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Brian4Liberty
07-23-2018, 09:38 PM
Abolish the FISA Court (https://www.wsj.com/articles/abolish-the-fisa-court-1532388170)
The introduction of judges shields the executive branch from accountability.
By William McGurn - July 23, 2018


On the gentle summer evening that was last Saturday night, the Justice Department finally made public the October 2016 application for a warrant to spy on Carter Page, a former Trump campaign official. The application’s release kicked off a furious effort by Democrats and their allies in the press to gaslight the American people into disbelieving what they could read with their own eyes. Yet notwithstanding all the sound and fury, its 412 pages—even in redacted form—largely vindicate the principal object of Democratic attack, California’s GOP Rep. Devin Nunes.

Back in February, Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee, led by Mr. Nunes, issued a report stating that the Steele dossier, compiled by a former British spy, was “an essential part” of the application for a warrant on Mr. Page under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. In this Mr. Nunes was supported by former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, who testified to Congress that without the Steele dossier there would have been no warrant.

The Nunes report further claimed the FISA application didn’t inform the judge that the Steele dossier was paid for by the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign. Here too Mr. Nunes has been proved right.
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Lost in the competing narratives, meanwhile, is the larger FISA scandal. The Page warrant confirms that a FISA court effectively insulates those who deploy the most formidable powers of the federal government from the consequences of what should be an extraordinary decision: spying on a fellow American.

Like so many other bad ideas, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act comes out of the 1970s. Senate hearings led by Idaho Democrat Frank Church exposed controversial domestic spying on Americans. Along with the general antipathy toward all things Nixon, it led Congress to enact FISA in 1978 and Jimmy Carter to sign it into law.
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As even the redacted version of the document released this weekend ought to make clear, a FISA court is no guarantee against surveillance abuse. To the contrary, it can invite questionable assertions of this extraordinary power because no one is ever really on the hook. In this case, instead of vetting Mr. Steele’s specific allegations, the FBI got away with deeming him “reliable” because they’d found him credible in other cases.
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When President Trump tweeted Monday morning that it was “looking more & more like the Trump Campaign for President was illegally being spied upon,” the common rejoinder was four judges had signed off on it.

Now ask yourself: Would Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein (who signed one of the renewal applications) and others be so quick to put their names on something like this if they didn’t have a FISA judge to give them cover?

The argument is not new. Just before FISA became law, a Yale law professor wrote a prophetic article in these pages about the abuses to come. His name was Robert Bork, and among his worries were that judges would show undue deference to intelligence agencies, that congressional committees wouldn’t be able to summon judges to explain their warrant approvals, and, above all, that giving courts the last say would have “the effect of immunizing everyone, and sooner or later that fact will be taken advantage of.”

In the short term, Mr. Trump would serve himself better by forgoing tweets about witch hunts and instead ordering the declassification of documents that would show the American people just what the Justice Department and the FBI did in 2016. In the longer term, Congress should consider getting rid of FISA courts altogether. Because without judges to hide behind, executive officials who order spying on their fellow citizens will have to own those decisions themselves.
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Brian4Liberty
07-24-2018, 09:08 AM
Not knowing a lot about Judge Bork other than the fact that they ripped him apart when he was nominated to the Supreme Court, this article gave a hint of why the swamp did not like him.

The original Bork Op-Ed:

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/bork03091978.pdf

Zippyjuan
07-24-2018, 11:00 AM
Yeah- they should not need permission to get any search warrants.

timosman
07-24-2018, 11:11 AM
Yeah- they should not need permission to get any search warrants.

Do they need one now?

Zippyjuan
07-24-2018, 11:12 AM
Do they need one now?

Yes.

Zippyjuan
07-24-2018, 11:15 AM
https://www.ajc.com/news/national/what-fisa-warrant/WqP428Eg04nHe933u1GazO/


What is its mission?

The court was set up to either approve or deny warrants requested by the United States government for surveillance of foreign spies inside of the United States. That warrant requests and the intelligence gathering is generally done by federal law enforcement agencies or U.S. intelligence agencies. The authorization allows for wiretapping a "foreign power or an agent of a foreign power" (which could include American citizens) suspected to be engaged in espionage or terrorism. Methods used in an investigation include electronic surveillance, physical searches and other actions. Generally, the attorney general signs the warrant requests.

How does it work?

When an agency requests a warrant from the FISA Court, the request falls to one of the 11 judges who sit on the court. It is up to that judge to either deny or approve the request for a surveillance warrant. If the request is denied, there is an avenue for appeal of the ruling, but that has happened only a handful of times in the history of the court.

Is there any other way to get surveillance warrant?

An alternate way a warrant for surveillance can be obtained is if the U.S. attorney general declares an emergency and authorizes the employment of the surveillance. The attorney general must notify a judge on the FISA Court, and must, within seven days, apply for a warrant for the action.

What rules must they follow?

While the proceedings are secret, there are rules that have to be followed. The statute that created FISA Courts bars targeted electronic surveillance in the United States unless there is evidence that a foreign power or agent of a foreign power is involved. Also, there has to be evidence that the facility -- an email address or phone number, for instance -- is being used by the foreign power or agent. In addition, the government must show that the information to be collected is "relevant" to any investigation of foreign espionage or terrorism.

The warrants are generally issued for up to 12 months, and they authorize the government to collect “bulk information.” That means that while Americans on U.S. soil who are not agents of a foreign government are not targeted, information collected could include communication between U.S. citizens.

However:


How many have been turned down?

As of 2013, the FISA court has denied only 12 warrants since its inception. It has granted more than 34,000 requests since its inception.

shakey1
07-24-2018, 11:30 AM
Get rid of it.:anti:

Danke
07-24-2018, 12:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=188&v=kbvehf7HDPE

Swordsmyth
07-24-2018, 02:25 PM
Yeah- they should not need permission to get any search warrants.

They should have to get a normal warrant from a normal court.

Anti Globalist
07-24-2018, 06:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=188&v=kbvehf7HDPE
Oh look its Hannity trying to pretend he's never been a part of the deep state.

Brian4Liberty
07-25-2018, 10:44 PM
Yeah- they should not need permission to get any search warrants.

Yeah, right, that's what the article said. Is there any part of the swamp you don't defend?

No one should oppose communism or socialism. It's a good idea on paper, what could possibly go wrong?

timosman
07-25-2018, 10:48 PM
Yeah, right, that's what the article said. Is there any part of the swamp you don't defend?

No one should oppose communism or socialism. It's a good idea on paper, what could possibly go wrong?

How can you be so openly hostile to Zippy? :cool: