Should President Trump open McCain Vietnam files . . . (?)

[Jan2017]

For example . . .
How about 29 July 1967 . . .
I'll bet the President doesn't really know the most accurate account for history and posterity sake of the nation . . . yet.

Meet US Navy pilot John McCain "center stage" . . .
as brought to you by the USS Foresstal control tower camera(s) - except the footage now is apparently out of public domain - wtf?

https://s26.postimg.cc/nyvbk706x/mccain02.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/4499y2kz9/)

[Danke]

"Songbird McCain"

[Jan2017]

The 6:00 pm CBS Evening News for 29 July 1967 . . . Walter Cronkite reporting . . .

https://s26.postimg.cc/5uwwddchl/forrestal03.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Jan2017]

It is without doubt that pilot John McCain was cinematographically "center-stage" from the git-go . . .
it is unrefutable actually.

"The Forrestal class was the first completed class of "supercarriers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercarrier)" of the Navy, so called because of their then-extraordinarily high tonnage (75,000 tons, 25% larger than the post-World War II-era Midway class (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midway-class_aircraft_carrier)), full integration of the angled deck, very large island, and most importantly their extremely strong air wing (80–100 jet aircraft, compared to 65–75 for the Midway class and fewer than 50 for the Essex class (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essex-class_aircraft_carrier)). Source: Wikipedia

The first aircraft carrier camera accounts do not lie . . .

It was an extremely busy time aboard the USS Forrestal in July 1967 . . .
they had just loaded on to the deck replacement tonnage of a lower-grade ammunition for the aircraft the previous day
as they had used up the premium grade ammo with the President Johnson/Defense Secretary Westmoreland bombardment campaign.

The first footage that the President should see is that of the first plane about to take off on 29 July 1967
from the top camera of the aircraft carrier control tower . . .

(roll camera . . . )

What does one watch (in utter disbelief) you may ask while watching the uncensored United States Navy footage
of the USS Forrestal on 29 July 1967 . . .
(set the mood)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNNC4bpRyHg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDSzg8PqKyw

https://s26.postimg.cc/gcmy8vd95/F-4_B_of_VMFA-531_is_launched_from_USS_Forrestal_CVA-59_c1973.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

The "Seaman"/deck crew (position depicted above in stock Forrestal still jpg) is shown above . . .
and in the 29Jul67 footage from the USS Forrestal shows . . . as the first plane is soon - but never quite gets to -
(it would have NEVER been able to return to the destroyed deck IF it had taken off)
the final clearance/ok to take off . . .
from the camera on the USS Forrestal carrier control tower main cameraman . . .
instead of the above, the Navy seaman turns around and points out stretched arm to stage left (his right)
and there is - unbelievably - to my retinas burned with the imagery . . .
knowing the camera is trained on him and the plane about to takeoff and start the sorties . . .
the point at John McCain's plane.

From a legal standpoint - in a court of law - it is evidence.

There is no doubt . . . center-stage . . . aboard CV-59 - the first "super-carrier" of the US Navy -
before the big explosions . . .

in fact you could watch the missile caught on film as it errantly three foot off the aircraft carrier deck wizzes/flutters
past McCain's plane . . . watch from the main control tower camera vantage point straight above McCain in his plane
freaking out at the missile that just misses him.

The lower camera stays on McCain in his jet - with a clear view of him in the cockpit.
What the hell is McCain doing here at that time . . . is he in his cockpit still trying to start the aircraft and do what exactly . . . takeoff ?

Why ? Why the cinematographic emphasis on McCain from the very start of the enormous naval catastrophe ?

[Jan2017]

"Songbird McCain"
Fact is, yes, McCain was one of the (using his own language, btw) one of "the slippery. the slimey, and the sleazy" -
all collaborators" who were released in 1968, all except Delgado according to Rep. Dornan.
"Hero" McCain stayed with the VC.

1992 US Senate Select Committee on POW-MIAs, from the transcripts, an account by Congressman Dornan of a POW who said
"Oh my God, is that Admiral McCain's son (?) Is that Johnny (?)"

POWs could not see their own transcripts of their own de-briefings because of McCain blocking them getting all classified.
Make things classified so that no one knows.

A 401-0 vote in the House . . . with every single Republican co-sponsoring it . . .
and then, in the United States Senate . . .
"but on the Senate side we had one person standing in the way . . . and that person was John McCain."

1992 US Senate Select Committee on POW-MIAs needs to be looked at by President Trump, imho.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFM1xqqTX_g

[euphemia]

What would be the point?

[RonZeplin]

https://media.giphy.com/media/mB3DK2lZyediw/giphy.gif

[Jan2017]

What would be the point?
Really (?) - I'll give ya' the benefit of doubt that ya' jus' wanted to bump the thread


https://s26.postimg.cc/rvd8tu2tl/forrestal06.png (https://postimages.org/)

[Jan2017]

What would be the point?
fwiw, unexplicably it seemed - but understandable now -
Marines would helicopter in to a zone/area/village . . .

. . . only to be ambushed.

Your son (?) your brother (?) your cousin (?) . . . hundreds -hundreds of US GI bodybags per week is a fact.

[jkr]

What would be the point?

ACCOUNTABILITY

[Jan2017]

The camera footage of McCain in his plane still trying to get his aircraft powered up is consistent with what McCain reveals here in an interview . . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZENl6qQYM1w

That other - and now "restricted" footage does show McCain . . . after an eternity it seems of trying to power up the jet turbines . . .
finally gives up and (and in my version) finally "recognizes the "jet fuel gauge is now empty" . . .
He is seen - from the control tower camera trained on him - as he then gets out of the cockpit, and McCain slides over the nose of the aircraft -
then drops flat to the deck tarmac.
McCain is not on fire . . . but the pilot next to him . . . the pilot who left his aircraft
and was down slope on the sloped aircraft carrier deck - is doused in jet fuel and on fire.

[TBC]

[euphemia]

My father did two tours over there that we remember, plus shorter missions, so please remind me what it's like to have a dad gone to war for most of my childhood. There were times when almost every dad on our block was off to war.

There is no point to opening the McCain files. Most of the people who went over there are dead or almost so. Nobody will ever be held accountable for the obscenity of it all.

Move on. There is obscenity going on all over the world today. This is something we can stop if we hold people accountable for what is happening now.

[acptulsa]

But it still rankles to have the spoiled son of an admiral do a "wet start" just to be obnoxious to the guys behind him, start a fire, and then get in such a hurry to get out of there that he dumps his drop tank in the middle of the fire and turns it into an inferno.

It rankles even more to have a cock-and-bull story concocted to cover up his culpability in the death of so many men.

It's beyond the pale to have said spoiled son of an admiral go on to reap millions in bribes while repeatedly getting himself reelected--despite his obvious crookedness--because the media keeps insisting he's a war hero. Hell, he killed more of our sailors than the whole of the North Vietnamese forces did!

And I hate the censorship that sees all copies of the footage shot from the ship's control tower pulled from youtube just within the last decade. It's even getting hard to find diagrams of the internal layout of the A-4 Skyhawk, because the location of their fuel tanks contradicts the concocted story. I don't appreciate Memory Holes.

No, I don't agree with you that this should stay buried. Even if he's so far gone with brain cancer that he doesn't even realize what's going on, I'd dearly love to see the asshole discredited while he still lives.

I'm sick of this sacred cow.

Trump went halfway around the world and pretended to talk to Kim about nukes just to get a bunch of bones that have been in the ground 65 years. And now they're spending, what, millions? on DNA tests so families of soldiers can have 'closure'. So why can't the veterans of the U.S.S. Forest Fire who lost good friends, and the families of those lost souls, hear just once the DoD and the MSM say out loud what they already know?

[Jan2017]

My father did two tours over there that we remember, plus shorter missions, so please remind me what it's like to have a dad gone to war for most of my childhood. There were times when almost every dad on our block was off to war.

There is no point to opening the McCain files. Most of the people who went over there are dead or almost so. Nobody will ever be held accountable for the obscenity of it all.

Move on. There is obscenity going on all over the world today. This is something we can stop if we hold people accountable for what is happening now.

LOL - turn a blind eye to hold people accountable . . . so live and enjoy the lie forever.
Do whatever you need to . . . ignore all facts to keep you happy if that works.
I choose to "never forget"

The prior McCain accidents can give a clue to what happened aboard the Forrestal and in particular one could start with
his first near fatal crash short of the runway into Corpus Christi Naval Air Station.
[TBC]

[Jan2017]

The prior McCain accidents can give a clue to what happened aboard the Forrestal and in particular one could start with
his first near fatal crash short of the runway into Corpus Christi Naval Air Station.

Johnny did not "like" math or engineering . . .
How did he even graduate from the US Naval Academy in the first place, with the "misconduct" remarks ?
Johnny's 1958 USN class rank was a solid #894 out of a class of 899 (?)

Meet John McCain US Naval Academy - future USA President-hopeful though foreign-born in Panama -
"a solid 2.0 GPA . . . right in that meaty part of the curve - not showing off, not falling behind "


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXMDRbOBMno




May 3, 2018 The Washington Post
John McCain rebelled at the Naval Academy — and as a POW — long before he was a Senate maverick

Before his captivity, McCain honed the art of insubordination at a place created to pulverize individualism into obedience.

“I was really rebellious,” McCain said of his time as a midshipman at the Naval Academy, class of 1958. “I mean, really rebellious.”
Years later, he said he resented the Academy and hazing rituals that haunted him and his father.

His father, John S. McCain Jr., was an undersized but scrappy “middie” who himself earned poor marks at the Academy before he commanded all forces in Vietnam during his son’s captivity.

John S. McCain III quickly took up that mantle. He developed a reputation for partying and defying authority as he struggled to reconcile how much a career in the Navy was by his own design.

A group of rabble-rouser middies, the “Bad Bunch,” coalesced around McCain. To be around McCain away from school grounds, one classmate said, “was like being in a train wreck,” biographer Robert Timberg wrote in “John McCain: An American Odyssey (https://read.amazon.com/kp/embed?asin=B000W7KNMG&preview=newtab&linkCode=kpe&ref_=cm_sw_r_kb_dp_AT06AbHJBGH4J&tag=thewaspos09-20).”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/05/03/john-mccain-rebelled-at-the-naval-academy-and-as-a-pow-long-before-he-was-a-senate-maverick/?utm_term=.3e7349c18933

[euphemia]

LOL - turn a blind eye to hold people accountable . . . so live and enjoy the lie forever.
Do whatever you need to . . . ignore all facts to keep you happy if that works.
I choose to "never forget"

The prior McCain accidents can give a clue to what happened aboard the Forrestal and in particular one could start with
his first near fatal crash short of the runway into Corpus Christi Naval Air Station.
[TBC]

What do you want to do to people who are now no longer here? What kind of accountability is that? Hold people accountable to day for the atrocities committed today. McCain is terminally ill. What can you hope to change by raking over the past. Stop the obscenity happening now.

[tod evans]

"Songbird McCain"

Fucking rat-bastard.

[Jan2017]

What do you want to do to people who are now no longer here? What kind of accountability is that? Hold people accountable to day for the atrocities committed today. McCain is terminally ill. What can you hope to change by raking over the past. Stop the obscenity happening now.
Ignore the atrocities of the past . . . and that is the history that gets to repeat itself toady.

