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Zippyjuan
07-18-2018, 02:41 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/18/politics/trump-military-parade-cost/index.html


Trump's military parade expected to cost nearly as much as 'tremendously expensive' canceled war games

President Donald Trump's military parade in DC is likely to cost nearly as much as the now canceled military exercise with South Korea that Trump called "tremendously expensive" and said cost "a fortune," three US defense officials tell CNN.

The parade, which is now scheduled to take place on November 10, is currently estimated to cost approximately $12 million, the officials said. One official called the number "a planning figure," saying cost estimates could still change as planning develops.

"We save a fortune by not doing war games, as long as we are negotiating in good faith - which both sides are!" Trump tweeted in June following his meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Singapore.

North Korea had long sought an end to the exercises, which it says are provocative. US military leaders have said the exercises are necessary to maintain the readiness of US troops in South Korea.

Pentagon spokesman Col. Rob Manning told reporters earlier this month that the now-cancelled US-South Korea Freedom Guardian Exercise was estimated to cost approximately $14 million.

"The intent for the parade," is to coincide with the 100th anniversary of World War I, Manning said.

The war ended on November 11, 1918 and France's President Emmanuel Macron plans to host world leaders for a parade marking the centenary of the war's end.

Trump proposed the DC parade shortly after attending a Bastille Day military parade in Paris.

CNN previously reported that the parade would focus on celebrating veterans and involve US troops in period uniforms as well as US military aircraft but no heavy vehicles like tanks in order to prevent damage to infrastructure.

phill4paul
07-18-2018, 02:46 PM
Only traitors honor the military.

Swordsmyth
07-18-2018, 02:49 PM
Even if the costs were equivalent (a claim I doubt), the parade won't jeopardize the peace talks with Kim.

TER
07-18-2018, 02:50 PM
Can’t wait to go!! We should have a RPF meetup there.

Zippyjuan
07-18-2018, 03:08 PM
Even if the costs were equivalent (a claim I doubt), the parade won't jeopardize the peace talks with Kim.

I guess he already got what he wanted- the photo-op. He declared the "problem solved" when he left his meetings with Kim.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/18/politics/trump-north-korea-negotiations-intl/index.html


Trump says 'no rush' on North Korea nuclear negotiations

President Donald Trump said Wednesday there is "no rush" in its negotiations with North Korea over Pyongyang's nuclear weapons program.

"Russia has agreed to help with North Korea, where relationships with us are very good and the process is moving along. There is no rush, the sanctions remain! Big benefits and exciting future for North Korea at end of process!" Trump tweeted.

The tweet came in a series of early morning messages from the President as he defended his inflammatory news conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, Finland, earlier in the week.

On Tuesday, while clarifying remarks he made at the news conference, Trump also said there was "no time limit" on North Korea and that sanctions would remain in place.

"A major topic of discussion was North Korea and the need for it to remove its nuclear weapons. Russia has assured us of its support. President Putin said he agrees with me 100%, and they'll do whatever they have to do to try and make it happen," Trump said.

"Discussions are ongoing and they're going very, very well. We have no rush for speed ... We have no time limit. We have no speed limit. We have -- we're just going through the process. But the relationships are very good. President Putin is going to be involved in the sense that he is with us."

Although the Trump administration formerly called for an immediate denuclearization of North Korea, Trump and administration officials in recent months have backed off that demand.



US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo appeared to concur with that assessment earlier this month. He said negotiations with North Korea are a "decades-long challenge" that involves North Korea making a fundamental shift in its strategic decision making.

Swordsmyth
07-18-2018, 03:11 PM
I guess he already got what he wanted- the photo-op.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/18/politics/trump-north-korea-negotiations-intl/index.html

Haste makes waste.

Rushing things is likely to result in failure.

Zippyjuan
07-18-2018, 03:16 PM
Haste makes waste.

Rushing things is likely to result in failure.

He already said the problem was solved. He got it in writing (even though the document didn't do anything).

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/trump-claims-he-has-solved-the-north-korea-nuclear-problem/news-story/cccb9c8e1e8ef3915fafad97651623b8


Donald Trump claims he has ‘solved’ the North Korea nuclear problem

US President Donald Trump says he wishes people would “sit up at attention” for him like North Koreans do for their leader Kim Jong-un, a joke that sparked instant outrage on social media and cable news.

It was the latest example of a Trump remark about strongmen leaders - delivered in a deadpan style - to fall flat and fuel perceptions among his critics that the president admires autocrats.

Trump was asked during a Fox News Channel interview outside the West Wing on Friday if he would invite Kim to the White House. The two met earlier this week to begin to discuss Pyongyang’s nuclear program, a summit marked by what Trump said was friendly chemistry between them.

Mr Trump also said he would like Americans to “sit up at attention” when he speaks like North Koreans do for Kim.

“Hey, he is the head of a country and I mean he is the strong head,” the president said. “Don’t let anyone think anything different.

“He speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same.”

