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Aratus
07-22-2018, 11:38 PM
She just unseated a career politician!

pcosmar
07-22-2018, 11:51 PM
Had to go with all of the above,, given the choices.

seems a bit whack to me,

thoughtomator
07-23-2018, 12:24 AM
She's a Communist.

timosman
07-23-2018, 12:28 AM
She's a Communist.

Is it time to declare DNC illegal? :confused:

Aratus
07-23-2018, 01:12 AM
Joe McCarthy tried to do that in the 1950s...

eleganz
07-23-2018, 04:07 AM
She just unseated a career politician!


Not unseated yet, the incumbent is looking to maintain relevance in the race by being a third party vote.

I don't know if I want Cortez to win or lose, both would be equally entertaining.

shakey1
07-23-2018, 05:27 AM
Once in office, her true colors will be revealed.

AuH20
07-23-2018, 06:37 AM
Joe McCarthy tried to do that in the 1950s...

Unfortunately, he was right.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2009/07/17/declassified-documents-reveal-kgb-spies-in-the-us

Suzanimal
07-23-2018, 08:36 AM
Ocasio-Cortez explained her take on democratic socialism during an interview with Stephen Colbert on June 29. Ocasio-Cortez emphasized that, for her, democratic socialism means ensuring that everyone's fundamental rights and needs are met and respected. As the congressional candidate described:

For me, democratic socialism is about ... I believe that in a modern, moral, and wealthy society, no person in America should be too poor to live ... Seems pretty simple. So what that means to me is health care as a human right. It means that every child no matter where you are born should have access to a college or trade school education if they so choose it. I think that no person should be homeless, if we can have public structures and public policies to allow for people to have homes and food and lead a dignified life in the United States.

https://www.bustle.com/p/what-do-democratic-socialists-believe-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-sums-it-up-in-her-own-words-9659030

CaptUSA
07-23-2018, 09:12 AM
Ocasio-Cortez explained her take on democratic socialism during an interview with Stephen Colbert on June 29. Ocasio-Cortez emphasized that, for her, democratic socialism means ensuring that everyone's fundamental rights and needs are met and respected.

Lol. Unfortunately, you cannot ensure everyone's needs are met if you want to ensure their fundamental rights. In fact, if you try to ensure everyone's needs are met, you will have no rights - and then, you will still not satisfy everyone's needs.

Capitalism creates wealth. Socialism's only concern is the distribution of wealth, which only ends up destroying wealth.

shakey1
07-23-2018, 09:33 AM
Lol. Unfortunately, you cannot ensure everyone's needs are met if you want to ensure their fundamental rights. In fact, if you try to ensure everyone's needs are met, you will have no rights - and then, you will still not satisfy everyone's needs.

Agreed.


... ensuring that everyone's fundamental rights and needs are met and respected.

... depends on what one believes your 'rights' should include... the right to have your fundamental 'needs' met???

nobody's_hero
07-23-2018, 09:37 AM
Don't forget this primary was determined by a pathetically small number of voters given the size of the district.

eleganz
07-23-2018, 10:34 AM
https://www.bustle.com/p/what-do-democratic-socialists-believe-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-sums-it-up-in-her-own-words-9659030


Don't know how many RPF members have had discussions with this new generation of "democratic socialists" but I took some time to hear one out, they genuinely believe free healthcare and college will save the world from the dangers of unrestrained capitalism. They think these free programs are cheap and saves money in the long run, its a mass hysterical delusion, thanks to f'ing Bernie Sanders.

CaptUSA
07-23-2018, 11:09 AM
Don't know how many RPF members have had discussions with this new generation of "democratic socialists" but I took some time to hear one out, they genuinely believe free healthcare and college will save the world from the dangers of unrestrained capitalism. They think these free programs are cheap and saves money in the long run, its a mass hysterical delusion, thanks to f'ing Bernie Sanders.

They're going off of what they believe to be the Nordic model. However, they don't really understand the Nordic model. In their model countries like Denmark, they have VERY low regulation, no minimum wage, and almost zero protectionism in trade. If you only looked at those aspects, Denmark looks like one of the most capitalistic countries in the world. But they never tell you that - because they don't want that. They only want the free stuff.

In short, those countries use the wealth created by capitalism to fund socialist medicine and education. But they can only afford to do this because their defense (and medical innovation) is being heavily subsidized by the US. Their health care and education industries are a drag on their economies and always run at a loss - it's just that they have freedom in other places that generates enough wealth to cover it.

Here's the question to ask them: How does socialism create wealth? It stumps them every time, because they only think about how to distribute wealth.

AuH20
07-23-2018, 11:22 AM
Don't know how many RPF members have had discussions with this new generation of "democratic socialists" but I took some time to hear one out, they genuinely believe free healthcare and college will save the world from the dangers of unrestrained capitalism. They think these free programs are cheap and saves money in the long run, its a mass hysterical delusion, thanks to f'ing Bernie Sanders.

But once those two items were removed from the list of grievances, they would move onto their next delusion. Their appetite for self-destruction cannot be satisfied.

pcosmar
07-23-2018, 11:22 AM
Joe McCarthy tried to do that in the 1950s...

Not really.
It was a bunch of Socialists pointing fingers,,"Look over there. A Communist".

While establishing Socialist programs that exist to this day.

Anti Federalist
07-23-2018, 11:28 AM
She's a dimwit and hypocrite...which I suppose is the curriculum vitiate for being a socialist.

How radical she is, in today's understanding of the word, is "not very".

She is in favor of what most Amerikunts want...especially urban, immigrant and minority AmeriKa.

Suzanimal
07-23-2018, 11:30 AM
They're going off of what they believe to be the Nordic model. However, they don't really understand the Nordic model. In their model countries like Denmark, they have VERY low regulation, no minimum wage, and almost zero protectionism in trade. If you only looked at those aspects, Denmark looks like one of the most capitalistic countries in the world. But they never tell you that - because they don't want that. They only want the free stuff.

In short, those countries use the wealth created by capitalism to fund socialist medicine and education. But they can only afford to do this because their defense (and medical innovation) is being heavily subsidized by the US. Their health care and education industries are a drag on their economies and always run at a loss - it's just that they have freedom in other places that generates enough wealth to cover it.

Here's the question to ask them: How does socialism create wealth? It stumps them every time, because they only think about how to distribute wealth.


...

White-Washing Socialism
Leftists have tried their best to re-brand and obfuscate socialism to make it palatable to the misinformed masses.

No matter how many times socialist experiments have failed—from the Soviet Union to present-day Venezuela —many naïve leftists continue their never-ending goose chase for a socialist experiment that works.

The casual mention of socialism in political discourse is troubling.

When countries like Venezuela are crumbling before our very eyes it is astounding that many elected officials continue to flirt with the idea of implementing socialism.

In the Left’s imagination, Scandinavia is the silver bullet to the capitalist model.

This tired trope ignores several crucial details about the Nordic countries’ prosperity:

1. They are among the freest economies in the world (which admittedly may not be saying much), according to various economic freedom indices. At worst, they are mixed economies.

2. As highlighted in works like Scandinavian Unexceptionalism, Nordic countries first became rich through capitalism well before the welfare state was established.

Facts notwithstanding, the political Left continues to doze off into economic lala land and relies on raw emotion to draw conclusions on political economy.

...

https://mises.org/wire/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-was-predictable

Anti Federalist
07-23-2018, 11:47 AM
This tired trope ignores several crucial details about the Nordic countries’ prosperity:

1. They are among the freest economies in the world (which admittedly may not be saying much), according to various economic freedom indices. At worst, they are mixed economies.

2. As highlighted in works like Scandinavian Unexceptionalism, Nordic countries first became rich through capitalism well before the welfare state was established.

They also have (had) a homogeneous culture that universally accepted the idea of having "just enough" or "this will do, no more please".

It is called lagom.

CaptUSA
07-23-2018, 11:51 AM
They also have (had) a homogeneous culture that universally accepted the idea of having "just enough" or "this will do, no more please".

It is called lagom.
I've often wondered if there isn't an opportunity here in some respect... What I mean is, they have been led to believe that the Nordic model is the ideal system - if we could educate them on how the Nordic model creates wealth, then perhaps some of them may be converted. It's got to be a start if you could get them to champion the free market, if only in certain sectors.

Anti Federalist
07-23-2018, 12:45 PM
I've often wondered if there isn't an opportunity here in some respect... What I mean is, they have been led to believe that the Nordic model is the ideal system - if we could educate them on how the Nordic model creates wealth, then perhaps some of them may be converted. It's got to be a start if you could get them to champion the free market, if only in certain sectors.

A vaild point perhaps...I would start with the question you posted earlier:


Here's the question to ask them: How does socialism create wealth? It stumps them every time, because they only think about how to distribute wealth.

timosman
07-23-2018, 12:54 PM
Here's the question to ask them: How does socialism create wealth? It stumps them every time, because they only think about how to distribute wealth.


