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Swordsmyth
08-14-2018, 07:16 PM
A bombshell grand jury report (http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/local/report-on-pennsylvania-church-sex-abuse/2319/) from the Pennsylvania Supreme Court concludes that over 300 members of the Catholic clergy molested over 1,000 child victims amid a "systematic" coverup by church leaders spanning over seven decades - in the second major Catholic pedophile scandal this week following a raid conducted in Chile at the Catholic Episcopal Conference (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-14/chile-catholic-episcopal-conference-raided-pedophile-priest-probe).
Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro said at a Tuesday press conference in Harrisburg that while 1,000 victims were identified in the grand jury report, members of the grand jury believe there are more - and that the real number might be "in the thousands" since some records were lost, while victims in other cases were afraid to come forward.
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/shapiro.jpg

We subpoenaed, and reviewed, half a million pages of internal diocesan documents. They contained credible allegations against over three hundred predator priests. Over one thousand child victims were identifiable, from the church’s own records. We believe that the real number — of children whose records were lost, or who were afraid ever to come forward — is in the thousands.
"The coverup was sophisticated. And all the while, shockingly, church leadership kept records of the abuse and the coverup. These documents, from the dioceses' own 'Secret Archives,' formed the backbone of this investigation," Shapiro said.
The report specifically faulted Cardinal Donald Wuerl - former longtime Pittsburgh bishop who now leads the Washington archdiocese, for his part in concealing the sexual abuse. On Tuesday, Wuerl refuted the claims, saying in a statement that he "acted with diligence, with concern for the victims and to prevent future acts of abuse."

The grand jury scrutinized abuse allegations in dioceses that minister to more than half the state's 3.2 million Catholics. Its report echoed the findings of many earlier church investigations around the country in its description of widespread sexual abuse by clergy and church officials' concealment of it.
The panel concluded that a succession of Catholic bishops and other diocesan leaders tried to shield the church from bad publicity and financial liability by covering up abuse, failing to report accused clergy to police and discouraging victims from going to law enforcement. -CTV News (https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/report-identifies-more-than-1-000-victims-of-priest-abuse-in-pennsylvania-1.4052641#_gus&_gucid=&_gup=twitter&_gsc=2vQNmCR)
The almost 1,400 page report's introduction notes that due to the age of most of the cases, that criminal cases will be unlikely as a result of the massive investigation. "As a consequence of the coverup, almost every instance of abuse we found is too old to be prosecuted," it reads. Indeed, the vast majority of priests named in the document are either dead or likely to avoid arrest due to expired statutes of limitation on their alleged crimes.

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-14/over-300-catholic-pedos-preyed-upon-1000-children-amid-systematic-coverup-pa-report

Anti Globalist
08-14-2018, 07:30 PM
Hope they all rot in jail.

spudea
08-14-2018, 07:34 PM
A scandal would be if allegations were reported to police and the police did nothing. If most of these cases were mediated between the victim and the church to an agreed upon resolution, why should the state get involved? I guess the scandal is a state crime was committed and instead of involving the state the church sought a resolution themselves. Not long ago the catholic church was the state so I can see how they might feel they are superior.

specsaregood
08-14-2018, 07:39 PM
The report specifically faulted Cardinal Donald Wuerl - former longtime Pittsburgh bishop who now leads the Washington archdiocese, for his part in concealing the sexual abuse.

Washington DC. Of course, where else would you send somebody for successfully covering up child abuse.

kpitcher
08-14-2018, 09:49 PM
A scandal would be if allegations were reported to police and the police did nothing. If most of these cases were mediated between the victim and the church to an agreed upon resolution, why should the state get involved? I guess the scandal is a state crime was committed and instead of involving the state the church sought a resolution themselves. Not long ago the catholic church was the state so I can see how they might feel they are superior.

Wouldn't a private mediation only be settling the civil matter and not the criminal matter? I'm surprised the church didn't clean house better after the last pope had to resign over the problems he swept under the rug.

