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AuH20
07-18-2018, 09:13 AM
https://www.autoblog.com/2018/07/15/paul-mosley-arizona-speeding-police-video/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdbZIPusCMw

PursuePeace
07-18-2018, 09:25 AM
Just Us.

jkr
07-18-2018, 10:19 AM
SOMETHING, SOMETHING EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE...S H I T

SOMETHING, SOMETHING "PUBLIC SAFE-TEE"...HAHAHAHAHAHAH

SOMETHING, SOMETHING MORE = THAN, U KNOW THE REST

acptulsa
07-18-2018, 10:59 AM
"I don't break the law because I can, I'm just trying to get home to my wife." At 97 mph.

Ah, of course.

dean.engelhardt
07-18-2018, 11:16 AM
A clause in the Arizona constitution does confer immunity from arrest to members of the state legislature "in all cases except treason, felony, and breach of the peace" just before, and while, the legislature is in session. Driving faster than 85 mph in Arizona is only a Class 3 misdemeanor.

My guess is that this clause exists because the politicians knew they needed it. This is just to messed up.

pcosmar
07-18-2018, 11:19 AM
Get out of Jail free Card.

nice to have

devil21
07-18-2018, 11:33 AM
Get out of Jail free Card.

nice to have

State Rep knows how the legal system really works and the cop knows it too. The sheep do not know the system and are sheared accordingly. It is a get-out-of-jail-free-card but not specifically because of his position but rather because of his knowledge of the system.

Swordsmyth
07-18-2018, 02:09 PM
A clause in the Arizona constitution does confer immunity from arrest to members of the state legislature "in all cases except treason, felony, and breach of the peace" just before, and while, the legislature is in session. Driving faster than 85 mph in Arizona is only a Class 3 misdemeanor.


My guess is that this clause exists because the politicians knew they needed it. This is just to messed up.

Why isn't speeding a "breach of the peace"?

acptulsa
07-18-2018, 03:28 PM
Why isn't speeding a "breach of the peace"?

Because nobody cares if you get your panties in a knot over being passed the way a prog would.

Why are you on a libertarian site?

Swordsmyth
07-18-2018, 03:30 PM
Because nobody cares if you get your panties in a knot over being passed the way a prog would.

Why are you on a libertarian site?

I don't think speeding should be against the law but as long as it is a legislator shouldn't get a free pass, the only way speeding can be claimed to be a crime is if it is a breach of the peace.

What part of equal justice under the law don't you understand?

timosman
07-18-2018, 03:36 PM
I don't think speeding should be against the law but as long as it is a legislator shouldn't get a free pass, the only way speeding can be claimed to be a crime is if it is a breach of the peace.

What part of equal justice under the law don't you understand?

The swamp already enjoys libertarian nirvana. We just need to make sure the rest of us gets there. Am I clever or what?:cool:

acptulsa
07-18-2018, 04:05 PM
I don't think speeding should be against the law but as long as it is a legislator shouldn't get a free pass, the only way speeding can be claimed to be a crime is if it is a breach of the peace.

What part of equal justice under the law don't you understand?

You say driving a car is a breach of the peace, and that means I don't understand equal justice under the law?

timosman
07-18-2018, 04:13 PM
You say driving a car is a breach of the peace, and that means I don't understand equal justice under the law?

Strawman: driving == speeding.

acptulsa
07-18-2018, 04:15 PM
Strawman: driving == speeding.

Stupidity. Speeding is driving unless you're on a motorcycle (or the jurisdiction includes speed limit laws in something other than the motor vehicle code and your horse is damned fast).

But congratulations on meeting your low value post quota. In that you just never fail.

Swordsmyth
07-18-2018, 04:18 PM
You say driving a car is a breach of the peace, and that means I don't understand equal justice under the law?

Speeding not driving, if it is illegal it must be classified as a breach of the peace and legislators must be ticketed like everyone else.

timosman
07-18-2018, 04:18 PM
Stupidity. Speeding is driving unless you're on a motorcycle (or the jurisdiction includes speed limit laws in something other than the motor vehicle code and your horse is damned fast).

Have you tried this defense in court? :confused:

oyarde
07-18-2018, 04:18 PM
Why isn't speeding a "breach of the peace"?

I wonder too . Most certainly having a state trooper standing on the side of the road for unnecessary reasons is breach of peace . Around here that is how most of them get killed .

acptulsa
07-18-2018, 04:23 PM
Have you tried this defense in court? :confused:

Have I used the motor vehicle code defense in court? No, but I used it to shut the mouth of an obnoxious scooter-riding hipster who yelled at me for running a red light on a bicycle.

Why do you ask?


Speeding not driving, if it is illegal it must be classified as a breach of the peace and legislators must be ticketed like everyone else.

So the only law in all the land is breach of the peace? And if speeding is not driving, why don't the passengers get tickets too? They were going just as fast as the driver.

Just because you want to bend that law into something this legislator is not immune from doesn't mean you get to throw out half the Oxford and redefine the English language at will.

Swordsmyth
07-18-2018, 04:36 PM
So the only law in all the land is breach of the peace?
Nope, but speeding is a breach of the peace if it is illegal.
Everyone else is driving long at a safe speed and along comes the speeder and disrupts things.



And if speeding is not driving, why don't the passengers get tickets too? They were going just as fast as the driver.
I didn't say speeding wasn't driving, it is more than driving, it is driving at a speed deemed by the government to be unsafe, the passengers don't get tickets because they aren't in control of the vehicle.



Just because you want to bend that law into something this legislator is not immune from doesn't mean you get to throw out half the Oxford and redefine the English language at will.
Just because you want to argue with me over nothing to satisfy your obsession doesn't mean you get to pretend I did things I didn't do.

acptulsa
07-18-2018, 04:41 PM
Definition of breach of the peace

: a charge of making a lot of noise or behaving violently in public : disorderly conduct

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/breach%20of%20the%20peace

Every semi he passed was making more noise, and no one said he was being violent.

And if you can't stand smart answers, don't ask stupid questions.

Swordsmyth
07-18-2018, 04:47 PM
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/breach%20of%20the%20peace

Every semi he passed was making more noise, and no one said he was being violent.

And if you can't stand smart answers, don't ask stupid questions.

Definition of breach of the peace

: a charge of making a lot of noise or behaving violently in public : disorderly conduct

breach of the peace

n.
The legal (https://www.wordnik.com/words/legal) offense (https://www.wordnik.com/words/offense) of engaging in public (https://www.wordnik.com/words/public) behavior which is violent (https://www.wordnik.com/words/violent), rowdy (https://www.wordnik.com/words/rowdy), or disruptive (https://www.wordnik.com/words/disruptive).

n.
Any public disturbance (https://www.wordnik.com/words/disturbance) or disorderly (https://www.wordnik.com/words/disorderly) behavior.

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Breach of the PeaceA comprehensive term encompassing acts or conduct that seriously endanger or disturb public peace and order.
A breach of the peace was a common-law offense, but is presently governed by statute in many states. It is frequently defined as constituting a form of Disorderly Conduct (https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/disorderly+conduct). Examples include using abusive or obscene language in a public place, resisting a lawful arrest, and trespassing or damaging property when accompanied by violence.
Statutes commonly require that conduct constituting a breach of the peace must be clearly a type of misbehavior resulting in public unrest or disturbance. As an example, a prostitute who solicited men walking by on a public street from her window was found guilty of breaching the peace, but a man who raised his voice to a police officer while the officer was issuing a ticket to him was not guilty of the same offense.
A breach of the peace is synonymous with a disturbance of the peace. Jurisdictions that do not have a specific statutory provision for the offense may punish it as a form of disorderly conduct. The usual penalty imposed is either a fine, imprisonment, or both.

More at: https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/breach+of+the+peace


A violation of the public tranquillity and order. The offense of breaking or disturbing the public peace by any riotous, forcible, or unlawful proceeding. 4 Bl. Comm. 142. ct scq.; People v. Bartz, 53 Mich. 493, 19 X. W. 161; State v. White, 18 R. I. 473, 28 Atl. 968; People v. Wallace. 85 App. Div. 170, 83 N. Y. Supp. 130; Scougale v. Sweet, 124 Mich. 311, 82 N. W. 1061. A constructive breach of the peace is an unlawful act which, though wanting the elements of actual violence or injury to any person, is yet inconsistent with the peaceable and orderly conduct of society. Various kinds of misdemeanors are included in this general designation, such as sending challenges to fight, going armed in public without lawful reason and in a threatening manner, etc. An apprehended breach of the peace is caused by the conduct of a man who threatens another with violence or physical injury, or who goes about in public with dangerous and unusual weapons in a threatening or alarming manner, or who publishes an aggravated libel upon another, etc.

More at: https://thelawdictionary.org/breach-of-the-peace/

acptulsa
07-18-2018, 04:54 PM
Definition of breach of the peace

: a charge of making a lot of noise or behaving violently in public : disorderly conduct

breach of the peace

n.
The legal (https://www.wordnik.com/words/legal) offense (https://www.wordnik.com/words/offense) of engaging in public (https://www.wordnik.com/words/public) behavior which is violent (https://www.wordnik.com/words/violent), rowdy (https://www.wordnik.com/words/rowdy), or disruptive (https://www.wordnik.com/words/disruptive).

n.
Any public disturbance (https://www.wordnik.com/words/disturbance) or disorderly (https://www.wordnik.com/words/disorderly) behavior.

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Breach of the PeaceA comprehensive term encompassing acts or conduct that seriously endanger or disturb public peace and order.
A breach of the peace was a common-law offense, but is presently governed by statute in many states. It is frequently defined as constituting a form of Disorderly Conduct (https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/disorderly+conduct). Examples include using abusive or obscene language in a public place, resisting a lawful arrest, and trespassing or damaging property when accompanied by violence.
Statutes commonly require that conduct constituting a breach of the peace must be clearly a type of misbehavior resulting in public unrest or disturbance. As an example, a prostitute who solicited men walking by on a public street from her window was found guilty of breaching the peace, but a man who raised his voice to a police officer while the officer was issuing a ticket to him was not guilty of the same offense.
A breach of the peace is synonymous with a disturbance of the peace. Jurisdictions that do not have a specific statutory provision for the offense may punish it as a form of disorderly conduct. The usual penalty imposed is either a fine, imprisonment, or both.

More at: https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/breach+of+the+peace


A violation of the public tranquillity and order. The offense of breaking or disturbing the public peace by any riotous, forcible, or unlawful proceeding. 4 Bl. Comm. 142. ct scq.; People v. Bartz, 53 Mich. 493, 19 X. W. 161; State v. White, 18 R. I. 473, 28 Atl. 968; People v. Wallace. 85 App. Div. 170, 83 N. Y. Supp. 130; Scougale v. Sweet, 124 Mich. 311, 82 N. W. 1061. A constructive breach of the peace is an unlawful act which, though wanting the elements of actual violence or injury to any person, is yet inconsistent with the peaceable and orderly conduct of society. Various kinds of misdemeanors are included in this general designation, such as sending challenges to fight, going armed in public without lawful reason and in a threatening manner, etc. An apprehended breach of the peace is caused by the conduct of a man who threatens another with violence or physical injury, or who goes about in public with dangerous and unusual weapons in a threatening or alarming manner, or who publishes an aggravated libel upon another, etc.

More at: https://thelawdictionary.org/breach-of-the-peace/

*yawn*

I don't suppose you have a point to make?

I reiterate: Swampsmythe getting his little panties in a knot does not constitute a breach of the peace.

Swordsmyth
07-18-2018, 05:18 PM
*yawn*

I don't suppose you have a point to make?

I reiterate: Swampsmythe getting his little panties in a knot does not constitute a breach of the peace.

Speeding is supposed to be dangerous and disruptive, it is a breach of the peace according to the law.

acptulsa
07-18-2018, 05:23 PM
Speeding is supposed to be dangerous and disruptive, it is a breach of the peace according to the law.

Care to cite a precedent?

jkr
07-18-2018, 05:23 PM
ANIMAL
MORE =
THAN ?????

pcosmar
07-18-2018, 05:28 PM
What part of equal justice under the law don't you understand?

It is Fiction.
What part don't you understand?

Swordsmyth
07-18-2018, 05:37 PM
Care to cite a precedent?
The law is what matters, you must be a lawyer.

Swordsmyth
07-18-2018, 05:43 PM
It is Fiction.
What part don't you understand?

We are supposed to advocate making it fact, what part of that don't you understand?

acptulsa
07-18-2018, 06:04 PM
The law is what matters, you must be a lawyer.

So, do you have any respect, or maybe even a drop of affection, for the Constitution when it isn't standing between you and what you want to do at the moment? Because it has a similar provision, and your cavalier attitude toward it is just the sort of thing that has gotten other parts of the Constitution defanged.

Swordsmyth
07-18-2018, 06:07 PM
So, do you have any respect, or maybe even a drop of affection, for the First amendment when it isn't standing between you and what you want to do at the moment? Because your cavalier attitude toward it is just the sort of thing that has gotten other parts of the Bill of Rights defanged.

What does the 1stA have to do with speeding?

If you are confusing this with the libel discussion in another thread then my answer is that libel was never protected by the 1stA nor should it be.

acptulsa
07-18-2018, 06:12 PM
What does the 1stA have to do with speeding?

About as much as it has to do with the peace of the community. And thanks for asking.

Swordsmyth
07-18-2018, 06:21 PM
About as much as it has to do with the peace of the community. And thanks for asking.

Speeding is a breach of the peace according to the law, it shouldn't be but it is, until it isn't a legislator should get special treatment.

Anti Globalist
07-18-2018, 06:21 PM
Should of said he found out he has stage 4 pancreatic cancer.

acptulsa
07-18-2018, 06:24 PM
Speeding is a breach of the peace according to the law, it shouldn't be but it is, until it isn't a legislator should get special treatment.

You still have neither proven that it is nor proven that anyone but you considers it to be.

Swordsmyth
07-18-2018, 06:28 PM
You still have neither proven that it is nor proven that anyone but you considers it to be.

I most certainly have proven it by citing the legal definition of "breach of the peace" and my original post was a question asking why it wasn't considered one by the officer who pulled over the legislator, just because things aren't being run right is doesn't mean they shouldn't be.

acptulsa
07-18-2018, 07:00 PM
I most certainly have proven it by citing the legal definition of "breach of the peace" and my original post was a question asking why it wasn't considered one by the officer who pulled over the legislator, just because things aren't being run right is doesn't mean they shouldn't be.

The definitions you cited said nothing at all about operating motor vehicles.

You aren't interested in the rule of law or the principles upon which they may be based. You just want to apply the laws to those who piss you off.

If a cop pulled you over and cited you for both speeding and breach of the peace, you'd go off like a bottle rocket. You wuldn't come back to earth until long after your head exploded.

In one respect you have quite a lot in common with a disproportionate number of leftists. The letter, form, constitutionality and morality of laws seems to be entirely secondary in your mind to whether you can use them to jack with people who irk you.

Swordsmyth
07-18-2018, 07:10 PM
The definitions you cited said nothing at all about operating motor vehicles.

You aren't interested in the rule of law or the principles upon which they may be based. You just want to apply the laws to those who piss you off.

If a cop pulled you over and cited you for both speeding and breach of the peace, you'd go off like a bottle rocket. You wuldn't come back to earth until long after your head exploded.
That would be double jeopardy, speeding is a breach of the peace, the definition is broad enough it doesn't need to mention motor vehicles:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...%20the%20peace (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/breach%20of%20the%20peace)
Definition of breach of the peace


: a charge of making a lot of noise or behaving violently in public : disorderly conduct

breach of the peace



n.
The legal (https://www.wordnik.com/words/legal) offense (https://www.wordnik.com/words/offense) of engaging in public (https://www.wordnik.com/words/public) behavior which is violent (https://www.wordnik.com/words/violent), rowdy (https://www.wordnik.com/words/rowdy), or disruptive (https://www.wordnik.com/words/disruptive).
n.
Any public disturbance (https://www.wordnik.com/words/disturbance) or disorderly (https://www.wordnik.com/words/disorderly) behavior.


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Breach of the Peace

A comprehensive term encompassing acts or conduct that seriously endanger or disturb public peace and order.
A breach of the peace was a common-law offense, but is presently governed by statute in many states. It is frequently defined as constituting a form of Disorderly Conduct (https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/disorderly+conduct). Examples include using abusive or obscene language in a public place, resisting a lawful arrest, and trespassing or damaging property when accompanied by violence.
Statutes commonly require that conduct constituting a breach of the peace must be clearly a type of misbehavior resulting in public unrest or disturbance. As an example, a prostitute who solicited men walking by on a public street from her window was found guilty of breaching the peace, but a man who raised his voice to a police officer while the officer was issuing a ticket to him was not guilty of the same offense.
A breach of the peace is synonymous with a disturbance of the peace. Jurisdictions that do not have a specific statutory provision for the offense may punish it as a form of disorderly conduct. The usual penalty imposed is either a fine, imprisonment, or both.

More at: https://legal-dictionary.thefreedict...h+of+the+peace (https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/breach+of+the+peace)


A violation of the public tranquillity and order. The offense of breaking or disturbing the public peace by any riotous, forcible, or unlawful proceeding. 4 Bl. Comm. 142. ct scq.; People v. Bartz, 53 Mich. 493, 19 X. W. 161; State v. White, 18 R. I. 473, 28 Atl. 968; People v. Wallace. 85 App. Div. 170, 83 N. Y. Supp. 130; Scougale v. Sweet, 124 Mich. 311, 82 N. W. 1061. A constructive breach of the peace is an unlawful act which, though wanting the elements of actual violence or injury to any person, is yet inconsistent with the peaceable and orderly conduct of society. Various kinds of misdemeanors are included in this general designation, such as sending challenges to fight, going armed in public without lawful reason and in a threatening manner, etc. An apprehended breach of the peace is caused by the conduct of a man who threatens another with violence or physical injury, or who goes about in public with dangerous and unusual weapons in a threatening or alarming manner, or who publishes an aggravated libel upon another, etc.

