all resources. The Western way of life is not compatible with many people & today is THE reason for people demanding "free" stuff, not understanding real freedom or capitalism, being edumacated by .gov with false history & brainwashed into thinking they are free.

The happiest & most long-lived people on the planet are tribal groups in the Himalayas- maybe we could learn a few lessons from them.

[r3volution 3.0]

China has been doing just that -- quietly -- in Africa for awhile now. And at the same time, I saw something recently that these S. African land seizures weren't really about giving the land back to the natives to farm but land with minerals that china wants to mine.

That may be the case.

It doesn't affect the underlying issue, though.

...which is that these countries are too poor to provide reasonable security for life and property.

...the absence of which in turn retards economic development.

...which in turn restricts tax revenues, such as are needed to fund the security services and judiciary.

This cycle is not inescapable, but it is a major problem (one once solved by outside funding, from the colonizing governments).

As to the Chinese, they seem keen on building dams and mines and things, which is fine, but they should focus on security.

The rest will follow in the natural course of things.

[H_H]

Your posts would be worth reading if you ever said anything.


Zing!!


So what it looks like you did as a reply is to, more or less, cross out all the parts you personally literally did not understand (along with some banter; guilty).


Look, we all want to think we are smarter than we really are. But fact is, sometimes when reading someone smarter than us, or just anyone trying to make a complex or unfamiliar point, we can’t read at the same pace as we would when speed-reading a Neil DeGrasse / Malcolm Gladwell “book”. E.g., I have to slow down to read osan. Anyway, ridiculous disclamation: me genocide no likey. Readee again.


I really feel bad that I unintentionally made you feel pressured enough to post again. Your other post, Helmuth: “Too long,” Wonka: “Didn’t read,” was so much better, crisper, just as much content as this one, and just the perfect exit from the thread. I mean, I’m not your Boss/Mom and I’m not trying to step on her toes, just giving you my honest feedback.


What you did was so perfect, so clean. And now you’ve sullied it.


Like a fat kid in your chocolate waterfall.


Sad.

[H_H]

Point is, fam, we should be wisely judging possibilities based on: What will make my country/state/community better?


...rather than “What does the ideology I am enslaved to require me to believe, in order to be righteous/‘consistent’/holier than everyone else?”



It’s just a whole different way of looking at things! Anti-modern, jarring, strange, but in the end: profoundly sane.

[AuH20]

South Africa was much better off with the Boers


Although Rhodes did not live to see his work consummated, it is worth getting his “take” on the native question. Running for office in 1887, he said, “there must be Pass Laws and Peace Preservation Acts. . . . We must adopt a system of despotism, such as works so well in India, in our relations with the barbarians of South Africa.” Already in the policies adopted by the Chamber of Mines, the Rhodes-dominated mining interest group, we can discern the outlines of the state-capitalist pattern with which Apartheid ran wild. Political regulation of natives would keep labor below its free-market price; large-scale bureaucratic fiddling would replace the direct patriarchal style of management of the Boers.

[Swordsmyth]

As South African President Ramaphosa's 'land reform' plans begin to confiscate white farmer-owned lands with no compensation, the rhetoric on both sides of the policy are beginning to signal little hope of avoiding direct inter-racial conflict, or another civil war.

https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/cyril-ramaphosa-south-africa-president.jpg
Ramaphosa insists (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1008207/south-africa-land-seizures-white-farmers-Cyril-Ramaphosa):

“This is no land grab. Nor is it an assault on the private ownership of property... Land reform in South Africa is a moral, social and economic imperative.
“By bringing more land into productive use, by giving more South Africans assets and opportunities, the country is creating conditions for greater, more inclusive and more meaningful growth”
But a number of black South Africans appear to see things a little differently to their president: “Let us kill the white man, the white man must die”

“Let us kill the white man, the white man must die” #SouthAfricanfarmers (https://twitter.com/hashtag/SouthAfricanfarmers?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) pic.twitter.com/mDnduvCoyH (https://t.co/mDnduvCoyH)
— Imam of Peace (@Imamofpeace) August 26, 2018 (https://twitter.com/Imamofpeace/status/1033661622995148801?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) Echoing Economic Freedom Fighters (https://ewn.co.za/Topic/Economic-Freedom-Fighters) (EFF) leader Julius Malema (https://ewn.co.za/Topic/Julius-Malema) says they're prepared to die if it means South Africa will achieve land expropriation without compensation.
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/malema.png
In June, Simon Black warned (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-15/hitler-south-africa-tells-white-people-he-wont-kill-themyet) that Malema, the so-called 'Hitler of South Africa', was busy telling white people in his country that he’s not going wage genocide against them. Yet.
But now, as EWN reports (https://ewn.co.za/2018/08/23/we-re-prepared-to-die-for-land-expropriation-without-compensation), the party has claimed that it's aware of white extremists who are opposed to the policy and are training as snipers in Pretoria to kill them.

