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Swordsmyth
07-25-2018, 09:42 PM
If there's a "blue wave" coming in 2018, someone may have forgotten to tell Oregon's voters. A Republican challenger has pulled even with blue state Oregon's Democratic incumbent governor, according to a new poll.
The news comes as a surprise in a state that hasn’t seen a Republican governor since late 1980s, sparking fears of the end of Democratic Party’s total domination of the state.
The poll indicates that Republican state Rep. Knute Buehler is waging a serious challenge to Gov. Kate Brown, a vocal critic of President Trump, with both candidates getting support from 45 percent of likely voters, the Oregonian (https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/07/kate_brown_and_knute_buehler_i.html#incart_std) reported.


Oregon is considered a solid blue state, with Democrats controlling both the state House and Senate, while Brown has been the governor since 2015.

Kate Brown had a chance to fight for Oregon and she came up short. As governor, I’ll take the reins and lead as a voice for all Oregonians – where Kate Brown has failed. https://t.co/mdCZFqehKv #orpol (https://twitter.com/hashtag/orpol?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) #knuteforgov (https://twitter.com/hashtag/knuteforgov?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) pic.twitter.com/xebREQ1ohv (https://t.co/xebREQ1ohv)
— Knute Buehler (@KnuteBuehler) July 22, 2018 (https://twitter.com/KnuteBuehler/status/1021149134240210944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
The poll, conducted by Florida-based Gravis Marketing, invigorated the race overnight, though Democrats began questioning its validity.
“It's hard to understand how this is a reputable piece of public opinion research,” Brown’s campaign spokesman, Christian Gaston, told the Oregonian.

"It's a bit surprising to see a Democratic statewide candidate in Oregon have such weak numbers, but (Brown) does."
- John Horvick, DHM Research Vice President But other pollsters in the state aren’t dismissing the poll showing the two candidates deadlocked in the race, saying Brown doesn’t have strong voter support.
“We've seen it pretty close, head-to-head, between Brown and Buehler,” John Horvick, vice president and political director of DHM Research in Portland, told the newspaper. "It's a bit surprising to see a Democratic statewide candidate in Oregon have such weak numbers, but (Brown) does.”

DHM Research’s previous poll in January indicated Brown was leading Buehler 46 percent to 29 percent.

The latest poll, showing Brown struggling against a Republican in a solid blue state, strikes at the core of Democrats’ messaging about the looming so-called “blue wave” in the upcoming midterm elections.

More at: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/25/republican-challenger-pulls-even-with-anti-trump-democrat-in-solid-blue-oregons-governors-race-poll.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Interna l+-+Politics+-+Text%29

Keith and stuff
07-25-2018, 09:56 PM
Not the most accurate polling company on Earth, but still good news.

timosman
07-25-2018, 09:57 PM
Communists suck.

Origanalist
07-25-2018, 10:11 PM
So because his opponent is a anti-Trump democrat were supposed to be cheering this guy? Lol

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Swordsmyth
07-25-2018, 10:13 PM
So because his opponent is a anti-Trump democrat were supposed to be cheering this guy? Lol

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The point is that the Dems are in trouble.

timosman
07-25-2018, 10:14 PM
The point is that the Dems are in trouble.

Their shit doesn't stick! What are we going to do? :confused:

Origanalist
07-25-2018, 10:17 PM
The point is that the Dems are in trouble.

That's it? That's the whole point? Excuse me if I don't start doing cartwheels down the road.

Jamesiv1
07-25-2018, 10:18 PM
Might not be pretty, but it still goes in the Win column.

Swordsmyth
07-25-2018, 10:21 PM
That's it? That's the whole point? Excuse me if I don't start doing cartwheels down the road.

Take it however you want, it is political news and has implications for the rest of the midterm elections, some of us happen to care about those.

nobody's_hero
07-26-2018, 05:58 AM
Reading that platform, sounds like a democrat thought it would be easier to win under a republican banner. Take from it what you will. Gonna withhold my enthusiasm for now, because I think that's how neocons ended up in the GOP to begin with. Hey, everyone wants to vote for republicans so let's become "republicans" *wink wink*

Swordsmyth
07-26-2018, 01:14 PM
Reading that platform, sounds like a democrat thought it would be easier to win under a republican banner. Take from it what you will. Gonna withhold my enthusiasm for now, because I think that's how neocons ended up in the GOP to begin with. Hey, everyone wants to vote for republicans so let's become "republicans" *wink wink*

Oregon has a problem with that kind of RINO but the fact that the incumbent Dem is vulnerable shows that the "Blue Wave" is running into a drought.

acptulsa
07-26-2018, 02:12 PM
The point is that the Dems are in trouble.

They don't seem to be. The ones in Oregon voting for their next governor seem to have two Democrats to choose from. That's supposed to trouble them?

Swordsmyth
07-26-2018, 02:15 PM
They don't seem to be. The ones in Oregon voting for their next governor seem to have two Democrats to choose from. That's supposed to trouble them?

If a solid blue state like Oregon is considering ousting a Dem incumbent for a RINO they DO have problems.

acptulsa
07-26-2018, 02:20 PM
If a solid blue state like Oregon is considering ousting a Dem incumbent for a RINO they DO have problems.

If conservatives ever had such problems any more, the nation would have far fewer problems.

But no. Liberals will abandon candidates who don't offer them what they want, but way, way too many partisans like you will gladly roll over for anything wearing an R and say, my throat's sore. Abuse my other end for a while.

Swordsmyth
07-26-2018, 02:21 PM
If conservatives ever had such problems any more, the nation would have far fewer problems.

But no. Liberals will abandon candidates who don't offer them what they want, but way, way too many partisans like you will gladly roll over for anything wearing an R and say, my throat's sore. Abuse my other end for a while.
I don't vote for RINOs.

dannno
07-26-2018, 02:31 PM
If conservatives ever had such problems any more, the nation would have far fewer problems.

But no. Liberals will abandon candidates who don't offer them what they want, but way, way too many partisans like you will gladly roll over for anything wearing an R and say, my throat's sore. Abuse my other end for a while.

You are confused.

Swordsmyth doesn't give a flying fuck about who the next Governor of Oregon is, how conservative they are, if they keep their promises or ANY of that shit.

He only cares that the progressives are wrong about their blue wave, which is essentially leftists taking over the country, and nobody including libertarians should want that.

The right may have a bad record on a lot of issues, for example foreign policy and spying on the public. But so does the left. But the right is closer to the whole idea of a Constitutional Republic and a free society. That is why Ron Paul ran on those issues, as a Republican (Rand too).