[acptulsa]

What do you want to do to people who are now no longer here? What kind of accountability is that? Hold people accountable to day for the atrocities committed today. McCain is terminally ill. What can you hope to change by raking over the past. Stop the obscenity happening now.

The military will spend billions to allow families of fallen service people closure, but won't sacrifice a single sacred cow for the same goal. Sad!

[Jan2017]

The military will spend billions to allow families of fallen service people closure, but won't sacrifice a single sacred cow for the same goal. Sad!

To "never leave behind a fallen soldier" is mostly an American tradition . . . ('cept for McCain's ethics)
it was not really even possible to remove the dead as much until the whirlybirds of 'Nam,
although the concept is not unknown in European military code.
https://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/60/messages/907.html



A 401-0 vote in the House . . . with every single Republican co-sponsoring it . . .
and then, in the United States Senate . . .
"but on the Senate side we had one person standing in the way . . . and that person was John McCain."

1992 US Senate Select Committee on POW-MIAs needs to be looked at by President Trump, imho.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFM1xqqTX_g

[Ender]

Ignore the atrocities of the past . . . and that is the history that gets to repeat itself toady.

True.

How about we open up a serious investigation on unconstitutional wars and hold the whole government at fault for every war from at least WWII?

[euphemia]

True.

How about we open up a serious investigation on unconstitutional wars and hold the whole government at fault for every war from at least WWII?

Starting with now and working backwards. I want to know where we are involved now, and why, and insist it be brought to an end.

[Jan2017]

Starting with now and working backwards. I want to know where we are involved now, and why, and insist it be brought to an end.
Now, about 39,000 USA troops stationed in Japan, with some 20,000 in South Korea and over 9,000 in Afghanistan.

I'd think - if anywhere - we really could use about 70,000 USA troops in Mexico instead!

[euphemia]

Nigeria—well, most of Africa. The Philippines. And why are we in Italy? Poland?

Supposedly this is counterterrorism. Link (https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2018-01-12/us-counterterrorism-forces-are-active-in-many-more-places-than-you-know)

[Ender]

Nigeria. The Philippines. And why are we in Italy?

And why do have have bases surrounding Iran? Why are we in the ME? Africa? S America?

[Swordsmyth]

What do you want to do to people who are now no longer here? What kind of accountability is that? Hold people accountable to day for the atrocities committed today. McCain is terminally ill. What can you hope to change by raking over the past. Stop the obscenity happening now.

The Truth Shall Set You Free.

All truth is important.

[Swordsmyth]

True.

How about we open up a serious investigation on unconstitutional wars and hold the whole government at fault for every war from at least WWII?


Starting with now and working backwards. I want to know where we are involved now, and why, and insist it be brought to an end.

If we can't even get the truth about the past we will never get the truth about the present with its much greater consequences.

[Jan2017]

My father did two tours over there that we remember, plus shorter missions, so please remind me what it's like to have a dad gone to war for most of my childhood. There were times when almost every dad on our block was off to war.

There is no point to opening the McCain files. Most of the people who went over there are dead or almost so. Nobody will ever be held accountable for the obscenity of it all.

Move on. There is obscenity going on all over the world today. This is something we can stop if we hold people accountable for what is happening now.

I am empathetic that it can be/is a wound that for some/many might be better not opened.

But McCain story is much, much more than that. For the USS Forrestal, history has been re-written - it is pure propaganda.

Anyone . . . say a junior high school kid wants to write a history paper and looks up the USS Forestal disaster . . .
he/she goes to the internet, does a google search, and comes back with how a missile went off and started the catastrophe.
It is selectively fed to us - maybe page 50 of the google search has something written in Swedish or something that no one even gets to.

I would love to ask McCain one simple yes/no question on what he said in the interview. . . actually a right/left question altho it could be phrased as a simple yes/no . . . "Was that the right side of your aircraft Lt. McCain ? it would seal the deal.

It is not catching him in a direct "lie" . . .

but I say his acknowledgement of the pilot adjacent to him (first that he saw) was on fire from jet fuel was a potential incriminating tidbit for the whole story, imho.
I'd already believe I know the answer by "how" he landed on the tarmac off the front nose of his plane (the left side, and facing mostly right while prone on the ground.
He would have to think a few steps ahead at what I was getting at . . . very doubtful.
But he may say like Hillary did so many times, that "he "doesn't recall"

And Lt. Caffey could handle the questioning as well . . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FnO3igOkOk

[pcosmar]

The Truth Shall Set You Free.

All truth is important.


The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. If you worship me, it will all be yours.”

You can't handle the Truth.

McCain is Wholly Understandable. The Warmongers and Thieves are wholly understandable.
They serve the master of this world..

It is the reason Ron Paul could never be elected to power.. he failed the Luke 4 Challenge. He did not bow down.

[Jan2017]

#1 May 12, 1960 - McCain first loss of aircraft

This took place while McCain, a young, unmarried officer not long out of the very bottom-of-his-class Naval Academy graduation,
was in advanced flight training at Corpus Christi, Texas.

"John McCain was training in his AD-6 Skyraider on an overcast Texas morning in 1960 when he slammed into Corpus Christi Bay and sheared the skin off his plane's wings."

McCain's explanation continues to be inconsistent with Navy determinations of the cause of his Corpus Christi aircraft
landing on the bottom of the bay. So, the McCain lie has got to be ON - he is going into politics to rule us.
A 2008 investigative piece by The Los Angeles Times uncovers that the official Navy investigation blamed the aircraft loss
and near loss of his life was due to "inattention to altitude".

An intriguing clue perhaps for the Forrestal is by his own admission McCain
I "had not read the flight manual procedure" for how to eject from this aircraft . . .
So, is Johnny McCain the first pilot who gets to eject from an aircraft that had to blow off the cockpit clear canopy
from underneath the water while the aircraft is sinking (?)

#2 December 1961 - McCain plane over Iberian Pennisula causing property damage

Disturbing because same McCain flying problem, low altitude flying at too slow airspeed, aircraft is not totalled and gets repaired -
so NOT a loss of aircraft, though.

By his own admission McCain "had cut off electricity to a great many Spanish homes and created a small international incident."

The L.A. Times, which interviewed others who were in McCain's squadron at the time, reports in 2008 that
McCain returned to the carrier "with 10 feet of power line trailing from his plane, and with a severed oil line."

#3 November 28, 1965 - McCain loss of aircraft

Another loss of aircraft, and again on a descent for landing in tidal beach areas near Chesapeake Bay -
this aircraft ends up in trees along near the beach after McCain ejects at 1000 ft

"McCain had just begun his descent over unpopulated" (Thank God !)"... tidal terrain when the engine stalled out.
He went through the standard "relight" procedure three times - FAIL.

The Navy classified it as a "routine ejection" with McCain "on a deserted beach moments before the aircraft slams into a clump of trees."

In a report dated January 18, 1966, Navy says "it could not corroborate McCain's account and after a close examination of
the aircraft engines found "no discrepancies which would have caused or contributed to engine failure or malfunction."

But that report gets re-written later.

#4 July 29, 1967 - McCain loss of aircraft aboard USS Forrestal naval catastrophe

11:20am
- The Forrestal reports a major fire on the flight deck and all ships on "Yankee Station" move to give assistance.

11:32am -

- The USS Oriskany (CVA-34) sends medical helicopter as it steams toward Forrestal and moves it's planes
if any landings are needed aboard it. (No flights had taken off from the Forrestal but they didn't know that.)

https://s26.postimg.cc/j3fo2oqah/USS_Oriskany_CVA-34_in_1967.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


https://s26.postimg.cc/kxx3yb05l/oriskany02a.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
An injured crewman from the burning U.S. Navy aircraft carrier USS Forrestal (CVA-59) is carried from U.S. Air Force Sikorsky HH-3E
Jolly Green Giant to the sick bay of USS Oriskany (CVA-34) off Vietnam, on 29 July 1967. Official U.S. Navy photo 1125494


McCain’s plane was fifth in line behind the jet blast deflector of catapult #3 aboard the Forrestal.
It was loaded with 400 gallons of jet fuel . . . but interviewed McCain said it was 200 gallons - wtf ? (the consistent mental defect relapse)
OR -
queue TopGun and the flight manual theory -gfgacts

McCain one week later on August 5, 1967 :
"When I saw LCDR Hope on the hangar deck, and I believe you can ask him about this, the first thing I said to him was,
‘Herb, I thought I had killed you.’
So I must have believed that it was from my aircraft at that time.
Then I heard so many other stories as to what happened, I didn’t believe it was my aircraft.
But at the time, I think, I believed that it was my aircraft or the one right next to it."


USN : "The first responders were Repair Party 8, led by Chief Petty Officer Gerald Farrier, who can be seen in the plat tapes
running toward McCain's Skyhawk."

This initial jet fuel fire was fought but ALL perished as the jet fuel seeped down to the hangars for two decks below and set off the explosions.

{insert USN jpg 21`1267593

The rest of the crew aboard the Forrestal would have to tackle this catastrophe without any firefighting training.


Film evidence certainly seems to refute a McCain account regarding the Zuni missile . . .
However, this story line by McCain does confirms he actually is IN the cockpit as missile goes by.

Flight operations were already stopped . . . main aircraft top control tower camera is already on McCain's aircraft.
the Zuni did not cause anything that they are saying.
Easily gonna be proved now that the whole final line can easily be shown to be a false narrative.

(get ready Johnny - hanging is SOON)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNNC4bpRyHg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAmMZ9Kz3hA





#5 October 26, 1967 - McCain loss of aircraft over Hanoi, North Vietnam /and in enemy hands

[enhanced_deficit]

Although McCain made great contributions (in bi-partisan partnership with Joe Lieberman & Lindsey Graham) for Iraqi freedom war, the way he treated MAGA POTUS was quite unfortunate:

McCain Takes Swipe At President For Vietnam 'Bone Spur' Deferment

October 23, 20173:53 AM ET
Scott Neuman


https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2017/10/23/ap_17292794132590_wide-254bca1f79e22540bd897b6dd8be300d4674e827-s800-c85.jpg

Sen John McCain, R-Ariz., returns to his office after a series of votes at the Capitol in Washington on Thursday.


https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/23/559445251/mccain-takes-swipe-at-president-for-vietnam-bone-spur-deferment

[Swordsmyth]

The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. If you worship me, it will all be yours.”


You can't handle the Truth.

McCain is Wholly Understandable. The Warmongers and Thieves are wholly understandable.
They serve the master of this world..

It is the reason Ron Paul could never be elected to power.. he failed the Luke 4 Challenge. He did not bow down.

GOD also takes a hand in choosing the leaders of this world when he feels that it is necessary.

Jeremiah
Chapter 27
4 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Jeremiah-27-4/)And command them to say unto their masters, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Thus shall ye say unto your masters;
5 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Jeremiah-27-5/)I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me.
6 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Jeremiah-27-6/)And now have I given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him.
7 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Jeremiah-27-7/)And all nations shall serve him, and his son, and his son's son, until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of him.
8 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Jeremiah-27-8/)And it shall come to pass, that the nation and kingdom which will not serve the same Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, and that will not put their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, that nation will I punish, saith the LORD, with the sword, and with the famine, and with the pestilence, until I have consumed them by his hand.
9 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Jeremiah-27-9/)Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers, which speak unto you, saying, Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon:
10 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Jeremiah-27-10/)For they prophesy a lie unto you, to remove you far from your land; and that I should drive you out, and ye should perish.
11 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Jeremiah-27-11/)But the nations that bring their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, and serve him, those will I let remain still in their own land, saith the LORD; and they shall till it, and dwell therein.


