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Anti Federalist
07-24-2018, 06:49 AM
So, I understand that a heat wave will stress the system, but where are those millions and millions and millions of electric cars going to draw power from?

You can barely meet peak demand now.

What happens when a brand new, multi terawatt load comes online?



California power grid urges consumers to conserve energy in heat wave

https://www.yahoo.com/news/socalgas-issues-natgas-curtailment-watch-ahead-california-heat-143930810--finance.html

Reuters Reuters•July 23, 2018
(Reuters) - California's power grid operator on Monday issued an alert to homes and businesses to conserve electricity on Tuesday and Wednesday when a heat wave is expected to blanket the state.

The California Independent System Operator (ISO), the grid operator, said it issued the so-called "Flex Alert" due to high temperatures across the western United States, reduced electricity imports into the state, tight natural gas supplies in Southern California and high wildfire risk.

The ISO's alert followed an earlier notice by Southern California Gas Co (SoCalGas), the gas utility for the southern part of the state.

SoCalGas issued a gas curtailment watch on Monday, notifying customers to be prepared to reduce gas use if needed, with power generators expected to burn more fuel this week than usual to keep air conditioners humming.

SoCalGas, a unit of California energy company Sempra Energy, said the watch would remain in effect until further notice.

High temperatures in Los Angeles were forecast to top 90 degrees Fahrenheit (32 Celsius) Monday-Friday with the mercury expected to reach 97 degrees on Wednesday, according to AccuWeather. The normal high in the city at this time of year is 84 degrees.

The ISO said consumers "can help avoid power interruptions" by turning off all unnecessary lights, using major appliances before 5 p.m. and after 9 p.m., and setting air conditioners to 78 degrees or higher.

Gas supplies are expected to remain tight in Southern California this summer and winter due to reduced availability from SoCalGas' Aliso Canyon storage facility in Los Angeles, following a massive leak between October 2015 and February 2016, and ongoing shutdowns of several pipelines.

SoCalGas projected gas demand would rise from 3.0 billion cubic feet per day (bcfd) on Monday to 3.1 bcfd on Tuesday and 3.2 bcfd on Wednesday and Thursday, while receipts of the fuel via pipelines into California would only total about 2.6 bcfd.

That means SoCalGas will have to tap storage fields to make up the difference, which could hurt the utility's ability to stockpile enough fuel to avoid curtailments for some power and industrial customers on the coldest days during the winter heating season.

State and federal agencies have projected SoCalGas will only be able to deliver about 3.6 bcfd from non-Aliso storage fields due to the Aliso limitations and pipeline outages, which has only occurred once in the summer in the past five years but is fairly common in the winter.

CaptUSA
07-24-2018, 09:23 AM
So, I understand that a heat wave will stress the system, but where are those millions and millions and millions of electric cars going to draw power from?

You can barely meet peak demand now.

What happens when a brand new, multi terawatt load comes online?

Unicorn farts and rainbow power? Maybe just the power of love.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkAVfsw5xSQ

VIDEODROME
07-24-2018, 09:31 AM
Obviously they don't have enough dirty energy and should order a shipment of coal from West Virginia.

angelatc
07-24-2018, 09:36 AM
We need to subsidize the wind and solar industries ASAP!

According to Dannno a lot of people don't even have air conditioning. Good thing.

shakey1
07-24-2018, 10:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEzz4QTvItA

Zippyjuan
07-24-2018, 11:29 AM
We need to subsidize the wind and solar industries ASAP!

According to Dannno a lot of people don't even have air conditioning. Good thing.

Coastal areas. The ocean helps moderate temperatures there. They don't get as hot (or as cold in winter- where I live it never gets down to freezing and doesn't go above 90 very often). Dannno is coastal too. Today temperatures in San Diego will be ranging from the low 80's at the coast to the 110's in the inland desert regions. Non- coastal areas do usually have air conditioning. We have several different climate regions just within our county- the coast (84 today and humid) , inland valleys (98), mountains (96), and the desert (116).

Kilrain
07-24-2018, 11:40 AM
Unless you're morbidly obese, really old or chronically ill, you don't need air conditioning when it's 30+ degrees Celsius. You just need to get used to it. If you bake yourself in the sun for X hours, you'll feel almost cool once you go back inside.

We're in the middle of a similar "heat wave" and the wife is thoroughly miserable, because she's always looking for the coolest place possible, while I seek out the hottest place possible and then cool down in places that are too hot for her.

And one giant plus is that hot weather helps you lose weight if you need it, since it's too hot to eat much. Exercising in the morning before it gets too hot helps as well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSFvK4Pzasg

acptulsa
07-24-2018, 11:58 AM
Obviously they don't have enough dirty energy and should order a shipment of coal from West Virginia.

You don't think all that plutonium and depleted uranium is dirtier than fly ash?

Anti Federalist
07-24-2018, 07:48 PM
Pffft... 86 (Freedom Units) and humid is miserable.

100 plus and humid (US Gulf Coast) is insufferable.

That's why I live where I live...where AC is a luxury, used for about 2-3 weeks out of the year.

3 el cheapo 5000 btu window units do the job.



Unless you're morbidly obese, really old or chronically ill, you don't need air conditioning when it's 30+ degrees Celsius. You just need to get used to it. If you bake yourself in the sun for X hours, you'll feel almost cool once you go back inside.

We're in the middle of a similar "heat wave" and the wife is thoroughly miserable, because she's always looking for the coolest place possible, while I seek out the hottest place possible and then cool down in places that are too hot for her.

And one giant plus is that hot weather helps you lose weight if you need it, since it's too hot to eat much. Exercising in the morning before it gets too hot helps as well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSFvK4Pzasg