Politico: "Rand Paul has persuaded the president that we are not for regime change in Iran"

[jct74]

The Rand-Trump alliance bursts into view
Enemies on the 2016 campaign trail, the Kentucky senator and the iconoclastic president have developed a quiet Washington friendship.

By ELIANA JOHNSON
08/08/2018

He infuriates West Wing aides who have had to scramble to win his support for key votes, but Rand Paul has the ear, and the affection, of the most important person in the White House: President Donald Trump.

Once bitter rivals on the Republican campaign trail, the Kentucky senator and the commander-in-chief have bonded over a shared delight in thumbing their noses at experts the president likes to deride as “foreign policy eggheads,” including those who work in his own administration.

When Trump dismissed national security adviser H.R. McMaster in March, replacing him with John Bolton, he told McMaster, “Look, he’s a hawk, you’re hawk, I can handle you guys,” according to a White House aide. While Trump tolerates his hawkish advisers, the aide added, he shares a real bond with Paul: “He actually at gut level has the same instincts as Rand Paul.”

Paul has quietly emerged as an influential sounding board and useful ally for the president, who frequently clashes with his top advisers on foreign policy. His relationship with Trump, developed via frequent cell phone calls and over rounds of golf at the president’s Virginia country club, became publicly apparent for the first time on Wednesday when the senator announced he had hand-delivered a letter to the Kremlin on Trump’s behalf.

Both Paul and Trump routinely rail against foreign entanglements, foreign wars, and foreign aid – positions characterized as isolationist by critics and as “America First” by the president and his supporters.

Even where they disagree, Paul has extracted small victories.

Trump has drawn praise from the right-wing establishment for hammering the mullahs in Tehran, junking the Iran nuclear deal and responding to the regime’s saber rattling with aggressive rhetoric of his own, warning Iranian president Hassan Rouhani on Twitter last month in all caps that future threats would be met with “CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE.”

But Trump has stopped short of calling for regime change even though Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Secretary of Defense James Mattis, and Bolton support it, aligning with Paul instead, according to a GOP foreign policy expert in frequent contact with the White House. “Rand Paul has persuaded the president that we are not for regime change in Iran,” this person said, because adopting that position would instigate another war in the Middle East.

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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/08/rand-paul-trump-russia-putin-768472

[juleswin]

Who do u think has more influence on Trump? Bolton and Netanyaho who he appointed and loves 1000% or Rand Paul who at one time he asked the ppl of Kentucky to primary.

I will like to see tangible victories like the reinstatement of the nuclear deal and end to sanctions.

[AuH20]

Who do u think has more influence on Trump? Bolton and Netanyaho who he appointed and loves 1000% or Rand Paul who at one time he asked the ppl of Kentucky to primary.

I will like to see tangible victories like the reinstatement of the nuclear deal and end to sanctions.

A good question, but I believe Trump's heart to be closer to Rand's worldview.

[shakey1]

Rand is making important inroads.

[juleswin]

A good question, but I believe Trump's heart to be closer to Rand's worldview.

When u actually examine his actions, u will see that he is much closer to his neocon buddies than Rand. Look at policies cabinet appointees, judges etc and u will see what I am talking about.

Actions speak louder than words.

[timosman]

When u actually examine his actions, u will see that he is much closer to his neocon buddies than Rand. Look at policies cabinet appointees, judges etc and u will see what I am talking about.

Actions speak louder than words.

A never happy commie. :rolleyes:

[Aratus]

If Rand Paul runs for and wins a 3rd and then a 4th term as KY's senator,
eventually he will be KY's SENIOR senator. Seniority = senatorial power

[Krugminator2]

W Look at policies cabinet appointees, judges etc and u will see what I am talking about.

Actions speak louder than words.

His judges have been great. By all accounts from libertarians, his lower court appointees are about as good as they get. Gorsuch is great. We'll see with Kavanaugh. If you are complaining about his judge picks then you are just a perpetual whiner.

[Cleaner44]

Who do u think has more influence on Trump? Bolton and Netanyaho who he appointed and loves 1000% or Rand Paul who at one time he asked the ppl of Kentucky to primary.

I will like to see tangible victories like the reinstatement of the nuclear deal and end to sanctions.

I think you are wrong here. Trump doesn't hire people like H.R. McMaster and John Bolton because is loves them or their views. Trump hires all kinds of people with viewpoints that can be valuable. He has always done this. He hires people that have expertise in areas and he listens to their opinions and then makes his own decisions. Sometimes he takes their advice and other times to ignores them, because he trusts his own instincts and judgement over all others.

Trump has for decades made a point to get so-called "expert opinions" and gather information from all sides. Then he makes his decisions. This is just part of his process that has helped him get to where he is today.

I am no fan of McMaster or Bolton, but I can see how it would be valuable to get their input and understand where they are coming from. Being ignorant to that point of view does not make one stronger.

[juleswin]

His judges have been great. By all accounts from libertarians, his lower court appointees are about as good as they get. Gorsuch is great. We'll see with Kavanaugh. If you are complaining about his judge picks then you are just a perpetual whiner.

Judge Roberts was also fantastic conservative judge too until he sided with Obama care. They haven't been tested and from what I have read about his nominations, I doubt they would be any good.

Perpetual whiner? More like perpetual pessimist. I see corrupt people every where in Washington and a president who I believe have let the swamp capture him. If the same advisers telling him to nominate ppl like Pompeo and to continue the economic warfare on Russia are the same ppl advising him on the judge candidates? Then I have no faith in those new judges.

[juleswin]

I think you are wrong here. Trump doesn't hire people like H.R. McMaster and John Bolton because is loves them or their views. Trump hires all kinds of people with viewpoints that can be valuable. He has always done this. He hires people that have expertise in areas and he listens to their opinions and then makes his own decisions. Sometimes he takes their advice and other times to ignores them, because he trusts his own instincts and judgement over all others.

Trump has for decades made a point to get so-called "expert opinions" and gather information from all sides. Then he makes his decisions. This is just part of his process that has helped him get to where he is today.

I am no fan of McMaster or Bolton, but I can see how it would be valuable to get their input and understand where they are coming from. Being ignorant to that point of view does not make one stronger.

Lemme guess, u must be one of those people that also believed that GW Bush stacking his administration with 10 out of the 20 signatories to PNAC doc was also him hiring them for their opinion. Sorry not buying it.

The neocon members of his administration dont just affect him but also cabinet members down the line. They affect people who collect and analyze intelligence report and for example with the case of Skripal make the wrong conclusion about the culprit.

You are the company u keep and his company is filled with zionists and neocons.

[timosman]

You are the company u keep and his company is filled with zionists and neocons.

And no amount of your whining will change that. :cool:

[Jamesiv1]

The MAGA is strong in this thread.

[jct74]

Rand Paul Against the World
A new report suggests the Kentucky senator is singlehandedly preventing war with Iran.

By JACK HUNTER
August 10, 2018

Not long ago, Donald Trump’s national security advisor John Bolton was promising regime change in Iran by the end of this year. Uber-hawk Bolton has long wanted war with Tehran. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo isn’t much different, and has even advocated bombing Iran. Secretary of Defense James Mattis has previously recommend U.S. airstrikes against Iranian targets.

Today, Bolton says the U.S. does not to seek regime change in Iran. So does Pompeo. So does Mattis.

Why?

President Trump has been known to be hawkish on Iran. Politico observed Wednesday: “Trump has drawn praise from the right-wing establishment for hammering the mullahs in Tehran, junking the Iran nuclear deal and responding to the regime’s saber rattling with aggressive rhetoric of his own….” There are also powerful factions in Congress and Washington with inroads to the president that have been itching for regime change for years. “The policy of the United States should be regime change in Iran,” says Senator Tom Cotton, once rumored to be Trump’s pick to head the CIA.

So what, or who, is stopping the hawks?

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read more:
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/rand-paul-against-the-world/

[William Tell]

read more:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/08/rand-paul-trump-russia-putin-768472


read more:
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/rand-paul-against-the-world/ Good job Rand, if true the most significant foreign policy accomplishment by a Paul or the liberty movement.

[TER]

Trump/Paul 2020

[Cleaner44]

Lemme guess, u must be one of those people that also believed that GW Bush stacking his administration with 10 out of the 20 signatories to PNAC doc was also him hiring them for their opinion. Sorry not buying it.

The neocon members of his administration dont just affect him but also cabinet members down the line. They affect people who collect and analyze intelligence report and for example with the case of Skripal make the wrong conclusion about the culprit.

You are the company u keep and his company is filled with zionists and neocons.

You are not a very good guesser it seems. Don't worry about buying anything that I am not selling, that no problem.

Trump keeps all kinds of company, not just neocons. Trump keeps company with Rand Paul... does that make him a libertarian magically as well?

Trump has an evangelical Vice President... does that make him a bible thumper too?

Is Jim Mattis a neocon? Is Ben Carson a neocon?

What I see is Trump hiring Republicans experienced at high level positions. I don't see him replicating Bush.

Are you of the opinion that Trump is acting like neocon as President?

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

Rand Paul who at one time he asked the ppl of Kentucky to primary.


Bullsh1t. Never happened.

[eleganz]

Who do u think has more influence on Trump? Bolton and Netanyaho who he appointed and loves 1000% or Rand Paul who at one time he asked the ppl of Kentucky to primary.

I will like to see tangible victories like the reinstatement of the nuclear deal and end to sanctions.

Being able to buy insurance across state lines, in large associations and repealing the Obamacare mandate isn't tangible enough that Rand does in fact influence Trump on a policy level?

I don't expect a win on every single libertarian issue, let's be realistic. Headlines like these would've been coveted at the height of this movement, suddenly, its just not enough and more tangible victories are needed.

Lol, purist libertarianism is insufferable. We're lucky to have someone both idealistic and realistic like Rand.

[RonPaulMall]

I think you are wrong here. Trump doesn't hire people like H.R. McMaster and John Bolton because is loves them or their views. Trump hires all kinds of people with viewpoints that can be valuable. He has always done this. He hires people that have expertise in areas and he listens to their opinions and then makes his own decisions. Sometimes he takes their advice and other times to ignores them, because he trusts his own instincts and judgement over all others.


I think you are being far too generous with this assessment. Trump hires people like McMaster and Bolton because the last time he hired a guy with views Trump actually supports the Deep State instigated an illegal spying operation against him and eventually had him removed from office. Just giving the Deep State their appointments is the path of least resistance. Trump can always ignore their advice.

Trump clearly likes Rand. Whenever other Senators hold out or oppose him on something Trump goes in to attack mode but when Rand does it Trump lets it slide. They hang out all the time and Trump trusting Rand to deliver a letter to Putin is a huge sign of trust and respect.

The other day Trump Tweeted that he is ready and willing to talk to the Mullahs whenever they want (about new nuclear deal). This is very much NOT something the Neocons would be pleased with. Their position is that Iran must be defeated (not just the government, but the county itself under any government) and that any talk or deals are futile.

[juleswin]

Being able to buy insurance across state lines, in large associations and repealing the Obamacare mandate isn't tangible enough that Rand does in fact influence Trump on a policy level?

I don't expect a win on every single libertarian issue, let's be realistic. Headlines like these would've been coveted at the height of this movement, suddenly, its just not enough and more tangible victories are needed.

Lol, purist libertarianism is insufferable. We're lucky to have someone both idealistic and realistic like Rand.

WTF man? the cool kids around here think I am a communist and you dare call me a libertarian and a purist at that.

But no, my post was talking about foreign policy not domestic ones. But why am I not excited about those healthcare victories? for one, I think they are very small and/or bordering on insignificant ones. Obamacare was not repealed, the insurance companies are still forced to abide by many of the rules of Obamacare without benefiting from the many customers the mandate would naturally bring in. When they uphold their side of the bargain and the govt does not, they can easily win a lawsuit against the govt for breach of contract. Most likely it wouldn't even come to that, they would most likely to be bailed out with tax payers money. This is why I say the mandate repeal is a small deal.

Again, talking about tangible foreign policy gains.

[juleswin]

Bullsh1t. Never happened.

He said something like that during the elections.

[juleswin]

You are not a very good guesser it seems. Don't worry about buying anything that I am not selling, that no problem.

Trump keeps all kinds of company, not just neocons. Trump keeps company with Rand Paul... does that make him a libertarian magically as well?

Trump has an evangelical Vice President... does that make him a bible thumper too?

Is Jim Mattis a neocon? Is Ben Carson a neocon?