Kim is suspected of ordering the assassination of his half-brother in February and the execution of his uncle in 2013. UN investigations have also reported human rights violations, the use of political prison camps and the widespread use of starvation as a tool to enforce political loyalty.

However, Mr Trump later said he was kidding and that reporters “don’t understand sarcasm”.

Trump has given himself high praise following his summit with Kim Jong-un, claiming that he has “largely solved” the North Korean nuclear problem.

Speaking to reporters outside the White House, Mr Trump said president Barack Obama told him before he took office that the “most dangerous problem” for the United States was North Korea’s nuclear weapons program.

“I have solved that problem,” the president said.

“Now we’re getting it memorialised and all but that problem is largely solved. We signed a very good document.

Zippyjuan
07-18-2018, 03:27 PM
More "progress".

http://time.com/5342317/north-korea-trump-war-dead/

Trump claimed:


That’s a big step back from his false assertion June 20 in Duluth, Minnesota: “We got back our great fallen heroes, the remains sent back today, already 200 got sent back.”

But none have been "sent back".


North Korea Hasn't Started Returning American War Dead Despite Promise

More than a month after North Korea pledged to immediately return some American war dead, the promise is unfulfilled.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who traveled to Pyongyang this month to press the North Koreans further, said Wednesday the return could begin “in the next couple of weeks.” But it could take months or years to positively identify the bones as those of specific American servicemen.

In a joint statement at their Singapore summit, President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un committed to recovering the remains of prisoners of war and those missing in action decades after the Korean War — “including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.”

That was more than a month ago, on June 12. Although Trump said eight days later that the repatriation had happened, it had not. It still has not. So, it was not “immediate,” though the Stars and Stripes newspaper reported from South Korea on Tuesday that the North has agreed to transfer as many as 55 sets of remains next week. The Pentagon and the State Department declined to comment on any specifics promised by the North.

“We’re making progress along the border to get the return of remains, a very important issue for those families,” Pompeo said Wednesday at the White House. “I think in the next couple of weeks we’ll have the first remains returned, that’s the commitment, so progress certainly being made there.”

Likely also to prove untrue is the part of the Trump-Kim statement that said the North had war remains “already identified.” It apparently has bones and perhaps associated personal effects, but history shows that any remains handed over by the North are likely to be difficult to identify. In recent days the State Department has changed that phrase to “already collected,” suggesting it realized the remains have not been identified.

“There are no missing Americans who have been ‘already identified’ by the DPRK (North Korea) to be repatriated,” says Paul Cole, who has researched POW-MIA issues from the Korean War for decades and served for four years as a scientific fellow at the Pentagon’s Central Identification Laboratory in Hawaii. He said this element of the Singapore statement “reflects a near total ignorance of the role of science” in accounting for war dead.

There is even some doubt that any remains turned over would be of Americans. Trump admitted as much in a CBS News interview July 14.

“You know, remains are complicated,” he said. “Some of the remains, they don’t even know if they are remains.”

More at link.

Swordsmyth
07-18-2018, 03:28 PM
He already said the problem was solved. He got it in writing (even though the document didn't do anything).

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/trump-claims-he-has-solved-the-north-korea-nuclear-problem/news-story/cccb9c8e1e8ef3915fafad97651623b8

And it will take time for the solution to be implemented.

Zippyjuan
07-18-2018, 03:30 PM
And it will take time for the solution to be implemented.

What is the "solution"? No details on anything have been agreed on.

Swordsmyth
07-18-2018, 03:31 PM
More "progress".

http://time.com/5342317/north-korea-trump-war-dead/

Trump claimed:



But none have been "sent back".



More at link.


What is the "solution"? No details on anything have been agreed on.


North Korea Blasts Western Media, Assures Complete Denuclearization (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?524275-North-Korea-Blasts-Western-Media-Assures-Complete-Denuclearization)

Zippyjuan
07-18-2018, 03:37 PM
North Korea Blasts Western Media, Assures Complete Denuclearization (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?524275-North-Korea-Blasts-Western-Media-Assures-Complete-Denuclearization)

Original article Infowars cites makes no promises of denuclearization. http://arirangmeari.com/index.php?t=ring&no=2080

In fact, the opposite.

(google translation):


Before and after the recent high-level summit talks, American intelligence agencies and media are pushing the opinion that "the North is expanding its nuclear and missile facilities" and "North Korea is breaking the promise of complete denuclearization." This "dilemma of North Korean denuclearization" has been extended to hard-line arguments such as "the champagne burst too early" and "the resumption of suspended US-ROK military exercises" by US conservative proponents and experts.

Such impure public opinion is only a ransom of dissenters in the United States that can be guaranteed their interests if war or military tensions remain in North America. It is said that "some of the factions in the CIA, alienated by the tensions between the US and North Korea, are re-promoting the crisis by spreading the urge to denuclearize North Korea with US military leaders." .