George Bush doubled the size of government and did not have a humble foreign policy.. so was there anything positive about his election? Yes, there was - and that is that people VOTED for small government and a humble foreign policy. Even if Bush was a disaster, that gives you some hope for the future as opposed to when there are huge blue commie waves.

acptulsa
07-26-2018, 02:37 PM
You are confused.

Swordsmyth doesn't give a flying $#@! about who the next Governor of Oregon is, how conservative they are, if they keep their promises or ANY of that $#@!.

He only cares that the progressives are wrong about their blue wave, which is essentially leftists taking over the country, and nobody including libertarians should want that.

The right may have a bad record on a lot of issues, for example foreign policy and spying on the public. But so does the left. But the right is closer to the whole idea of a Constitutional Republic and a free society. That is why Ron Paul ran on those issues, as a Republican (Rand too).

George Bush doubled the size of government and did not have a humble foreign policy.. so was there anything positive about his election? Yes, there was - and that is that people VOTED for small government and a humble foreign policy. Even if Bush was a disaster, that gives you some hope for the future as opposed to when there are huge blue commie waves.

So, the important thing is not that people vote for conservatism and don't get it, but merely that people vote for conservatism?

Sort of like how Republicans have for five years short of half a century been voting against abortions, and saying the important thing was that they are voting against abortions, and fetuses are still being aborted daily? Like that?

Are the fetuses impressed that their brave, bold champions have been voting harder and harder all that time? Oh, wait. Those fetuses were aborted, weren't they? I guess they aren't impressed by anything.

Will Rogers said that partisan politics is the most narrow minded occupation in the world. He might have added that it's the biggest sucker game in the world, too.

Team Red! Team Red! Please may I have some more big government courtesy of Team Red! Rah! Rah! Rah!

Swordsmyth
07-26-2018, 03:09 PM
You are confused.

Swordsmyth doesn't give a flying $#@! about who the next Governor of Oregon is, how conservative they are, if they keep their promises or ANY of that $#@!.

He only cares that the progressives are wrong about their blue wave, which is essentially leftists taking over the country, and nobody including libertarians should want that.

The right may have a bad record on a lot of issues, for example foreign policy and spying on the public. But so does the left. But the right is closer to the whole idea of a Constitutional Republic and a free society. That is why Ron Paul ran on those issues, as a Republican (Rand too).

George Bush doubled the size of government and did not have a humble foreign policy.. so was there anything positive about his election? Yes, there was - and that is that people VOTED for small government and a humble foreign policy. Even if Bush was a disaster, that gives you some hope for the future as opposed to when there are huge blue commie waves.

I owe you Rep.

Swordsmyth
07-26-2018, 03:13 PM
So, the important thing is not that people vote for conservatism and don't get it, but merely that people vote for conservatism?

Sort of like how Republicans have for five years short of half a century been voting against abortions, and saying the important thing was that they are voting against abortions, and fetuses are still being aborted daily? Like that?

Are the fetuses impressed that their brave, bold champions have been voting harder and harder all that time? Oh, wait. Those fetuses were aborted, weren't they? I guess they aren't impressed by anything.

Will Rogers said that partisan politics is the most narrow minded occupation in the world. He might have added that it's the biggest sucker game in the world, too.

Team Red! Team Red! Please may I have some more big government courtesy of Team Red! Rah! Rah! Rah!

Is it better that people want small government or not? If they do we have a chance to get them to vote for people like Ron and Rand and maybe actually get small government, if they don't we are doomed, every American that willingly votes for the party of naked big government is another cancer cell in the body politic, as the doctors trying to cure the victim we should be glad when the number goes down.

acptulsa
07-26-2018, 03:22 PM
Is it better that people want small government or not? If they do we have a chance to get them to vote for people like Ron and Rand and maybe actually get small government, if they don't we are doomed, every American that willingly votes for the party of naked big government is another cancer cell in the body politic, as the doctors trying to cure the victim we should be glad when the number goes down.

How do we get them to vote for people who will give them the real thing, if they figure voting for it but not getting it is good enough?

Will such people not always vote for the R whose name they heard the most, or the one they figure will entertain them the most, if they don't actually care if they get what they voted for?

Swordsmyth
07-26-2018, 03:42 PM
How do we get them to vote for people who will give them the real thing, if they figure voting for it but not getting it is good enough?

Will such people not always vote for the R whose name they heard the most, or the one they figure will entertain them the most, if they don't actually care if they get what they voted for?
That is a challenge, but it is much less challenging than getting them to vote for the real thing if they don't want it.
Politics like war and football is a game of inches, you can try for a "Hail Mary" pass once in awhile and it is great if it succeeds but you have to focus on moving the ball in the right direction in any size chunk you can get.

dannno
07-26-2018, 03:44 PM
So, the important thing is not that people vote for conservatism and don't get it, but merely that people vote for conservatism?



It's not the only important thing, but it is positive that people are generally supportive of and vote for liberty, as opposed to not.

acptulsa
07-26-2018, 03:54 PM
That is a challenge, but it is much less challenging than getting them to vote for the real thing if they don't want it.
Politics like war and football is a game of inches, you can try for a "Hail Mary" pass once in awhile and it is great if it succeeds but you have to focus on moving the ball in the right direction in any size chunk you can get.

And getting Red Team Players to vote for RINOs and be content with "sending a message" is how the socialists gained the vast majority of their inches.

Swordsmyth
07-26-2018, 04:03 PM
And getting Red Team Players to vote for RINOs and be content with "sending a message" is how the socialists gained the vast majority of their inches.

In the first place I am not advocating that anyone vote for RINOs, in the second socialists moved way past that and have been getting people to vote for outright communists so if people start to move back towards sanity by voting for RINOs it is an improvement we should try to grab hold of and move them farther to vote for the real thing.

Origanalist
07-26-2018, 04:07 PM
You are confused.

Swordsmyth doesn't give a flying fuck about who the next Governor of Oregon is, how conservative they are, if they keep their promises or ANY of that shit.

He only cares that the progressives are wrong about their blue wave, which is essentially leftists taking over the country, and nobody including libertarians should want that.

The right may have a bad record on a lot of issues, for example foreign policy and spying on the public. But so does the left. But the right is closer to the whole idea of a Constitutional Republic and a free society. That is why Ron Paul ran on those issues, as a Republican (Rand too).

George Bush doubled the size of government and did not have a humble foreign policy.. so was there anything positive about his election? Yes, there was - and that is that people VOTED for small government and a humble foreign policy. Even if Bush was a disaster, that gives you some hope for the future as opposed to when there are huge blue commie waves.

So voting in a red progressive instead of a blue progressive is..progress? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, you can't make this shit up.

Swordsmyth
07-26-2018, 04:13 PM
So voting in a red progressive instead of a blue progressive is..progress? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, you can't make this $#@! up.

It is far from good enough but it is better than voting to keep the blue progressive that has been destroying your state, I would vote 3rd party but many people are not as smart as I am.

dannno
07-26-2018, 04:14 PM
So voting in a red progressive instead of a blue progressive is..progress? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, you can't make this shit up.

As far as getting a pulse on the direction of the country, yes, it is better that people vote for smaller government than for larger government. It doesn't mean the short-term results will be better because the people they voted for might suck. But more people voting for smaller government is preferable to more people voting for larger government.

Origanalist
07-26-2018, 04:20 PM
It is far from good enough but it is better than voting to keep the blue progressive that has been destroying your state, I would vote 3rd party but many people are not as smart as I am.

Stop it, my sides are hurting.

Cleaner44
07-26-2018, 04:29 PM
You are confused.

Swordsmyth doesn't give a flying $#@! about who the next Governor of Oregon is, how conservative they are, if they keep their promises or ANY of that $#@!.

He only cares that the progressives are wrong about their blue wave, which is essentially leftists taking over the country, and nobody including libertarians should want that.

The right may have a bad record on a lot of issues, for example foreign policy and spying on the public. But so does the left. But the right is closer to the whole idea of a Constitutional Republic and a free society. That is why Ron Paul ran on those issues, as a Republican (Rand too).

George Bush doubled the size of government and did not have a humble foreign policy.. so was there anything positive about his election? Yes, there was - and that is that people VOTED for small government and a humble foreign policy. Even if Bush was a disaster, that gives you some hope for the future as opposed to when there are huge blue commie waves.

This.

I think about how Ron Paul ran for president as a Libertarian and was ignored. He went back to the Republican party because it was the only viable path. In 2007 Ron Paul asked me to join him in the GOP and so I did, because the Libertarian party is a waste of time unfortunately. There will always be plenty to bitch about when it comes to Republicans, but that is the best chance to beat back the Communist central planners of the Democrat party.

2008 and 2012 was the time to punish the GOP and push them toward a more libertarian position. Since then, we lost Ron, but gained Rand, Massie and Amash. The GOP is a better party now than it was in 2008.

2016 and 2018 is the time to advance the "smaller government" party and beat back the globalists.

I have had nothing but respect for acptulsa over the last 10 years, but I just don't get the complaining here. Is there plenty to be unhappy about with the Republican party? Sure, especially the establishment donkeys like McCain. Is there plenty to be happy about with the Republican party right now? In my opinion YES.

The GOP has become more libertarian in the last 10 years and that is good.

The Supreme Court will not have a liberal majority for the next few decades and that is good.

The Communist central planners in the U.S. are struggling and losing ground and that is good.

It isn't the same two sided coin it once was because the GOP has division between the BIG GOVT establishment and the smaller government libertarians... and that is good.

I see a Republican party that has responded to the Ron Paul R3VOLUTION to an extent and that makes me happy... but I tend to be a glass half full kind of guy.

CCTelander
07-26-2018, 05:15 PM
So voting in a red progressive instead of a blue progressive is..progress? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, you can't make this shit up.


I know, right? But then, when you think about it, progress is the root of progressive. Hmmmm....

Swordsmyth
07-26-2018, 05:20 PM
I know, right? But then, when you think about it, progress is the root of progressive. Hmmmm....

That's just brilliant, you win the sophomore prize. :trophy:


On can progress in any direction, one can even progress towards liberty progressively.
Progressives' full title name is Progressive Socialists, it is the socialist part that is the problem.

acptulsa
07-26-2018, 05:33 PM
2008 and 2012 was the time to punish the GOP and push them toward a more libertarian position. Since then, we lost Ron, but gained Rand, Massie and Amash. The GOP is a better party now than it was in 2008.

2016 and 2018 is the time to advance the "smaller government" party and beat back the globalists.

I have had nothing but respect for acptulsa over the last 10 years, but I just don't get the complaining here.

We didn't improve the party by saying, gee, this one's a RINO and worthless, but lesser evil team player Team Red blah blah blah. We improved the party by looking at McCain and saying, if you're going to give us Democrats in drag, we're going to tell you to go to hell.

Now we aren't doing that. Look at this site. All we see here is people saying take whatever the GOP feeds you and vote for it because it isn't a Demoncrat(TM) and screeching at people who question the conservative cred of GOP candidates and a bunch of name calling which has driven the vast majority of the regular posters away.

I've been watching Republicans vote for whatever has that capital R on it for decades and not slowing the growth of government, not ending abortion, not getting fiscal responsibility, not getting jack that they wouldn't have gotten from the Democrats sooner or later, and liking it because they got the guy they voted for no matter how bad. The party is a bit better than it was in 2008. But if we go back to being content to 'send a message' and get screwed, where will the GOP be next year?

Who the hell cares if a RINO wins in Oregon? Who the hell cares if a "Blue Wave" happens or not if Team Red is just as much a force of waste, totalitarianism and stupidity as Team Blue.

I watched Team Red send messages and get those messages ignored for decades. I have some idea where this nation would be if we were trying, even a little bit, to hold the GOP's feet to the fire the way we did in 2008 and 2012. And when I come to this place and see people saying, who cares if they screw us, we sent a message, yes, it pisses me off.

Sending a message is a "strategy" proven not to work. It's not a strategy, it's an excuse for inaction. And to have this site overrun with people saying it's worth something, particularly when some of those people are spamming the site and presuming to tell us what libertarianism is, pisses me off.

Sorry if that offends anyone.

We had just begun to make some progress, and make the American public more bipartisan and less dysfunctional, and they threw Bernie and DJTveg at us with a gazillion dollars' worth of free publicity, and threw a bunch of Bolton's Lesser Evil Trolls at us, and Bolton Purity Test Trolls holding Rand to a standard no effective politician could ever meet, and stole our country back. Hate to be a downer, but am I supposed to be happy about that?

Cleaner44
07-26-2018, 06:57 PM
We didn't improve the party by saying, gee, this one's a RINO and worthless, but lesser evil team player Team Red blah blah blah. We improved the party by looking at McCain and saying, if you're going to give us Democrats in drag, we're going to tell you to go to hell.

Now we aren't doing that. Look at this site. All we see here is people saying take whatever the GOP feeds you and vote for it because it isn't a Demoncrat(TM) and screeching at people who question the conservative cred of GOP candidates and a bunch of name calling which has driven the vast majority of the regular posters away.

I've been watching Republicans vote for whatever has that capital R on it for decades and not slowing the growth of government, not ending abortion, not getting fiscal responsibility, not getting jack that they wouldn't have gotten from the Democrats sooner or later, and liking it because they got the guy they voted for no matter how bad. The party is a bit better than it was in 2008. But if we go back to being content to 'send a message' and get screwed, where will the GOP be next year?

Who the hell cares if a RINO wins in Oregon? Who the hell cares if a "Blue Wave" happens or not if Team Red is just as much a force of waste, totalitarianism and stupidity as Team Blue.

I watched Team Red send messages and get those messages ignored for decades. I have some idea where this nation would be if we were trying, even a little bit, to hold the GOP's feet to the fire the way we did in 2008 and 2012. And when I come to this place and see people saying, who cares if they screw us, we sent a message, yes, it pisses me off.

Sending a message is a "strategy" proven not to work. It's not a strategy, it's an excuse for inaction. And to have this site overrun with people saying it's worth something, particularly when some of those people are spamming the site and presuming to tell us what libertarianism is, pisses me off.

Sorry if that offends anyone.

We had just begun to make some progress, and make the American public more bipartisan and less dysfunctional, and they threw Bernie and DJTveg at us with a gazillion dollars' worth of free publicity, and threw a bunch of Bolton's Lesser Evil Trolls at us, and Bolton Purity Test Trolls holding Rand to a standard no effective politician could ever meet, and stole our country back. Hate to be a downer, but am I supposed to be happy about that?

I hear what you are saying and would hold the same opinion if I still saw both parties as the same crap... but I don't at this time.

The Republican party has Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, Justin Amash, Walter Jones, etc.

The Democrat party has open socialists/communists and are promoting higher taxes, no borders and free stuff for foreign citizens over the people they are supposed to represent.

There is now a huge difference between the two parties. I don't particularly care who holds the Governors office in Oregon since I don't live there, but I do like seeing the the left suffer and lose because their ideas are far stupider than the right's. I like seeing Trump add people to the Supreme Court that believe in the original document and that reject the nonsense of the living document crap.

Don't get me wrong, there is still plenty I don't like about the GOP, but my goal since Ron Paul dropped out was to push the GOP in a more conservative direction and that has worked in my opinion. There is still room for improvement for sure, but they are no longer the same as Democrats.

Who the hell cares if a RINO wins in Oregon? I guess I would if it results in Democrats falling apart at the seams. There could be some big picture value in that I suppose.

Swordsmyth
07-26-2018, 07:05 PM
I hear what you are saying and would hold the same opinion if I still saw both parties as the same crap... but I don't at this time.

The Republican party has Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, Justin Amash, Walter Jones, etc.

The Democrat party has open socialists/communists and are promoting higher taxes, no borders and free stuff for foreign citizens over the people they are supposed to represent.

There is now a huge difference between the two parties. I don't particularly care who holds the Governors office in Oregon since I don't live there, but I do like seeing the the left suffer and lose because their ideas are far stupider than the right's. I like seeing Trump add people to the Supreme Court that believe in the original document and that reject the nonsense of the living document crap.

Don't get me wrong, there is still plenty I don't like about the GOP, but my goal since Ron Paul dropped out was to push the GOP in a more conservative direction and that has worked in my opinion. There is still room for improvement for sure, but they are no longer the same as Democrats.

Who the hell cares if a RINO wins in Oregon? I guess I would if it results in Democrats falling apart at the seams. There could be some big picture value in that I suppose.

I owe you Rep.

Cleaner44
07-26-2018, 07:10 PM
I owe you Rep.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Swordsmyth again.

nobody's_hero
07-26-2018, 09:17 PM
I hear what you are saying and would hold the same opinion if I still saw both parties as the same crap... but I don't at this time.



I also don't see a viable path on the left, nor do I see it as a good time to work into the left when people are running over you on the way out #walkaway. You are almost immediately alienated if you briefly start straying from the pack, and certainly any new ideas trying to infiltrate the democrat machine are ambushed at the gates. The left is a dead end right now and it's not like we're going to gain a bunch of leftist voters if we start bashing the GOP, and out of all of that we think we're somehow gonna sh*t out a limited government baby by trying to keep some neutrality stance between the left and the right.

The GOP is very much in state of civil war right now. I blame Ron Paul and thank him immensely for it. Depending on what hour of the day you tune in (if you tune in), you're going to hear nearly polar opposite messages throughout the day from Fox News. There's a war going on for minds and the Republican party is the battlefield. The left doesn't even factor into the equation, as far as I'm concerned. No debate allowed. The democratic party is completely irrelevant on this point.

On the one hand, we'll have to keep up a welcoming attitude towards newcomers to the party as they scramble away from the democratic plantations, on the other, we really need the GOP to unite behind a message of smaller government and not turn into some sort of "mud soup" where no one really knows what republicans stand for except "not being democrats."

Cleaner44
07-26-2018, 09:51 PM
I also don't see a viable path on the left, nor do I see it as a good time to work into the left when people are running over you on the way out #walkaway. You are almost immediately alienated if you briefly start straying from the pack, and certainly any new ideas trying to infiltrate the democrat machine are ambushed at the gates. The left is a dead end right now and it's not like we're going to gain a bunch of leftist voters if we start bashing the GOP, and out of all of that we think we're somehow gonna sh*t out a limited government baby by trying to keep some neutrality stance between the left and the right.

The GOP is very much in state of civil war right now. I blame Ron Paul and thank him immensely for it. Depending on what hour of the day you tune in (if you tune in), you're going to hear nearly polar opposite messages throughout the day from Fox News. There's a war going on for minds and the Republican party is the battlefield. The left doesn't even factor into the equation, as far as I'm concerned. No debate allowed. The democratic party is completely irrelevant on this point.

On the one hand, we'll have to keep up a welcoming attitude towards newcomers to the party as they scramble away from the democratic plantations, on the other, we really need the GOP to unite behind a message of smaller government and not turn into some sort of "mud soup" where no one really knows what republicans stand for except "not being democrats."

I couldn't agree more. The Democrat party is a waste of time. The Republican party has improved over the last 10 years and it can get better yet. The good news is that voters are in the mood to reject the neocons and welcome a more conservative/libertarian version.

Pauls' Revere
07-26-2018, 09:59 PM
So because his opponent is a anti-Trump democrat were supposed to be cheering this guy? Lol

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Same policies as the Left, what makes this guy so different? What makes him "Right" as opposed to "Left" other than an "R" after his name.

Swordsmyth
07-26-2018, 10:44 PM
Same policies as the Left, what makes this guy so different? What makes him "Right" as opposed to "Left" other than an "R" after his name.

Less extreme, that's not good enough but as I already said this story is important because of it means about the "Blue Wave".

