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AuH20
07-24-2018, 01:37 PM
Pretty sound observations. They have time, money and demographics on their side. Most of the GOP core leadership is not opposed to their sinister goals.

Granted, the so-called 'rank and file left' are mostly useful idiots ushering forth a superstate of fascist intentions.

http://nationalright.us/109/


Since gaining control of the American education system, the forces of the Marxist Left have been following a recurring pattern of introducing reforms, weathering a period of conservative response, and then building upon the new cultural framework. This generational approach to victory has been devastatingly effective and the bedrock upon how they have built their radically transformed country which we now inhabit today.

Consider the efforts by FDR to establish social welfare as an expectation for all Americans. The very idea of socialism itself came under both national and international assault in the 40’s and seemed to fade away in the happy 50’s, but had become irrevocably part of our national expectation by the 60’s.

Consider the efforts by LBJ to realize the cultural revolution ideas of minority power, feminism, and war without sanction. Resistance floated through the 70’s where a counter-revolution seemed to happen in the 80’s proved illusory by the 90’s. All the social ethics of the 60’s were essentially adopted and accepted, leading today’s politically correct culture to rise.

Consider the efforts by Obama, which built upon the strong foundation left by LBJ as a multi-generational project, to remake the country by changing our demographics. What the 1965 Hart-Celler Act began by opening America up to Third World immigration, chain migration, and a lottery system for who would be admitted, has been amplified through successive amnesties from Republicans and Democrats alike. Obama’s open borders and refugee policies only made more blatant what the American government, in service to the Marxist Left, has been doing for a very long time which is seeding new people in the deliberate intent to outvote people who believe in traditional limited government, liberty, and national sovereignty.


All these facts considered, the civic nationalism of Trump will fail in preventing victory by the Left in the cultural civil war now starting unless it does one of two things and perhaps both. It must either find a way to permanently realize power for the Right and remake the cultural apparatus of education and media to no longer actively promote communist ideals and minority radicalization, which could only be undertaken under martial law scenarios. Or, conversely, it could act decisively to try to change the population mix, increasing the white population and radicalization through immigration, family planning, and selective migration. It’s very possible, to preserve the culture and identity upon which liberty depends and has only ever existed, both will be necessary. It’s also almost certainly the case such policies could never be successfully enacted through the conventional political process, and either would quite possibly lead to insurrection by the Left.

The refusal to act leads to a victory for the Left by default. While the current situation of the Right controlling government presents the appearance that the Left is in greater peril, even eight years of Trump will do little more to stop the march leftward of America than eight years of Eisenhower did in slowing welfare or Reagan in stopping cultural Marxism. The only difference is should the Trump years prove a respite instead of a revolution, our future will be one where our destines are not our own to decide.

If we wait until then to act, we will be forced to fight a battle against a hostile government, a socialist or communist majority, and with innumerable technological and surveillance challenges. Furthermore, we will have consigned yet another generation to the very education system that loves to teach these Marxist ideals, even more radicalized than the street violence we see from groups like antifa today. Our odds in such a fight would be considerably worse than they are today where we still have parity numerically and the considerable advantage, at least temporarily, of a government not diametrically opposed to the people and their liberties.

If the Left was smart, they would just keep quiet through the reign of Trump, as older more shrewd hands with the Democrats advocate. They know they are on the verge of ultimate victory in remaking America as well as the West. Yet, their fatal flaw is the people they have so agitated against the majority are hungry for power, and in their taste for control, reveal their true nature in how violently they stalk the streets and how they show no care for the rule of law, but only that of the jungle. They would take power if we give them the opportunity.

How we face this challenge and articulate our own ideals, wanting to preserve our liberty, needing to defend our people, but seeking to retain our morality in the most responsible manner is our crisis. For we, we civilized few, cannot simply engage in a battle where we hold ourselves to a higher standard. But I venture this: Even if we cannot simply make this us versus them, which I understand would undo too much good work done to awaken people to the light of reason and the comforts of faith, can we not at least hold accountable those who refuse to awaken?

acptulsa
07-24-2018, 02:00 PM
Pretty sound observations. They have both time, money and demographics on their side. Most of the GOP core leadership is not opposed to their sinister goals.

Granted, the so-called 'rank-in-file left' are mostly useful idiots ushering forth a superstate of fascist intentions.

http://nationalright.us/109/

Pretty sound observations, except for the part you bolded. That's just stupid.

The rank-'n-file right are mostly useful idiots ushering in a fascist superstate too. The only difference is, the rank-'n-file left may not be very careful what they wish for, and they might not like the flavor they get, but they are getting what they're asking for. The reason they have to squeal like stuck pigs when they get an inarticulate clown like Dubya or Trump is because the rank-'n-file right isn't getting what they want. But many of them are very easy to please. All quite a few of you want is to hear the rank-'n-file left squeal like stuck pigs.

That's why the Left is smarter not to 'just keep quiet through the reign of Trump'. Then the rank-'n-file right might not be content to cucksuck their pacifier and be content with a thinly-disguised former and current Democrat sending ignorant tweets, if Leftists aren't whining. Conservatives are still losing the battle. But as long as the leftists are squealing, many of them actually think they aren't losing.

AuH20
07-24-2018, 02:07 PM
Pretty sound observations, except for the part you bolded. That's just stupid.

The rank-'n-file right are mostly useful idiots ushering in a fascist superstate too. The only difference is, the rank-'n-file left may not be very careful what they wish for, and they might not like the flavor they get, but they are getting what they're asking for. The reason they have to squeal like stuck pigs when they get an inarticulate clown like Dubya or Trump is because the rank-'n-file right isn't getting what they want. But many of them are very easy to please. All quite a few of you want is to hear the rank-'n-file left squeal like stuck pigs.

That's why the Left is smarter not to 'just keep quiet through the reign of Trump'. Then the rank-'n-file right might not be content to cucksuck their pacifier and be content with a thinly-disguised former and current Democrat sending ignorant tweets.

The left built this superstate. They laid it's foundations. Some on the right are simply adding brick and mortar to what they built.

acptulsa
07-24-2018, 02:33 PM
The left built this superstate. They laid it's foundations. Some on the right are simply adding brick and mortar to what they built.

Yeah, yeah.

The right organizes to fight it, and then just about the time they get organized enough to stop it, they get thrown a bone, usually a RINO bone, and the leftists start squealing, and the conservatives take their eye off the ball and just listen to the whining and think that whining means they're winning when they aren't.

Then the left decides to organize and fight to get 'the right people in charge for once', and just about the time they get organized to kick the corporations out of Washington, they get thrown a bone--last time it was a genuine minority bone--and the AM radio starts whining, and the leftists take their eye off the ball and think they're winning even though the only thing their minority bone is doing is laundering their money through fakegreen companies like Solyndra.

And that's why there are two parties. So everyone can party but We, the People Who Foot the Bill.

The Left doesn't want this fascist corporatocracy. They ain't winning. Only the swamp is winning.

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 02:34 PM
This is why we need to expel deep blue states from the union, let them destroy themselves and save the rest of us.

acptulsa
07-24-2018, 02:37 PM
This is why we need to expel deep blue states from the union, let them destroy themselves and save the rest of us.

Yeah, yeah. Split up this economy into pieces and see if we can maintain an exceptional position in the world--or regain it when this house of cards finally collapses.

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 02:40 PM
Yeah, yeah. Split up this economy into pieces and see if we can maintain an exceptional position in the world.
What is more important? Money? Or Freedom?
The left will destroy our economy in the end anyway, but if we get loose of them we can undo at least some of the damage they have already done and our economy will grow like mad.

AuH20
07-24-2018, 02:43 PM
Yeah, yeah.

The right organizes to fight it, and then just about the time they get organized enough to stop it, they get thrown a bone, usually a RINO bone, and the leftists start squealing, and the conservatives take their eye off the ball and just listen to the whining and think that whining means they're winning when they aren't.

Then the left decides to organize and fight to get 'the right people in charge for once', and just about the time they get organized to kick the corporations out of Washington, they get thrown a bone--last time it was a genuine minority bone--and the AM radio starts whining, and the leftists take their eye off the ball and think they're winning even though the only thing their minority bone is doing is laundering their money through fakegreen companies like Solyndra.

And that's why there are two parties. So everyone can party but We, the People Who Foot the Bill.

The Left doesn't want this fascist corporatocracy. They ain't winning. Only the swamp is winning.

The left is blinded by their Utopian delusions. Many on the left have no qualms about restricting the first amendment and silencing the opposition.

pcosmar
07-24-2018, 02:44 PM
Don't Fool Yourself
Dwight D. Eisenhower won.. on this ticket..
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/05/9c/d7/059cd75f933288e51a1a43160e94a6e0.jpg


Before I was born. Not my fault.

acptulsa
07-24-2018, 02:44 PM
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What is more important? Money? Or Freedom?
The left will destroy our economy in the end anyway, but if we get loose of them we can undo at least some of the damage they have already done and our economy will grow like mad.

And you say having New York and California outside the tent pissing in will help the recovery more than having them inside the tent pissing out. But the fact is, many leftists are actually pretty damned entrepreneurial, given the necessity and the chance.


The left is blinded by their Utopian delusions. Many on the left have no qualms about restricting the first amendment and silencing the opposition.

Are you seriously trying to say that there aren't many on the right who have no qualms about restricting the First and silencing the opposition?

Seriously?

AuH20
07-24-2018, 02:46 PM
Dwight D. Eisenhower won.. on this ticket..
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/05/9c/d7/059cd75f933288e51a1a43160e94a6e0.jpg


Before I was born. Not my fault.

That illustrates what I was talking about. Democrats introduce radical policy and then the republicans protect said intrusion & build upon it in most instances.

AuH20
07-24-2018, 02:48 PM
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And you say having New York and California outside the tent pissing in will help the recovery more than having them inside the tent pissing out. But the fact is, many leftists are actually pretty damned entrepreneurial, given the necessity and the chance.



Are you seriously trying to say that there aren't many on the right who have no qualms about restricting the First and silencing the opposition?

Seriously?

I never inferred that. A good portion of the right is utterly useless. They are infected with the boomer disease. But the left seems to be generally adamant about junking the Bill of Rights in the name of progress. While both movements embrace a cult of personality, the left is far more herdlike than the right.

acptulsa
07-24-2018, 02:49 PM
That illustrates what I was talking about. Democrats introduce radical policy and then the republicans protect said intrusion & build upon it in most instances.

Republicans introduced the NSA and the Department of Homeland Security, and the Democrats protect those intrusions and build on them.


I never inferred that. A good portion of the right is utterly useless. They are infected with the boomer disease. But the left seems to be generally adamant about junking the Bill of Rights in the name of progress. While both movements embrace a cult of personality, the left is far more herdlike than the right.

Traditionally, the Right pays lip service to protecting the Second, the Ninth and the Tenth, and the Left pays lip service to protecting the other seven. Traditionally. These days nobody even knows what the BoR is. They find the BoR BoRing.

And if the Right isn't herdlike, why do they always, always, always nominate the candidate who gets the most publicity and runs the most commercials, no matter how big a turkey he or she is?

pcosmar
07-24-2018, 02:50 PM
That illustrates what I was talking about. Democrats introduce radical policy and then the republicans protect said intrusion & build upon it in most instances.

And there used to be "Conservative Democrats".

The only way to win is not to play.

Madison320
07-24-2018, 02:51 PM
I don't think there's anything sinister about the left or democrats or republicans. They're just a natural byproduct of mostly unlimited democracy. Unchecked people tend to vote for free stuff. The winners are usually the ones who promise the most free stuff. It's not the Illuminati or the Freemasons that are running things, it's the welfare queens.

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 02:53 PM
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And you say having New York and California outside the tent pissing in will help the recovery more than having them inside the tent pissing out. But the fact is, many leftists are actually pretty damned entrepreneurial, given the necessity and the chance.

To use your crude metaphor it is better to have the left outside our tent pissing and shatting in their own tent while we clean out our tent.
Those leftists that are entrepreneurial destroy more than they build by restricting everyone else and in the end they destroy what they build.

AuH20
07-24-2018, 02:55 PM
I don't think there's anything sinister about the left or democrats or republicans. They're just a natural byproduct of mostly unlimited democracy. Unchecked people tend to vote for free stuff. The winners are usually the ones who promise the most free stuff. It's not the Illuminati or the Freemasons that are running things, it's the welfare queens.

The policy makers are sinister. They know damn well what the outcome will be. Unbridled power in most cases.

He who controls the valve to the free stuff, makes the rules. A Pavlovian society is being constructed.

acptulsa
07-24-2018, 02:55 PM
It's not actually my metaphor. And the only way to have an influence on where someone outside the tent pisses is to go outside the tent yourself.

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 02:56 PM
Republicans introduced the NSA and the Department of Homeland Security, and the Democrats protect those intrusions and build on them.



Traditionally, the Right pays lip service to protecting the Second, the Ninth and the Tenth, and the Left pays lip service to protecting the other seven. Traditionally. These days nobody even knows what the BoR is. They find the BoR BoRing.