The answer is easy. People simply consume less and use fewer resources but take a lot of pride in doing what's right for the "community". :cool:

CaptUSA
07-23-2018, 12:59 PM
The answer is easy. People simply consume less and use fewer resources but take a lot of pride in doing what's right for the "community". :cool:

Trolling snark aside, that is similar to the rebuttal most often heard. "Who needs wealth? Wealth is bad." But then the question becomes what happens to that "community" when it no longer has any wealth?

timosman
07-23-2018, 01:05 PM
Trolling snark aside, that is similar to the rebuttal most often heard. "Who needs wealth? Wealth is bad." But then the question becomes what happens to that "community" when it no longer has any wealth?

It grows bigger by merging with other "communities" who don't have any wealth either. This mega-monster is chasing everybody still above the poverty level and sucks them dry.

Anti Federalist
07-23-2018, 01:08 PM
Trolling snark aside, that is similar to the rebuttal most often heard. "Who needs wealth? Wealth is bad." But then the question becomes what happens to that "community" when it no longer has any wealth?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f9/c5/e8/f9c5e895739cf92316fe02a60fcad213.jpg

https://johnrieber.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/south-africa-slums.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThtSb0Ku1z5t-xW0U__87x92EQMl5VFkpLUkJrP7Zk_WepqTmoLg

timosman
07-23-2018, 01:12 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Code_of_the_Builder_of_Communism



Loyalty to Communism, and love of the socialist Motherland and other socialist countries.
Conscious work for the good of the society: One who doesn't work, doesn't get to eat.
Care for the collective property, as well as the multiplying of this property.
High consciousness of the social responsibilities, and intolerance to the violation of the social interests.
Collectivism and comradery: All for one and one for all.
Humane relationships between human beings: One human being is a friend, a comrade and a brother to another human being.
Honesty, ethical cleanliness, as well as simplicity and modesty both in private and public life.
Mutual respect in the family, and care for the upbringing of the children.
Intolerance to the injustice, social parasitism, unfairness, careerism, and acquisitiveness.
Friendship and brotherhood with all the nations of the USSR, intolerance to all racial and national dislike.
Intolerance to the enemies of communism, peace and freedom of peoples of the world.
Brotherly solidarity to all workers of all countries and nations.

Jan2017
07-23-2018, 04:11 PM
The last group of seditious conspirators charged and convicted under 18 U.S.C. section 2384 were
the Puerto Rican nationals in 1972.
I am sure she is familiar with these laws and will be an asset to the nation.

You Go PR BX Girl !

oyarde
07-23-2018, 04:24 PM
She is a typical east coast or west coast modern leftist so far as I can tell . So , yes , very radical in comparison to what is considered publicly acceptable where I live. To put it into context here , Joe Donnely ( dem senator from this state ) cannot carry 41 percent of the vote in this county with more regtd people of his own party than any opposition party .

ThePaleoLibertarian
07-23-2018, 09:21 PM
I don't know if I want Cortez to win or lose, both would be equally entertaining.
I , for one, want her to win. Very much so. I also want Brianna Wu to win her race too. That would be the ultimate.

Swordsmyth
07-23-2018, 09:35 PM
I , for one, want her to win. Very much so. I also want Brianna Wu to win her race too. That would be the ultimate.

I want to see the Republican win that seat but she will be better for our cause than the incumbent.

timosman
07-23-2018, 09:36 PM
I want to see the Republican win that seat but she will be better for our cause than the incumbent.

Agree. Maxine is about to retire. We need a fresh face.

timosman
08-01-2018, 01:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsLFYK59C5Y

timosman
08-09-2018, 09:55 PM
https://static.thefederalistpapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/iPyAtV5.jpg

timosman
08-09-2018, 09:57 PM
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Jamesiv1
08-09-2018, 10:22 PM
She has a large and lovely bosom so let's cut her a little slack, Ok?

timosman
08-12-2018, 10:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTq7KlLrREY


Ocasio-Cortez will be the first DSA member in Congress since Rep. Ron Dellums left office in 1998, but she isn’t the first candidate to score a dramatic upset with the help of the leftist organization. And if they have their way, she won’t be the last.

Aratus
08-17-2018, 09:36 PM
If the district tends to go Democrat often in the recent past, even if her RADICALISM causes
some Democrats, moderates and independent voters to stay home, she might narrowly win?

Aratus
09-06-2018, 02:10 AM
ole MIKE CAPUANO just got SEMI-RETIRED by a young RADICAL DEMOCRAT.
Keep in mind Mr.Bernie and Ms.Hillary differ on how things are done. Not their
iiiiiiiiiiiidddddddddddddeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaarr rrrssss. Had to do a bump.