The problem is that the current government is willing to use it as a pressure on the DPRK, knowing that the "disgrace for the denuclearization of North Korea" is a ransom for their opponents to pursue an impure purpose. The US attitude, which stuck solely on unilateral and rude demand for denuclearization, such as CVID and declaration and verification of nuclear facilities, is not the same as the one that we recently raised at the high- .

The creation of a new is always accompanied by a struggle with the old, and innovations are always accompanied by obstacles. If we break away from the past 70 years of history, which was dominated by distrust and confrontation, and open up a new future of peace and prosperity, we will not see the opposition and oppositionists, but we will break apart old and boldly, We have to solve the problems.

In other words, good results can be achieved in seasonal negotiations by showing faithfulness in a phased and simultaneous actual action based on the spirit of trust and respect.

There is no change in our principles and our active will to sincerely reaffirm the spirit of the spirit of reunion and the joint statement

timosman
07-18-2018, 03:41 PM
Is anybody enjoying juvenile discussions w/Zippy? :confused:

oyarde
07-18-2018, 03:43 PM
Can’t wait to go!! We should have a RPF meetup there.

I will not be able to make it but I did have you down to buy me a beer , lol

Zippyjuan
07-18-2018, 03:44 PM
Is anybody enjoying juvenile discussions w/Zippy? :confused:

Thank you for you usual informative contribution to the discussion.

dannno
07-18-2018, 04:00 PM
If he uses the parade to announce troops coming home, it will be worth every penny.

timosman
07-18-2018, 04:02 PM
If he uses the parade to announce troops coming home, it will be worth every penny.

I am sure Zippy would be excited.

Swordsmyth
07-18-2018, 04:02 PM
Original article Infowars cites makes no promises of denuclearization. http://arirangmeari.com/index.php?t=ring&no=2080

In fact, the opposite.

(google translation):
They are only objecting to the demands by some that they denuclearize unilaterally and all at once and yesterday.


In other words, good results can be achieved in seasonal negotiations by showing faithfulness in a phased and simultaneous actual action based on the spirit of trust and respect.

There is no change in our principles and our active will to sincerely reaffirm the spirit of the spirit of reunion and the joint statement

Zippyjuan
07-18-2018, 04:04 PM
They are only objecting to the demands by some that they denuclearize unilaterally and all at once and yesterday.

They do not promise to dencularize as the headline claims. They do say they will make moves only if the US makes moves (but no moves are specified).


phased and simultaneous actual action

Swordsmyth
07-18-2018, 04:17 PM
They do not promise to dencularize as the headline claims. They do say they will make moves only if the US makes moves (but no moves are specified).

There is no change in our principles and our active will to sincerely reaffirm the spirit of the spirit of reunion and the joint statement

Zippyjuan
07-18-2018, 04:21 PM
There is no change in our principles and our active will to sincerely reaffirm the spirit of the spirit of reunion and the joint statement

The joint statement also does not promise that North Korea will denuclearize. It was an outline of some goals for possible future talks without any specifics.

Swordsmyth
07-18-2018, 04:42 PM
The joint statement also does not promise that North Korea will denuclearize. It was an outline of some goals for possible future talks without any specifics.

Joint Statement of President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea at the Singapore Summit
President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK) held a first, historic summit in Singapore on June 12, 2018.
President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un conducted a comprehensive, in-depth, and sincere exchange of opinions on the issues related to the establishment of new U.S.-DPRK relations and the building of a lasting and robust peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. President Trump committed to provide security guarantees to the DPRK, and Chairman Kim Jong Un reaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.
Convinced that the establishment of new U.S.-DPRK relations will contribute to the peace and prosperity of the Korean Peninsula and of the world, and recognizing that mutual confidence building can promote the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un state the following:


The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.
The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.
Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.
The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.




More at: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/06/joint-statement-north-korean-leader-president-180612091218916.html

Zippyjuan
07-18-2018, 04:52 PM
There was not an agreement on what "denuclearisation" even means. Does "of the Korean Peninsula" mean all US forces must leave Korea? Korea is saying they won't make moves until the US does. The US says they won't make moves until Korea does.

North Korea also promised George W. Bush and Bill Clinton that they would get rid of their nuclear programs. These discussions are moving along the exact same tracks.

Swordsmyth
07-18-2018, 05:17 PM
There was not an agreement on what "denuclearisation" even means.
What is the meaning of "is" zip?


Does "of the Korean Peninsula" mean all US forces must leave Korea? Korea is saying they won't make moves until the US does. The US says they won't make moves until Korea does.
Hence ongoing negotiations.


North Korea also promised George W. Bush and Bill Clinton that they would get rid of their nuclear programs. These discussions are moving along the exact same tracks.
We shall see.

RonZeplin
07-18-2018, 05:52 PM
A vain attempt to keep up with Hillary's Ukrainian Euro-Nazis

https://images04.military.com/sites/default/files/styles/full/public/2017-12/officials_us_agrees_to_provide_lethal_weapons_to_u kraine.png?itok=SpJFZh6w