Swordsmyth
08-18-2018, 01:57 AM
Unlike most commentators and reporters, I have read most of the Pennsylvania grand jury report. The purpose of this statement is to debunk many of the myths, and indeed lies, that mar the report and/or interpretations of it.
Myth: Over 300 priests were found guilty of preying on youngsters in Pennsylvania.
Fact: No one was found guilty of anything. Yet that didn't stop CBS from saying "300 'predator priests' abused more than 1,000 children over a period of 70 years." These are all accusations, most of which were never verified by either the grand jury or the dioceses.
The report, and CBS, are also wrong to say that all of the accused are priests. In fact, some were brothers, some were deacons, and some were seminarians.
How many of the 300 were probably guilty? Maybe half. My reasoning? The 2004 report by the John Jay College for Criminal Justice found that 4 percent of priests nationwide had a credible accusation made against them between 1950-2002. That is the figure everyone quotes. But the report also notes that roughly half that number were substantiated. If that is a reliable measure, the 300 figure drops to around 150.
During the seven decades under investigation by the grand jury, there were over 5,000 priests serving in Pennsylvania(this includes two dioceses not covered in the report). Therefore, the percent of priests who
had an accusation made against them is quite small, offering a much different picture than what the media afford. And remember, most of these accusations were never substantiated.
Importantly, in almost all cases, the accused named in the report was never afforded the right to rebut the charges. That is because the report was investigative, not evidentiary, though the report's summary suggests that it is authoritative. It manifestly is not.
The report covers accusations extending back to World War II. Almost all the accused are either dead or have been thrown out of the priesthood. For example, in the Diocese of Harrisburg, 71 persons are named: 42 are dead and four are missing. Most of those who are still alive are no longer in ministry.
There are some cases that are so old that they are unbelievable. Consider the case of Father Joseph M. Ganter. Born in 1892, he was accused in 2008 by an 80-year-old man of abusing him in the 1930s.
Obviously, nothing came of it. But the priest was accustomed to such charges.
In 1945, at the request of Father Ganter, a Justice of the Peace interviewed three teenage males who
had made accusations against him. Not only did they give conflicting stories, the three admitted that they
were never abused by Ganter. But don't look to the media to highlight this case, or others like it.

Myth: The report was warranted because of the on-going crisis in the Catholic Church.
Fact: There is no on-going crisis—it's a total myth. In fact, there is no institution, private or public,
that has less of a problem with the sexual abuse of minors today than the Catholic Church. How do I know?
Over the past two years, .005 percent of the Catholic clergy have had a credible accusation made against him. No one knows exactly what the figure is for other institutions, but if there were a grand jury investigation of the sexual abuse of minors in the public schools, people's heads would explode—it
would make the Catholic Church's problems look like Little League. But no district attorney or attorney general has the guts to probe the public schools.
To single out the Catholic Church—without ever investigating any other institution—is akin to doing an investigation of crime in low-income minority neighborhoods while allowing white-collar crimes committed in the suburbs to go scot-free, and then concluding that non-whites are criminally prone. That would be a scam. So is cherry picking the Catholic Church.
Myth: The grand jury report was initiated to make theguilty pay.
Fact: False. It has nothing to do with punishing the guilty. Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh "Salacious" Shapiro admitted on August 14 that "Almost every instance of child abuse (the grand jury) found was too old to be prosecuted." He's right. But he knew that from the get-go, so why did he pursue this dead end?
Why did he waste millions of taxpayer dollars in pursuit of alleged offenders when he knew he couldn't do anything about it? Because he, and his predecessor, Kathleen Kane (who is now in prison for lying under oath and misusing her Attorney General's office) wanted to shame the Catholic Church.
Kane and Shapiro have never sought to shame imams, ministers, or rabbis—they just want to shame priests. Nor will they conduct a probe of psychologists, psychiatrists, camp counselors, coaches, guidance counselors, or any other segment of society where adults routinely interact with minors.
Shapiro, and those like him, are delighted with all the salacious details in the report. When it comes to non-priests, news reports on sexual misconduct typically note that a sexual offense has occurred, but readers are spared the graphic accounts. Not when it comes to priests—they love to get as explicit as they can.
It's not just Shapiro who is interested in appealing to the prurient interest of the public. The lead story in the August 15 edition of the New York Times is another case in point: on the front page there is a photo of a handwritten note by a young male who describes how and where a priest allegedly touched him. Yet when accusations surface against the likes of Harvey Weinstein, all that is noted is the nature of the offense.
Myth: Shapiro is seeking to right these wrongs by pushing for legislation that would suspend the statute of limitations for sexual crimes against minors, allowing old cases to be prosecuted.
Fact: This is one of the most bald-face lies of them all. Neither Shapiro, nor Pennsylvania lawmaker
Mark Rozzi, who is proposing such legislation, has ever included the public schools in these proposed bills—they only apply to private [read: Catholic] institutions.
In most states, public school students have 90 days to report an offense. That's it. Which means it is too late for a student raped by a public school teacher to file suit if the crime occurred this year at the start of
the baseball season. Public institutions are governed under the corrupt doctrine of sovereign immunity, and few politicians have the courage to challenge it.
In the few instances where states have included the public schools in such legislation, guess who goes bonkers? The public school establishment. The teachers' unions, school superintendents, principals—they all scream how utterly unfair it is to roll back the clock and try to determine if the accused is guilty of an offense that took place decades ago. They are right to do so; lucky for them they are rarely called to action.
The reason we have statutes of limitation is because many witnesses are either dead or their memories have faded. The public school industry understands the importance of this due process measure, and rightfully protests when it is in jeopardy. So why is it that when bishops make the exact same argument, they are condemned for obstructing justice? The hypocrisy is nauseating.
Myth: The priests "raped" their victims.
Shapiro said that "Church officials routinely and purposely described the abuse as horseplay and wrestling and inappropriate contact. It was none of those things." He said it was "rape." Similarly, the
New York Times quoted from the report saying that Church officials used such terms as "horseplay" and "inappropriate contact" as part of their "playbook for concealing the truth."
Fact: This is an obscene lie. Most of the alleged victims were not raped: they were groped or otherwise abused, but not penetrated, which is what the word "rape" means. This is not a defense—it is meant to set the record straight and debunk the worst case scenarios attributed to the offenders.
Furthermore, Church officials were not following a "playbook" for using terms such as "inappropriate contact"—they were following the lexicon established by the John Jay professors.
Examples of non-rape sexual abusefound in the John Jay report include "touching under the victim's clothes" (the most common act alleged); "sexual talk"; "shown pornography"; "touch over cleric's clothes"; "cleric disrobed"; "victim disrobed"; "photos of victims"; "sexual games"; and "hugging and kissing." These are the kinds of acts recorded in the grand jury report as well, and as bad as they are, they do not constitute "rape."
As for the accusation that Church officials described sexual misconduct as "horseplay," one would think that there would be dozens of examples in the report where officials described what happened as nothing more than "horseplay," especially if it is part of the Church's "playbook."
Here's the truth: In over 1300 pages, the word "horseplay" appears once! To top it off, it was used to describe the behavior of a seminarian, not a priest.
Myth: The abusive priests were pedophiles.
Fact: This is the greatest lie of them all, repeated non-stop by the media, and late-night talk TV hosts.
There have been two scandals related to the sexual abuse of minors in the Catholic Church. Scandal I involves the enabling bishops who covered it up. Scandal II involves the media cover-up of the role played by gay molesters.
Let me repeat what I have often said. Most gay priests are not molesters, but most of the molesters have been gay. Not to admit this—and this includes many bishops who are still living in a state of denial about it—means the problem will continue. Indeed, there are reports today about seminaries in Boston and Honduras that are disturbing.