And if the Right isn't herdlike, why do they always, always, always nominate the candidate who gets the most publicity and runs the most commercials, no matter how big a turkey he or she is?

The right is awakening to the need for the entire BoR while the left is deciding to burn the entire Constitution in order to get their way.

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 02:58 PM
It's not actually my metaphor. And the only way to have an influence on where someone outside the tent pisses is to go outside the tent yourself.
If they are not part of the Country they can't affect our laws, the only way they could damage us is through a war (which they would lose) or through culture (which would be equal to or weaker than their cultural influence now).

AuH20
07-24-2018, 02:59 PM
To reiterate, the daily bombastic flair of Trump doesn't mean that we are winning. Trump simply slowed down the pace of the left and he's a moderate to boot, with no firm ideological underpinnings.

acptulsa
07-24-2018, 03:01 PM
The right is awakening to the need for the entire BoR while the left is deciding to burn the entire Constitution in order to get their way.

I have no doubt you think so. That's how the world looks to someone who only talks to people of one party, and believes everything the MSM tells them about the people of the other party.

People to talk with people of both parties, instead of merely picking a side and screeching like a demented banshee at everyone else, realize that the MSM only talk about the weirdest extremists on both sides. Believing what the MSM says about lefties is true is just as stupid as believing that every Republican is a member of the Westboro Baptist Church.


If they are not part of the Country they can't affect our laws, the only way they could damage us is through a war (which they would lose) or through culture (which would be equal or weaker to their cultural influence now).

Yeah? So we would all be more of an economic powerhouse if we were divided into two or three parts?

Ender
07-24-2018, 03:12 PM
Republicans introduced the NSA and the Department of Homeland Security, and the Democrats protect those intrusions and build on them.



Traditionally, the Right pays lip service to protecting the Second, the Ninth and the Tenth, and the Left pays lip service to protecting the other seven. Traditionally. These days nobody even knows what the BoR is. They find the BoR BoRing.

And if the Right isn't herdlike, why do they always, always, always nominate the candidate who gets the most publicity and runs the most commercials, no matter how big a turkey he or she is?

Not to mention that the "Right" conveniently had the Patriot Act waiting in the wings.

This whole right/left carpe is a ruse to keep people hating instead of looking at what's actual happening.

acptulsa
07-24-2018, 03:19 PM
Not to mention that the "Right" conveniently had the Patriot Act waiting in the wings.

This whole right/left carpe is a ruse to keep people hating instead of looking at what's actual happening.

More to the point, the whole left/right game is designed to define "the other side" in such a way that people like Swampsmythe are afraid to leave Town Hall and Zerohedge and talk to real people. The MSM points their cameras at the David Hoggs and the Fred Phelpses and tells people that's what liberals and conservatives are. But in fact, the rank and file are largely far more rational and have much, much more in common--like the bipartisan psychopathic enemy in Washington. And if they can't keep us screeching at those on "the other side", we might just listen to each other long enough to figure out who our real enemies are and who our natural allies are.

Which is why they find people like Swampsmythe so useful.

"The Left" isn't winning. The swamp is winning. And the swamp is winning because it is bipartisan and united, and we are partisan and divided.

Madison320
07-24-2018, 03:31 PM
The policy makers are sinister. They know damn well what the outcome will be. Unbridled power in most cases.

He who controls the valve to the free stuff, makes the rules. A Pavlovian society is being constructed.

I don't believe in the idea of a sinister "they" that are secretly controlling everything in the world. There's too many variables and people and governments to control. I think the closest thing to a "secret society" is the banking system. I definitely think the central bankers mainly in the US, Japan and EU are coordinating their monetary policy to try to keep this massive bubble from popping. But they're going to fail.

AuH20
07-24-2018, 03:36 PM
I don't believe in the idea of a sinister "they" that are secretly controlling everything in the world. There's too many variables and people and governments to control. I think the closest thing to a "secret society" is the banking system. I definitely think the central bankers mainly in the US, Japan and EU are coordinating their monetary policy to try to keep this massive bubble from popping. But they're going to fail.

Tavistock would disagree with you.

acptulsa
07-24-2018, 03:39 PM
Tavistock would disagree with you.

Yeah, well, there's a difference between control and heavy influence. And the people who insist the heavy influence is actually control convince people who could fight back that resistance is futile.

Jamesiv1
07-24-2018, 03:43 PM
The MAGA will overcome.

The MAGA is strong.

The MAGA is good.

DamianTV
07-24-2018, 04:01 PM
Yeah, well, there's a difference between control and heavy influence. And the people who insist the heavy influence is actually control convince people who could fight back that resistance is futile.

Divide and Conquer strategy is necessary when the people who you want to control heavily outnumber you. One of many methods they employ for Divide and Conquer is getting their opponents to defeat themselves. Another big one is get em while they are young, hence, all the problems with Education. Yes, Education is just as politically motivated, and is an extension of Divide and Conquer. Such as teaching children they have the Right to Ask Permission to Bear Arms. MSM gives a few people very powerful voices and simultaneously shuts down the voices of non news reporters, which is why the internet is such a threat and they want to censor it badly.

Belief, Money, Violence.

Turning populations against themselves with tactics such as Man vs Woman, White vs Mexican, Religious vs Non Religious, and Left vs Right are extensions of Divide and Conquer because it twists peoples Beliefs and redirects the aggression they create against another source while continuing to operate in the shadows. The Ideals of Democracy are a problem to the Status Quo and once overcome, this small group of dominant people have excessive power to do major damage that remains unseen by the unaware. They create Violence by distorting peoples Belief in such a way that damage occurs to the peoples ability to resist the will of the Status Quo. Belief is what allows them to hide in the first place, and it works by redirecting the focus of attention to people who they do not want us grouping up against. Then the people themselves do the damage to the functional parts of what used to be a great nation. Making them poor makes them angry, shaping their Beliefs to direct the anger into Violence against the systems of Freedom by attacking everyone else who would genuinely benefit from Freedom destroys Freedom itself.

There was a video where populations were represented with small dots explaining how one person gets control of millions. Can someone find and post that video?

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 04:08 PM
I have no doubt you think so. That's how the world looks to someone who only talks to people of one party, and believes everything the MSM tells them about the people of the other party.

People to talk with people of both parties, instead of merely picking a side and screeching like a demented banshee at everyone else, realize that the MSM only talk about the weirdest extremists on both sides. Believing what the MSM says about lefties is true is just as stupid as believing that every Republican is a member of the Westboro Baptist Church.
The extremists have taken over the left, generations of brainwashing have paid off, just look at Bernie/Hitlery and the other maniacs the left votes for these days.




Yeah? So we would all be more of an economic powerhouse if we were divided into two or three parts?
The free part would be much better off, the leftists part/s would implode since their lunacy would run wild.

acptulsa
07-24-2018, 04:20 PM
The extremists have taken over the left, generations of brainwashing have paid off, just look at Bernie/Hitlery and the other maniacs the left votes for these days.

McCain's not a maniac? Graham's not a maniac?

If the extremists have taken over, why didn't Sanders win the nomination, and where did the Democratic Socialists come from?

Your perspective was packaged for you by the MSM. Are you capable of pulling your head out of their ass?


The free part would be much better off, the leftists part/s would implode since their lunacy would run wild.

Texas won their independence in 1837, and it made them happy. So why did they join the union, Einstein? The answer is simple--they decided it was better to be a part of a big, powerful economy than to be a small, weak economy.

You would quickly decide the same thing, and not long after you got your short-sighted way.

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 04:29 PM
McCain's not a maniac? Graham's not a maniac?
They are bad but not as insane as the left, and the left is composed of maniac politicians with no exceptions, the right has quite a few reasonable politicians and and the only good ones.


If the extremists have taken over, why didn't Sanders win the nomination, and where did the Democratic Socialists come from?
Hitlery was also insane and many of the maniacs voted for her, the DS is the new cutting edge of the left's accelerating madness.


Your perspective was packaged for you by the MSM. Are you capable of pulling your head out if their ass?
Have you seen the mass protests and the freaks on twitter?




Texas won their independence in 1837, and it made them happy. So why did they join the union, Einstein? The answer is simple--they decided it was better to be a part of a big, powerful economy than to be a small, weak economy.

You would quickly decide the same thing, and not long after you got your short-sighted way.
Was the US communist in 1837? Was it freer than Texas in any significant way?
By your logic the US would have benefited economically by joining the Soviet Union or Mao's China.

Your true goal of keeping the frog from jumping out of the leftist pot is becoming obvious.

pcosmar
07-24-2018, 04:37 PM
By your logic .

Don't talk about things you don't understand,, Like Logic..

That spew was devoid of it.

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 04:41 PM
Don't talk about things you don't understand,, Like Logic..

That spew was devoid of it.

As if you would know.

dude58677
07-24-2018, 06:31 PM
That's all leftovers from the Progressive/Neocon Era. Yes there is alot to clean up from that era but at least they are out of power.

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 06:36 PM
That's all leftovers from the Progressive/Neocon Era. Yes there is alot to clean up from that era but at least they are out of power.

If we aren't careful something worse will rise to replace them.

Pauls' Revere
07-24-2018, 07:04 PM
What is more important? Money? Or Freedom?
The left will destroy our economy in the end anyway, but if we get loose of them we can undo at least some of the damage they have already done and our economy will grow like mad.

Venezuela's inflation rate has hit one million percent!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/venezuelas-inflation-rate-may-hit-1000000-percent-yes-1-million/2018/07/24/90d59086-8f4a-11e8-ae59-01880eac5f1d_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.51796e7d6928

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 07:08 PM
Venezuela's inflation rate has hit one million percent!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/venezuelas-inflation-rate-may-hit-1000000-percent-yes-1-million/2018/07/24/90d59086-8f4a-11e8-ae59-01880eac5f1d_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.51796e7d6928

Let's add them to the union, their population and resources will make us rich! :rolleyes:

Pauls' Revere
07-24-2018, 07:15 PM
Let's add them to the union, their population and resources will make us rich! :rolleyes:

replace the economy of California. LOL

acptulsa
07-24-2018, 07:34 PM
Have you seen the mass protests and the freaks on twitter?

How many times must it be said? Twitter is nearly as controlled as the MSM, and by reinforcing their message, you are carrying water for the swamp's most rabid alligators.


Your true goal of keeping the frog from jumping out of the leftist pot is becoming obvious.

So, people should take your word for my motivations? Tell me this, O historical ignoramous: Is my very red state a hopeless socialist morass? Well, guess what--things can change, and socialism's greatest foes are often the people who tried most fervently to make it work. Like Russia. And like Oklahoma.


In the first two decades of the twentieth century the Socialist Party of Oklahoma consistently ranked as one of the top three state socialist organizations in America. At the party's height in the elections of 1914, the Socialist Party candidate for governor, Fred W. Holt, received more than 20 percent of the vote statewide. In Marshall and Roger Mills counties, where the Socialist Party was strongest, Holt captured 41 and 35 percent of the vote, respectively. More than 175 socialists were elected to local and county offices that year, including six to the state legislature. As these statistics make clear, to a greater extent than anywhere else in the nation, the Socialist Party in Oklahoma played an active, potent role in state and local politics.

The earliest formations of the Oklahoma Socialist Party occurred during the territorial period in Grant and Kay counties near the Kansas border. By 1902 there were some twenty-three locals affiliated with the socialist organization in Oklahoma Territory. Soon the center of socialist activism shifted southward to the Indian Territory, and by 1907 the geographic shape of the Socialist Party of Oklahoma had become clear: socialists were concentrated in the old Indian Territory (especially in Marshall, Johnston, Pontotoc, Seminole, Jefferson, Stephens, Garvin, Love, and McCurtain counties), and in Roger Mills, Beckham, Dewey, and Kiowa counties in the west.

From the outset, Oklahoma socialism had a decidedly agrarian focus. Building on the expertise its members inherited from past agrarian movements (principally the Farmers' Alliance and the Farmers' Union), Oklahoma socialists directly challenged the inequities of early-twentieth-century commercial agriculture. Unlike their counterparts in the national Socialist Party, who thought of farmers as members of the petite bourgeoisie and therefore ineligible for party membership, Oklahoma socialists argued forcefully that farmers who worked the land were legitimate members of the working class. Indeed, Sooner socialists developed a pathbreaking "Farmers' Programme" that called for restoring land to working farmers. In addition, Socialist Party speakers relentlessly attacked tenancy, the crop lien system, and usury, the principal components of the agricultural crisis for small farmers.

http://www.okhistory.org/publications/enc/entry.php?entryname=SOCIALIST%20PARTY

Are you thinking of the future, or once again thinking short term? Because history is a pendulum, and it does swing.

Please, tell us all again what my motivations are.

Anti Federalist
07-24-2018, 07:41 PM
There is a way out of this, outside of war or secession.

Adopt the tactics of the gun rights movement.