Origanalist
07-27-2018, 02:18 AM
Less extreme, that's not good enough but as I already said this story is important because of it means about the "Blue Wave".

https://media.giphy.com/media/26BRrSvJUa0crqw4E/giphy.gif

Voluntarist
07-27-2018, 10:21 PM
Per registered decision (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?541228-Bryan-does-this-site-reject-traditional-morality-and-Christian-teachings&p=6888638&viewfull=1#post6888638), member has been banned for violating community standards as interpreted by TheTexan (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?33245-TheTexan) (respect his authoritah (https://youtu.be/PaKjRMMU9HI)) as authorized by Brian4Liberty Ruling (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?541228-Bryan-does-this-site-reject-traditional-morality-and-Christian-teachings&p=6888539&viewfull=1#post6888539)

May God have mercy on his atheist, police-hating, non-voting, anarchist soul.

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 10:29 PM
On a similar note, what makes her part of the "blue wave"? Are voters coming to dislike her based upon ideological grounds (i.e.: part of the blue wave), or is it more personal:
- they see her as a poor executive that is incapable of running Oregon's childcare system (https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/06/gov_kate_brown_orders_stronger.html)
- they see her as someone in power who is far from transparent (https://www.openthebooks.com/assets/1/7/10-20-17.pdf)
- they see her as someone who at the very minimum displays the appearance of violating campaign finance laws (http://www.kxl.com/oregon-governor-kate-brown-violate-campaign-finance-rules-trip-final-four/)
- they see her as someone who uses public funds for personal expenses (http://www.kxl.com/oregon-governor-kate-brown-violate-campaign-finance-rules-trip-final-four/)

Oregonian Democrats don't care about any of those things, they elected a Pedophile Mayor of Portland after he was exposed.

devil21
07-28-2018, 12:48 AM
Incumbent globalist vs challenger globalist. Oh the drama!

acptulsa
07-28-2018, 06:21 AM
I also don't see a viable path on the left, nor do I see it as a good time to work into the left when people are running over you on the way out #walkaway.


I couldn't agree more. The Democrat party is a waste of time.

Yo. Guys. If enough Democratic voters are disgusted enough with the party to create a WalkAwayCampaign, what's the wise thing to do? Cower behind a tree for fear of being trampled in the stampede? Or reach out to them with the message that Washington is hopelessly corrupt and broken, and doesn't do any socialism except taking our money and doling maybe 40% of it back to our counties to spend, so we need to pare the federal government down to the core and then whittle on the core?

There's no need to "work into the left'. All we have to do is drown out people like Swampsmythe who are deliberately trying to scare rank and file disaffected Democrats away, then talk to them about how the fall of the U.S.S.R. and the flailing of the E.U. demonstrates that large scale centralized socialism is a major fail. All we have to do is stop treating them like lepers, and stop letting the Bolton Trolls treat them like lepers on this site.

They already chased off all the women except euphemia and Stubborn Suz (and she had to take a break for quite a while). They drove Melissa off, they drove Moostraks off, Carlybee barely does more than lurk and Aratus comes and goes, Diane and Cajun literally asked for their accounts to be closed in protest. The Divide and Conquer Trolls know the site was more welcoming to disaffected former Democrat voters when women were here, and drove them away systematically. Hell, they drive everyone away but stormfronters, then say they're building site participation up by making the place safe for their brand of snowflakes. Is it building up traffic?

People who started out voting Democrat because they thought that was the antiwar, pro civil liberty thing to do and are now sick of being betrayed do not have leprocy. They are not spreading a deadly contagion--at least, nothing we're not completely immune to.


Oregonian Democrats don't care about any of those things, they elected a Pedophile Mayor of Portland after he was exposed.

You're such a hopeless collectivist--your brain works in such a completely collectivist manner--that you think the whole state of Oregon gets to vote for Portland's mayor.

Dude. Oregon ain't Rhode Island.

If you're so collectivist you can't even admit a rural Democrat might have different priorities than an urban Democrat, you're way too collectivist to lead libertarians anywhere.

Here we are on a political action forum and we're allowing ourselves to be spammed eight hours a day by someone who's spamming us with goofy bull like there's no difference between rural and urban Democratic voters. How wise of us.

Origanalist
07-28-2018, 08:30 AM
Yo. Guys. If enough Democratic voters are disgusted enough with the party to create a WalkAwayCampaign, what's the wise thing to do? Cower behind a tree for fear of being trampled in the stampede? Or reach out to them with the message that Washington is hopelessly corrupt and broken, and doesn't do any socialism except taking our money and doling maybe 40% of it back to our counties to spend, so we need to pare the federal government down to the core and then whittle on the core?

There's no need to "work into the left'. All we have to do is drown out people like Swampsmythe who are deliberately trying to scare rank and file disaffected Democrats away, then talk to them about how the fall of the U.S.S.R. and the flailing of the E.U. demonstrates that large scale centralized socialism is a major fail. All we have to do is stop treating them like lepers, and stop letting the Bolton Trolls treat them like lepers on this site.

They already chased off all the women except euphemia and Stubborn Suz (and she had to take a break for quite a while). They drove Melissa off, they drove Moostraks off, Carlybee barely does more than lurk and Aratus comes and goes, Diane and Cajun literally asked for their accounts to be closed in protest. The Divide and Conquer Trolls know the site was more welcoming to disaffected former Democrat voters when women were here, and drove them away systematically. Hell, they drive everyone away but stormfronters, then say they're building site participation up by making the place safe for their brand of snowflakes. Is it building up traffic?

People who started out voting Democrat because they thought that was the antiwar, pro civil liberty thing to do and are now sick of being betrayed do not have leprocy. They are not spreading a deadly contagion--at least, nothing we're not completely immune to.



You're such a hopeless collectivist--your brain works in such a completely collectivist manner--that you think the whole state of Oregon gets to vote for Portland's mayor.

Dude. Oregon ain't Rhode Island.

If you're so collectivist you can't even admit a rural Democrat might have different priorities than an urban Democrat, you're way too collectivist to lead libertarians anywhere.

Here we are on a political action forum and we're allowing ourselves to be spammed eight hours a day by someone who's spamming us with goofy bull like there's no difference between rural and urban Democratic voters. How wise of us.

Only eight?

acptulsa
07-28-2018, 08:34 AM
Only eight?

Generally. It just seems like longer.

Time drags when you're being propagandized.

CCTelander
07-28-2018, 08:36 AM
Only eight?


