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AuH20
08-08-2018, 01:33 PM
Just when Rand is about to meet Putin. You can't make this shit up.

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Brian4Liberty
08-08-2018, 01:36 PM
Wonder what Peter Van Buren would say about this? Guess we won’t find out on Twitter.

AuH20
08-08-2018, 01:40 PM
He's one bipolar SOB! This just broke!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-administration-hit-russia-new-sanctions-skripal-poisoning-n898856

Zippyjuan
08-08-2018, 01:57 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-administration-hit-russia-new-sanctions-skripal-poisoning-n898856


The decision could bolster President Donald Trump's claim that despite the noise of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian election meddling, which Trump has called a "witch hunt," his administration has been tough on Moscow in practice and has hit hard when needed.

But Trump had to be nudged by Congress into unleashing the penalties after blowing more than a month past a statutory deadline. The government had two months after a formal congressional request in March for Trump to determine whether Russia had violated international law. After the deadline came and went with no response, Trump was called out in late July by House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Ed Royce, NBC News first reported.

It was a rare instance of friendly fire by a fellow Republican, as members of Trump's party grew increasingly frustrated with his handling of Russia after his Helsinki summit with Putin in June. Royce, who faulted Trump for failing to make use of existing sanctions authorities on Russia, had urged Trump to comply by midday Wednesday.

The sanctions are structured in two tranches, laid out in a 1991 law, the Chemical and Biological Weapons and Warfare Elimination Act. An initial, immediate round limits exports and financing but may have limited impact, because it largely overlaps with other restrictions already in place, such as on selling arms to Russia.

The biggest impact from the initial sanctions is expected to come from a ban on granting licenses to export sensitive national security goods to Russia, which in the past have included items like electronic devices and components, along with test and calibration equipment for avionics. Prior to the sanctions, such exports were allowed on a case-by-case basis.

That new prohibition could cut off hundreds of millions of dollars in future exports to Russia, said a senior State Department official.

A second, more painful round kicks in three months later unless Russia provides "reliable assurances" that it won't use chemical weapons in the future and agrees to "on-site inspections" by the U.N. — conditions unlikely to be met. The second round of sanctions could include downgrading diplomatic relations, suspending state airline Aeroflot's ability to fly to the U.S, and cutting off nearly all exports and imports.

juleswin
08-08-2018, 03:18 PM
Considering that Trump already agreed with the globalist conclusion to this story. How is this a surprise?

Zippyjuan
08-08-2018, 03:27 PM
Considering that Trump already agreed with the globalist conclusion to this story. How is this a surprise?

Also if he did nothing it would add to the impression that he has some sort of connection with Putin. He had to make at least a token move (he has put this off for more than two months already).

phill4paul
08-08-2018, 03:29 PM
Let us see the PROOF. Something that is sorely lacking in this day and age.

dannno
08-08-2018, 03:36 PM
He's one bipolar SOB! This just broke!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-administration-hit-russia-new-sanctions-skripal-poisoning-n898856

Who is bipolar, Pompeo?


Secretary of State Mike Pompeo signed off on a determination that Russia violated international law by poisoning the former spy, Sergei Skripal, and his daughter in March, officials said, a decision that was announced Wednesday afternoon by State Department spokesperson Heather Nauert.

juleswin
08-08-2018, 03:38 PM
Also if he did nothing it would add to the impression that he has some sort of connection with Putin. He had to make at least a token move (he has put this off for more than two months already).

Silly reply to my post. Trump said "Russia likely did it, Russia did it" a few days after the incident. Would it have killed him to wait until a proper investigation was done before blaming anyone? Nothing would have looked out of place had he waited for a real investigation.

Zippyjuan
08-08-2018, 03:42 PM
Will Russia extradite the suspects? (Don't count on it).

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/aug/06/uk-poised-to-ask-russia-to-extradite-salisbury-attack-suspects


UK poised to ask Russia to extradite Salisbury attack suspects

The British government is poised to submit an extradition request to Moscow for two Russians suspected of carrying out the Salisbury nerve agent attack that left one person dead and four injured, according to Whitehall and security sources.

The move comes after months of painstaking investigation by hundreds of officers from the police and the intelligence agencies. They have pieced together the movements of the two Russians, from their entry into the UK through to their departure.

The Crown Prosecution Service, which prepared the extradition request, has completed the process and is ready to file, the sources said.




Putin rejected a similar extradition request in 2007 for two Russians suspected of being behind the 2006 assassination with polonium of the former FSB officer Alexander Litvinenko in London.


A security source said the attack on the Skripals was ordered by the GRU, Russia’s military intelligence service, rather than the FSB, which is roughly equivalent to MI5. Skripal, a former GRU colonel, was turned by the UK overseas intelligence agency, MI6. The GRU has a history of conducting crude revenge attacks on those who have betrayed it.

The Russian government insists it will not extradite any Russian citizen, although it has occasionally made exceptions.

Litvinenko fled from Moscow in 2000 and became a leading Putin critic in exile in Britain. The journalist and writer was employed by MI6, reportedly as an expert on Russian organised crime.

In May 2007, the Foreign Office put in a formal request for the extradition of Andrei Lugovoi, who was the main suspect and is now a Russian MP. Moscow refused and the UK responded by expelling four Russian diplomats.

Another extradition request in connection with Litvinenko was made in 2012 for Dmitry Kovtun, but it was also blocked. In 2016, a public inquiry concluded that Lugovoi and Kovtun killed Litvinenko. Both deny involvement.

Elena Tsirlina, a lawyer for Litvinenko’s widow, Marina, said Russia’s response to the extradition request would be an expression of outrage. “They will move to protect the suspects and cite article 61 of the Russian constitution, which prevents Russian citizens from being extradited to another country,” she said.

More at link.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/19/skripal-novichok-suspects-identified-cctv-cameras/


Novichok poisoning: Russian suspects in Skripal attack sent coded message saying 'The package has been delivered'

Russian agents responsible for the Novichok poisonings in Salisbury sent a coded message to Moscow which included the phrase, "The package has been delivered", it was claimed last night.

A British intelligence listening station based in Cyprus, allegedly picked up the message shortly after former Russian double agent, Sergei Skripal, and his daughter, Yulia, were attacked in March.

The coded dispatch helped cement suspicions that it was the Russian state behind the attempted assassination, before counter terror police using facial recognition technology and CCTV images were able to identify those responsible.

It is believed the perpetrators flew back to Russia shortly after carrying out the hit, travelling to London from Salisbury by train.

Schifference
08-08-2018, 03:44 PM
How is it that with our own affairs we go months or years and cannot come to any conclusion but when it comes to foreign activities we have definitive proof?

AuH20
08-08-2018, 05:17 PM
Who is bipolar, Pompeo?

Trump. He's been dancing on a tightrope. One minute he loves Putin and the next, he's destabilizing his economy. Sure, some of this rhetoric is an appeasement to the Neos, but he needs to make a decision.

juleswin
08-08-2018, 05:21 PM
Trump. He's been dancing on a tightrope. One minute he loves Putin and the next, he's destabilizing his economy. Sure, some of this rhetoric is an appeasement to the Neos, but he needs to make a decision.

Can u list any actions taken by Trump or his administration that tell u that he loves Putin? Dont tell me words, I am looking for actions, any actions.

Thanks.

AuH20
08-08-2018, 05:23 PM
Can u list any actions taken by Trump or his administration that tell u that he loves Putin? Dont tell me words, I am looking for actions, any actions.

Thanks.

This. But I'd like to see more independence.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-russia-israel-intelligence-share-isis-mossad-spies-sergei-lavrov-kislyak-us-a8071086.html

Swordsmyth
08-08-2018, 05:26 PM
Trump. He's been dancing on a tightrope. One minute he loves Putin and the next, he's destabilizing his economy. Sure, some of this rhetoric is an appeasement to the Neos, but he needs to make a decision.

Until he achieves more swamp draining he has to walk that tightrope just to stay in office.

juleswin
08-08-2018, 05:34 PM
This. But I'd like to see more independence.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-russia-israel-intelligence-share-isis-mossad-spies-sergei-lavrov-kislyak-us-a8071086.html

Yea, the ISIS supporting Israel gave away ISIS secrets to Russia. Sorry but I don't believe a word of it. Just last week, Israel shot down an Syrian jet while attacking ISIS forces near the Golan heights. The people have yet to give up on ISIS.

Nice try.

Swordsmyth
08-08-2018, 05:40 PM
Yea, the ISIS supporting Israel gave away ISIS secrets to Russia. Sorry but I don't believe a word of it. Just last week, Israel shot down an Syrian jet while attacking ISIS forces near the Golan heights. The people have yet to give up on ISIS.

Nice try.
Trump shared the intel not Israel.

dannno
08-08-2018, 05:42 PM
Trump. He's been dancing on a tightrope. One minute he loves Putin and the next, he's destabilizing his economy. Sure, some of this rhetoric is an appeasement to the Neos, but he needs to make a decision.

What are you talking about? Trump didn't do anything. That was all Pompeo according to the article.

AuH20
08-08-2018, 05:43 PM
What are you talking about? Trump didn't do anything. That was all Pompeo according to the article.

Who is the 45th POTUS?

AuH20
08-08-2018, 05:44 PM
Trump shared the intel not Israel.

Yes, which really angered the Mossad, since they want Assad gone.

dannno
08-08-2018, 05:45 PM
Who is the 45th POTUS?

It's an article about what Pompeo did. I'm not saying Trump didn't hire the guy, but Pompeo is going to do his own thing, the way you worded it was like Trump did it himself.

AuH20
08-08-2018, 05:46 PM
It's an article about what Pompeo did. I'm not saying Trump didn't hire the guy, but Pompeo is going to do his own thing, the way you worded it was like Trump did it himself.

Trump is the boss still. He should put his foot down when Pompeo goes off the rails. This is poor leadership.

AuH20
08-08-2018, 05:48 PM
BTW Didn't Pompeo persuade Trump to fire all those cruise missiles into Syria as well? That was the report. Like I said, poor leadership. I'll hit Trump when he's wrong.

Zippyjuan
08-08-2018, 06:08 PM
Trump is the boss still. He should put his foot down when Pompeo goes off the rails. This is poor leadership.

If it is good, it was Trump. If it was bad, it was somebody else. Take the credit and deny the blame.

AuH20
08-08-2018, 09:05 PM
Sy Hersch on..................


5) On the Novichok poisoning

From the recent Independent interview — Hersh is also on the record as stating that the official version of the Skripal poisoning does not stand up to scrutiny. He tells me: “The story of novichok poisoning has not held up very well. He [Skripal] was most likely talking to British intelligence services about Russian organised crime.” The unfortunate turn of events with the contamination of other victims is suggestive, according to Hersh, of organised crime elements rather than state-sponsored actions –though this files in the face of the UK government's position.

Hersh modestly points out that these are just his opinions. Opinions or not, he is scathing on Obama – “a trimmer … articulate [but] … far from a radical … a middleman”. During his Goldsmiths talk, he remarks that liberal critics underestimate Trump at their peril.

He ends the Goldsmiths talk with an anecdote about having lunch with his sources in the wake of 9/11. He vents his anger at the agencies for not sharing information. One of his CIA sources fires back: “Sy you still don’t get it after all these years – the FBI catches bank robbers, the CIA robs banks.” It is a delicious, if cryptic aphorism.

dannno
08-09-2018, 10:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr7CIpp7Mec

Swordsmyth
08-09-2018, 04:36 PM
Russia’s embassy in the United States responded to the diplomatic escalation, calling the new U.S. sanctions "draconian" and said the reason for the new restrictions, allegations it had poisoned the Skripals in Britain, was fabricated and far-fetched, and said Washington’s "findings" against it in the Skripal case were not backed by evidence.
“On August 8, 2018 our Deputy Chief of Mission was informed in the State Department of new ‘draconian’ sanctions against Russia for far-fetched accusations of using the ‘Novichok’ nerve agent against a UK citizen,” the embassy said in a statement.
“We have grown accustomed to not hearing any facts or evidence.”
Russia’s defiant response stopped short of specific measures pending more details on the U.S. plans, although officials said Russia may also respond by imposing restrictions on trade with the U.S. under a law passed earlier this year in response to an earlier wave of penalties. RIA Novosti reported the Russia may respond to new U.S. sanctions by banning supplies of RD-180 rocket engines. As a reminder, RD-180 engines, produced by Russia’s NPO Energomash, are used in Atlas V rockets of space contractor United Launch Alliance LLC, a partnership between Boeing Co. and Lockheed Martin Corp.
“The law allows the government to take retaliatory measures that are appropriate to the sanctions pressure,” said Dmitry Mezentsev, chairman of the economic policy committee in the upper house of parliament. “The Russian economy is big and stable enough that we aren’t scared by steps like this.”
Konstantin Kosachyov, chairman of the international affairs committee in the upper house of parliament, said imposition of the new limits would amount to "the behavior of a police state."

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-09/russia-condemns-new-draconian-sanctions-may-ban-supply-rocket-engines-us

Anti Globalist
08-09-2018, 04:47 PM
Still waiting for evidence that Putin did this.