40 years ago, we were on the verge of having handguns banned, outright. Many large cities already had bans or de facto bans. There was no state in the country, outside of Vermont, that had any means by which to obtain a "permit" to carry a firearm, outside of being drinking buddies with the local cops. Bans on ammo, on taxes, on trades were all in the wings.

Things looked pretty grim...that was the political landscape I walked into as young teenager...and I thought gun rights were doomed.

But through smart, no compromise activism, we were able to turn things around.

Granted, things are not perfect, but they are world's better than what they were in 1980 WRT to gun rights.

And violent crime is at record lows to boot.

Imagine an army of committed people defending the rest of the Bill of Rights just as vigorously.

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 07:45 PM
So, people should take your word for my motivations? Tell me this, O historical ignoramous: Is my very red state a hopeless socialist morass? Well, guess what--things can change, and socialism's greatest foes are often the people who tried most fervently to make it work. Like Russia. And like Oklahoma.



Are you thinking of the future, or once again thinking short term? Because history is a pendulum, and it does swing.

Please, tell us all again what my motivations are.

Oklahoma farmers and big city welfare trash are two different things, I would also question how many of those socialists left the state for greener pastures during the dust bowl period or just became Democrats.

The deep blue states are also importing millions of foreign communists to make sure they have a permanent majority, they won't let us keep the illegals out let alone reform the legal immigration system, that wasn't a factor in the first half of the 20th century.

Things are much worse now than back then, we don't have time to bet that by some miracle the deep blue states turn against communism, we are one generation or less from collapse and outright tyranny.

acptulsa
07-24-2018, 07:48 PM
Oklahoma farmers and big city welfare trash are two different things, I would also question how many of those socialists left the state for greener pastures during the dust bowl period or just became Democrats.

The deep blue states are also importing millions of foreign communists to make sure they have a permanent majority, they won't let us keep the illegals out let alone reform the legal immigration system, that wasn't a factor in the first half of the 20th century.

Things are much worse now than back then, we don't have time to bet that by some miracle the deep blue states turn against communism, we are one generation or less from collapse and outright tyranny.

And most immigrants reject that from which they fled.

And your collectivist viewpoint is still an asinine thing to see spammed on a ruggedly individualist libertarian site.

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 07:49 PM
There is a way out of this, outside of war or secession.

Adopt the tactics of the gun rights movement.

40 years ago, we were on the verge of having handguns banned, outright. Many large cities already had bans or de facto bans. There was no state in the country, outside of Vermont, that had any means by which to obtain a "permit" to carry a firearm, outside of being drinking buddies with the local cops. Bans on ammo, on taxes, on trades were all in the wings.

Things looked pretty grim...that was the political landscape I walked into as young teenager...and I thought gun rights were doomed.

But through smart, no compromise activism, we were able to turn things around.

Granted, things are not perfect, but they are world's better than what they were in 1980 WRT to gun rights.

And violent crime is at record lows to boot.

Imagine an army of committed people defending the rest of the Bill of Rights just as vigorously.

I would love for that to succeed but I don't see it happening, gun rights have a visceral appeal that much of the rest of the Constitution does not, having a gun will keep you safe from crime and allow you to hunt for food in a crisis, shooting is also fun, for most other rights those motivations are either seemingly on the side of more government or just absent.

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 07:55 PM
And most immigrants reject that from which they fled.
That is simply not true.


And your collectivist viewpoint is still an asinine thing to see spammed on a ruggedly individualist libertarian site.
My view is not collectivist, it is realist, the deep blue states are destroying us and they want to shift into a higher gear of destruction and tyranny, separation is one of a very few chances to save ourselves, you have yet to give any reason other than misguided greed for why we should keep the millstones around our necks, they would be free to do as they wished and we would be free.

I don't believe you are stupid enough to really believe that we would be economically worse off if we were free of them and able to roll back the socialism and regulations that they have imposed on the rest of us, therefore the only logical explanation is that you want the left to win and you want to keep the rest of us shackled to them.

acptulsa
07-24-2018, 07:59 PM
That is simply not true.

The vast majority of Americans are descended from immigrants who came from monarchies. Where's our king?


My view is not collectivist...

Yes it is. It's a purely us vs. them team player screeching screed with no more historical foundation or intellect behind it than the Three Stooges.

But, of course, you'd rather shoot all ten of your toes off than fail to get the last word. And your attempt to get the last word has led to your discourse degenerating to the level of a kindergarten skirmish. So go ahead. Say the last word.

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 08:08 PM
The vast majority of Americans are descended from immigrants who came from monarchies. Where's our king?
They may have lived in monarchies but they were not monarchists, in case you didn't notice the monarchies from that era all turned into parliamentary systems.
The world has changed since then, the common people of most countries have been brainwashed with socialism and marxism for generations and they are encouraged to stay that way after they come here, immigrants and their descendants for multiple generations tend to vote leftist at a much higher rate than natural born citizens and by the time their descendants are in line with the average it is as much from the average moving towards them as the other way.

In any case we don't have time to wait, if we don't turn things around in the next generation we will be destroyed and subjected to outright tyranny and communism.

acptulsa
07-24-2018, 08:10 PM
Knew we could count on you.

pcosmar
07-24-2018, 08:20 PM
And your collectivist viewpoint is still an asinine thing to see spammed on a ruggedly individualist libertarian site.

+1

Aratus
07-24-2018, 08:20 PM
They may have lived in monarchies but they were not monarchists, in case you didn't notice the monarchies from that era all turned into parliamentary systems...

Dude... Stalin, Hitler and Mao were genocidal when going after their opponents.
You are the one who has a blind spot about discontent and the Enlightenment.
You then inflicted a screed rant on us all after your first full sentence. Be polite.

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 08:22 PM
Dude... Stalin, Hitler and Mao were genocidal when going after their opponents.
You are the one who has a blind spot about discontent and the Enlightenment.
You then inflicted a screed rant on us all after your first full sentence. Be polite.
What you said has nothing to do with what I said.

Aratus
07-24-2018, 08:22 PM
John Locke took sides. He was very political in the late 1600s. Sir Isaac Newton was a close friend to him.



The vast majority of Americans are descended from immigrants who came from monarchies. Where's our king?

Yes it is. It's a purely us vs. them team player screeching screed with no more historical foundation or intellect behind it than the Three Stooges.

But, of course, you'd rather shoot all ten of your toes off than fail to get the last word. And your attempt to get the last word has led to your discourse degenerating to the level of a kindergarten skirmish. So go ahead. Say the last word.

timosman
07-24-2018, 08:24 PM
John Locke took sides. He was very political in the late 1600s. Sir Isaac Newton was a close friend to him.

Apple?:question:

Aratus
07-24-2018, 08:27 PM
What you said has nothing to do with what I said.

Dude... When I was very young, I read WIND IN THE WILLOWS. The book got depressing when
the stoats took over TOAD HALL. I was more upset at the very idea than ANYTHING i encountered
when reading George Orwell's ANIMAL FARM when I was older. It has everything to do with you.

Aratus
07-24-2018, 08:29 PM
Apple?:question:

Gravitas is not gravity but it implies that gravity exists. Sir Isaac
Newton did not invent gravity. Newton invented modern physics!

AuH20
07-24-2018, 08:33 PM
That is simply not true.


My view is not collectivist, it is realist, the deep blue states are destroying us and they want to shift into a higher gear of destruction and tyranny, separation is one of a very few chances to save ourselves, you have yet to give any reason other than misguided greed for why we should keep the millstones around our necks, they would be free to do as they wished and we would be free.

I don't believe you are stupid enough to really believe that we would be economically worse off if we were free of them and able to roll back the socialism and regulations that they have imposed on the rest of us, therefore the only logical explanation is that you want the left to win and you want to keep the rest of us shackled to them.

It's more rural vs urban. But the deep blue states are typically composed of a far more urban fabric, which predisposes them towards socialistic solutions.

Aratus
07-24-2018, 08:35 PM
You also have more local zoning laws and public health codes in the heart of NYC than above the arctic circle.

AuH20
07-24-2018, 08:35 PM
And most immigrants reject that from which they fled.

And your collectivist viewpoint is still an asinine thing to see spammed on a ruggedly individualist libertarian site.

Not really. Being mired near the bottom of the socioeconomic pyramid, they will take any so-called 'helping hand' they get. They are often in no position to play philosopher.

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 08:36 PM
It's more rural vs urban. But the deep blue states are typically composed of a far more urban fabric, which gravitates them towards socialistic solutions.
I agree but some states have no red counties, they are either full of big cities or they have filled their countrysides with rich leftists and driven out any conservatives.

AuH20
07-24-2018, 08:47 PM
Living off other people's money is like a communicable disease. The disease becomes even more aggressive, when others from outside the community partake in the plunder. There is no natural deterrent or shame factor in place for an outsider group, since their lower social standing has already been established.

heavenlyboy34
07-24-2018, 08:49 PM
Not really. Being mired near the bottom of the socioeconomic pyramid, they will take any so-called 'helping hand' they get. They are often in no position to play philosopher.

I know lots of immigrants (and their families) and acptulsa is quite accurate.

AuH20
07-24-2018, 08:53 PM
I know lots of immigrants (and their families) and acptulsa is quite accurate.

Well, the data runs in contrast to your personal observations. I don't know what to tell you.

AuH20
07-24-2018, 09:03 PM
Start at this page on the 2017 study conducted by The National Academies Press.

https://www.nap.edu/read/23550/chapter/6#119


By design, low-income households are more likely to access public benefits programs than are high-income households. As shown in Table 3-14 and Figure 3-10, immigrants experience higher poverty rates compared to the native-born; although, as the table indicates, this is not the case for immigrants from a subset of source countries (those toward the bottom of the list). In 2011, 19.9 percent of immigrants and 32.1 percent of children of immigrants17 (under 18) lived in poverty, compared to 13.5 percent of native-born persons and 19.2 percent of children of native-born. Suro et al. (2011) found that, for the period 2000 to 2009, immigrants living in suburbs experienced higher rates of poverty relative to the native-born living in suburbs; but their contribution to the growth of poor populations living in these areas (“the suburbanization of poverty”) was lower relative to that of the native-born.


The primary reasons that immigrants experience higher levels of poverty than the native-born are that (as shown earlier in Tables 3-4, 3-5, 3-10, and 3-11) they are relatively less likely to be employed and they earn lower wages on average. And, as the analysis on fraction of time worked and wage assimilation in Section 3.3 shows, it takes some time for newly arrived immigrants to move up the job ladder and for the poor among them to lift themselves and their children out of poverty.

Another reason for the higher immigrant poverty rates stems from the shift in source countries away from Europe toward poorer countries in Asia and Latin America. Table 3-14, which shows the percentage of immigrants and their children in poverty and near poverty, reveals the wide variation in poverty experienced by immigrants from different countries. Poverty rates are higher for groups that form a larger proportion of the total immigrant population relative to those that comprise a smaller proportion (Table 2-1).
Page 123

For example, 34.8 percent of Mexican immigrants and their U.S.-born children live in poverty, which is more than five times the corresponding statistic for immigrants and their U.S.-born children from countries such as India and the Philippines.

timosman
07-24-2018, 09:06 PM
The problem is nobody is aware they are entering a republic so they vote for democracy. Democracy is good, right? :D

Aratus
07-24-2018, 09:06 PM
Living off other people's money is like a communicable disease. The disease becomes even more aggressive, when others from outside the community partake in the plunder. There is no natural deterrent or shame factor in place for an outsider group, since their lower social standing has already been established.

Wall Street from the 1850s to the 1950s dominated our politics.
Political machines ran our bigly major cites in the same timeframe.
Nepotism in its many forms ran our county systems nationwide.

AuH20
07-24-2018, 09:08 PM
Poor people typically gravitate towards socialism, due to lack of options. This isn't exactly a stunning revelation. An even sickening realization is that the government will utilize ads and other measures to entrap new immigrants in their programs. I've seen bilingual posters promoting food stamp use at the DMV.

Aratus
07-24-2018, 09:09 PM
Donnie Trump functions like a shameless outsider because all four grandparents were Europeans.
He then has the hubris to recycle Millard Fillmore's Id paranoias after being a 1970s era cokehead.

AuH20
07-24-2018, 09:13 PM
The problem is nobody is aware they are entering a republic so they vote for democracy. Democracy is good, right? :D

There is also a misnomer that the United States is the land of milk and honey, when we're actually one downturn away from outright default. Immigrants are subjected to this untrue picture of this country and in turn, behave like the Romans.

Aratus
07-24-2018, 09:14 PM
I have Smith ancestors, and some of my distant cousins were wealthy New England Peabodys.
I can be shamed publically, because I have colonial era ancestors. Even if church mouse poor.
I am loosely half Irish, but my distant kinsman JFK is the first "mick" to be our president. A few
of my grandmother's brothers were Boston Cops. In the days when paddywagons were more
effective than yesteryears KEYSTONE COPs. I am open to the idea that I must be honorable.

Aratus
07-24-2018, 09:16 PM
I think DJT is hideously corrupt.
many gilded age GOP people were.
Democrats of the time could act
like vigilantes. Are we any better?
Mark Twain was a good writer.

Aratus
07-24-2018, 09:18 PM
Rand Paul is quite correct. DJT is not a traitor. Only greedy.
Trump's critics are often motivated by honor or a misplaced
sense of honor. He himself has no idea what this all is about.

Aratus
07-24-2018, 09:22 PM
Thaddeus Stevens or Sen. Charles Sumner if alive today are very electable in my home state,
assuming they can comply with any residency requirements. VEEP Henry Wilson would have it
being tougher for him, he being on the fringes of the graft U.S Grant's friends are infamous for.

heavenlyboy34
07-24-2018, 09:28 PM
Start at this page on the 2017 study conducted by The National Academies Press.

https://www.nap.edu/read/23550/chapter/6#119

Table 3-15 says natives get significantly more assistance than immigrants. Didn't go through the rest, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are other accounting/statistical shenannigans the writers used in their conclusions. Anyhoo, we also have to consider that not all *immigrants* are poor and uneducated. Plenty are from places like Europe and Asia with skills and education. Lots of them could probably replace you at your job. ;)

AuH20
07-24-2018, 09:35 PM
Table 3-15 says natives get significantly more assistance than immigrants. Didn't go through the rest, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are other accounting/statistical shenannigans the writers used in their conclusions. Anyhoo, we also have to consider that not all *immigrants* are poor and uneducated. Plenty are from places like Europe and Asia with skills and education. Lots of them could probably replace you at your job. ;)

Of course, they are not all poor and uneducated. But the majority originate from the nations (predominantly from Africa, Latin America) at the top of the poverty list.

acptulsa
07-24-2018, 09:56 PM
Of course, they are not all poor and uneducated. But the majority originate from the nations (predominantly from Africa, Latin America) at the top of the poverty list.

Huh. Gee, I wonder why the Land of Opportunity doesn't attract more migrants from other Lands of Opportunity?

Did you read the section of your article which HB34 pointed out to you that shows that migrants, though generally poor, get less benefits than the population at large? What are your thoughts on that?

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 09:59 PM
Huh. Gee, I wonder why the Land of Opportunity doesn't attract more migrants from other Lands of Opportunity?

Did you read the section of your article which HB34 pointed out to you that shows that migrants, though generally poor, get less benefits than the population at large? What are your thoughts on that?

They don't qualify for as many at first, but government benefits are less directly to the point, they vote leftist at much higher rates than Americans for generations.

AuH20
07-24-2018, 10:03 PM
Huh. Gee, I wonder why the Land of Opportunity doesn't attract more migrants from other Lands of Opportunity?

Did you read the section of your article which HB34 pointed out to you that shows that migrants, though generally poor, get less benefits than the population at large? What are your thoughts on that?

You are referring to 'state by state' table 3-15 which shows a plurality of immigrant households receiving more benefits on average than the natives? The only real measurable where you see a consistent lean towards the native household is in the 'cash assistance' category.

heavenlyboy34
07-24-2018, 10:52 PM
They don't qualify for as many at first, but government benefits are less directly to the point, they vote leftist at much higher rates than Americans for generations.
Source? (party affiliation doesn't count-as you know, there are "left" and "right" wings of all parties) I'm not seeing how this argument is significantly different from what people were saying about "krauts" and "wops" roughly this time last century. They were wrong then and history tends to rhyme.

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 10:58 PM
Source? (party affiliation doesn't count-as you know, there are "left" and "right" wings of all parties) I'm not seeing how this argument is significantly different from what people were saying about "krauts" and "wops" roughly this time last century. They were wrong then and history tends to rhyme.

The data has been posted many times and the Democrat party has no right wing, they haven't had one for over 10 years, even when they did have one it was far to the left of the Republicans for a long time.

Stop trying to bring race into this, white European communists are just as bad as Latin Americans or Africans.

pcosmar
07-24-2018, 11:08 PM
Stop trying to bring race into this, white European communists are just as bad as Latin Americans or Africans.

And I know a Cuban Merc,, that I almost met in Angola..
We met on Big Coppitt and worked some rooftops together.

His dad was a shriveled old man,, spoke no English,, and could work circles around younger men on the crew.

More American than folks born here.

heavenlyboy34
07-24-2018, 11:08 PM
You are referring to 'state by state' table 3-15 which shows a plurality of immigrant households receiving more benefits on average than the natives? The only real measurable where you see a consistent lean towards the native household is in the 'cash assistance' category.

True. But there are enough extremes in both native and immigrant categories that you can't really say that immigrants are as universally bad and natives as universally good as certain people around here want to claim.

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 11:10 PM
And I know a Cuban Merc,, that I almost met in Angola..
We met on Big Coppitt and worked some rooftops together.

His dad was a shriveled old man,, spoke no English,, and could work circles around younger men on the crew.

More American than folks born here.

If you can tell me how to screen large quantities immigrants so his kind come in a higher proportion than we have already here among the natives we can talk.

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 11:11 PM
True. But there are enough extremes in both native and immigrant categories that you can't really say that immigrants are as universally bad and natives as universally good as certain people around here want to claim.

No one is claiming universality, just worse proportions.

pcosmar
07-24-2018, 11:12 PM
If you can tell me how to screen large quantities immigrants so his kind come in a higher proportion than we have already here among the natives we can talk.

Well we could have kept the Europeans out,, or killed them on the shore..

some of them were cool..

heavenlyboy34
07-24-2018, 11:13 PM
The data has been posted many times and the Democrat party has no right wing, they haven't had one for over 10 years, even when they did have one it was far to the left of the Republicans for a long time.

Stop trying to bring race into this, white European communists are just as bad as Latin Americans or Africans.

If the data is so old you should have no problem copypasting the source in a proper format (ALA is cool, but anything legible will suffice). ethnicity=/=race. Greek, Italian, German, and Russian are all ethnicities that fall under the broad umbrella of "caucasian". Learn your anthropology.

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 11:19 PM
Well we could have kept the Europeans out,, or killed them on the shore..

some of them were cool..

Are you an Injun now?

The Injuns would have been better off if they had kept the Europeans out.

pcosmar
07-24-2018, 11:19 PM
If you can tell me how to screen large quantities immigrants so his kind come in a higher proportion than we have already here among the natives we can talk.

wet foot-dry foot, is the way it was done when I left the Keys..

The marvelous engineer that built several successful Ocean Going Automobiles got sent back several times..

some of his family made it,, but they sunk his creations.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RS8jiH0QGYc/UAmG7dvoeAI/AAAAAAAAIdE/gOb5FaYVw70/s1600/556531_341971692546593_28204649_n.jpg

pcosmar
07-24-2018, 11:24 PM
Are you an Injun now?

The Injuns would have been better off if they had kept the Europeans out.

Parts,,
Some French Horsemen from Canada too.
got French on both sides and who know what who wasn't telling.

Got a last name that sounds German (possibly?) but traced to a Serbian Old Soldiers home.

Wars and travels and natives,,oh my.

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 11:25 PM
wet foot-dry foot, is the way it was done when I left the Keys..

The marvelous engineer that built several successful Ocean Going Automobiles got sent back several times..

some of his family made it,, but they sunk his creations.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RS8jiH0QGYc/UAmG7dvoeAI/AAAAAAAAIdE/gOb5FaYVw70/s1600/556531_341971692546593_28204649_n.jpg

Wet-foot/Dry-foot does absolutely nothing to screen immigrants by their philosophy, many of the Cuban refugees and their descendants are warhawks that would have us invade Cuba if they could, an unknown quantity are communist spies.

Even if most Cubans that arrived under Wet-foot/Dry-foot were liberty lovers that doesn't help with those who come here from other countries.

FvS
07-24-2018, 11:25 PM
Remember, we are typically thought of as Right Libertarians. There is a reason why Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, Pat Buchanan, Paul Gottfried, etc. are Republicans and not Democrats. The Old Right (libertarians/paleocons/constitutionalists) are the real Republican Party, not the Neoconservatives (former Jewish Democrats) and their Evangelical lackeys. Of course, there are still many in the Old Right that are in favor of idiotic ideas like vice prohibition.

Some Rothbard pieces from later in his career.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/01/murray-n-rothbard/strategy-right/
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/02/murray-n-rothbard/program-right-wing-populism/
The unedited version where he defends David Duke.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090219215305/http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch5.html

As for the immigrant debate.
https://cis.org/sites/cis.org/files/camarota-welfare-final.pdf
https://www.amren.com/features/2015/10/welfare-whos-on-it-whos-not/
http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/09/02/non-whites-of-every-stripe-vote-democrat/
http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/29/hispanic-immigration-and-the-demographic-decline-of-america/
http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/05/12/6-dumb-myths-cracked-belives-about-immigration/
http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2017/01/19/the-flaws-of-meritocratic-immigration/
https://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/29/hold-hungarian-border-fence-so-effective-illegal-immigrants-are-now-at-pre-migrant-crisis-levels/

TheCount
07-24-2018, 11:27 PM
What is more important? Money? Or Freedom?

Great question. Have you changed your mind on tariffs, then?

The Rebel Poet
07-24-2018, 11:27 PM
The extremists have taken over the left, generations of brainwashing have paid off, just look at Bernie/Hitlery and the other maniacs the left votes for these days.




The free part would be much better off, the leftists part/s would implode since their lunacy would run wild.

Before you look at the lunacy in the Democrat attic, you might want to pay attention to the crazies in your own basement.

pcosmar
07-24-2018, 11:27 PM
Learn your anthropology.

What if my ancestors are all three sons of Noah?

Japheth, Shem and Ham.. What race would that make me?

pcosmar
07-24-2018, 11:29 PM
many of the Cuban refugees and their descendants are warhawks that would have us invade Cuba if they could, an unknown quantity are communist spies.


Dr. Strangelove,,,is that really you.

pcosmar
07-24-2018, 11:30 PM
Before you look at the lunacy in the Democrat attic, you might want to pay attention to the crazies in your own basement.

Attic..

Bats in the Attic.

acptulsa
07-24-2018, 11:32 PM
Great question. Have you changed your mind on tariffs, then?

That's the wrong kind of freedom. Free trade isn't freedom to that one, freedom from being able to see foreign stuff is freedom.


Dr. Strangelove,,,is that really you.

Cubans used to be the one kind of foreigner these jingoists loved to death.

I guess they now hate Cubans because they think America has a Two Tone Antique Car Gap as compared to Cuba.

pcosmar
07-24-2018, 11:39 PM
That's the wrong kind of freedom. Free trade isn't freedom to that one, freedom from being able to see foreign stuff is freedom.



Cubans used to be the one kind of foreigner these jingoists loved to death.

I guess they now hate Cubans because they think America has a Two Tone Antique Car Gap as compared to Cuba.

I doubt he has ever known the Pure Capitalism of a Grateful Dead shakedown street. and thinks they are all commies.

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 11:41 PM
Great question. Have you changed your mind on tariffs, then?

Defensive tariffs do not reduce freedom and help protect it.

Origanalist
07-24-2018, 11:45 PM
Trump offers $12B in aid to farmers hit by tariffs....


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Di5tLeLVsAAcbQd.jpg

pcosmar
07-24-2018, 11:55 PM
Defensive tariffs do not reduce freedom and help protect it.

So,, why can't we get EV batteries from Iran?

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 11:58 PM
So,, why can't we get EV batteries from Iran?
My guess would be sanctions which are a different subject.

pcosmar
07-25-2018, 12:01 AM
My guess would be sanctions which are a different subject.

not really.

Swordsmyth
07-25-2018, 12:04 AM
not really.
It isn't sanctions? Or they aren't a different subject?

They are a different subject because they are not defending American industry from a trade war started by another country.

heavenlyboy34
07-25-2018, 12:05 AM
What if my ancestors are all three sons of Noah?

Japheth, Shem and Ham.. What race would that make me?

Good question. It would be better posed to a geneticist. Hebrews typically reckon their lineage through the mother's side in my experience. If you had retained enough genetic material through that line (the minimum is 70% IIRC), you would probably be considered a sephardic jew.

pcosmar
07-25-2018, 12:26 AM
It isn't sanctions? Or they aren't a different subject?

They are a different subject because they are not defending American industry from a trade war started by another country.

War is stupid.. regardless

again Free Trade.. or Trade War..
Why are all the EV batteries from China? when Iran has better batteries?

just a question from some recent research,,

pcosmar
07-25-2018, 12:32 AM
Good question. It would be better posed to a geneticist.

not sure if true
and Semitic would not necessarily imply "jew" .. there are many Semitic lines.
as are the barbarian Japhetic tribes.

But how many families traded lines before Babel??.

is there a more stupid argument than "race" when races simply do not exist?
if so,, what is the more stupid argument.