Daniel
Chapter 4 1 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-1/)Nebuchadnezzar the king, unto all people, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth; Peace be multiplied unto you.
2 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-2/)I thought it good to shew the signs and wonders that the high God hath wrought toward me.
3 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-3/)How great are his signs! and how mighty are his wonders! his kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and his dominion is from generation to generation.
4 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-4/)I Nebuchadnezzar was at rest in mine house, and flourishing in my palace:
5 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-5/)I saw a dream which made me afraid, and the thoughts upon my bed and the visions of my head troubled me.
6 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-6/)Therefore made I a decree to bring in all the wise men of Babylon before me, that they might make known unto me the interpretation of the dream.
7 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-7/)Then came in the magicians, the astrologers, the Chaldeans, and the soothsayers: and I told the dream before them; but they did not make known unto me the interpretation thereof.
8 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-8/)But at the last Daniel came in before me, whose name was Belteshazzar, according to the name of my god, and in whom is the spirit of the holy gods: and before him I told the dream, saying,
9 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-9/)O Belteshazzar, master of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in thee, and no secret troubleth thee, tell me the visions of my dream that I have seen, and the interpretation thereof.
10 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-10/)Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.
11 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-11/)The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:
12 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-12/)The leaves thereof were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all: the beasts of the field had shadow under it, and the fowls of the heaven dwelt in the boughs thereof, and all flesh was fed of it.
13 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-13/)I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven;
14 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-14/)He cried aloud, and said thus, Hew down the tree, and cut off his branches, shake off his leaves, and scatter his fruit: let the beasts get away from under it, and the fowls from his branches:
15 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-15/)Nevertheless leave the stump of his roots in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts in the grass of the earth:
16 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-16/)Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him.
17 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-17/)This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
18 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-18/)This dream I king Nebuchadnezzar have seen. Now thou, O Belteshazzar, declare the interpretation thereof, forasmuch as all the wise men of my kingdom are not able to make known unto me the interpretation: but thou art able; for the spirit of the holy gods is in thee.
19 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-19/)Then Daniel, whose name was Belteshazzar, was astonied for one hour, and his thoughts troubled him. The king spake, and said, Belteshazzar, let not the dream, or the interpretation thereof, trouble thee. Belteshazzar answered and said, My lord, the dream be to them that hate thee, and the interpretation thereof to thine enemies.
20 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-20/)The tree that thou sawest, which grew, and was strong, whose height reached unto the heaven, and the sight thereof to all the earth;
21 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-21/)Whose leaves were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all; under which the beasts of the field dwelt, and upon whose branches the fowls of the heaven had their habitation:
22 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-22/)It is thou, O king, that art grown and become strong: for thy greatness is grown, and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion to the end of the earth.
23 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-23/)And whereas the king saw a watcher and an holy one coming down from heaven, and saying, Hew the tree down, and destroy it; yet leave the stump of the roots thereof in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven times pass over him;
24 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-24/)This is the interpretation, O king, and this is the decree of the most High, which is come upon my lord the king:
25 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-25/)That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
26 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-26/)And whereas they commanded to leave the stump of the tree roots; thy kingdom shall be sure unto thee, after that thou shalt have known that the heavens do rule.
27 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-27/)Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by shewing mercy to the poor; if it may be a lengthening of thy tranquillity.
28 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-28/)All this came upon the king Nebuchadnezzar.
29 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-29/)At the end of twelve months he walked in the palace of the kingdom of Babylon.
30 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-30/)The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honour of my majesty?
31 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-31/)While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee.
32 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-32/)And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
33 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-33/)The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws.
34 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-34/)And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:
35 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-35/)And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
36 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-36/)At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellors and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.
37 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-4-37/)Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.

[Swordsmyth]

Although McCain made great contributions (in bi-partisan partnership with Joe Lieberman & Lindsey Graham) for Iraqi freedom war, the way he treated MAGA POTUS was quite unfortunate:

McCain Takes Swipe At President For Vietnam 'Bone Spur' Deferment

October 23, 20173:53 AM ET
Scott Neuman


https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2017/10/23/ap_17292794132590_wide-254bca1f79e22540bd897b6dd8be300d4674e827-s800-c85.jpg

Sen John McCain, R-Ariz., returns to his office after a series of votes at the Capitol in Washington on Thursday.


https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/23/559445251/mccain-takes-swipe-at-president-for-vietnam-bone-spur-deferment

Yes, a traitor has no right to attack a 4-F who shows more love for his country than the traitor.

[pcosmar]

GOD also takes a hand in choosing the leaders of this world when he feels that it is necessary.


Did God Destroy Job?


And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

He says He did,, even though he only Allowed Satan to attack him. Satan Attacked Job..

don't misplace blame,, God takes responsibility for his evil creation at times,,,, But Don't blame God for what Satan does.

[Swordsmyth]

Did God Destroy Job?



He says He did,, even though he only Allowed Satan to attack him. Satan Attacked Job..

don't misplace blame,, God takes responsibility for his evil creation at times,,,, But Don't blame God for what Satan does.

GOD does allow the devil to control the world to a great degree for his purposes but he also takes control himself when his plans require it or when the righteous deserve it.

Nebuchadnezzar was a better man than those who sought to seize power from him and GOD directly restored him to power when he had humbled him.

There are other examples throughout the Bible and history as well.

[Swordsmyth]

Did God Destroy Job?



He says He did,, even though he only Allowed Satan to attack him. Satan Attacked Job..

don't misplace blame,, God takes responsibility for his evil creation at times,,,, But Don't blame God for what Satan does.