More at: https://thelawdictionary.org/breach-of-the-peace/

PursuePeace
07-18-2018, 07:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOhtXOGOOcc

Ender
07-18-2018, 07:16 PM
An interesting side note:

A couple of years ago, Montana did an experiment and did away with speed limits.

The consequence?

The accident & death rates went DOWN.

PursuePeace
07-18-2018, 07:37 PM
An interesting side note:

A couple of years ago, Montana did an experiment and did away with speed limits.

The consequence?

The accident & death rates went DOWN.

Yeah, it's all about revenue.
At least here in Virginia.

Distracted drivers are what cause accidents.

acptulsa
07-18-2018, 07:58 PM
That would be double jeopardy...

Double jeopardy? Did you double check that with Alex Trebek?

You are the most reliable source of a laugh that I know. If you could make people laugh on purpose the way you can by accident, you'd make people forget Robin Williams.

You appear to have such conviction, and yet you spew such bullshit. And upon having your bull exposed, you spin at such length and with such dogged determination. I sure hope this is an act. I am, in fact, so convinced this is an act and pure trollery that I feel no need to tell you what you are if it isn't.

devil21
07-19-2018, 09:23 AM
I most certainly have proven it by citing the legal definition of "breach of the peace" and my original post was a question asking why it wasn't considered one by the officer who pulled over the legislator, just because things aren't being run right is doesn't mean they shouldn't be.

Breaching the peace has a victim of some sort. A neighbor disturbed or a business interrupted (some sort of economic disruption, really). Speeding itself does neither. Speeding is merely a violation of the Driver's License contract.

Swordsmyth
07-19-2018, 12:38 PM
Breaching the peace has a victim of some sort. A neighbor disturbed or a business interrupted (some sort of economic disruption, really). Speeding itself does neither. Speeding is merely a violation of the Driver's License contract.

They claim that every other driver on the road is endangered and disturbed and every pedestrian on the side of the road as well, it is a breach of the peace according to the law.

devil21
07-22-2018, 11:47 AM
They claim that every other driver on the road is endangered and disturbed and every pedestrian on the side of the road as well, it is a breach of the peace according to the law.

They are supposed victims, perhaps even imaginary victims, not actual victims. If what you say holds true then why does a cop cite someone going 120mph when there are no other cars or pedestrians around? What peace is being breached then?

Swordsmyth
07-22-2018, 11:51 AM
They are supposed victims, perhaps even imaginary victims, not actual victims. If what you say holds true then why does a cop cite someone going 120mph when there are no other cars or pedestrians around? What peace is being breached then?
The state's. (I know that is nonsense but that is what the theory is)
I'm not trying to defend speeding tickets, they shouldn't exist, but as long as they do exist the legislator should have gotten one.

devil21
07-22-2018, 11:57 AM
The state's. (I know that is nonsense but that is what the theory is)
I'm not trying to defend speeding tickets, they shouldn't exist, but as long as they do exist the legislator should have gotten one.

Nope, again, it is because it is a contract violation, nothing more. The legislator and the cop both know this so it's pointless for the cop to try to cite the legislator. The legislator knows how to get it disposed of and both are on the "same team". Do you admit that to be true?

Swordsmyth
07-22-2018, 12:03 PM
Nope, again, it is because it is a contract violation, nothing more. The legislator and the cop both know this so it's pointless for the cop to try to cite the legislator. The legislator knows how to get it disposed of and both are on the "same team". Do you admit that to be true?
I admit that the legislator is corrupt and powerful and that the kop doesn't want to risk his career by angering him with a ticket when there is a good chance that a judge will accept the legislator's claim of immunity.

The law is often ignored in favor of the powerful especially if there is the slightest excuse to do so.

devil21
07-22-2018, 12:06 PM
I admit that the legislator is corrupt and powerful and that the kop doesn't want to risk his career by angering him with a ticket when there is a good chance that a judge will accept the legislator's claim of immunity.

The law is often ignored in favor of the powerful especially if there is the slightest excuse to do so.

Or maybe the immunity clause is there because the legislators know how to nullify any citation/arrest for mere contractual violations and the immunity clause saves everyone involved a lot of embarrassment, time and money.