How do I know that most of the problem is gay-driven? The data are indisputable.
The John Jay study found that 81 percent of the victims were male, 78 percent of whom were postpubescent. Now if 100 percent of the victimizers are male, and most of the victims are postpubescent males, that is a problem called homosexuality. There is no getting around it.
How many were pedophiles? Less than five percent. That is what the John Jay study found. Studies done
in subsequent years—I have read them all—report approximately the same ratio. It's been a homosexual scandal all along.
It won't help to say that the John Jay report did not conclude that homosexuals committed most of the offenses, even though their own data undercut their interpretation. The professors played the self-identity
game: they said that many of the men who had sex with adolescent males did not identify as gay. So what?
If a straight priest who abused a teenage girl said he thinks of himself as gay, would the researchers list him as such? Self-identification that does not square with the truth is a lie. I recently spoke to a person in
the media about this. I told him that I consider myself to be a Chinese dwarf—even though it is obvious that I am a big Irishman—and asked if he would describe me that way in his story. He got my point.
Shapiro fed the myth about this being a "pedophile" scandal when he said the victims were "little boys and girls." This is a lie. Anyone who actually reads the report knows it is a lie. Most were postpubescent. This doesn't make the molestation okay—the guilty should be imprisoned—but it is wrong to give the impression that we are talking about 5-year-olds when more typically they were 15-year-olds.
The New York Times, which has been covering up for homosexuals for decades, found it convenient to highlight the minority of cases where females were allegedly abused. So did many in the media who take their talking points from the Times.
The Times is so dishonest that it mentionsa "sadomasochistic clerical pedophile ring in Pittsburgh that photographed boys they had posed to look like Jesus Christ, then gave them gold crosses to show they
had been groomed." The section of the report that discusses this alleged offense cites Father Gregory Zirwas as the ringleader.
Every person whom he groped was a teenager, meaning this was a homosexual ring. But, of course, the unsuspecting reader doesn't know this to be the case.
In short, this is a ruse: the Times wants the reader to believe that this is a pedophile problem, and that females are as much at risk as males, thus discounting homosexuality. This is patently untrue, but it feeds the lie that this is not a homosexual scandal. Italso allows people like Anthea Butler, who calls God a "white racist," to say, "The Catholic Church is a pedophile ring."
Myth: Bishops who sent abusive priests back into ministry did so out of total disregard for the well-being of the victims.
Fact: This lie is perpetuated by the grand jury report when it ridicules bishops for having priests "evaluated" at "church-run psychiatric centers." The fact is that in the period when most of the abuse occurred—the mid-1960s to the mid-1980s—almost all persons in authority who dealt with sexual offenses, in any institution, relied on the expertise of those in the behavioral sciences.
Quite frankly, it was a time when therapists oversold their level of competence, and many continue to do so. There were very few psychologists or psychiatrists at the time who didn't overrate their ability to "fix" offenders. It was they whom the bishops relied upon for advice. Yet the media rarely hold them accountable for misleading Church lawyers and the bishops.
Myth: Cardinal Donald Wuerl is so guilty that he needs to resign.
Fact: This accusation, made by a CBS reporter, as well as others, is based on pure ignorance, if not malice. Shapiro played the same game when he lamented how "Bishop Wuerl" became "Cardinal Wuerl" after he allegedly "mishandl[ed] abuse claims." This is a scurrilous statement.
No bishop or cardinal in the nation has had a more consistent and courageous record than Donald Wuerl in addressing priestly sexual abuse. Moreover, the grand jury report—even in areas that are incomplete and unflattering—does nothing to dispute this observation.
Why do I call Wuerl "consistent and courageous"? Because of Wuerl's refusal to back down to the Vatican when it ordered him to reinstate a priest he had removed from ministry; this occurred in the early1990s when Wuerl was the Bishop of Pittsburgh. The Vatican reconsidered and agreed with his assessment.
Who, in or out of the Catholic Church, has ever defied his superiors, risking his position within the company or institution, over such matters? Wuerl did. Who in Hollywood or in the media has?
The people now attacking Wuerl are doing so for one reason: as the Archbishop of Washington, he is
the biggest fish the critics have to fry.
Here's one more nugget. Shapiro proved how dishonest he is when he refused to excise a baseless charge against Wuerl. There is a handwritten note in the report attributed to Wuerl about his alleged "circle of secrecy" involving a priest who was returned to ministry. But it is not Wuerl's handwriting. More important, Wuerl's legal counsel informed Shapiro that "the handwriting does not belong to then-Bishop Wuerl," but nothing was done to correct the record. So they intentionally misled the public.
Conclusion:
The guilty should pay, and the innocent should not. This is a pedestrian axiom that is being trashed today when it comes to assessing priestly misconduct, something the Pennsylvania grand jury report has contributed to mightily.
No amount of compassion for those who have been violated by priests should ever be done at the expense of telling the truth, no matter how unpopular it may sound. To do otherwise is cowardly, shameful, and unjust.
What is driving the current mania over this issue is not hard to figure out. I am a sociologist who has been dealing with this issue for a long time, having published articles about it in books and international journals.
Here is what's going on. There are many vicious critics of the Catholic Church who would like to weaken its moral authority, and will seize on any problem it has to discredit its voice. Why? They hate its teachings on sexuality, marriage, and the family.
These very same people delight in promoting a libertine culture, one which ironically was the very milieu that enticed some very sick priests and their seminarian supervisors to act out in the first place.
There is nothing wrong with Catholic teachings on this subject: If priests had followed their vows, and not their id, we would not have this problem. Those who refuse to use the brakes God gave them, straight or gay, should be shown the gate or never admitted in the first place.

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/bill-donohue/catholic-leagues-bill-donohue-debunks-pennsylvania-report-clergy-sex-abuse

Firestarter
08-18-2018, 03:36 AM
The “hiddden” genocide of Native American children in Catholic residential schools in Canada is well-documented and includes sexual abuse.
It is estimated that since the end of the nineteenth century some 50,000 Native American children were killed, while on top of that also a lot of potential mothers were sterilized.

In 1910, D.C. Scott declared:
It is readily acknowledged that Indian children lose their natural resistance to illness by habitating so closely in these schools, and that they die at a much higher rate than in their villages. But this alone does not justify a change in the policy of this Department, which is geared towards the final solution of our Indian Problem. http://canadiangenocide.nativeweb.org/genocide.pdf

samforpaul
08-19-2018, 01:35 AM
"No one knows exactly what the figure is for other institutions, but if there were a grand jury investigation of the sexual abuse of minors in the public schools, people's heads would explode—it
would make the Catholic Church's problems look like Little League. But no district attorney or attorney general has the guts to probe the public schools."

Perhaps the most thought-provoking comment from the cnsnews article you shared, Swordsmyth. Thanks.

pcosmar
08-19-2018, 10:40 AM
Ok .. I'm 61,, (officially this month)

I was raised in the Catholic Church,,, Though I reject it , I am not asleep or unaware of my surroundings.

I have seen this circling of wagons before. The church is "Too Big to Fail" and will be bailed out.. like every other time in every other city,,Relocate, silence the story,, rinse and repeat.

Danke
08-20-2018, 08:42 AM
6089

Philhelm
08-20-2018, 01:58 PM
But if any of this were to happen in Hollywood, or I daresay, by politicians, it would be a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory.

TheCount
08-20-2018, 05:33 PM
But if any of this were to happen in Hollywood, or I daresay, by politicians, it would be a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory.
If it happened in the basement of a pizza place with no basement, this would be a 20 page thread.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
08-21-2018, 04:33 PM
If it happened in the basement of a pizza place with no basement, this would be a 20 page thread.


Red herring. Neg rep.

Firestarter
08-28-2018, 09:28 AM
Buzzfeed did an investigation that focuses on the abuse at St. Joseph’s Orphanage, Burlington, Vermont.
People who grew up in orphanages said they:
Were made to kneel or stand for hours, sometimes with their arms straight out holding boots, books or other items;
Had to eat their own vomit;
Were dangled upside down out windows;
Were locked in cabinets, closets, attics, sometimes for days;
Had lit matches against their skin;
Were sexually abused;
Were Mutilated.

Sally Dale told that she once saw a boy thrown through the fourth-floor window at St. Joseph’s: “He kind of hit, and — And then he laid still”. A nun was looking down.
Sally told about the “swimming lessons”, where children “learned” to swim by throwing them in Lake Champlain from a rowboat. Once a little boy didn’t come up again. After Sally asked what happened to him, she was told: “Oh, don’t worry, the nun said. He’s gone home for good”.
A little girl was pushed down the stairs by a nun and was badly injured. When the girl didn’t return from hospital, the nuns explained to her: “The girl’s family had taken her home for good”.

Sally recalled that Sister James Mary beat her with a strap – too many times to count.
Sally said she was forced to go into the fire pit and her snow pants caught on fire. A couple of weeks later, the nuns pulled blackened skin off her arms and legs with tweezers. They told her this is because she was a “bad girl”.
Sally remembered that she was forced to eat her own vomit.
Sally also told of a little boy who was electrocuted, whom she had to kiss in his coffin.

Sally pointed out her scars in front of the camera:
Here was where Sister Blanche pressed the iron into her hand;
Her pinkie was broken after Sister Claire had kicked her legs out from under her on the ice;
Scars from slapping out the fire on her snow pants;
Her rib injury from where the nuns had pounded her with fists;
Her wrist had been broken,
Scars on the knuckles of both hands;
A fractured knee.

In the early 1950s, Joseph Barquin spent a few years at St. Joseph’s.
Barquin recalled a girl who was thrown down stairs, and remembered the blood that trickled from her nose and ear afterward.
He saw a little boy shaken into shock.
He saw other children beaten.
A nun once took Barquin into an anteroom under the stairs and fondled him, and then she cut him with something very sharp. He remembered that there was blood everywhere.

Three women recalled that a girl was placed facedown over a desk and beaten with a piece of wood and after it broke with a paddle.
A child at St. Joseph’s was punched in the face.
Another child was held upside down out a window.
Multiple witnesses recalled a nun standing on a boy’s leg until it broke.
One child was tied to a bed with no mattress and beaten.
A nun held a child’s head underwater, while other nuns covered babies’ mouths until they turned blue.
Adams hung a boy from the ceiling and tied a string to his penis. As he pulled on the string, the boy swung back and forth and smacked repeatedly into a hot bulb that was hanging behind him. Adams said: “It’s just a learning”.

Marian Maynard told that Gilbert died after he was beaten by a nun.
Dale Greene told attorneys that a counsellor assaulted him in his bed in the boys dorm at St. Joseph’s probably 10 or 20 times.

16 male clergy members who had lived or worked at St. Joseph’s or Don Bosco — a boys home on the same grounds as St. Joseph’s — had been accused of sexual assault of minors. Another 5 laymen who had worked at the orphanage were accused or convicted of child sexual abuse.

In 1998, a federal judge ruled that the church didn’t have to turn over the letters on the abuse and that St. Joseph’s victims couldn’t prosecute them together in a consolidated trial. This effectively made their case impossible
Private settlements could be as little as a few thousand dollars. Government bodies have rarely pursued the allegations.
One plaintiff said in court that she was raped by a nun when she was 5, but because she couldn’t tell how far the nun had put her finger in her vagina this wasn’t taken serious.
Sally Dale’s case was dismissed because of the statute of limitations and lack of evidence.

In 1998, a UK government inquiry, cited “exceptional depravity” at 4 homes run by the Christian Brothers order in Australia. The inquiries focused primarily on sexual abuse, not physical abuse or murder, but the reports showed almost limitless harm that was the result of systemic abuse.
The brothers once held a competition on who could rape a boy 100 times.

In Canada 5,000 “Duplessis orphans” who had previously shown normal intelligence were diagnosed as “mentally handicapped”. These victims organised their protests collectively: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/christinekenneally/orphanage-death-catholic-abuse-nuns-st-josephs

Swordsmyth
10-12-2018, 04:20 PM
Pope Francis on Friday accepted the resignation of Washington DC archbishop Donald Wuerl, who has been blamed for not doing enough to deal with paedophile priests.Cardinal Wuerl, 77, had offered to resign on September 21 after facing strong criticism over a report detailing mass sexual abuse cases when he was a bishop in Pennsylvania.
Francis finally accepted his resignation on Friday in a letter in which he praised Wuerl's "nobility" and said the cardinal would stay on until his successor is appointed.
Wuerl said in a statement that he was "deeply touched" by the pope's letter and that his replacement would "allow all of the faithful, clergy, religious and lay, to focus on healing and the future".
He also apologised for "any past errors in judgement".

More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-accepts-resignation-us-cardinal-over-abuse-cover-163404859.html

ThePaleoLibertarian
10-12-2018, 04:21 PM
Time to bring back the Inquisition and purge the heretics.

dannno
10-12-2018, 04:36 PM
If it happened in the basement of a pizza place with no basement, this would be a 20 page thread.

There is a newspaper article quoting Alefantis, he said they buy tons of tomatoes during harvest and store them in the basement.

However, technically, there is no basement. There are subway tunnels under the restaurant though.

There is video of people going to Comet Pizza, and then going into the old subway tunnels underneath which are accessible from doors behind the restaurant.

Subway tunnels are even creepier because they lead to other parts of the town and they would literally be able to smuggle children through them.

But you wouldn't know that, because all you listen to is the establishment media. Because you are a tool and you have nothing to offer in discussions.

TheCount
10-12-2018, 07:14 PM
There is a newspaper article quoting Alefantis, he said they buy tons of tomatoes during harvest and store them in the basement.

Nope. 2 seconds on google proves you wrong.


Like Pastan, James Alefantis, owner of Comet Ping Pong in D.C., doesn't build his pizza sauce with DOP San Marzanos. For seven years, he has been buying late-harvest tomatoes from Toigo Orchards in Shippensburg, Pa., and canning them at nearby Stello Foods for use at Comet. Last year, Alefantis estimates, he bought 12 tons of Toigo tomatoes, which Stello turned into sauce and canned before trucking the jars to the basement at Buck's Fishing & Camping, Alefantis' other restaurant nearby.
http://www.philly.com/philly/food/restaurants/20130822_San_Marzanos_vs__juicy_local_heirlooms.ht ml?amphtml=y



There is video of people going to Comet Pizza, and then going into the old subway tunnels underneath which are accessible from doors behind the restaurant.