What I see is Trump hiring Republicans experienced at high level positions. I don't see him replicating Bush.

Are you of the opinion that Trump is acting like neocon as President?

Mike Pence is an evangelical neocon, and what about Ben Carson? The foreign policy guys he keeps company with are exclusively neocons zionists and war mongers. I am sure the Secretary of education or interior or labour etc are not necessarily neocon cos they do not have to. But with his foreign policy guys, his company is majority neocons.

He talks to Rand every once in a while, I wouldn't consider that keeping company with Rand. Case in point, to date, Rand has yet to talk Trump out of any neocon actions.

[nikcers]

Mike Pence is an evangelical neocon, and what about Ben Carson? The foreign policy guys he keeps company with are exclusively neocons zionists and war mongers. I am sure the Secretary of education or interior or labour etc are not necessarily neocon cos they do not have to. But with his foreign policy guys, his company is majority neocons.

He talks to Rand every once in a while, I wouldn't consider that keeping company with Rand. Case in point, to date, Rand has yet to talk Trump out of any neocon actions.
There haven't been any new Middle East wars

[Cleaner44]

Mike Pence is an evangelical neocon, and what about Ben Carson? The foreign policy guys he keeps company with are exclusively neocons zionists and war mongers. I am sure the Secretary of education or interior or labour etc are not necessarily neocon cos they do not have to. But with his foreign policy guys, his company is majority neocons.

He talks to Rand every once in a while, I wouldn't consider that keeping company with Rand. Case in point, to date, Rand has yet to talk Trump out of any neocon actions.

So you are you of the opinion that Trump is acting like neocon as President?

[juleswin]

So you are you of the opinion that Trump is acting like neocon as President?

Yes, finally someone gets what I am have been saying for years now. Just like Obama and Bush, Trump's foreign is in line with the neocons.

[juleswin]

There haven't been any new Middle East wars

And?

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

He said something like that during the elections.

Still bullsht. That never happened.

[Krugminator2]

Yes, finally someone gets what I am have been saying for years now. Just like Obama and Bush, Trump's foreign is in line with the neocons.

Why would the neocons hate a person with their foreign policy? Last I checked, he didn't do much with Syria. The sanctions from Russia were basically forced by a unanimous Congress vote. He is brokering peace in North Korea. He did break up the Iran Deal.

Trump has generally good instincts on foreign policy and on balance isn't doing much wrong. Saying Trump's foreign policy is anything like Bush's is factually wrong. There is plenty to say about Trump but that he is like Bush on foreign policy is indisputably incorrect.

[Jamesiv1]

Yes, finally someone gets what I am have been saying for years now. Just like Obama and Bush, Trump's foreign is in line with the neocons.
You would be wise to practice restraint when discussing the MAGA.

[Swordsmyth]

Rand has yet to talk Trump out of any neocon actions.
How would you know?
We can't exactly give you a list of things that didn't happen, if we tried you would just dismiss it.

[RonPaulMall]

How would you know?
We can't exactly give you a list of things that didn't happen, if we tried you would just dismiss it.

Very true. If the Neocons had their way, we would be actively fighting Syria in Syria (rather than just squatting on part of their territory). Be in a shooting war with Russia over Ukraine, and have invaded Iran and North Korea already. That would be our reality if Hillary had won.

[Swordsmyth]

Very true. If the Neocons had their way, we would be actively fighting Syria in Syria (rather than just squatting on part of their territory). Be in a shooting war with Russia over Ukraine, and have invaded Iran and North Korea already. That would be our reality if Hillary had won.

It might have happened if Rand didn't influence Trump but it is impossible to prove that, I for one am grateful that Rand decided to play "good cop" so that Trump would listen to him.

[timosman]

It might have happened if Rand didn't influence Trump but it is impossible to prove that, I for one am grateful that Rand decided to play "good cop" so that Trump would listen to him.

It's funny to see so many people affected by TDS while Rand is carrying Trump's letters to Moscow. :D

[juleswin]

Very true. If the Neocons had their way, we would be actively fighting Syria in Syria (rather than just squatting on part of their territory). Be in a shooting war with Russia over Ukraine, and have invaded Iran and North Korea already. That would be our reality if Hillary had won.

The US officially started occupying Syrian land not during the neocon Obama' admin but during Trump's. Remember neocon Bush planned on occupying 7 countries in 5 years but the plan ran into some resistance. Even though they would like to occupy every country in the world, they can only do so much with the resistance they are facing.

I cannot foresee Hillary doing much worse than Trump in terms of foreign policy.

[angelatc]

The US officially started occupying Syrian land not during the neocon Obama' admin but during Trump's. .


Go back to your own world where your imaginary friends think you're something special in a good way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/10/us/politics/us-adds-200-troops-syria-isis.html


U.S. to Send 200 More Troops to Syria


The United States is sending 200 additional troops to Syria, nearly doubling the Pentagon’s presence there, to help thousands of Kurdish and Arab fighters massing for an assault on the Islamic State’s stronghold of Raqqa, Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter said here on Saturday.

[timosman]

I cannot foresee Hillary doing much worse than Trump in terms of foreign policy.


I can not foresee anybody being more deranged. Sorry r3v3.0 and aratus. :D

[angelatc]

Very true. If the Neocons had their way, we would be actively fighting Syria in Syria (rather than just squatting on part of their territory). Be in a shooting war with Russia over Ukraine, and have invaded Iran and North Korea already. That would be our reality if Hillary had won.

This. We'd be at war with Russia over Ukraine and also because they're allied with Syria.

[juleswin]

Go back to your own world where your imaginary friends think you're something special in a good way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/10/us/politics/us-adds-200-troops-syria-isis.html

We have troops in Somalia but we aren't officially occupying it. What I mean by occupation is what is going on east of the Euphrates were we have troops and military bases and have officially told the Syrian govt that they cannot go east of the river.

This started under Trump and not Obama.

[angelatc]

You would be wise to practice restraint when discussing the MAGA.

I'll take "Things Neocons Would Never Say For $1000," Alex:

What is: (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/04/04/u-s-troops-syria-and-what-they-doing-there/486763002/)

“I want to get out,” Trump said. “I want to bring our troops back home. I want to start rebuilding our nation.”

[angelatc]

We have troops in Somalia but we aren't officially occupying it. What I mean by occupation is what is going on east of the Euphrates were we have troops and military bases and have officially told the Syrian govt that they cannot go east of the river.

This started under Trump and not Obama.

I know exactly what you meant. You meant you were going to cherry pick a definition that suited your hallucination.

[juleswin]

I know exactly what you meant. You meant you were going to cherry pick a definition that suited your hallucination.

Kettle calling pot black again. It is because of gullible and taken people like yourself that I now read this forum with a sharp pin ready to test reality whenever I start reading posts from the Trumpsters. It seems like I am not the only one hallucinating around here, the only problem for you is that my hallucination is closer to reality than your hallucinations. I actually try to test my bias every so often and I am willing to bet that the people in your camp will sleep through the Trump admin never to wake up.

I know the nuance in my post must be very hard to pick up for people who see every illegal immigrant as an invading agent in this country.

[juleswin]

I can not foresee anybody being more deranged. Sorry r3v3.0 and aratus. :D

At least he is not calling me a communist. #winning

[angelatc]

. It seems like I am not the only one hallucinating around here, the only problem for you is that my hallucination is closer to reality than your hallucinations.

You said we didn't have ground troops in Syria. I proved we did. But I'm hallucinating.

Go away.

[timosman]

You said we didn't have ground troops in Syria. I proved we did. But I'm hallucinating.

Go away.

I wonder sometimes why the biggest morons from the entire internet descend on RPF. Are they are exploiting RPF tolerance? They would be instantly banned from any other forum even if it was on their side of the political spectrum. :confused:

[juleswin]

You said we didn't have ground troops in Syria. I proved we did. But I'm hallucinating.

Go away.

Show me where I said we didn't have ground troops in Syria? dropping some serious truth bombs on this site must be making you very uncomfortable :)

[nikcers]

I wonder sometimes why the biggest morons from the entire internet descend on RPF. Are they are exploiting RPF tolerance? They would be instantly banned from any other forum even if it was on their side of the political spectrum. :confused:

They are designed that way to make us all feel like the political opposition is stupid so we get complacent and think that people can't learn and underestimate their worth.

[edalonzo]

Rand, is unfortunately wrong here. The USG, along with its Saudi and Israeli allies should continue to pressure the regime so that it finally dismantles. Iran is not our friend.

[edalonzo]

You said we didn't have ground troops in Syria. I proved we did. But I'm hallucinating.

Go away.

It's good that we have troops in Syria. Trump is wise to keep them there to keep Iran and Syria check against our ally, Israel.

[dannno]

Rand, is unfortunately wrong here. The USG, along with its Saudi and Israeli allies should continue to pressure the regime so that it finally dismantles. Iran is not our friend.

I hate to break it to you, but the USG, Israel and Saudi Arabia are not our friends either.

[edalonzo]

I hate to break it to you, but the USG, Israel and Saudi Arabia are not our friends either.

They absolutely are. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise. If they weren't our friends, Trump would sanction them.

[LibertyEagle]

A good question, but I believe Trump's heart to be closer to Rand's worldview.

I think so too and if anyone actually listened to him talk about foreign policy issues when he was running for President, they'd know that. Thomas Massey hailed him for what he said. Now, he needs to clear out the war-mongering globalists from his circle and get us out of the Middle East. And may God protect him as he does, because there are going to be a number of people wanting to stop him.

[edalonzo]

Now, he needs to clear out the war-mongering globalists from his circle and get us out of the Middle East.

That would be an epic mistake of geopolitical proportions. Luckily, Trump is intelligent enough to know that Israel and Saudi Arabia are important allies for the US and that must be maintained against the barbaric anti-Semites there.

[nikcers]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GoodnaturedMassiveAlligator-size_restricted.gif

[devil21]

That would be an epic mistake of geopolitical proportions. Luckily, Trump is intelligent enough to know that Israel and Saudi Arabia are important allies for the US and that must be maintained against the barbaric anti-Semites there.

Shalom!

Are they close allies because the same people that govern Israel also govern Saudi Arabia? Hmmm.....

[edalonzo]

Shalom!

Are they close allies because the same people that govern Israel also govern Saudi Arabia? Hmmm.....

I don't get into conspiracy theories, just history. Historically, Persians have always been the enemies of the Jews and Persians have also tried to influence Phonecia and ancient parts of the Middle East which Israel now has a strong state. Therefore, it is imperative that Israel ally with the Arabs against Iran. Not all of the Arabian tribes are anti-Semitic and the ones running Saudi are surely not.

[edalonzo]

Shalom!

Are they close allies because the same people that govern Israel also govern Saudi Arabia? Hmmm.....

I don't get into conspiracy theories, just history. Historically, Persians have always been the enemies of the Jews and Persians have also tried to influence Phonecia and ancient parts of the Middle East which Israel now has a strong state. Therefore, it is imperative that Israel ally with the Arabs against Iran. Not all of the Arabian tribes are anti-Semitic and the ones running Saudi are surely not.

Rand Paul should also visit Saudi Arabia and make a strong stand against Iran, if he wants to get anywhere fruitful in his career.

[Influenza]

I don't get into conspiracy theories, just history. Historically, Persians have always been the enemies of the Jews and Persians have also tried to influence Phonecia and ancient parts of the Middle East which Israel now has a strong state. Therefore, it is imperative that Israel ally with the Arabs against Iran. Not all of the Arabian tribes are anti-Semitic and the ones running Saudi are surely not.

Rand Paul should also visit Saudi Arabia and make a strong stand against Iran, if he wants to get anywhere fruitful in his career.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great_in_the_Bible

Lol. You probably could have replaced "Persians" with ANY other ethnic group and been less wrong. Why do I know more about your stupid book than zioretards like yourself?

[edalonzo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great_in_the_Bible

Lol. You probably could have replaced "Persians" with ANY other ethnic group and been less wrong. Why do I know more about your stupid book than zioretards like yourself?

Reported for antisemitism.

[angelatc]

Reported for antisemitism.

That didn't end well.

[Krugminator2]

You know what would be real smart of Rand is if he were super duper "principled" and appealed to "libertarians" who masturbate into socks all day instead of actually doing stuff like this and influencing policy. I would like to hear from more political experts who went to political training about how Rand is doing the wrong thing.

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[Aratus]

I honestly think he talked DJT out of jumping poor Iran out of the blue.