GOD does allow the devil to control the world to a great degree for his purposes but he also takes control himself when his plans require it or when the righteous deserve it.

Nebuchadnezzar was a better man than those who sought to seize power from him and GOD directly restored him to power when he had humbled him.

There are other examples throughout the Bible and history as well.

Isaiah 44:28 “That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.”

King James Version (KJV)

[pcosmar]

There are other examples throughout the Bible and history as well.

There are stories throughout.. and a common theme..

The destruction of Nebuchadnezzar's empire,, as well as every one to come is also recorded.

He uses their folly to accomplish His purpose.

Don't Be a heathen,, and don't be like the heathen


Now appoint a king to judge us like all the other nations.”

And the LORD said to Samuel, “Listen to the voice of the people in all that they say to you, for it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected Me as their king.

[Swordsmyth]

There are stories throughout.. and a common theme..

The destruction of Nebuchadnezzar's empire,, as well as every one to come is also recorded.

Most societies tend to decay and end up deserving to be destroyed but it didn't happen under Nebuchadnezzar.


He uses their folly to accomplish His purpose.

Don't Be a heathen,, and don't be like the heathen

Now appoint a king to judge us like all the other nations.” And the LORD said to Samuel, “Listen to the voice of the people in all that they say to you, for it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected Me as their king.





The Israelites were not anarchic before they demanded a King, they had the judges that GOD chose for them and they had their tribal princes.

[pcosmar]

The Israelites were not anarchic before they demanded a King, they had the judges that GOD chose for them and they had their tribal princes.

I never said they were.. That is something YOU pulled out of thin air again.

I am not an anarchist.. do not believe it is possible for anarchy to exist outside of momentary chaos.

You seem fixated on it.

[Swordsmyth]

I never said they were.. That is something YOU pulled out of thin air again.

I am not an anarchist.. do not believe it is possible for anarchy to exist outside of momentary chaos.

You seem fixated on it.

I mentioned it because the LORD does choose rulers from time to time and he may keep the devil from choosing them at times when he does not interfere himself, this conversation is about who chooses the rulers in this world and the Judges were directly chosen by GOD while the tribal princes were hereditary and thus may have been chosen by GOD who determines which children are sent to which parents. (GOD also may let the devil have a hand in choosing which children are sent to ruling families but I never denied his involvement in the ruling of the world)

[Jan2017]

https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2017/10/23/ap_17292794132590_wide-254bca1f79e22540bd897b6dd8be300d4674e827-s800-c85.jpg


Songbird McCain :"I could not stop that you now know." at 1:45 courtesy of Coldplay (2002). . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d020hcWA_Wg

- and -.

"Haven't you heard (?) There is a battle of words. And most most of them are lies." at 4:17- 27 courtesy of Pink Floyd (1973)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDbeqj-1XOo

[pcosmar]

I mentioned it because the LORD does choose rulers from time to time and he may keep the devil from choosing them at times when he does not interfere himself, this conversation is about who chooses the rulers in this world and the Judges were directly chosen by GOD while the tribal princes were hereditary and thus may have been chosen by GOD who determines which children are sent to which parents. (GOD also may let the devil have a hand in choosing which children are sent to ruling families but I never denied his involvement in the ruling of the world)

and this is what makes Judgement so very interesting....all the webs untangle.

we have different perspectives.. I know what has already happened,, and am just waiting to catch up.

[Jan2017]

#3 November 28, 1965 - McCain loss of aircraft


One problem with that Thanksgiving weekend 1965 crash . . .
(Turkey day was the 25th - McCain returning to his squadron in Meridian, MS on that Sunday the 28th)

In McCain's own words . . .


Somewhere between the Eastern Shore of Maryland and Norfolk, Virginia, as I was preparing to come in and refuel,
my engine flamed out, and I had to eject at a thousand feet. The Christmas gifts were lost with my airplane."

McCain was returning from a weekend with his parents . . . it was private use of his military aircraft.



IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF CLAIMS


United States Navy, Plaintiff

v.
.
John S. McCain, Defendant

__________________________________

COMPLAINT AND CAUSE OF ACTION
DEMAND FOR JURY TRIAL
_______________________________


[Lawsuiit in equity by the United States Navy for recovery of damages caused by private use leading to destruction of government property valued at $ xx million. USN seeks recovery of full damages in equity - plus interest (1965 - 2018)

[Jan2017]

USN : "The first responders were Repair Party 8, led by Chief Petty Officer Gerald Farrier, who can be seen in the plat tapes
running toward McCain's Skyhawk."



Before the distress call to all vessels in Yankee Station ofgf trhe coast of viet BNAM'
Team 8 went to fight a jet fuel fire on the deck at about 11:03 per thois author/investigator
led by a real hero - among the millions of relo heros - including my dad

Signalman stops the very first catapult launch - of a C-130 Hercules ready for the launch, but DOES NOT give the "go" "launch" signal and
instead does a 180 turn toward control tower he knows is trained on him per protocol - and points out with his right arm.faces control tower camnmera with arm outstretched to his right - stage left
McCain never knew the tape was rolling on his #416













McCain never starts his aircraft - EVER in this catastrophe.
McCain must not know that the lower aircraft control tower has a camera on him in his plane - it was broadcast on MSNBC circa 2007/2008

Below is a sketch of the supercarrier's aft portion f the supercarrier on 29July1967done produced by an author - with I believe one problem/caveat. He has never seen actual footage of the Zuni . . . the author assumes a straight trajectory.


https://s26.postimg.cc/a79hcqhex/forrestallineupcva-59_fire_aft_deck_plan.png (https://postimages.org/)












By into the lie if you hadn't any chance to get to the control tower footage - and spread that narrative around the internets - at your own peril.

get to the tape before the censors . . .
top Navy brass has had it and has made two substantial changes to the current supercarriers . . .