Which was reverse-engineered into pizzagate beliefs after the entirely made-up beliefs about its supposed basement were proven wrong.


Subway tunnels are even creepier because they lead to other parts of the town and they would literally be able to smuggle children through them.

Literally. Literally smuggle children.

But not operate a pedo ring inside the shop in its basement, or fuck and kill children in the basement, or any of the other pizzagate claims which involved basements.

dannno
10-12-2018, 07:29 PM
Which was reverse-engineered into pizzagate beliefs after the entirely made-up beliefs about its supposed basement were proven wrong.



No, the subway tunnels are the basement. It acts as a basement, but since it's a subway tunnel they claimed they didn't have a basement. They should have said, "we don't have a basement, just an old subway tunnel that we have access to from behind the restaurant." It's intellectually dishonest, just like you.

Pauls' Revere
10-12-2018, 07:50 PM
How can we destroy the church?

TheCount
10-12-2018, 07:59 PM
No, the subway tunnels are the basement. It acts as a basement, but since it's a subway tunnel they claimed they didn't have a basement. They should have said, "we don't have a basement, just an old subway tunnel that we have access to from behind the restaurant." It's intellectually dishonest, just like you.
The kids-and-people-who-fuck-kids traffic to and from the abandoned subway entrance ruins the supposed purpose of the kids-fucking parties at a kid friendly establishment. What is the purpose of smuggling the kids to the pizza place if you can't fuck and/or kill them at the pizza place?

Pauls' Revere
10-12-2018, 08:08 PM
Hope they all rot in jail.

Who said they were going to jail?

Pauls' Revere
10-12-2018, 08:12 PM
Where is the same outrage demonstrated by the left over Kavanaugh's allegations over the Catholic Church's abuse? Why is there not the same level of disgust and anger over this as there was over Dr. Ford & Kavanaugh?

Where? where is it?

Probably in the same place as the Anti - War Movement.

Anti Federalist
10-12-2018, 09:14 PM
Where is the same outrage demonstrated by the left over Kavanaugh's allegations over the Catholic Church's abuse? Why is there not the same level of disgust and anger over this as there was over Dr. Ford & Kavanaugh?

Where? where is it?

Probably in the same place as the Anti - War Movement.

Because the majority of Catholic abuse was carried out by homosexuals, a protected leftist victim class.

Swordsmyth
10-19-2018, 11:09 PM
On Thursday, the U.S. Justice Department began an investigation into alleged child sex abuse by priests in Pennsylvania, and have subpoenaed at least seven of the eight Catholic dioceses in the state, according to several Roman Catholic Church dioceses.
The Archdiocese of Philadelphia, along with the dioceses of Allentown, Erie, Greensburg, Harrisburg, Pittsburgh, and Scranton acknowledged they had received federal subpoenas on Thursday.
“The Diocese of Pittsburgh has received the subpoena from the US Department of Justice and will cooperate fully with any and all investigations of the sexual abuse of minors by clergy in Pennsylvania,” said spokesman Rev. Nicholas S. Vaskov.
The investigation is the first statewide probe by federal authorities on the allegations of sex abuse being covered up by the Catholic Church, according to groups that represent abuse victims.

More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/justice-department-opens-probe-on-catholic-church-sex-abuse-in-pennsylvania/

Swordsmyth
01-12-2019, 06:01 PM
The Archdiocese of Washington confirmed on Thursday night that outgoing Archbishop Donald Wuerl had been made aware in 2004 about credible accusations of sexual misconduct and pederasty against now-disgraced former Cardinal Theodore McCarrick.

A former priest, Robert Ciolek, who was abused by McCarrick as a seminarian, informed the Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/2019/01/10/b542cbba-1513-11e9-803c-4ef28312c8b9_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.11a7b49a163e) that he was made aware of a document in the possession of the Diocese of Pittsburgh documenting Wuerl’s knowledge of his claims against McCarrick dating back to 2004. Since then, Wuerl was promoted to Archbishop of Washington, succeeding McCarrick.

Wuerl claimed that the revelations of recurring abuse allegations against McCarrick came as news to him. He said in June that “no claim — credible or otherwise — has been made against Cardinal McCarrick during his time here in Washington.”

The document described by Ciolek would expose the retiring Archbishop’s statement about abuse allegations against McCarrick as a red-handed lie.

More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/catholic-archbishop-knew-of-abuse-allegations-against-cardinal-for-years/