Swordsmyth
07-25-2018, 12:37 AM
War is stupid.. regardless
It depends on the war, when you are attacked it is not stupid to defend yourself.



again Free Trade.. or Trade War..
Why are all the EV batteries from China? when Iran has better batteries?

just a question from some recent research,,
I would guess that it is a sanctions issue, if not it is probably a labor cost issue, another option would be a shipping cost issue, we don't already have many ships making a run between Iran and the US that could add their batteries to the load without costing much more fuel.

Swordsmyth
07-25-2018, 12:41 AM
not sure if true
and Semitic would not necessarily imply "jew" .. there are many Semitic lines.
as are the barbarian Japhetic tribes.

But how many families traded lines before Babel??.

is there a more stupid argument than "race" when races simply do not exist?
if so,, what is the more stupid argument.
Breed would be a better term, there are obvious breed differences between groups of people just as there are with dogs etc.

What is stupid is to make judgements based on a person's breed that are better made on the relevant issue, unlike dogs the differences in human breeds are not very significant.

pcosmar
07-25-2018, 08:40 AM
It depends on the war,

I am a firm advocate for Self Defense..

any trade issue is not a 'war',, It is Government interference issue.

The US Shot itself in the foot years (decades) ago.. a Combination of bad policy at home and abroad. Over-regulation,,over taxation,, monetary manipulation,, Labor Unions and Welfare have all had a debilitating effect on production.

put any blame where it belongs.

pcosmar
07-25-2018, 08:47 AM
Breed would be a better term, there are obvious breed differences between groups of people just as there are with dogs etc.


Humans are not dogs.
Human Families are not "Breeds".

Typical Elitist Claptrap,, dehumanizing anyone deemed inferior.

The Rebel Poet
07-25-2018, 09:45 AM
What if my ancestors are all three sons of Noah?

Japheth, Shem and Ham.. What race would that make me?

Human.

CaptUSA
07-25-2018, 10:00 AM
Humans are not dogs.
Human Families are not "Breeds".

Typical Elitist Claptrap,, dehumanizing anyone deemed inferior.

Welcome to Swordsmyth's worldview. Pretty sick, right?

Always trying to "classify" certain human beings. Which, in the modern age, is simply ridiculous. Test anyone's DNA and you will find a hodgepodge of "national origin" markers. Human = mutt.

AuH20
07-25-2018, 10:51 AM
Breed would be a better term, there are obvious breed differences between groups of people just as there are with dogs etc.

What is stupid is to make judgements based on a person's breed that are better made on the relevant issue, unlike dogs the differences in human breeds are not very significant.

Of course, humans differ from ethnicity to ethnicity, in large part due to long-term exposure in their respective environments. I wouldn't say there are radically profound differences, but there is enough there to dismiss the ridiculous notion that 'We're all the Same." That's universalist horse puckey.

heavenlyboy34
07-25-2018, 11:35 AM
not sure if true
and Semitic would not necessarily imply "jew" .. there are many Semitic lines.
as are the barbarian Japhetic tribes.

But how many families traded lines before Babel??.

is there a more stupid argument than "race" when races simply do not exist?
if so,, what is the more stupid argument.

Good point. "Ethnicity" would be a more accurate term. Arabs are also semitic people, and Arabic a semitic language.

heavenlyboy34
07-25-2018, 11:39 AM
Humans are not dogs.
Human Families are not "Breeds".

Typical Elitist Claptrap,, dehumanizing anyone deemed inferior.
Very much so! :P Such a thing has long been denounced as heresy and error in Orthodoxy.

The Rebel Poet
07-25-2018, 12:56 PM
permanently realize power for the Right and remake the cultural apparatus of education and media to no longer actively promote communist ideals and minority radicalization, which could only be undertaken under martial law scenarios. Or, conversely, it could act decisively to try to change the population mix, increasing the white population and radicalization through immigration, family planning, and selective migration.
It's amazing to me that literal nazism passes freely on a site formerly known for small government, freedom, and love. RIP RPF.

Martial law and ethnic cleansing are as far removed from Ron Paul as anything you can imagine. Damn the alt right and their parasitic attachment to the movement. Crap like this would never have gone unchallenged in '12. To paraphrase Nixon, appropriately enough, "we're all alt-righ now."

Swordsmyth
07-25-2018, 12:56 PM
Humans are not dogs.
Human Families are not "Breeds".

Typical Elitist Claptrap,, dehumanizing anyone deemed inferior.


Welcome to Swordsmyth's worldview. Pretty sick, right?

Always trying to "classify" certain human beings. Which, in the modern age, is simply ridiculous. Test anyone's DNA and you will find a hodgepodge of "national origin" markers. Human = mutt.



Very much so! :P Such a thing has long been denounced as heresy and error in Orthodoxy.



I dehumanized no one, I never said my breed was superior to any other breed, I specifically said there were no significant differences between human breeds and that it was stupid to make decisions based on them.

Humans do have breeds, there are distinct breeding populations that produce visibly different offspring.

FvS
07-25-2018, 01:17 PM
If you want to learn about the realities of race, spend some time on these websites.
http://thealternativehypothesis.org/
(http://thealternativehypothesis.org/)https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/

The idea that all the different races, sub-races, and hybrids of mankind achieved cognitive equality during their different evolutionary journeys is absolute nonsense. It's an evolutionary impossibility. And no, it does not make you a National Socialist to say so.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9kaJyRQfVw

https://i.imgur.com/0iG7ZKl.png

https://i.imgur.com/g4Dh1Rq.jpg

AuH20
07-25-2018, 01:24 PM
If you want to learn about the realities of race, spend some time on these websites.
http://thealternativehypothesis.org/
(http://thealternativehypothesis.org/)https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/

The idea that all the different races, sub-races, and hybrids of mankind achieved cognitive equality during their different evolutionary journeys is absolute nonsense. It's fantasy. And no, it does not make you a National Socialist to say so.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9kaJyRQfVw

https://i.imgur.com/g4Dh1Rq.jpg

That is an accurate list. All the empirical data illustrates that whites are inferior to blacks from an athletic standpoint. Greater bone density and more 'fast twitch' muscle fibers correlate with that information.

AuH20
07-25-2018, 01:32 PM
And another thing. Look at all the subspecies of a given animal type. Take bears for instance. There are 8 distinct subspecies of bear. Are we that ignorant to believe that humans somehow avoided this specialization as a response to a particular environmental stimuli?

TheCount
07-25-2018, 01:38 PM
And another thing. Look at all the subspecies of a given animal type. Take bears for instance. There are 8 distinct subspecies of bear. Are we that ignorant to believe that humans somehow avoided this specialization as a response to a particular environmental stimuli?

Bears are a family, not a species.

CaptUSA
07-25-2018, 01:51 PM
Of course, humans differ from ethnicity to ethnicity, in large part due to long-term exposure in their respective environments. I wouldn't say there are radically profound differences, but there is enough there to dismiss the ridiculous notion that 'We're all the Same." That's universalist horse puckey.

I think the point individualists make is that we are all different. In our own unique way. This lame attempt at "classifying" people fails in every attempt, since no two people are alike. Even identical twins with the same DNA differ immensely. It is impossible for two individuals to develop in the same "environment" because there are ALWAYS differences. And while there may be similarities between people in some traits, there are always differences in others.

CaptUSA
07-25-2018, 01:54 PM
And another thing. Look at all the subspecies of a given animal type. Take bears for instance. There are 8 distinct subspecies of bear. Are we that ignorant to believe that humans somehow avoided this specialization as a response to a particular environmental stimuli?

Humans have intermingled for thousands of years. They travel beyond geographic borders like mountains and lakes and oceans and deserts and jungles and they spread their DNA with them. I hate to break it to you, but we are all mutts. Go get your "23 and me" results - you'll see. You'll have genetic markers from all over the globe. Just like everyone else.

Ender
07-25-2018, 01:55 PM
I think the point individualists make is that we are all different. In our own unique way. This lame attempt at "classifying" people fails in every attempt, since no two people are alike. Even identical twins with the same DNA differ immensely. It is impossible for two individuals to develop in the same "environment" because there are ALWAYS differences. And while there may be similarities between people in some traits, there are always differences in others.

Agree 1000%.

pcosmar
07-25-2018, 04:07 PM
Humans do have breeds, there are distinct breeding populations that produce visibly different offspring.

Eugenics 101

Swordsmyth
07-25-2018, 04:12 PM
Eugenics 101

No, Eugenics claims that some breeds are superior to others and that the superior breeds should eliminate the inferior breeds.

Stop crying racist and pay attention what I actually say.

pcosmar
07-25-2018, 04:16 PM
Stop crying racist and pay attention what I actually say.

I do. I have heard it before.. it is stupidity in text.

a bunch of Darwin based pseudoscience mixed with Race based politics.

It is not worth wasting electrons on this forum,, other than to denounce it.

Swordsmyth
07-25-2018, 04:22 PM
I do. I have heard it before.. it is stupidity in text.

a bunch of Darwin based pseudoscience mixed with Race based politics.

It is not worth wasting electrons on this forum,, other than to denounce it.
You have a problem seeing things that aren't there, I have never said there was anything remotely Darwinian about the differences in human breeds and I make no racial claims about politics, I repeatedly state that there are no significant differences between breeds and that culture is what matters NOT race.

pcosmar
07-25-2018, 04:32 PM
You have a problem seeing things that aren't there, I have never said there was anything remotely Darwinian about the differences in human breeds and I make no racial claims about politics, I repeatedly state that there are no significant differences between breeds and that culture is what matters NOT race.

There you go again..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_breeding_in_the_United_States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/10/Eugenics-Fitter-Families-Contest-Winners-Topeka-Kansas.jpg

Culture?? some things are rotten when they stink.. It ain't cheese. It is your culture.

Swordsmyth
07-25-2018, 04:40 PM
There you go again..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_breeding_in_the_United_States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/10/Eugenics-Fitter-Families-Contest-Winners-Topeka-Kansas.jpg

Culture?? some things are rotten when they stink.. It ain't cheese.
So now you are claiming that anyone who uses a particular word must agree with everything that someone else who used that word believed? :facepalming:

Culture is what matters, I have said over and over that we don't want blonde blue-eyed communists or redheaded green-eyed communists any more than we want any other colors.

Your intolerant wolf crying nonsense only makes you look foolish, it does nothing to "prove" I am a racist in spite of my constant insistence that there are no significant differences between races/breeds/ethnicities/whatever you want to call it.

Your screeching and name calling is counterproductive, it drives lesser men than myself into the arms of neo-NAZIs.

pcosmar
07-25-2018, 04:48 PM
Culture is what matters, I have said over and over that we don't want blonde blue-eyed communists or redheaded green-eyed communists any more than we want any other colors.



Like your red herring


I am not concerned at all with communists as Communism will never exist. It is phyisophical fantasy that cannot exist due to human nature.
Socialism is close,, but plays on human nature enough to sell..

The US has been a Socialist country since 1913.. despite illusion to the contrary. and lip service to a constitution.

Your socialist culture,, sucks.. and has my whole lifetime.

Swordsmyth
07-25-2018, 04:54 PM
Like your red herring


I am not concerned at all with communists as Communism will never exist. It is phyisophical fantasy that cannot exist due to human nature.
Socialism is close,, but plays on human nature enough to sell..

The US has been a Socialist country since 1913.. despite illusion to the contrary. and lip service to a constitution.

You socialist culture,, sucks.. and has my whole lifetime.
You are the one using a red herring, just substitute "socialists" for "communists" if that pleases you, the point I have always made that you are trying to ignore is that races/breeds/ethnicities/whatever you want to call it don't matter.

You can say with some accuracy that American culture has been too socialist for a long time but it has been less socialist and more free than most of the rest of the world for a long time, we don't want too many foreigners of any type coming here and making things worse.

CaptUSA
07-25-2018, 05:04 PM
it drives lesser men than myself into the arms of neo-NAZIs.

Uh, buh bye. Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out. You’d probably feel more comfortable with them anyway.

Swordsmyth
07-25-2018, 05:05 PM
Uh, buh bye. Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out. You’d probably feel more comfortable with them anyway.

Sorry but I'm not going anywhere, I despise them more than I do mere morons.

acptulsa
07-25-2018, 05:14 PM
You are the one using a red herring, just substitute "socialists" for "communists" if that pleases you, the point I have always made that you are trying to ignore is that races/breeds/ethnicities/whatever you want to call it don't matter.

You can say with some accuracy that American culture has been too socialist for a long time but it has been less socialist and more free than most of the rest of the world for a long time, we don't want too many foreigners of any type coming here and making things worse.

You invoke Calvin Coolidge's memory about as often as you can. But you don't seem to have learned a damned thing from the man. These things that scare you shitless didn't frighten him...


'There are among us a great mass of people who have been reared for generations under a government of tyranny and oppression. It is ingrained in their blood that there is no other form of government. They are disposed and inclined to think our institutions partake of the same nature as these they have left behind. We know they are wrong. They must be shown they are wrong.'--Calvin Coolidge

Swordsmyth
07-25-2018, 05:17 PM
You invoke Calvin Coolidge's memory about as often as you can. But you don't seem to have learned a damned thing from the man. These things that scare you $#@!less didn't frighten him...

He is right, which is why I don't oppose ALL immigration, but we can't show them that they are wrong if we allow in so many that they don't assimilate and instead turn us into what they left behind.

acptulsa
07-25-2018, 05:21 PM
He is right, which is why I don't oppose ALL immigration, but we can't show them that they are wrong if we allow in so many that they don't assimilate and instead turn us into what they left behind.

Well. I chased you up on the fence.

Good. Stay there.

Swordsmyth
07-25-2018, 05:23 PM
Well. I chased you up on the fence.

Good. Stay there.

LOL, you did no such thing, my position hasn't changed an iota since I came here.

euphemia
07-25-2018, 05:24 PM
There should be one law for all. If I am required to have a passport to travel internationally, immigrants need documents to come here. Liberty applies to me, too.

Anti Globalist
07-25-2018, 05:47 PM
I don't care what anybodys race is. I just want them to live in a free society and keep 100% of their hard earned money.

AuH20
07-25-2018, 06:00 PM
I don't care what anybodys race is. I just want them to live in a free society and keep 100% of their hard earned money.

Unfortunately, your new guests have been brainwashed to CARE. And they will take your property without the slightest concern because there is a system in place that guarantees such a transfer. Mixing impoverished people from incompatible cultures with the so-called final arbiter of economic justice is akin to leaving a gas tank next to the stove. At some point, it's going to ignite and wreak havoc in it's wake.

AuH20
07-25-2018, 06:06 PM
We need a push to finally get over this long awaited hump, so we can start those admirable 5 year plans. The mentally diseased boomers got us near the top of the hill, but the general population isn't willing to go full-blown Red just yet. Enter the low-skilled immigrants from socialist havens who have a chip on their shoulder. They may provide the needed locomotion to push the wagon to the apex of human progress.

pcosmar
07-25-2018, 06:26 PM
we don't want too many foreigners of any type coming here and making things worse.

It is not the foreigners that are making it worse.. Never has been..

They are just the current target of nationalist angst.

Swordsmyth
07-25-2018, 06:33 PM
It is not the foreigners that are making it worse.. Never has been..

They are just the current target of nationalist angst.
They make things worse that things would have been without them and they always have when too many were allowed in.

AuH20
07-25-2018, 06:39 PM
They make things worse that things would have been without them and they always have when too many were allowed in.

Strong countries with sensible policies could normally resist the ongoing invasion of these army ants, but this country is far from strong and has seen it's better days. It is quite ironic that the immigrants are poised to finally take us over the falls. Countries typically fall from within and then are laid susceptible to a foreign entity.

CaptUSA
07-25-2018, 07:37 PM
He is right, which is why I don't oppose ALL immigration, but we can't show them that they are wrong if we allow in so many that they don't assimilate and instead turn us into what they left behind.

Lol. Totally missed the point of that quote! “He is right. Which is why we have to be just as tyrannical and oppressive towards them! That’ll show em how much better we are!”


Swordsmyth. Primitive tribalistic thinking. Even admits he hasn’t changed one iota since finding RPF. Simply incapable of evolving.

Swordsmyth
07-25-2018, 07:42 PM
Lol. Totally missed the point of that quote! “He is right. Which is why we have to be just as tyrannical and oppressive towards them! That’ll show em how much better we are!”


Swordsmyth. Primitive tribalistic thinking. Even admits he hasn’t changed one iota since finding RPF. Simply incapable of evolving.

Nonsense, Coolidge was not calling for wide open borders nor is my opinion primitive or tribalistic, people resist change and Americans are just as prone to change as foreigners, the only way to keep America free is to limit how many of those who don't believe in freedom are allowed in at once, that way numbers will ensure that the immigrants are more influenced by Americans than Americans are influenced by immigrants.

I haven't changed my position one iota because once you arrive at the truth further change is a bad idea.

Origanalist
07-25-2018, 07:57 PM
So now you are claiming that anyone who uses a particular word must agree with everything that someone else who used that word believed? :facepalming:

Culture is what matters, I have said over and over that we don't want blonde blue-eyed communists or redheaded green-eyed communists any more than we want any other colors.

Your intolerant wolf crying nonsense only makes you look foolish, it does nothing to "prove" I am a racist in spite of my constant insistence that there are no significant differences between races/breeds/ethnicities/whatever you want to call it.

Your screeching and name calling is counterproductive, it drives lesser men than myself into the arms of neo-NAZIs.

Ha ha ha ha, where are these "lesser men"?

Swordsmyth
07-25-2018, 07:58 PM
Ha ha ha ha, where are these "lesser men"?

With the neo-NAZIs.

Origanalist
07-25-2018, 08:03 PM
With the neo-NAZIs.

Well, we mustn't scare away these lesser men. You wild eyed radicals need to shut the hell up.

Swordsmyth
07-25-2018, 08:14 PM
Well, we mustn't scare away these lesser men. You wild eyed radicals need to shut the hell up.
Sound advice for those wild eyed radicals who scream racist at anyone who disagrees with them, do you think they will take it?

FvS
07-26-2018, 01:05 AM
Race is a biological fact. Let go of your State-sanctioned, egalitarian indoctrination. It isn't based in reality.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Shsc5IgttY


One tactic of race denial is to get really hard up on some super-explicit definition of race. Races are obviously just populations of people geographically separated that interbred and thus are genetically and physically distinguishable. That’s obviously true, and all you need, and we should be able to just go forward and talk about the genetic differences between these races.

But the hard definition demander will demand some specific parameters for the sole purpose of deconstructing race. In the hopes that the race-recognizer will not have information on these parameters that he supposedly needs to show that races exist, or he will pre-select conditions which he knows in advance humans don’t meet. For example, an Fst of 0.2, or an inability to interbreed.

And it starts to get absurd when you point to specific alleles that correspond to variation in melanin, and how these alleles vary between the races. Because they will literally be at the point of saying that we cannot say that “black people have black skin” because “black people” is not a “scientific category”. Of course it’s perfectly scientific – we can point them out, their geographic ancestry, it corresponds to cluster groups using specific markers or random SNPs if you want.

And none of these games are ever done for any other subspecies or haplogroup of any other species. It is only with human subspecies, or breeds, that we get this bizarre, radical skepticism.


http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/329/

FvS
07-26-2018, 01:17 AM
That is an accurate list. All the empirical data illustrates that whites are inferior to blacks from an athletic standpoint. Greater bone density and more 'fast twitch' muscle fibers correlate with that information.

It depends on the athletic activity. West Africans tend to do well in those related to sprinting, while Whites do well in swimming and strongman competitions. Interestingly, soccer isn't exactly dominated by Blacks on the international level.

Lol @ all the people attacking Swordsmyth. Few things bring out mass irrationality like a discussion on race. Those years and years of social conditioning can be hard to undo. It reminds me of trying to convince an average person of libertarianism.


Most whites do not have a racial identity, but they would do well to understand what race means for others. They should also ponder the consequences of being the only group for whom such an identity is forbidden and who are permitted no aspirations as a group.

https://i.imgur.com/2H0fOrv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/A04rsFX.jpg

TheCount
07-26-2018, 04:11 AM
Your screeching and name calling is counterproductive, it drives lesser men than myself into the arms of neo-NAZIs.

Wow, harsh. I thought that you and AuH20 were bros.

CaptUSA
07-26-2018, 05:48 AM
I haven't changed my position one iota because once you arrive at the truth further change is a bad idea.

Wrong. You stopped seeking the truth because you found a point of view that gives you comfort.

The "truth" is that there are no pure "breeds" of humans. We are ALL mixed. You, too, have genetic markers from all over the globe. (there are still a very limited number of tiny isolated communities out there, but that's not what we're talking about here.)

Hittites, Assyrians, Persians, Romans, Ottomans, the Kush, the Moors, the Goths, the Asian dynasties, Samaritans, The British, the Norse, the American Indians, the Mayans, the Incans... All of these civilizations bordered each other, traveled, conquered and raped, took slaves and interbred with them, and even held the same land at differing times and all the while they were dispersing their DNA. Hate to break it to you primitive thinkers, but you are all mutts.

The physical differences your eyes perceive are just slightly higher levels of influence from some areas and slightly lower from others. Everyone of us contains a hodgepodge - which makes us all individually unique. It is only the primitive mind that chooses to classify people based on where they fit on a fluid scale. Classification may make things easier to grasp for the primitive mind, but it misses the reality: We are all individual beings with our own unique thoughts and ideas and no two will ever be alike.

Now, please... tell me how this is not the truth. :rolleyes:

CCTelander
07-26-2018, 08:13 AM
There should be one law for all. If I am required to have a passport to travel internationally, immigrants need documents to come here. Liberty applies to me, too.


If I have to wear these shackles and chains then by god so does Bob, because liberty applies to me too. :confused::confused::confused:

WTF happened to this place?

SMGDH

Origanalist
07-26-2018, 09:24 AM
If I have to wear these shackles and chains then by god so does Bob, because liberty applies to me too. :confused::confused::confused:

WTF happened to this place?

SMGDH

https://pics.me.me/one-ring-to-rule-them-all-one-ring-to-find-11596906.png

Swordsmyth
07-26-2018, 12:34 PM
Wrong. You stopped seeking the truth because you found a point of view that gives you comfort.

The "truth" is that there are no pure "breeds" of humans. We are ALL mixed. You, too, have genetic markers from all over the globe. (there are still a very limited number of tiny isolated communities out there, but that's not what we're talking about here.)

Hittites, Assyrians, Persians, Romans, Ottomans, the Kush, the Moors, the Goths, the Asian dynasties, Samaritans, The British, the Norse, the American Indians, the Mayans, the Incans... All of these civilizations bordered each other, traveled, conquered and raped, took slaves and interbred with them, and even held the same land at differing times and all the while they were dispersing their DNA. Hate to break it to you primitive thinkers, but you are all mutts.

The physical differences your eyes perceive are just slightly higher levels of influence from some areas and slightly lower from others. Everyone of us contains a hodgepodge - which makes us all individually unique. It is only the primitive mind that chooses to classify people based on where they fit on a fluid scale. Classification may make things easier to grasp for the primitive mind, but it misses the reality: We are all individual beings with our own unique thoughts and ideas and no two will ever be alike.

Now, please... tell me how this is not the truth. :rolleyes:

Groups of people and the individuals that make them up are 90% one thing and 10% everything else or thereabouts, that is plenty of difference to make different breeds that have common characteristics distinct from other breeds, of course there are individuals with more balanced percentages but even such "mutts" tend to display the common characteristics of one breed more than others.

The differences are not significant and for almost all decisions individuals or culture are what matter.
(Before you accuse me of harboring racism in some recessed corner of my mind I will say the the times that breed matters are purely physical like a doctor considering the possibility of sickle cell anemia in a Black patient while putting the possibility far down the list for an Asian)

acptulsa
07-26-2018, 12:41 PM
Cultures are full of individuals too. And never in history have 100% of the individuals in a culture shared all the beliefs, traits and habits that outsiders attribute to that culture. Forgetting that fact is something the most "progressive" of The Left tends to do, and it makes a joke of their label because those individuals are among the most regressive people on Earth.

When we are just as collectivist and just as regressive as they are, then we are just as bad as they are. It's one thing to point out that Left Progressives are bad, over and over. It's quite another thing to actually demonstrate the fact by rising above them.

CaptUSA
07-26-2018, 12:53 PM
even such "mutts" tend to display the common characteristics of one breed more than others.



Humans are far more complicated than you are suggesting. Here's a random example:

http://www.cranialhiccups.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/23andMe-chromosome-painting-590x600.png

Now tell me... Where does this person get his stubbornness from? What about his shyness? His hair color? His musical ability? His athleticism? And what percentage of each was caused by DNA? What percentage by culture? What percentage by family members or friends? What percentage do you give him credit for all by himself for being a sentient being???

You are just making rash generalizations that have no basis in fact. ALL INDIVIDUALS ARE DIFFERENT. That's all the matters. The attempt at classification is just to make things easier for your lazy primitive thinking.

pcosmar
07-26-2018, 12:53 PM
In better news,,a lying FBI agent is on trial..

It has a blue snake eating it's own tail.

Justice may not be found,, but entertainment can be had.

https://redoubtnews.com/2018/07/brady-violations-malheur-trials/

Swordsmyth
07-26-2018, 01:02 PM
Humans are far more complicated than you are suggesting. Here's a random example:

http://www.cranialhiccups.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/23andMe-chromosome-painting-590x600.png

Now tell me... Where does this person get his stubbornness from? What about his shyness? His hair color? His musical ability? His athleticism? And what percentage of each was caused by DNA? What percentage by culture? What percentage by family members or friends? What percentage do you give him credit for all by himself for being a sentient being???

You are just making rash generalizations that have no basis in fact. ALL INDIVIDUALS ARE DIFFERENT. That's all the matters. The attempt at classification is just to make things easier for your lazy primitive thinking.

He gets most of his traits from his personality or his culture but he will be influenced by White European traits.

CaptUSA
07-26-2018, 01:14 PM
He gets most of his traits from his personality or his culture but he will be influenced by White European traits.

:rolleyes:

TheCount
07-26-2018, 05:56 PM
He gets most of his traits from his personality or his culture but he will be influenced by White European traits.

I have no idea what this sentence is trying to communicate.

ThePaleoLibertarian
07-26-2018, 06:14 PM
Humans are far more complicated than you are suggesting. Here's a random example:

http://www.cranialhiccups.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/23andMe-chromosome-painting-590x600.png

Now tell me... Where does this person get his stubbornness from? What about his shyness? His hair color? His musical ability? His athleticism? And what percentage of each was caused by DNA? What percentage by culture? What percentage by family members or friends? What percentage do you give him credit for all by himself for being a sentient being???

You are just making rash generalizations that have no basis in fact. ALL INDIVIDUALS ARE DIFFERENT. That's all the matters. The attempt at classification is just to make things easier for your lazy primitive thinking.
This is not how heritability works.

acptulsa
07-26-2018, 06:20 PM
I have no idea what this sentence is trying to communicate.

It would seem it was an attempt to insert enough dog whistles in this thread to attract backup in the form of the stormfronters. What's more, it's working.

Swordsmyth
07-26-2018, 06:22 PM
It would seem it was an attempt to insert enough dog whistles in this thread to attract backup in the form of the stormfronters. What's more, it's working.

:rolleyes:

FvS
07-26-2018, 07:00 PM
This thread.

https://i.imgur.com/5tFsL00.jpg

Oh, and look what I found!
https://web.archive.org/web/20121019150736/http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch75.html

Swordsmyth
07-26-2018, 07:10 PM
This thread.

https://i.imgur.com/5tFsL00.jpg

Oh, and look what I found!
https://web.archive.org/web/20121019150736/http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch75.html

Mises on Nationalism, the Right of Self-Determination, and the Problem of Immigration (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?519390-Mises-on-Nationalism-the-Right-of-Self-Determination-and-the-Problem-of-Immigration)

AuH20
07-26-2018, 07:11 PM
This thread.

https://i.imgur.com/5tFsL00.jpg

Oh, and look what I found!
https://web.archive.org/web/20121019150736/http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch75.html

I would classify myself as anti-third world and anti-jew as opposed to being pro-white. I generally don't like white people, but I absolutely disdain the minorities we typically see on TV or on a political podium. We know white people suck, but they are OUR problem. Those other groups I mentioned are outsiders, who shouldn't even being butting their noses in our business. Yet they consistently push their thinly veiled Marxism.

TheCount
07-26-2018, 09:32 PM
It would seem it was an attempt to insert enough dog whistles in this thread to attract backup in the form of the stormfronters. What's more, it's working.
It's a thread about a white nationalist's blog post. Not sure that more whistle was needed.

CaptUSA
07-27-2018, 05:53 AM
This thread.

https://i.imgur.com/5tFsL00.jpg

So you look at that meme and see justification for your worldview. I look at that meme and see a bunch of individuals that have already adopted your misguided dehumanizing tribalistic worldview. I fail to see how accepting and perpetuating that worldview does anything but escalate matters.

But this is why individuals stayed armed - to deal with other individuals that have misguided moral compasses... of all stripes.

AuH20
07-27-2018, 06:44 AM
From a cultural perspective, Pro-White may not be the way, when you examine the statism that American whites have errected and perfected. But I definitely know for sure that a even more aggressive Minority based statism is something we need to fight tooth and nail. Just look at the nonsense coming out of Occasio-Cortez's mouth. They want to deeply regulate the Bill of Rights to lead dignified lives. It's that old battle of negative rights vs positive rights, but amped up to 11 with these radicals.

AuH20
07-27-2018, 07:04 AM
You invoke Calvin Coolidge's memory about as often as you can. But you don't seem to have learned a damned thing from the man. These things that scare you $#@!less didn't frighten him...

Calvin Coolidge was a man with vision.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/coolidge-signs-stringent-immigration-law

CCTelander
07-27-2018, 07:51 AM
So you look at that meme and see justification for your worldview. I look at that meme and see a bunch of individuals that have already adopted your misguided dehumanizing tribalistic worldview. I fail to see how accepting and perpetuating that worldview does anything but escalate matters.

But this is why individuals stayed armed - to deal with other individuals that have misguided moral compasses... of all stripes.


I look at it and see wht they want to become (or already are) in order to combat their fears. And worse, what they want ME to become. No thanks. Not interested.

AuH20
07-27-2018, 08:18 AM
I look at it and see wht they want to become (or already are) in order to combat their fears. And worse, what they want ME to become. No thanks. Not interested.

There is no fear. It's an assured fate. We can either try to slow it down and buy time for regional dissolution. Or wait before it becomes a reality. America cannot be saved, whether it's a predominantly white population or largely composed of third world scavengers, but keeping the window open for an exit strategy is where the immigration restrictions come into play.

At the current rate of entry and propagation projected out to 50/75 years, even the South could be filled with Hispanics. Think about that. The birthplace of rebellion could be chock full of displaced latinos asking for their dignified housing, racial quotas and 2nd amendment bans. During that time period, I would suspect that the messed up population would add more 'EQUALITY' amendments to the Constitution. Game over.

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 09:29 AM
It's an assured fate. . Game over.

Text book Xenophobia.

AuH20
07-27-2018, 09:36 AM
Text book Xenophobia.

More like Communistphobia. 94 million were killed by our Communist friends (and intelligence agency benefactors) in the 20th century. We have enough domestic communists to deal with, rather than importing more.

The Rebel Poet
07-27-2018, 10:01 AM
More like Communistphobia. 94 million were killed by our Communist friends (and intelligence agency benefactors) in the 20th century. We have enough domestic communists to deal with, rather than importing more.

Wait, is this about race, culture, or communism? Either you keep changing the story, or I'm missing something.

AuH20
07-27-2018, 10:11 AM
Wait, is this about race, culture, or communism? Either you keep changing the story, or I'm missing something.

First and foremost, communism/fascism/other statism or whatever ends up crystallizing here in the end. But culture ultimately carves the path to these dark outcomes.

The problem is that particular races have the propensity to carry forth these destructive cultural aspects and promote them. Take for example the Nordic Model which we discussed earlier. I am not a fan of the Scandinavians for this reason.

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 10:15 AM
More like Communistphobia. 94 million were killed by our Communist friends (and intelligence agency benefactors) in the 20th century. We have enough domestic communists to deal with, rather than importing more.

NO THEY WERE NOT

They were Killed By Authoritarian Dictators who falsely called themselves communist.

Authoritarian Empires all fail and fall, What they name themselves is irrelevant.

There has never been a Communist Country ever on this planet.. It is philosophical Fantasy that will never exist.

It does make a nice threat to incite the ignorant.

AuH20
07-27-2018, 10:21 AM
NO THEY WARE NOT

They were Killed By Authoritarian Dictators who falsely called themselves communist.

Authoritarian Empires all fail and fall, What they name themselves is irrelevant.

There has never been a Communist Country ever on this planet.. It is philosophical Fantasy that will never exist.

It does make a nice threat to incite the ignorant.

Aren't you describing the naked communist at the core? The people's revolution plea is often a ploy to throw off the existing masters and consolidate power. Communism is a sales slogan for dictatorship.

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 10:32 AM
Communism is a sales slogan for dictatorship.

So is Racism.
So is Xenophobia.
So is Nationalism.

Keep fear mongering about Commies while strengthening The Socialist Police State.

I'll pray the Yellowstone Blows and puts and end to these United States.

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 12:29 PM
So you look at that meme and see justification for your worldview. I look at that meme and see a bunch of individuals that have already adopted your misguided dehumanizing tribalistic worldview. I fail to see how accepting and perpetuating that worldview does anything but escalate matters.

But this is why individuals stayed armed - to deal with other individuals that have misguided moral compasses... of all stripes.
I look at that meme and ask myself why we let in even more people with tribal attitudes when we have too many here already that we must deal with until we somehow convert them.

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 12:42 PM
I look at that meme and ask myself why we let in even more people with tribal attitudes when we have too many here already that we must deal with until we somehow convert them.

Actually,, Tribal Government is the only one I have actually seen that I care for at all..

The Tribal Government in Afghanistan is the only thing holding on to what freedoms they have left..
And they have stood against TWO World Powers.

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 12:44 PM
Actually,, Tribal Government is the only one I have actually seen that I care for at all..

The Tribal Government in Afghanistan is the only thing holding on to what freedoms they have left..
And they have stood against TWO World Powers.

So it is OK for foreigners to be collectivist and racist but not Americans? :rolleyes:

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 12:56 PM
So it is OK for foreigners to be collectivist and racist but not Americans? :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Huh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 12:59 PM
:rolleyes:

Huh?

You are praising tribalism in foreigners while accusing those of us who don't want to flood America with people who will destroy any chance we have to create a free society of "tribalism".

We are not "tribal" but even if we were you need to make up your mind whether that is a good thing or not.

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 01:09 PM
You are praising tribalism in foreigners while accusing,,,,bla bla bla

QUIT with the stupid straw man crap..

Tribal,,Family government is far superior to any imposed by outside forces..

I am in favor of Local Government here,, and as little as possible.

That is my fantasy.. The reality is an Authoritarian Socialist (Corporatism) Police State..

I have no wish to contribute to such and welcome it's inevitable destruction.

and there is a Tribe running this country... we just aren't in it.

https://pics.me.me/its-one-big-club-and-you-aint-in-it-george-5311073.png

and YES,, I am impressed and Inspired by the People of Afghanistan who have stood their ground against world powers..
They are not conquered.

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 01:13 PM
QUIT with the stupid straw man crap..

Tribal,,Family government is far superior to any imposed by outside forces..

I am in favor of Local Government here,, and as little as possible.

That is my fantasy.. The reality is an Authoritarian Socialist (Corporatism) Police State..

I have no wish to contribute to such and welcome it's inevitable destruction.

and there is a Tribe running this country... we just aren't in it.

https://pics.me.me/its-one-big-club-and-you-aint-in-it-george-5311073.png

and YES,, I am impressed and Inspired by the People of Afghanistan who have stood their ground against world powers..
They are not conquered.

You are just an anti-American, anti-White hypocrite, the Afghan tribes would never stand for the kind of immigrant invasion we are being asked to submit to, they would begin killing them until they stopped coming.

Ender
07-27-2018, 01:25 PM
QUIT with the stupid straw man crap..

Tribal,,Family government is far superior to any imposed by outside forces..

I am in favor of Local Government here,, and as little as possible.

That is my fantasy.. The reality is an Authoritarian Socialist (Corporatism) Police State..

I have no wish to contribute to such and welcome it's inevitable destruction.

and there is a Tribe running this country... we just aren't in it.

https://pics.me.me/its-one-big-club-and-you-aint-in-it-george-5311073.png

and YES,, I am impressed and Inspired by the People of Afghanistan who have stood their ground against world powers..
They are not conquered.

Interesting how some here invoke tribalism as a terrible curse from foreigners while doing all that they can to force their own brand of tribalism on everyone else.

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 01:26 PM
You are just an anti-American, anti-White hypocrite, the Afghan tribes would never stand for the kind of immigrant invasion we are being asked to submit to, they would begin killing them until they stopped coming.

Yes they are.. But in years past they traded freely.. and never forced themselves on us.

Had some of the worlds Best Hash.. Fine textiles. Spices and other goods..

Sad to see the world powers (tribes) attacking them. Thievin bastards.

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 01:29 PM
Interesting how some here invoke tribalism as a terrible curse from foreigners while doing all that they can to force their own brand of tribalism on everyone else.

Exactly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection


Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is habitually intolerant may constantly accuse other people of being intolerant. It incorporates blame shifting.

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 01:32 PM
Interesting how some here invoke tribalism as a terrible curse from foreigners while doing all that they can to force their own brand of tribalism on everyone else.


Exactly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

:rolleyes:

dannno
07-27-2018, 01:35 PM
QUIT with the stupid straw man crap..

Tribal,,Family government is far superior to any imposed by outside forces..

I am in favor of Local Government here,, and as little as possible.

That is my fantasy.. The reality is an Authoritarian Socialist (Corporatism) Police State..

I have no wish to contribute to such and welcome it's inevitable destruction.

and there is a Tribe running this country... we just aren't in it.

https://pics.me.me/its-one-big-club-and-you-aint-in-it-george-5311073.png

and YES,, I am impressed and Inspired by the People of Afghanistan who have stood their ground against world powers..
They are not conquered.

So do you think that the tribal government in Afghanistan that you are praising shares your same views regarding acceptance of other cultures, religions and races?

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 01:42 PM
So do you think that the tribal government in Afghanistan that you are praising shares your same views regarding acceptance of other cultures, religions and races?

Why the phuck should I care??

I am not in Afghanistan. I am not trying to change their country.

I Am impressed with their determination and integrity.
I have far more respect for them than I do those attacking them.

dannno
07-27-2018, 01:46 PM
Why the phuck should I care??

I am not in Afghanistan. I am not trying to change their country.

I Am impressed with their determination and integrity.
I have far more respect for them than I do those attacking them.

What do you think would happen if you did go to Afghanistan?

Alternatively, historically, what do you think when somebody from Afghanistan comes here?

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 01:48 PM
Why the phuck should I care??

I am not in Afghanistan. I am not trying to change their country.

I Am impressed with their determination and integrity.
I have far more respect for them than I do those attacking them.

You brought up Afghanistan as something you claimed was good when I said we didn't want to bring more tribal foreigners here when too many of our own people are too tribal.

Is it good or not?
Do we want more tribal people or not?

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 01:50 PM
What do you think would happen if you did go to Afghanistan?

Alternatively, historically, what do you think when somebody from Afghanistan comes here?

If I went I would go peacefully,, and hopefully with trade items.

I believe there are many Afghans living in the US,, but I haven't checked.

edit..
How interesting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Afghan_Americans

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 02:03 PM
You brought up Afghanistan as something you claimed was good when I said we didn't want to bring more tribal foreigners here when too many of our own people are too tribal.



Wow... How did you that that distorted version of nothing like what I said?

I said I admire the Afghan people for there successful opposition to Epic Aggression at the hand of Russia and The US Military Forces..
They have refused to be defeated.

I admire that.

I prefer local Government. Family /tribe is the most natural and local government.

Everything else is imposed Authoritarianism.

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 03:32 PM
Wow... How did you that that distorted version of nothing like what I said?

I said I admire the Afghan people for there successful opposition to Epic Aggression at the hand of Russia and The US Military Forces..
They have refused to be defeated.

I admire that.

I prefer local Government. Family /tribe is the most natural and local government.

Everything else is imposed Authoritarianism.

This is how I came up with that:


I look at that meme and ask myself why we let in even more people with tribal attitudes when we have too many here already that we must deal with until we somehow convert them.


Actually,, Tribal Government is the only one I have actually seen that I care for at all..

The Tribal Government in Afghanistan is the only thing holding on to what freedoms they have left..
And they have stood against TWO World Powers.


If that isn't a defense of foreigners having tribal attitudes and an attempt to disagree when I said we shouldn't be allowing more people who are tribal into our country what is it?

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 03:37 PM
This is how I came up with that:


perhaps it is YOUR Culture that like Zionism should be stricken from the earth.

a day I look forward to..


In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

all these dragon worshiping cults will find their end.

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 03:41 PM
perhaps it is YOUR Culture that like Zionism should be stricken from the earth.

a day I look forward to..



all these dragon worshiping cults will find their end.

What's with the hate? Are you now admitting to hating America and Whites?
Where did I ever call for a culture to be stricken from the earth?

Dragon worshiping cults? :confused:


You have gone off the deep end.

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 03:44 PM
I Find it Quite Interesting..

A document claimed to be "fake" continues to be more truthfully reflective than false image of the media.


The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 03:48 PM
Where did I ever call for a culture to be stricken from the earth?

:confused:




I never said you did.
I did.

I actively pray for an end to the United States,,, and that the evil would end.

I am in eager anticipation of the Judgement of Nations.

it is tattooed on my back

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 03:55 PM
I never said you did.
I did. I am in eager anticipation of the Judgement of Nations.

You are becoming Judgemental and hateful, American culture does not deserve to be stricken from the earth.
Thank you for admitting that that is why you support open borders though.

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 03:58 PM
You are becoming Judgemental and hateful, American culture does not deserve to be stricken from the earth.
Thank you for admitting that that is why you support open borders though.

I support NO Borders,, and barely recognize them..

It's all the same if you avoid the government.

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 04:01 PM
You are becoming Judgemental

NO I am NOT.

I am proclaiming Gods Judgement.. or repeating it(more accurately)

and I look forward to it. I have never known a world without evil. I will see something new.

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 04:03 PM
I support NO Borders,, and barely recognize them..

It's all the same if you avoid the government.

In the first place that is wrong and in the second it is futile, the foreigners flooding into the US do believe in borders and once they are powerful enough they will kill you for being inside those that they claim for themselves, the only reason you can deal peacefully with them now is because they are either too weak within our borders or secure in their ownership and control of the territory inside theirs, letting them seize our territory or flooding into theirs will bring an end to that.

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 04:06 PM
NO I am NOT.

I am proclaiming Gods Judgement.. or repeating it(more accurately)

and I look forward to it. I have never known a world without evil. I will see something new.

Did he speak to you and tell you American culture deserves to be destroyed now?
If you believe he did then either you are right or you are insane.
If he didn't you are taking judgement into your own hands and putting words in GOD's mouth to justify yourself, just like so many other hateful destroyers throughout history.

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 04:13 PM
The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the Lord and against His Anointed One.'

Such utter stupidity.


The Spirit of the Lord GOD is on Me, because the LORD has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and release from darkness to the prisoners, to proclaim the year of the LORD’s favor and the day of our God’s vengeance, to comfort all who mourn


You must treat the foreigner living among you as native-born and love him as yourself, for you were foreigners in the land of Egypt. I am the LORD your God.


The LORD protects the sojourners; He sustains the fatherless and the widow, but the ways of the wicked He frustrates.

you don't argue with me.
I suggest repentance.

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 04:43 PM
Such utter stupidity.







you don't argue with me.
I suggest repentance.

I will argue with a mortal man like you all I want.

John 10:1 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.”

King James Version (KJV)

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 04:46 PM
I will argue with a mortal man like you all I want.



pro tip.

this land ain't Heaven.

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 04:51 PM
pro tip.

this land ain't Heaven.

The principle is the same.

Origanalist
07-27-2018, 05:04 PM
I will argue with a mortal man like you all I want.

John 10:1 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.”

King James Version (KJV)

Exactly what are you trying to say here?

Suzanimal
07-27-2018, 05:05 PM
Exactly what are you trying to say here?

You climb through the window, I think.

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 05:09 PM
Exactly what are you trying to say here?

Those who enter the country without permission are thieves and robbers.

Origanalist
07-27-2018, 05:10 PM
Those who enter the country without permission are thieves and robbers.

What are they stealing?

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 05:10 PM
Exactly what are you trying to say here?

I know the meaning..

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

And The Repentant thief was forgiven.

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 05:19 PM
What are they stealing?

What are you stealing if you move into an unoccupied house that you don't own?

Beyond that they are stealing opportunities and most importantly they are stealing control of our country.

Origanalist
07-27-2018, 05:24 PM
What are you stealing if you move into an unoccupied house that you don't own?

Beyond that they are stealing opportunities and most importantly they are stealing control of our country.

The US isn't a unoccupied house.

Do those opportunities belong to you? Why?

Stealing control of our country, lol. They don't control it anymore than you do.

Origanalist
07-27-2018, 05:27 PM
I know the meaning..


And The Repentant thief was forgiven.

I understand the meaning, I'm just trying to get him to explain how entry into Heaven through Christ compares to entry into the US. Is this sacred ground?

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 05:29 PM
The US isn't a unoccupied house.
It is the property of someone other than those who are breaking into it.


Do those opportunities belong to you?
They belong to anyone who is legally in the country.


Why?
Because I was born here and others came here legally.



Stealing control of our country, lol. They don't control it anymore than you do.
They are stealing control of who is in control.

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 05:30 PM
I understand the meaning, I'm just trying to get him to explain how entry into Heaven through Christ compares to entry into the US. Is this sacred ground?

The same way it compares to a sheepfold.

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 05:45 PM
Is this sacred ground?

Only to the Stateist religion,, who's head is the great Dragon.

Damn Dragon Cultists.

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 05:55 PM
Only to the Stateist religion,, who's head is the great Dragon.

Damn Dragon Cultists.

It is not sacred ground, it is the property of Americans nd they have a right to grant or decline permission to others who want to come here.

You can take you Dragon cult delusions and smoke them in your weed pipe.

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 05:57 PM
it is the property of Americans nd they have a right to grant

I give them permission.

There done.. Cool.

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 05:59 PM
I give them permission.

There done.. Cool.

You don't get to speak for all Americans.

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 06:06 PM
You don't get to speak for all Americans.

Nor do you Thank God.

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 06:10 PM
Nor do you Thank God.

Trump is speaking for us, GOD willing he will speak louder or we will get someone else who will.

AuH20
07-27-2018, 06:14 PM
Those who enter the country without permission are thieves and robbers.

Much like the wave of Bolsheviks that were moving west from Russia. And we saw what that PRECIPITATED. The host organism in some cases does not respond kindly and calmer heads don't prevail.

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 06:17 PM
Much like the wave of Bolsheviks that were moving west from Russia. And we saw what that PRECIPITATED. The host organism in some cases does not respond kindly and calmer heads don't prevail.

If you don't want an overreaction you MUST deal with the problem before it causes one.

AuH20
07-27-2018, 06:19 PM
If you don't want an overreaction you MUST deal with the problem before it causes one.

Many people like us are offering the kind, humane solution. However, the abominable one lies just around the bend. When society finally breaks down, the pleasantries cease and the race wars start.

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 06:26 PM
Trump is speaking for us,

But who is "us"?

The clown is such a mixed bag there is no telling what he will do..

Hopefully some good by accident.

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 06:28 PM
and the race wars start.

I know a bunch on both sides have wanted that for a while.. they seem to be instigated..

Fusion Center Provocateurs would be my guess.

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 06:30 PM
But who is "us"?
The Americans who voted for him and those of us who didn't but support his efforts to protect Americans from illegal and excessive immigration.

AuH20
07-27-2018, 06:31 PM
I know a bunch on both sides have wanted that for a while.. they seem to be instigated..

Fusion Center Provocateurs would be my guess.

I don't want it because it's counterproductive and doesn't solve the real problem. But rest assured, it will pass if the pieces on the board are continually moved.

acptulsa
07-27-2018, 08:01 PM
It started out about creeping socialism, and now this thread has blown right by scripture taken completely out of context and is glorying in the idea of nationwide race wars.

What a waste of electrons.

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 08:17 PM
It started out about creeping socialism, and now this thread has blown right by scripture taken completely out of context and is glorying in the idea of nationwide race wars.

What a waste of electrons.

Nobody is glorying in the idea of race wars, we are trying to prevent them.

Origanalist
07-27-2018, 09:49 PM
Trump is speaking for us, GOD willing he will speak louder or we will get someone else who will.

The hell he is.

Origanalist
07-27-2018, 09:55 PM
The Americans who voted for him and those of us who didn't but support his efforts to protect Americans from illegal and excessive immigration.

You're completely full of shit and phony as a three dollar bill. Nobody who has two brain cells to rub together believes you don't support Trump. Despite all your insincere protestations.

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 10:19 PM
You're completely full of $#@! and phony as a three dollar bill. Nobody who has two brain cells to rub together believes you don't support Trump. Despite all your insincere protestations.

I didn't vote for him but as he has exceeded my expectations I may next time, I have made that clear.

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 10:20 PM
The hell he is.

I said "us" that means Americans who care about preserving liberty not Anarchist losers who want to let the barbarians in the gates.

Origanalist
07-27-2018, 10:24 PM
I said "us" that means Americans who care about preserving liberty not Anarchist losers who want to let the barbarians in the gates.

Ah ha! I knew it! You're Micheal Medved!

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 10:27 PM
Ah ha! I knew it! You're Micheal Medved!

I knew it! you're Uncle Joe Carson!

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Origanalist
07-27-2018, 10:35 PM
I said "us" that means Americans who care about preserving liberty not Anarchist losers who want to let the barbarians in the gates.

It rather ironic that Ron Paul, you know, the guy this forum is dedicated to, makes no such denigrating remarks about anarchists. Yet you seem to dedicate your entire life to twisting the forum named after him into a bastardization in your own image.

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 10:38 PM
Banned

apparently thought it was cool to post this garbage here,,
Wonder where he got that idea?

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 10:39 PM
It rather ironic that Ron Paul, you know, the guy this forum is dedicated to, makes no such denigrating remarks about anarchists. Yet you seem to dedicate your entire life to twisting the forum named after him into a bastardization in your own image.

I'm not a politician fishing for donations and votes, I am free to discuss the suicidal nature of anarchism.

pcosmar
07-27-2018, 10:40 PM
It rather ironic that Ron Paul, you know, the guy this forum is dedicated to, makes no such denigrating remarks about anarchists. Yet you seem to dedicate your entire life to twisting the forum named after him into a bastardization in your own image.

Is that not contrary to the Site Mission?

Swordsmyth
07-27-2018, 10:42 PM
Is that not contrary to the Site Mission?

I could argue that supporting the flood of foreign communists into this country was but apparently the site owner doesn't think so.