A.

B.


USN : "The team simply disappeared in the blast. A number of air- and deck crew were trapped in the inferno; many died there,
some others were able to escape to the deck-edge catwalks."

Repair Party 8
Chief Petty Officer Farrier Hometown :
Seaman First Class : Hometown:




an "electrical anomaly" led to this per liars club

https://s26.postimg.cc/m94v6sb6x/mccain_666a.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Photo of PH2 Mason, USN, 29 July 1967 off coast of Vietnam.

insert jpg USN 112 67548}

Hey kids - instead of making bullchit reports for your moron teachers based on internets lies . . .

. . . check out the Farrier School . . .

USS Forrestal's Fallen Remembered at Farrier School Ceremony


\
Chief Petty Officer Gerald Farrier was the

Chief Aviation Boatswain's Mate (Handling) Gerald W. Farrier,


Any kid in the 7th grade writing a report/essay for class on the Forrestal - as does the President of the United States depicted
in this 1997 movie . . .should yell the same five words to your "teacher" :

"Enough with this anomaly horseshit !"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCKzJjaIp7k

[Jan2017]

James Vincent Forrestal was the last Cabinet-level United States Secretary of the Navy and the first United States Secretary of Defense.


USN : "The first responders were Repair Party 8, led by Chief Petty Officer Gerald Farrier, who can be seen in the plat tapes
running toward McCain's Skyhawk."



There was a jet fuel fire at least 20 minutes before the distress call according to the United States Navy, in the vicinity of #416 - that is a fact.

Time of a fire is listed as 11:00 - it is a local fire on the deck.

[Jan2017]

McCain escape out of his Skyhawk is well-documented on lower control tower camera trained on his sorry arse
But - understandably - Johnny is oblivious to the fact that the lower control tower camera has been trained on him for minutes.
His account is not congruent with the aircraft carrier cameras. (fwiw,this is not amateur - cell phone type filming in 1967)

[juleswin]

Oh yea, he should release those paper right after he has done releasing the JKF and 911 papers. Don't hold your breathe people, he might need president for life honors, a fountain of your so he can live for 1000 more years before he can release those paper.

My future reincarnated self cannot wait for this to happen :rolleyes:

[Jan2017]

Oh yea, he should release those paper right after he has done releasing the JKF and 911 papers. Don't hold your breathe people, he might need president for life honors, a fountain of your so he can live for 1000 more years before he can release those paper.

My future reincarnated self cannot wait for this to happen :rolleyes:
Your sentiment is popular . . . note however, McCain is already busted though he doesn't need to know.

[Jan2017]

11:0129July1967
"Fire on the deck - all flight operations cancelled aboard the Forrestal temporarily until further notice."

As it is on camera . . . should not be that hard . . . to determine timelines.

[Jan2017]

Big problem for McCain -






he is the plane and guy on tape - on camera from the minute that the xxxxp- aircraft prop
was to be catapaulted out of the launcher . . . and got postponed.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNNC4bpRyHg



seconfd take=offs were stopped.it is all on tape
as - the original theme about the Forrestal -
McCain's #416 was the center of attention BEFORE the dud missile went across the deck in front of McCain.

The part I never knew - raw footage is rare always - if there was an edit of chronologically.

[juleswin]

Your sentiment is popular . . . note however, McCain is already busted though he doesn't need to know.

Does that mean that the populist president would release the JFK papers now?

[Jan2017]

Does that mean that the populist president would release the JFK papers now?
Honestly . . . not to be too much of an arse - really - what are JFK papers ? (honest non-sarcastic question)

[juleswin]

Honestly . . . not to be too much of an arse - really - what are JFK papers ? (honest non-sarcastic question)

You sarcasm? I thought were being serious.

Well, the JFK papers/files was a bunch of declassified govt documents about the investigation of the JFK assassination. They were set to be released this year but Trump who is such a exposer of the deep state and the truth teller that he is decided to extend the release to 2021. Yes, I said extend not hasten.

I have no idea what it is in it but it supposedly holds the secret to the real killers. I personally doubt it holds any secrets whatsoever but I still wanna see it.

[Jan2017]

You sarcasm? I thought were being serious.

Well, the JFK papers/files was a bunch of declassified govt documents about the investigation of the JFK assassination. They were set to be released this year but Trump who is such a exposer of the deep state and the truth teller that he is decided to extend the release to 2021. Yes, I said extend not hasten.

I have no idea what it is in it but it supposedly holds the secret to the real killers. I personally doubt it holds any secrets whatsoever but I still wanna see it.


extend the release to 2021.

Brownsville TX is where they got in . . . well one storyline at least.
A safe house in Dallas for a month ordering pizzas never going out outside before the hit on JFK, but I dunno.

Jack Ruby killing Oswald live on TeeVee - what fun!

[Jan2017]

https://s26.postimg.cc/a79hcqhex/forrestallineupcva-59_fire_aft_deck_plan.png (https://postimages.org/)


The 5-inch Zuni off of the double-seater F4B#110 was a dud . . .
anyone seeing tape can see it float erratically in front of McCain's #416 single-seater.

It is not how you imagine a missile firing in a straight and fast straight trajectory.
Also, it is discharged from the right side of #110 in History Channel video reconstruction.


https://s26.postimg.cc/b8qb2o61l/Forrestal_Caiella.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

McCain was in the cockpit then.

There is no fire visible in McCain's aircraft as he gets out and lies on the front nose . . . then slides off
on the #417 side. McCain's #416 has both bombs attached, though he says that both had fell to the deck. US Navy does not agree.