They've been cutting back on his overtime?

devil21
07-28-2018, 11:21 AM
Yo. Guys. If enough Democratic voters are disgusted enough with the party to create a WalkAwayCampaign, what's the wise thing to do? Cower behind a tree for fear of being trampled in the stampede? Or reach out to them with the message that Washington is hopelessly corrupt and broken, and doesn't do any socialism except taking our money and doling maybe 40% of it back to our counties to spend, so we need to pare the federal government down to the core and then whittle on the core?

There's no need to "work into the left'. All we have to do is drown out people like Swampsmythe who are deliberately trying to scare rank and file disaffected Democrats away, then talk to them about how the fall of the U.S.S.R. and the flailing of the E.U. demonstrates that large scale centralized socialism is a major fail. All we have to do is stop treating them like lepers, and stop letting the Bolton Trolls treat them like lepers on this site.

They already chased off all the women except euphemia and Stubborn Suz (and she had to take a break for quite a while). They drove Melissa off, they drove Moostraks off, Carlybee barely does more than lurk and Aratus comes and goes, Diane and Cajun literally asked for their accounts to be closed in protest. The Divide and Conquer Trolls know the site was more welcoming to disaffected former Democrat voters when women were here, and drove them away systematically. Hell, they drive everyone away but stormfronters, then say they're building site participation up by making the place safe for their brand of snowflakes. Is it building up traffic?

People who started out voting Democrat because they thought that was the antiwar, pro civil liberty thing to do and are now sick of being betrayed do not have leprocy. They are not spreading a deadly contagion--at least, nothing we're not completely immune to.



You're such a hopeless collectivist--your brain works in such a completely collectivist manner--that you think the whole state of Oregon gets to vote for Portland's mayor.

Dude. Oregon ain't Rhode Island.

If you're so collectivist you can't even admit a rural Democrat might have different priorities than an urban Democrat, you're way too collectivist to lead libertarians anywhere.

Here we are on a political action forum and we're allowing ourselves to be spammed eight hours a day by someone who's spamming us with goofy bull like there's no difference between rural and urban Democratic voters. How wise of us.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to acptulsa again.

Short on ammo atm.

Cleaner44
07-28-2018, 11:45 AM
Yo. Guys. If enough Democratic voters are disgusted enough with the party to create a WalkAwayCampaign, what's the wise thing to do? Cower behind a tree for fear of being trampled in the stampede? Or reach out to them with the message that Washington is hopelessly corrupt and broken, and doesn't do any socialism except taking our money and doling maybe 40% of it back to our counties to spend, so we need to pare the federal government down to the core and then whittle on the core?

There's no need to "work into the left'. All we have to do is drown out people like Swampsmythe who are deliberately trying to scare rank and file disaffected Democrats away, then talk to them about how the fall of the U.S.S.R. and the flailing of the E.U. demonstrates that large scale centralized socialism is a major fail. All we have to do is stop treating them like lepers, and stop letting the Bolton Trolls treat them like lepers on this site.

They already chased off all the women except euphemia and Stubborn Suz (and she had to take a break for quite a while). They drove Melissa off, they drove Moostraks off, Carlybee barely does more than lurk and Aratus comes and goes, Diane and Cajun literally asked for their accounts to be closed in protest. The Divide and Conquer Trolls know the site was more welcoming to disaffected former Democrat voters when women were here, and drove them away systematically. Hell, they drive everyone away but stormfronters, then say they're building site participation up by making the place safe for their brand of snowflakes. Is it building up traffic?

People who started out voting Democrat because they thought that was the antiwar, pro civil liberty thing to do and are now sick of being betrayed do not have leprocy. They are not spreading a deadly contagion--at least, nothing we're not completely immune to.



You're such a hopeless collectivist--your brain works in such a completely collectivist manner--that you think the whole state of Oregon gets to vote for Portland's mayor.

Dude. Oregon ain't Rhode Island.

If you're so collectivist you can't even admit a rural Democrat might have different priorities than an urban Democrat, you're way too collectivist to lead libertarians anywhere.

Here we are on a political action forum and we're allowing ourselves to be spammed eight hours a day by someone who's spamming us with goofy bull like there's no difference between rural and urban Democratic voters. How wise of us.

If you want to spend your time trying to persuade Democrats, be my guest. I have found that people need to have a tangible experience in their own life for anything to stick. I could have a great conversation with a liberal today where they completely agree with me that big government is incompetent and corrupt, and tomorrow they will be advocating for more regulation. Until something happens in their individual life, they still cling to previous beliefs.

When I say that the Democrat party is a waste of time, I mean it isn't worth any effort to salvage. The Republican party though has been improved since the R3VOLUTION and is a better home for libertarians, just as Ron Paul suggested.

acptulsa
07-28-2018, 11:55 AM
If you want to spend your time trying to persuade Democrats, be my guest. I have found that people need to have a tangible experience in their own life for anything to stick. I could have a great conversation with a liberal today where they completely agree with me that big government is incompetent and corrupt, and tomorrow they will be advocating for more regulation. Until something happens in their individual life, they still cling to previous beliefs.

When I say that the Democrat party is a waste of time, I mean it isn't worth any effort to salvage. The Republican party though has been improved since the R3VOLUTION and is a better home for libertarians, just as Ron Paul suggested.

Everyone has experience with corrupt government, and it isn't too hard to see that the bigger it is, the more corrupt it is.

'If you want socialism, keep it local' is not a hard sell, and it gets us support for our federal candidates. We made inroads with that in 2008 and more in 2012. It even attracted people here, despite Matt Collins actively trying to drive them away to make the site more partisan-friendly.

This site does not seem to thrive on partisanship. It certainly isn't doing so now. If we turn our noses up at what has worked for us, and cling to what has not worked for us, we're screwed.

Ender
07-28-2018, 01:19 PM
Only eight?

LOL- my first reaction, as well!

You know what they say about great minds. ;)

nobody's_hero
07-28-2018, 02:06 PM
If you want to spend your time trying to persuade Democrats, be my guest. I have found that people need to have a tangible experience in their own life for anything to stick. .

The bailouts did it for me. You could have considered me a certifiable neocon until something clicked in 2008 and I finally realized the puzzle pieces didn't fit together. FORTUNATELY, Ron Paul was standing on the debate stage at just the right moment with something radically different to fill the gap left by Bush's betrayal. When I saw how the establishment responded, it pretty much shredded any doubt that Ron Paul knew what he was talking about. TPTB don't attack someone like that unless he speaks the truth.

devil21
07-28-2018, 05:37 PM
Less extreme, that's not good enough but as I already said this story is important because of it means about the "Blue Wave".

I don't disagree that, as things stand right now, the Blue Wave isn't materializing. The new Dem platform is called "For The People" but lacks substance other than the same talking points the party has maintained for years but with a large dose of anti-Trump. Grassroots types within the party are asking "what are we running on other than anti-Trump?" and not getting much of a response. It's still a looooong way from the mid-terms so I think drawing any firm conclusions about November is foolish, though.

Swordsmyth
07-28-2018, 06:36 PM
You're such a hopeless collectivist--your brain works in such a completely collectivist manner--that you think the whole state of Oregon gets to vote for Portland's mayor.

Dude. Oregon ain't Rhode Island.

If you're so collectivist you can't even admit a rural Democrat might have different priorities than an urban Democrat, you're way too collectivist to lead libertarians anywhere.

Here we are on a political action forum and we're allowing ourselves to be spammed eight hours a day by someone who's spamming us with goofy bull like there's no difference between rural and urban Democratic voters. How wise of us.

Anyone who knows anything about Oregon politics knows that the high population of insane liberals in Portland controls every statewide race, that's why they haven't had a Republican Governor or even a RINO one for so long.

acptulsa
07-28-2018, 06:39 PM
Anyone who knows anything about Oregon politics knows that the high population of insane liberals in Portland controls every statewide race, that's why they haven't had a Republican Governor or even a RINO one for so long.

But you didn't say the people of Portland elected a governor. You said Oregonians elected a mayor.

Swordsmyth
07-28-2018, 06:50 PM
But you didn't say the people of Portland elected a governor. You said Oregonians elected a mayor.

I said that Oregon liberals elected a mayor, not only does it follow the rules you claim to believe in for your stupid little "black people" trap in that other thread but it is accurate in normal conversational English because Portland represents the majority of Oregon liberals and those that live outside of Portland tend to vote the same way as Portland, especially since most of them live in the other big cities.

My comment was entirely to the point, the voter block that controls the politics in Oregon doesn't care about anything but wild eyed Demoncrat liberalism, if there is even a slight chance that even a RINO might win in Oregon it is because every swing voter in the state is absolutely repelled by recent events and that is very bad for the blue wave.

Swordsmyth
07-28-2018, 07:00 PM
Yo. Guys. If enough Democratic voters are disgusted enough with the party to create a WalkAwayCampaign, what's the wise thing to do? Cower behind a tree for fear of being trampled in the stampede? Or reach out to them with the message that Washington is hopelessly corrupt and broken, and doesn't do any socialism except taking our money and doling maybe 40% of it back to our counties to spend, so we need to pare the federal government down to the core and then whittle on the core?
They don't want to hear about it and if they do then they can put up with the kinds of opinions that are natural on a libertarian site named after one republican candidate and currently led in spirit by his Republican son, giving them a safe space will just encourage them to try to take over.


There's no need to "work into the left'. All we have to do is drown out people like Swampsmythe who are deliberately trying to scare rank and file disaffected Democrats away, then talk to them about how the fall of the U.S.S.R. and the flailing of the E.U. demonstrates that large scale centralized socialism is a major fail. All we have to do is stop treating them like lepers, and stop letting the Bolton Trolls treat them like lepers on this site.
That is a great idea, let's drive away people who believe in small government in order to attract people with a religious belief in big government, why didn't that occur to me?:sarcasm:


They already chased off all the women except euphemia and Stubborn Suz (and she had to take a break for quite a while). They drove Melissa off, they drove Moostraks off, Carlybee barely does more than lurk and Aratus comes and goes,
Considering your paranoia about me I have no doubt you are entirely wrong about what caused some female members to leave, there are also more women who post regularly than you claim.


Diane and Cajun literally asked for their accounts to be closed in protest.
You and the other leftarians along with the anarchists have driven away your fair share of conservatives as well from what I'm told and from what Iv'e seen for myself since I came here, Natural Citizen asked to have his account closed for one.


The Divide and Conquer Trolls know the site was more welcoming to disaffected former Democrat voters when women were here, and drove them away systematically. Hell, they drive everyone away but stormfronters, then say they're building site participation up by making the place safe for their brand of snowflakes. Is it building up traffic?
Projection, also not everyone you call a "stormfronters" is one either.
Site participation has been dropping since the Presidential election because we don't have a major campaign that we are working towards, we don't even know if Rand is going to run for any office at all when his current term ends and he is about to run into his term limit promise so there is a good chance we can count on him not running for the Senate anymore.


People who started out voting Democrat because they thought that was the antiwar, pro civil liberty thing to do and are now sick of being betrayed do not have leprocy. They are not spreading a deadly contagion--at least, nothing we're not completely immune to.
Neither do people who started out voting Republican because they wanted small government and a "humble" foreign policy and now support Trump because he is the best president since Coolidge but you try to drive them off anyway.

Swordsmyth
07-28-2018, 07:02 PM
If you want to spend your time trying to persuade Democrats, be my guest. I have found that people need to have a tangible experience in their own life for anything to stick. I could have a great conversation with a liberal today where they completely agree with me that big government is incompetent and corrupt, and tomorrow they will be advocating for more regulation. Until something happens in their individual life, they still cling to previous beliefs.

When I say that the Democrat party is a waste of time, I mean it isn't worth any effort to salvage. The Republican party though has been improved since the R3VOLUTION and is a better home for libertarians, just as Ron Paul suggested.

I owe you rep.

Swordsmyth
07-28-2018, 07:05 PM
Everyone has experience with corrupt government, and it isn't too hard to see that the bigger it is, the more corrupt it is.

'If you want socialism, keep it local' is not a hard sell, and it gets us support for our federal candidates. We made inroads with that in 2008 and more in 2012. It even attracted people here, despite Matt Collins actively trying to drive them away to make the site more partisan-friendly.

This site does not seem to thrive on partisanship. It certainly isn't doing so now. If we turn our noses up at what has worked for us, and cling to what has not worked for us, we're screwed.

They never really wanted localized government or they wouldn't have all left to support Bernie, you have as much to do with driving people away from this site as anyone else but it mostly has to do with other factors.

acptulsa
07-28-2018, 07:20 PM
They don't want to hear about it and if they do then they can put up with the kinds of opinions that are natural on a libertarian site named after one republican candidate and currently led in spirit by his Republican son, giving them a safe space will just encourage them to try to take over.

They were here for eight years and didn't take over.


That is a great idea, let's drive away people who believe in small government in order to attract people with a religious belief in big government, why didn't that occur to me?:sarcasm:

I don't recall seeing anyone who believes in small government driven away from this site. I've seen lots of people come through here who claimed to be for small government, but wanted certain areas of government enlarged. Like ICE, for example. But I've never once seen someone who truly believes in small government driven away for it.


Considering your paranoia about me I have no doubt you are entirely wrong about what caused some female members to leave, there are also more women who post regularly than you claim.

There were more than I mentioned who left during the rampant misogyny during the campaign, too.


You and the other leftarians along with the anarchists have driven away your fair share of conservatives as well from what I'm told and from what Iv'e seen for myself since I came here, Natural Citizen asked to have his account closed for one.

Now you're claiming Nc Left this site because of me? Really?


Projection, also not everyone you call a "stormfronters" is one either.
Site participation has been dropping since the Presidential election because we don't have a major campaign that we are working towards, we don't even know if Rand is going to run for any office at all when his current term ends and he is about to run into his term limit promise so there is a good chance we can count on him not running for the Senate anymore.

That has happened three times since this site was founded. None even came close to this.


Neither do people who started out voting Republican because they wanted small government and a "humble" foreign policy and now support Trump because he is the best president since Coolidge but you try to drive them off anyway.

As a general rule, no. But some certainly do simulate it well.


Leftist zombies have no brain, they fervently believe whatever thing their leaders said last no matter how much it contradicts the previous thing.

Yeah, like that.


I It is because so many libertarians refuse to appeal to emotions and lead the sheeple to freedom, if you aren't convinced by unadorned logic they don't want you.
Somehow they think that they will eventually achieve a majority with such tactics.
:rolleyes::unamused::cry::sorrow::facepalming:

And that. How lucky we libertarians are to have you bull your way in here and inform us how screwed up we are.

samforpaul
07-28-2018, 08:19 PM
So because his opponent is a anti-Trump democrat were supposed to be cheering this guy? Lol

1019982737741139969


Lost me right there.

DamianTV
08-07-2018, 07:48 PM
xxxxx

Why are your posts coming up for me as "xxxxx" and nothing else?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/search.php?searchid=23064467

Is that displaying correctly for everyone else?

Swordsmyth
08-07-2018, 07:51 PM
Why are your posts coming up for me as "xxxxx" and nothing else?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/search.php?searchid=23064467

Is that displaying correctly for everyone else?

I think voluntarist changed it:

Last edited by Voluntarist; 07-29-2018 at 03:05 PM.

This was what it used to say:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Voluntarist http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=6659298#post6659298)

On a similar note, what makes her part of the "blue wave"? Are voters coming to dislike her based upon ideological grounds (i.e.: part of the blue wave), or is it more personal:
- they see her as a poor executive that is incapable of running Oregon's childcare system (https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/06/gov_kate_brown_orders_stronger.html)
- they see her as someone in power who is far from transparent (https://www.openthebooks.com/assets/1/7/10-20-17.pdf)
- they see her as someone who at the very minimum displays the appearance of violating campaign finance laws (http://www.kxl.com/oregon-governor-kate-brown-violate-campaign-finance-rules-trip-final-four/)
- they see her as someone who uses public funds for personal expenses (http://www.kxl.com/oregon-governor-kate-brown-violate-campaign-finance-rules-trip-final-four/)

Zippyjuan
08-07-2018, 08:05 PM
Why are your posts coming up for me as "xxxxx" and nothing else?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/search.php?searchid=23064467

Is that displaying correctly for everyone else?

He did it to all of his posts- going back years. Unless there was some way to automate it, must have taken a very long time. He mentioned to me he wanted to close his account here and leave.


I deluded myself into thinking there was something redeeming about the site. I'm no longer even the slightest bit suspicious of any redeeming value.

So long, and thanks for all the fish

Swordsmyth
08-07-2018, 08:10 PM
He did it to all of his posts. He mentioned to me he wanted to close his account here and leave.

You should join him.

Zippyjuan
08-07-2018, 08:14 PM
You should join him.

Thank you for your informative contribution to the discussion.

Swordsmyth
10-08-2018, 05:46 PM
Corruption in the Governor’s Mansion in Oregon is nothing new. Indeed, the state’s current Governor, Kate Brown, only took office when she did because her predecessor was forced to resign due to corruption charges (https://www.hcn.org/issues/49.12/latest-no-federal-charges-for-former-oregon-gov-john-kitzhaber).
So revelations of her Administration being corrupt shouldn’t be much of a surprise, and are plentiful.
A recent report (https://www.hcn.org/issues/49.12/latest-no-federal-charges-for-former-oregon-gov-john-kitzhaber) from Forbes lays out the corruption charges against her.
And just today Project Veritas released a video (https://www.projectveritasaction.com/2018/10/08/secrets-and-lies-oregon-governor-kate-brown-misuse-of-public-funds-conflicts-of-interest-graft-corruption/) in which an undercover journalist records one of Brown’s former campaign managers confirming the claims of corruption against her.


In the bombshell video, Michael Kolenc, who served as Brown’s campaign manager in 2016, openly discusses shady, and possibly illegal activities he observed while working for Brown.

The first major revelation is that Brown likely broke Oregon election law by having her state-funded office direct campaign activities. Kolenc alludes to the fact that Brown violated that law when her Chief of Staff got him fired.

KOLENC: “Well, yeah, the government side can’t direct the campaign side, which is what was happening.”
JOURNALIST: “How so?”
KOLENC: “Well, the [Governor’s] chief of staff is the one who got me fired.”
When asked about if the Governor is aware of these potential violations, Kolenc asserts that she “had to have known.”


Kolenc also divulged into corrupt actions by Brown in order to monetarily benefit herself. He talked about a “quid-pro-quo” deal with Comcast in which Brown wrote a letter in favor of a controversial merger with Time Warner Cable in return for $10,000 in campaign contributions (https://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-32756-kate-brown-draws-heat-after-shilling-for-comcast.html). Kolenc mistakenly claims she received $100,000, instead of $10,000.

KOLENC: “It was something in 20– it was something earlier in her tenure, but she had written a letter for Comcast and they gave her like $100,000 check or something. And it was just like, it didn’t look good, and it shouldn’t look good. She didn’t do anything illegal, but the perception that it’s a quid-pro-quo, like I’m going to write a letter of support for something, and you’re going to write me a $100,000 check, it doesn’t look good.”
JOURNALIST: “Oh, she did that?”
KOLENC: “Yes, she absolutely did that, yeah. It was before I got there, but that type of thing, when you’re trying to appeal to working-class people that don’t have that money, they don’t understand it…”
Not only that, but Kolenc believes Brown continues to receive these kinds of contributions in return for favors, calling it “shady as f#$&” and “really discouraging.”
To watch the full Project Veritas Report click here (https://www.projectveritasaction.com/2018/10/08/secrets-and-lies-oregon-governor-kate-brown-misuse-of-public-funds-conflicts-of-interest-graft-corruption/).

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/veritas-oregon-governor-exposed-for-misusing-public-funds/