Malema was addressing the media on Thursday at the party's headquarters in Braamfontein.

“They will kill us for that. There’s a group of white right-wingers who are being trained by Jews in Pretoria to be snipers…”
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/zxz3bp5y2pbolk47fzwm.jpg

Additionally, Malema has (https://ewn.co.za/2018/08/23/we-re-prepared-to-die-for-land-expropriation-without-compensation) accused President Ramaphosa and the Democratic Alliance (DA) of colluding with AfriForum to sabotage plans to expropriate land without compensation.
A decade ago few people had heard of Malema. Now he commands millions and grows more powerful each day.
So, the president says there's nothing going on; the people are being incited by leaders like Malema into extreme violence; and the white farming community is dying and pleading for the international community to pay attention:

A message to the international community from a boer in #SouthAfrica (https://twitter.com/hashtag/SouthAfrica?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) the reality of our situation. Please RT. #FarmMurders (https://twitter.com/hashtag/FarmMurders?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) #SouthAfrica (https://twitter.com/hashtag/SouthAfrica?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) pic.twitter.com/sdChH864dA (https://t.co/sdChH864dA)
— Danie Barnard (@DaanBarnard) August 27, 2018 (https://twitter.com/DaanBarnard/status/1034013582130929664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) And the following white farmer, set to become the first to officially have his USD15 million game reserve seized says South Africa’s land grab policy is theft and warned:

"I have the right to defend my property by force. And I will."
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/4F5AF56C00000578-6094565-Mr_Steenkamp_says_Prime_Minister_Cyril_Ramaphosa_s _plans_of_redi-a-47_1535117356944.jpg
As The Daily Mail reports (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6094565/White-farmer-set-game-reserve-seized-South-Africa-calls-theft.html), Johan Steenkamp who co-owns a game farm in Limpopo province, has been ordered to hand over his land, following a ten-year battle to stop the government buying it for a tenth of its value.
Mr Steenkamp says President Cyril Ramaphosa's plans of redistribution of white-owned land to South Africa's black poor is just a cover so that the government can get their hands on valuable coal deposits found under his farm land.
The 67-year-old farmer said he is ready to defend his property by force if the government tries to take his land, saying:

"If it comes to a fight so be it, I am not going to leave the country and I am not going to leave my farm."
Mr Steenkamp said that if the land claims court rules that he must accept a fraction of the value of the land then they are 'up for a fight'. He said:

"I am not going to leave the country and I am not going to leave my farm. I am going nowhere. I will defend my farm and if it comes to a fight so be it.
"I will do whatever it takes to defend my farm. I don't want confrontation but the the Constitution says that I have the right to defend my property and my family and that is what I will be doing if anyone comes for my farm.
"I will not be initiating force but my gates will be locked and I will have security here. If there is any force it will not be initiated by me.
"If others use force and it starts to get out of hand then I will defend myself."
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/4F5AFADD00000578-6094565-Mr_Steenkamp_pictured_with_his_brother_in_law_and_ his_business_p-a-49_1535117357071.jpg
"This attempted seizure of our farm is not about a noble attempt to redistribute the land to the poor of Africa but it is all about the government getting their hands on the minerals."
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/farmers-critics-president-south-africa-white-land-1477357.jpg


The latest data suggests things are getting worse...
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/22fab914bbbcda7963d2b3eacbfe58d7%20%281%29.jpg

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-27/south-africa-civil-war-looms-white-farmers-black-hitler-willing-die-over-property

[TheCount]

Zing!!

So what it looks like you did as a reply is to, more or less, cross out all the parts you personally literally did not understand (along with some banter; guilty).


Look, we all want to think we are smarter than we really are. But fact is, sometimes when reading someone smarter than us, or just anyone trying to make a complex or unfamiliar point, we can’t read at the same pace as we would when speed-reading a Neil DeGrasse / Malcolm Gladwell “book”. E.g., I have to slow down to read osan. Anyway, ridiculous disclamation: me genocide no likey. Readee again.


I really feel bad that I unintentionally made you feel pressured enough to post again. Your other post, Helmuth: “Too long,” Wonka: “Didn’t read,” was so much better, crisper, just as much content as this one, and just the perfect exit from the thread. I mean, I’m not your Boss/Mom and I’m not trying to step on her toes, just giving you my honest feedback.


What you did was so perfect, so clean. And now you’ve sullied it.


Like a fat kid in your chocolate waterfall.


Sad.

Just forced deportation for the good of the collective, then?

[TheCount]

Point is, fam, we should be wisely judging possibilities based on: What will make my country/state/community better?


...rather than “What does the ideology I am enslaved to require me to believe, in order to be righteous/‘consistent’/holier than everyone else?”



It’s just a whole different way of looking at things! Anti-modern, jarring, strange, but in the end: profoundly sane.



If this is the absolute metric, then why and how are you ruling out genocide?

[Swordsmyth]

Globalists, racists, and communists around the world freaked out after President Donald Trump, citing a segment on Fox News, publicly spoke out about the racist land grabs and brutal farm murders afflicting South Africa. As if to justify the president's ridicule of the establishment media as “fake news,” the fake-news machine kicked into overdrive last week to deny that anything bad was happening, while frantically calling everybody who notices reality a “racist” or worse. However, as this magazine has been documenting for many years (https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13280-genocide-communism-threaten-south-africa), the horrors unfolding in the new South Africa by organized racist and communist forces — all backed and facilitated by Deep State globalists in the West (https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13281-south-african-communists-friends-in-high-places) — are undeniable. And if current trends continue, the situation is likely to go from bad to worse, quickly.

Trump may have just changed the course of history.

Immediately after the proverbial genie was released from the bottle, the establishment media began furiously lashing out at Trump, Carlson, and everybody else who dared to notice what was happening. The attacks had three primary themes. The first: racist, racist, Nazi, white nationalist, white supremacy, racist, racist, racist. The second: It is OK for the regime to steal property from descendants of Europeans because some of their ancestors might have stolen some land at some point in the distant past. For the most part, this argument is a blatant lie, and even a cursory analysis of history and data proves it (https://hbooyens.wordpress.com/2018/05/27/dying-for-the-land/). The third line of attack was that there is essentially no large-scale killing of farmers. This, too, is easily disproven: Even the most brazenly pro-regime sources in South Africa acknowledge that South Africa's police statistics, which are relied upon by the agricultural union mostly quoted in the press, are deliberately manipulated.

In fact, in the 2017 to 2018 period, a recent analysis by South African news service PoliticsWeb proved the point (http://www.politicsweb.co.za/opinion/news24s-dodgy-farm-murder-report). For its analysis, the South African researchers compared the number of farm murders reported by the South African Police Service (SAPS) in certain provinces to the numbers of farm murders reported in the news in those same provinces. What they found was that there were significantly more farm murders reported in the press than by the police. This is in part, no doubt, because the South African police often falsely classify the gruesome murders as “robberies” or “accidents,” artificially keeping down the numbers. Anecdotes from crime-scene clean-up crews tell a similar story about the scale of the atrocities. Data from the Transvaal Agricultural Union (TAU) (https://opiniez.com/2018/08/26/de-plaasmoorde-in-zuid-afrika-worden-ten-onrechte-gebagatelliseerd/robertbor101/)also show an increase in violent attacks against farmers.

And any safety for farmers has not come from government aid but because farmers are increasingly well prepared to defend their homes and their families from the oftentimes unimaginably barbaric attacks, which include the savage torture and murder of babies and elderly people. There is also the fact that the number of commercial farmers today is half of what it was 15 years ago, as more and more throw in the towel and ditch what is widely considered to be the most dangerous profession in the world — being a South African commercial farmer. While the murder rate in South Africa is already among the highest on the planet, the rate for farmers is estimated to be three or more times higher than for average South Africans, and 20 times higher than the rate for people worldwide (https://www.wnd.com/2017/04/murder-rate-for-these-white-farmers-20-times-international-average/). For perspective, the data suggests that a South African farmer is more likely to be killed than a U.S. soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq. But as long as the South African government can claim it is just regular “crime,” much of the “fake news” Western press is happy to parrot the lies.

Countless establishment propaganda organs blatantly misled their readers and viewers. For instance, on the “land issue,” as it is known, virtually every “mainstream” media organ parroted variations of easily discredited falsehoods. Over and over again, readers of globalist propaganda masquerading as “news” were told that evil white racists own almost three-fourths of the land in South Africa. But of course, that is easily proven false with the government's own data (http://us-cdn.creamermedia.co.za/assets/articles/attachments/73229_land_audit_report13feb2018.pdf). It turns out that European-descent farmers own slightly more than 20 percent of the land — less than the government already owns! And even that number is misleading, because most of the land owned by white African farmers is in the desert West of the country that is too dry for much productive agriculture and where black people never lived in significant numbers until long after it was settled by European-descent Africans who began arriving in the 1600s.

Typical of the media's response was the faux outrage (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/opinion/trump-south-africa-racist-white-farmers.html) from the New York Times, which recently hired a racist who boasted publicly of the joy it brings her to be cruel to elderly white people whose skin color she hates (https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/item/29702-ny-times-stands-by-new-editor-who-sent-vile-anti-white-tweets). “Statistics vary, but what is clear is that whites, who are less than 10 percent of the population, continue to own more than two-thirds of the land,” claimed the Times editorial board in a statement. “Mr. Trump’s tweet, and the Fox show on which it was based, were bereft of any context, sympathy or understanding. They pounced, instead, on the false narratives of right-wing white South African groups claiming widespread seizures of white-owned land and a continuing 'white genocide.'”

To support its racist narrative, the Times board cited Obama's ambassador to South Africa, who now runs George Soros' extremist Open Society Foundations. Obama, of course, has a long and highly suspicious relationship with racist communists now running South Africa (https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/29634-amid-racist-land-grabs-obama-praises-south-african-strongman). Soros, meanwhile, also funds the discredited “fact checking” service “Africa Check” that appears to exist primarily to mislead the world about the gruesome attacks and systematic targeting of minorities in South Africa. Keep in mind, too, that the Times has a long and sordid history of genocide denial, with the Times' Walter Duranty famously covering up the Soviet genocide of Ukrainians (https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/8407-ukrainian-genocide-ny-times-still-covering-up) and the Times' Herbert Matthews helping to market Fidel Castro to Americans as a supposed anti-communist freedom fighter so Castro could massacre countless thousands of innocent Cubans. (https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/29204-us-globalists-put-castro-in-power-and-kept-him-there)

Perhaps the most unhinged response (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/23/17772056/south-africa-trump-tweet-afriforum-white-farmers-violence), really a temper tantrum, to the newfound attention on South Africa came from Jennifer Williams of the far-left Vox.com, which has a history of blatantly lying to readers (including about the organization that publishes this magazine) and refusing to correct the record. In her racist propaganda piece, Williams suggests that Trump is somehow a racist, Nazi, white nationalist trying to distract from his alleged legal troubles by spreading Nazi racist conspiracy theories. She refers to the undeniable racist campaign against minorities in South Africa as a “virulent, racist conspiracy theory.” And then, in what may also be one of the most bizarre statements ever made when referring to the potential for a looming genocide, the far-left propagandist concluded with this: “Whether or not it’s actually true is irrelevant.” The “it” in that sentence refers to the government-backed torture and slaughter of innocent people, including babies and elderly women, based only on nothing but their skin color (https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13280-genocide-communism-threaten-south-africa). To Williams and other enablers of genocide such as her, whether that is true or not — is irrelevant.

In South Africa, the ruling establishment, which came to power with help from U.S. Deep State globalists and mass-murdering Soviet and Chinese communists (https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13281-south-african-communists-friends-in-high-places), was similarly apoplectic that Trump dared to point out reality. “The government of South Africa wishes to caution against alarmist, false, inaccurate and misinformed, as well as — in some cases — politically motivated statements that do not reflect the policies and intentions of the South African government,” the regime said in an official statement. On Twitter, it added: “South Africa totally rejects this narrow perception which only seeks to divide our nation and reminds us of our colonial past.” Of course, what the regime did not mention is that when the descendants of Europeans voted to surrender political power, it was with the explicit agreement that property rights and minorities would be respected. The government's response also did not mention that many of its own leaders have been openly singing genocide songs for decades. Nor did it point out that the regime — an alliance of the Communist Party and the communist-controlled ANC — officially announced the start of the “Radical Second Phase” of its communist revolution in 2014. (https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/18594-south-africa-enters-second-phase-of-communist-revolution)

Also lashing out at Trump and America was genocidal Marxist-Leninist Julius Malema, the former head of the African National Congress Youth League, who now runs the even more radical Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF), the nation's third largest party. “We want to send a strong message to the USA authorities‚ just like we did to the Australian authorities: Stay out of South Africa’s domestic affairs,” warned the obscenely wealthy Malema, who loves to threaten genocide against minority communities with a grin on his face. “We must put it on record‚ unequivocally‚ [to] Donald ‘the pathological liar’ Trump: We are not scared of you and your USA or Western imperialist forces.” He also responded by claiming that “Jews” were teaching white people how to use sniper rifles to defend themselves against attackers — attacks that he cryptically suggested in public he may be helping to organize. You can watch Malema singing genocide songs advocating mass-murder against Afrikaner Boer farmers here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOaLIIxxQlQ

The globalist establishment and its racist South African allies threw a similar fit when Australian Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton pointed out the tragedy afflicting South African minorities and vowed to help the embattled farmers (https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/28538-world-finally-notices-plight-of-south-africa-s-minority-farmers) by expediting their refugee applications. “If you look at the footage and read the stories, you hear the accounts, it’s a horrific circumstance they face,” Dutton said, referring to European-descent farmers in South Africa known as Boers. “I do think, on the information that I’ve seen, people do need help and they need help from a civilized country like ours. The people we’re talking about want to work hard, they want to contribute to a country like Australia. We want people who want to come here, abide by our laws, integrate into our society, work hard, not lead a life on welfare. And I think these people deserve special attention and we’re certainly applying that special attention now.” For expressing concern for victims of the most horrifying crimes imaginable, Dutton was smeared by the South African regime as a racist.

In a follow-up segment to his report on the South African regime's racist land grabs, Carlson addressed the temper tantrum of his critics. “In an Orwellian turn, various news outlets suggested it was somehow racist to oppose the racist policies of the South African government,” Carlson explained before showing a clip of race-hustler Al Sharpton claiming that it was “neo-Nazi propaganda” to suggest white farmers in South Africa were being murdered for being white. Speaking of the regime's ongoing land heists, Carlson continued: “Everyone in the country understands what these are. They are racial attacks.” Even more ominous than what the “corrupt and incompetent” South African regime is doing, though, is how America's self-styled elites have embraced collective punishment and racism.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLnivak8A14

The New American magazine has been warning since at least 2012 about the potential for genocide and full-blown communist tyranny in South Africa (https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13280-genocide-communism-threaten-south-africa). After a fact-finding visit there, the world's leading expert on genocide provided a clear warning about what was happening — and what may be coming if something is not done. Even before the globalist Deep State and the mass-murdering communist tyrants of the world helped bring the ANC to power in South Africa (https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13281-south-african-communists-friends-in-high-places), this magazine and senior editor William F. Jasper were warning of precisely the future that is unfolding there today. While the regime and its racist and communist allies feign outrage when anybody notices reality, the intimidation campaign of hate must not be allowed to succeed. After all, the fate of the Afrikaner nation in South Africa is the canary in the coal mine for all of Western-Christian civilization (https://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/books/item/20677-what-americans-must-learn-from-south-africa-s-tragedy). Hopefully President Trump will ensure that at the very least, U.S. tax dollars and diplomatic resources do not aid and abet South Africa's looming atrocities. A campaign for Afrikaners of all races and other minorities to secede from South Africa is rapidly gaining momentum (https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/28577-secession-push-grows-as-south-african-regime-plots-land-thefts), too.

More at: https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/29886-deep-state-freaks-as-trump-slams-racist-south-africa-land-grabs

[r3volution 3.0]

I vote that Swordsmyth is posting excessively lengthy things written by other people.

[H_H]

If this is the absolute metric, then why and how are you ruling out genocide? Can anyone else answer Wonka’s Q?


Yeah, exactly, dear RPF reader. Not exactly a hard puzzle, is it?


Obviously, it is because I wisely judge that genocide would be bad for my community.


Under a paradigm where one considers “What is good for my community?” it is possible, it turns out, to come to the conclusion that roving murder gangs are, like, a bad thing, bro.


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In fact, it is amazingly easy! The concloo just rolls off the brain. It is only once one starts thinking like you, Wonka, that it becomes possible to do the opposite concloo, to say to oneself: “Hey, those guys aren’t so bad after all! Because [SJW reasons] after all. Don’cha know. Because colonialism. Because Long-range Victim Matrix Calculus 202. Because proletariat. Because racism. Because ideology ideology ideology...”


Without that brain bug, it really is not possible for any person to get to that conclusion. Not possible. Seriously, it’s a really weird place to be. Just consider how many layers upon layers of madness are required to hijack your brain to arrive at the place where you and the New York Times are at. The place where murder gangs are the good guys. Your heroes. Hail Mandela! I mean Malema. I mean... whatever, all of them. They have a dream!1!


So no surprise you are befuddled by my root-striking. Just that you used the term “absolute metric” betrays a lack of understanding. Yes, it’s a long road you’ve got ta walk, Wonka. But, best to do it betimes, when there be no short pier. The K-shift is coming. Best get walkin’, brother.

[Madison320]

So will we offer preferential refugee status to white foreigners over colored foreigners?

I think we should give preferential status to producers over parasites, regardless of skin color.

[Madison320]

Culture is the question not skin color.

I think "culture" is the wrong word. "Liberty minded" is more appropriate. I'd rather have an someone who speaks Spanish, watches soccer and runs a restaurant over someone who is speaks English, watches football, goes to church and is on the dole for his whole life.

[Swordsmyth]

I think "culture" is the wrong word. "Liberty minded" is more appropriate. I'd rather have an someone who speaks Spanish, watches soccer and runs a restaurant over someone who is speaks English, watches football, goes to church and is on the dole for his whole life.
I agree, there are important and unimportant parts of culture.

[TheCount]

Can anyone else answer Wonka’s Q?


Yeah, exactly, dear RPF reader. Not exactly a hard puzzle, is it?


Obviously, it is because I wisely judge that genocide would be bad for my community.


Under a paradigm where one considers “What is good for my community?” it is possible, it turns out, to come to the conclusion that roving murder gangs are, like, a bad thing, bro.


In fact, it is amazingly easy! The concloo just rolls off the brain. It is only once one starts thinking like you, Wonka, that it becomes possible to do the opposite concloo, to say to oneself: “Hey, those guys aren’t so bad after all! Because [SJW reasons] after all. Don’cha know. Because colonialism. Because Long-range Victim Matrix Calculus 202. Because proletariat. Because racism. Because ideology ideology ideology...”


Without that brain bug, it really is not possible for any person to get to that conclusion. Not possible. Seriously, it’s a really weird place to be. Just consider how many layers upon layers of madness are required to hijack your brain to arrive at the place where you and the New York Times are at. The place where murder gangs are the good guys. Your heroes. Hail Mandela! I mean Malema. I mean... whatever, all of them. They have a dream!1!


So no surprise you are befuddled by my root-striking. Just that you used the term “absolute metric” betrays a lack of understanding. Yes, it’s a long road you’ve got ta walk, Wonka. But, best to do it betimes, when there be no short pier. The K-shift is coming. Best get walkin’, brother.


There are many ways to conduct genocide, as I'm sure you're aware. But you're ruling them all out? There is no situation in which genocide could produce a cleaner, better society?

[H_H]

​
There are many ways to conduct genocide, as I'm sure you're aware. Why in the all the Flying Fizzy Death Camps in Munich would I “be aware” of this? Not everyone is like you, pondering how to best genocide the oompa loompas off the face of the planet. We’ll all have to defer to your expertise on this.





But you're ruling them all out? Am I? Should I? Do *you*?* I’m so confused; what should I do? Help me out here, Wonks.


* Oh, no, right: you’re here playing defense for the genociding blacks in South Africa. So.... guess not.

[TheCount]

​ Why in the all the Flying Fizzy Death Camps in Munich would I “be aware” of this? Not everyone is like you, pondering how to best genocide the oompa loompas off the face of the planet. We’ll all have to defer to your expertise on this.




Am I? Should I? Do *you*?* I’m so confused; what should I do? Help me out here, Wonks.


* Oh, no, right: you’re here playing defense for the genociding blacks in South Africa. So.... guess not.


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[H_H]

The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 2 characters.

You're going downhill in cleverness, dude. I'm just, like asking simple innocent questions like whether you recommend that I rule out genocide. Why come you won't answer my simple innocent questions? Do you or do you not disavow genocide, Wonka? Can't you just answer that simple question? Is that so hard?

[Swordsmyth]

You're going downhill in cleverness, dude. I'm just, like asking simple innocent questions like whether you recommend that I rule out genocide. Why come you won't answer my simple innocent questions? Do you or do you not disavow genocide, Wonka? Can't you just answer that simple question? Is that so hard?
His replies have been going down hill lately, if it keeps up his boss may transfer him to troll somewhere else.

[H_H]

Well, it appears that this random guy's tweet made a difference. The particular eviction plan has been halted.

Of course, there's still a genocide going on. The murder rate among white farmers is, like, 20 times the kill rate for US soldiers in the Vietnam and Iraq Wars or something like that. So... they're still getting eviction notices. Of a sort.

[Swordsmyth]

Well, it appears that this random guy's tweet made a difference. The particular eviction plan has been halted.

Of course, there's still a genocide going on. The murder rate among white farmers is, like, 20 times the kill rate for US soldiers in the Vietnam and Iraq Wars or something like that. So... they're still getting eviction notices. Of a sort.

Source?

[UWDude]

Yo UWDude! Thanks for the shout-out, bro. Hey, you ever graduate from the UW yet?


Here’s the difference between you and Wonka. For one thing, you were courageous/reckless enough to actually sincerely read what I wrote, and in doing so realized everything I was saying was pretty reasonable and thus were partially persuaded. Like Wonka, you could think of no arguments nor facts nor rebuttal of any kind to make in response. Unlike Wonka, you felt the need to counter-signal anyway. Strong need. He was happy just announcing he was ignoring the post as I, and we all, predicted. You had to compose a couple paragraphs disavowing me — Disavow! Disavow! — and accusing me of being an Ultimate Bad-Think Man. Had to. Driven.


While meanwhile there were plenty of other RPFers who read it, were plenty persuaded by it for my purposes (like, 10% persuaded let’s call it), were nevertheless profoundly uncomfortable with its implied conclusions, and yet succumbed to no need to virtue signal.


What does that tell you about yourself?


Feel free to counter-signal some more. Doesn’t hurt my feelings, and it might help you. Whatever helps you be more secure and confident.


you're all the same demon...
..pathetic, weak, stupid, and easily controlled.
What have you invented lately, white-boy?

Nothing.
Only thing you have in common with musk is skin color.
Not African.. like him... not intelligent.. like him. Just the same skin color/
So you are superior, right? Left? same shit.

Follow yet, dear leader? HH??

Yeah, I'll signal.
I'll point you out, demon.

The one who claimed the slave revolt was worse for the slaves.
Oh Haiti.

It's emotion.
I'll love blacks more than I'll ever love you.
Because I despise the weak.
Make something, be something, or STFU about your skin.

Slavery makes millions of slaves, but the greatest heroes.
What have you done, lately?

[UWDude]

Point is, fam, we should be wisely judging possibilities based on: What will make my country/state/community better?


...rather than “What does the ideology I am enslaved to require me to believe, in order to be righteous/‘consistent’/holier than everyone else?”



It’s just a whole different way of looking at things! Anti-modern, jarring, strange, but in the end: profoundly sane.




weee weee weee!

We should be!

We we we!

We who!?

Who you talking about?

We!?

[UWDude]

[COLOR=#454545][FONT="][FONT="]Here’s the difference between you and Wonka. For one thing, you were courageous/reckless enough to actually sincerely read what I wrote, and in doing so realized everything I was saying

Wrong-O.

I didnt read shit.
I came here drunk and high a week ago, saw your name, recognized the demon you are, and rebuked you.

I know you are the same stupid demon that tried to tell me the slave revolt in Haiti was bad.
Same little hateful worm. Pathetic. White skin is your best ego point. You are sad.

In case anybody not getting it yet:

HH = Heil Hitler.
H is eighth letter in the alphabet.
Hence, if you see "88" or "HH" in any username or post, it's a real nazi.
Not trump is nazi! nazi.
real deal, stromfronter, Neo-nazi NN HH.

I hate the new left for the same reason I've always hated you guys.

I hate racists.

And it is because... you are just a bunch of sad, weak, liars.

And I hate the weak, and I hate liars.

[H_H]

I think we should give preferential status to producers over parasites, regardless of skin color.
:eek: Talk about “disparate impact”!! Yikes!

[H_H]

I vote that Swordsmyth is posting excessively lengthy thingsYeah, words are hard for non-readers.

[H_H]

I think "culture" is the wrong word.

The word you're looking for is actually two words:

Deoxyribonucleic acid.

"The genes hold culture on a leash." E.O. Wilson

[H_H]

Source?

Do I have to do everything around here?

Here's the Daily Mail (http://archive.is/J1hs8) on it, dude:


South Africa has withdrawn its white farmland redistribution bill – six days after Donald Trump warned he was closely studying the situation.

The ruling African National Congress (ANC) said the bill passed by parliament in 2016 enabling the state to make compulsory purchases of land to redress racial disparities in land ownership needed further consideration.


It comes after Trump criticised the country’s land reform plans in a tweet that touched on the overwhelmingly white ownership of farmland in South Africa – one of the most sensitive issues in the country’s post-apartheid history.



-- http://archive.is/J1hs8

[H_H]

What have you invented lately, white-boy?

Why come you assume my race? That's sad face. And illegal in Canada. Don't get yourself arrested, bro!

But since you ask, my invention of the day is: A combination network hard drive (NAS) and router, wherein the hard drive consists of multiple disks in a redundant RAID Z3 configuration, and the router is a planet in an Urbit galaxy. The data is furthermore automatically backed up remotely over UDP using the Ames protocol, stored in encrypted form on a peer-to-peer network made up of all the other devices that are online -- a distributed "cloud" of sorts. Key unique benefit: the reliability of redundant cloud server computing, but without the sacrifice of privacy which that otherwise requires.

Also: a low-drag visor that will block precipitation from ever even reaching the windshield, maintaining perfect visibility. Like a ball-cap bill for cars. Or alternatively a virtually dragless static electricity envelope which would likewise accomplish the same goal by re-directing all the precipitation away from the windshield.

So two inventions of the day today. :) What do you think? Either have potential?

[Swordsmyth]

Do I have to do everything around here?
;)



Here's the Daily Mail (http://archive.is/J1hs8) on it, dude:

South Africa has withdrawn its white farmland redistribution bill – six days after Donald Trump warned he was closely studying the situation.

The ruling African National Congress (ANC) said the bill passed by parliament in 2016 enabling the state to make compulsory purchases of land to redress racial disparities in land ownership needed further consideration.


It comes after Trump criticised the country’s land reform plans in a tweet that touched on the overwhelmingly white ownership of farmland in South Africa – one of the most sensitive issues in the country’s post-apartheid history.



-- http://archive.is/J1hs8
Thank You.

[Swordsmyth]

The word you're looking for is actually two words:

Deoxyribonucleic acid.

"The genes hold culture on a leash." E.O. Wilson
The question is how long that leash is.

[H_H]

I came here drunk and high a week ago

Don't do that, man. It's poison. Seriously.

Look, I want you to succeed.

I want all of you to succeed.

Your life has a purpose. Your life has a meaning. Now get clean, get on your feet, and get at it. You can build a successful career. You can build a happy -- JOYOUS! -- family. You can have it all, but you have to build it. You also, by the way, don't have to tell everyone in the world how much you support Trump all the time. That is not going to be helpful to your success opportunities in life, not at this point in time. Keep it to yourself. Hide your power level. Just work on succeeding in life, on making yourself into a great man. Stay away from the poisons; they won't help you.

You can do it. And your - our - time will come.

Hail Victory.

Your Friend,

Helmuth_Hubener

[otherone]

weee weee weee!

We should be!

We we we!

We who!?

Who you talking about?

We!?

Argumentum ad populum. Or the Royal "We". Or a sympathetic mouse in his pocket.

[H_H]

Argumentum ad populum. Or the Royal "We". Or a sympathetic mouse in his pocket.
It means “you and me,” otherone. Sigh. Wow.

[otherone]

It means “you and me,” otherone.

lol. wuuut?

[Swordsmyth]

William Hutt, the late University of Cape Town economist who was an anti-apartheid voice within the academic community, wrote in his 1964 book, titled The Economics of the Colour Bar, that one of the supreme tragedies of the human condition is that those who have been the victims of injustices or oppression "can often be observed to be inflicting not dissimilar injustices upon other races." In 2001, Andrew Kenny wrote an article titled "Black People Aren't Animals — But That's How Liberals Treat Them (https://rense.com//general21/abi.htm)." Kenny asked whether South Africa is doomed to follow the rest of Africa into oblivion. Kenny gave a "no" answer to his question, but he was not very optimistic because of the pattern seen elsewhere in sub-Saharan Africa. He argued that ordinary Africans were better off under colonialism. Colonial masters never committed anything near the murder and genocide seen under black rule in Rwanda, Burundi, Uganda, Nigeria, Mozambique, Somalia and other countries, where millions of blacks have been slaughtered in unspeakable ways, including being hacked to death, boiled in oil, set on fire and dismembered. Kenny said that if as many elephants, zebras and lions were as ruthlessly slaughtered, the world's leftists would be in a tizzy. Ghanaian economist George Ayittey expressed a similar complaint in his book Africa Betrayed: "White rulers in South Africa could be condemned, but not black African leaders guilty of the same political crimes." Moeletsi Mbeki, a brother of former South African President Thabo Mbeki's and deputy chairman of the South African Institute of International Affairs, an independent think tank based at the University of the Witwatersrand, said (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3679706.stm) in 2004 that Africa was in a spiral of decline. "The average African is poorer than during the age of colonialism," he said.

More at: https://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/opinion/item/29975-south-africa-question

[H_H]

As in:

I want you to succeed. I want me to succeed. I want us here on RPF to be happy. We should try to see reality as clearly and as accurately as we can, so as to be able to productively interface with said reality.

That’s all, man. No argument. Just good vibes. Nice Latin, though.