On video tape, in original de-briefing (above in post # x) McCain says the first thing he notices lying prone on the deck next to his plane
is a pilot on fire from jet fuel.

Rescue Team 8 responded to a fire running "toward McCain's Skyhawk"
and as jet fuel seeps down two decks below and explodes the bombs stored below the entire rescue crew perishes.

McCain 1967 version :

"I started running over towards him and I was near a group of men with a fire hose. As I was about 10 feet from him the first bomb exploded and blew me back about 15 feet. I sat up and saw a lot of bodies near me (some who had been on the hose) and I ran and jumped over the starboard cat walk [under the flight deck]."

McCain did join in with "some fine enlisted men" in carting off and dumping overboard bombs still in carts on the lower deck,
and acknowledges coming across dead crew members.

Lt. Commander Fred White of #405 also perished.

The original plane about to take-off when redirected with the arm point to the control tower upper camera was a C-130 Hercules
shown in an earlier file photo below.. It was on catapault #1.


https://s26.postimg.cc/6mu6uhzzt/Photo_003.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
R.I.P.

https://s26.postimg.cc/6bcqhxtw9/image.png (https://postimages.org/)

[Aratus]

Yes, a ###### has no right to attack a 4-F who shows more #### for his ####### than the ######.

an edit. Gov't style. do enjoy.

[Swordsmyth]

an edit. Gov't style. do enjoy.

:confused:

[Aratus]

#

an edit. again. like uncle sam's.
if you did a FOIA request, mccain's
files would look like this. all important
stuff gone. not there. just saying.
you really think DJT is honest?

[Swordsmyth]

an edit. again. like uncle sam's.
if you did a FOIA request, mccain's
files would look like this. all important
stuff gone. not there. just saying.
And such redactions would include many designed to shield McCain.



you really think DJT is honest?
I do not think him a living embodiment of truth but he is more honest than many others, like McCain.

[Aratus]

Fair enuff, Swordsmyth...

[Jan2017]

an edit. Gov't style. do enjoy.
or jammed by NSA - jus' sayin'

After ALL the dust settles after shit 'hero' McCain's death,
45th President will open ALL the previously classified documents to reveal the usnavy position.

jus' sayin'

[Jan2017]

Skyhawk #405 aft of McCain's #416 - Hometown : Phoenix, AZ

Fred Donald White
Lieutenant Commander
VA-46, CVW-17, USS FORRESTAL, TF 77, 7TH FLEET
United States Navy
February 21, 1935 to July 29, 1967
Phoenix, Arizona (http://www.virtualwall.org/istate/istataz.htm#phoenix)



Remains:
Body recovered


Repatriated:
Not Applicable


Identified:
Not Applicable


Casualty Type:
Non-hostile, died of other causes


Casualty Reason:
Casualty at sea


Casualty Detail:
Other causes (undefined)

[Schifference]

As a tribute to such a great man Trump should open up all his files so the world can know the sacrifices he made.

[AZJoe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO0mHEJyC3Y

[Valli6]

EDIT: Mods, I meant to post this in the main McCain thread, so if you don't mind, I'm going to repost it there.

Says it's false. I noticed about a month ago, that the daily caller stop allowing comments. Struck me as odd, since, until now, I had only seen (obviously) left-leaning sites doing this. While I know Tucker Carlson was a co-founder, it appears he's no longer involved with it since he started his show. (DC's current staff: https://dailycaller.com/about-us)

Something else - On Monday (and I checked this personally) if you looked up 'USS Forrestal' on wikipedia, under '1967 fire', the only mention of McCain was, "On the flight deck that day was Lieutenant Commander John McCain." On Tuesday, someone had added that "conspiracy theories" about McCain having caused the fire were false. Weirdly, I checked wiki again, while writing this post and the conspiracy theory part has been removed. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USS_Forrestal_(CV-59)
:confused:

The fact that the incident is not being used as another way to play up McCain's heroism - i.e. "also brave survivor of USS Forrestal catastrophe" - just makes me more inclined to believe he played some role and they want to avoid mentioning it. And as they are admitting that he took off in a helicopter with reporter R.W. Apple Jr., why wasn't he punished for going AWOL, or deserting?


FACT CHECK: DID JOHN MCCAIN START THE USS FORRESTAL FIRE THAT KILLED 134 PEOPLE?
3:21 PM 08/30/2018
Emily Larsen | Fact Check Reporter

Political cartoonist Ben Garrison published a post that alleges that the late Sen. John McCain started a fire aboard the USS Forrestal in 1967 that killed 134 people. It said that McCain “wet-started” his plane, over-fueling the jet engine in order to create a dramatic plume of fire on ignition, and that the flame set off a bomb, which started the fire...........

...“McCain actually did an illegal ‘wet start’ which caused flames to shoot out the back of his jet and start a fire that caused the A/C behind him to catch fire and the resulting conflagration started bombs blowing up,” one user tweeted Tuesday...........

...“Dont forget McCain thought it would be Cool to Wet Start his plane on deck with bombs loaded which in turn killed several of his fellow soldiers,” another user tweeted Sunday.

Verdict: False

The official Navy report about the Forrestal incident found that a misfired rocket hit another plane and started the fire.

MORE http://checkyourfact.com/2018/08/30/fact-check-mccain-uss-forrestal-fire/

Ben Garrison's Ten Reasons Not to Mourn John McCain

...told the reporter he needed some “R and R.” So he spent several days in Saigon sipping on scotch and sodas. He missed the memorial for his dead shipmates...
https://grrrgraphics.com/ten-reasons-not-to-mourn-mccain/


Really? So, he wasn't "invited" to the ceremony for the dead?

[timosman]

That's how he got the Maverick part. :cool:

[Anti Globalist]

Hell yeah. Expose McCain.

[osan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDSzg8PqKyw



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFqlwAWuMTg