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Zippyjuan
07-11-2018, 06:33 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-takes-hammer-old-world-n890706


BRUSSELS — President Donald Trump has picked on some seemingly unlikely targets around the world of late: Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, British Prime Minister Theresa May and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

All three are more-or-less establishment figures running Western democracies that have long been allied with the U.S., and yet Trump seems bent on treating them more like adversaries.

Trump called Trudeau "dishonest" and "weak" last month. He has opted not to offer support for May so far this week as her government teeters on the brink of dissolution. And on Wednesday, he called Merkel's Germany a "captive of Russia" — a reference to the Nord Stream II gas pipeline project that has drawn criticism from Merkel's political left and right.

If ever there was a chance for Trump to tilt the balance of global power toward conservative nationalism and away from the old liberal democratic order, this week is it. And by trashing Germany and questioning the value of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization on Wednesday, Trump suggested he’s all in on taking a hammer to the latter.

His criticism of Merkel could embolden her right-wing domestic adversaries at a time when she's been weakened by a fight over immigration policy, and even a modest push from Trump could help topple May and deliver her job to a Tory who is more committed to isolating Britain from the European Union. While Trudeau is hardly in a precarious position, he is slowly but surely getting lonelier as the leader of a major democratic nation committed to international economic and defense accords.

After sitting down with Merkel Wednesday — and after launching his visit here by tearing into Germany over both the pipeline and its failure to hit a NATO target for defense spending — Trump is due to meet with May Thursday and Friday in the U.K. He has said her political fate is "up to the people."

But it probably isn't — and Trump probably knows that. May's most immediate problem is a push from within her own party to sack her with a no-confidence vote among party caucus members. If someone — perhaps just-resigned Foreign Minister Boris Johnson — can put together the votes to succeed her, May could be gone within a matter of weeks.

Her crime, in the eyes of national populists: Trying to engineer a softer exit from the E.U. than many of her colleagues wanted. Now her wisdom and judgment are being questioned not by the opposition Labor Party, but by fellow conservatives in the U.K. and around the world.

"Trump visit couldn't come at a worse time for May," one U.S. source with ties to U.K. conservatives said, adding that there is a "big push" to dump her.

Trump could show a sign of support for May, or refuse to take her side — or even possibly become an active part of the movement to replace her. Anything less than a full-throated endorsement would naturally be taken as a sign that Trump doesn't favor her remaining in power.

And, so far, he has withheld such an endorsement.

At the same time, Trump is eager to sit down with Russian President Vladimir Putin, a nationalist leader upon whom Trump has showered praise in the past. Rather than friend or foe, Trump has characterized Putin as a "competitor" in the international arena — even after Russia meddled in the 2016 election and even as Trump administration officials and members of both parties in Congress say Russia is continuing to try influence future elections.

Trump isn't just cozying up to a longtime foe and giving the cold shoulder to staunch allies. He's also making life difficult for leaders who have stood in the way of the conservative nationalist politics that have swept Europe and the U.S. over the last several years.

Now, with his up-close look at May imminent, the question is whether Trump will follow through in helping like-minded conservatives take her out or whether he will prevail on them to back down. It's hard to see him risking political capital to help save her, which suggests just how much peril she's in.

Trump prizes disruption — sometimes for its own sake — and promotes nationalism around the globe. There may be no simpler expression of those goals than bludgeoning members of an alliance for not spending more money building their own militaries.

Swordsmyth
07-11-2018, 06:36 PM
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Do you need medical attention?

Zippyjuan
07-11-2018, 06:38 PM
Do you need medical attention?

Prematurely hit post by mistake. Updated.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
07-11-2018, 06:41 PM
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Swordsmyth
07-11-2018, 06:41 PM
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fedupinmo
07-11-2018, 09:26 PM
Good.

enhanced_deficit
07-11-2018, 09:40 PM
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To be fair, he's pretty balanced overall and not very conservative on everything.

On gay weddings, bathrooms, big gummit spending, police state, gun rights, path to DACA etc he's quite liberal.
Although he hasn't admired Canada's healthcare system since taking office, so could be tad bit evolving inspired by his GOP base audiences warm claps.


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Swordsmyth
07-11-2018, 09:48 PM
To be fair, he's pretty balanced overall and not very conservative on everything.


On gay weddings,
This hasn't been demonstrated while in office and the military trans ban indicates against it.



bathrooms,
Actually his administration has been undoing O'Bummer's handiwork on that issue.

big gummit spending, police state,
Here is record is less than perfect.

gun rights, path to DACA etc
So far that has only been manifest in words while there have been deeds that indicate otherwise.


he's quite liberal.
"Quite" is too strong, he may have some slight liberal leanings.


Although he hasn't admired Canada's healthcare system since taking office, so could be tad bit evolving inspired by his GOP base audiences warm claps.
Or he might have been saying things he didn't mean before in order to please the rich and powerful he had to deal with in his business life.

enhanced_deficit
07-11-2018, 09:56 PM
This hasn't been demonstrated while in office and the military trans ban indicates against it.



Actually his administration has been undoing O'Bummer's handiwork on that issue.

Here is record is less than perfect.

So far that has only been manifest in words while there have been deeds that indicate otherwise.


"Quite" is too strong, he may have some slight liberal leanings.


Or he might have been saying things he didn't mean before in order to please the rich and powerful he had to deal with in his business life.

You make some good points but seem bit generous based on record of last 2 years while discounting record of last 20 years.

If your suggestion about his motives is true, let's hope that practice no longer continues and he does not say/do things to please others against his own convictions.
Hope you didn't imply that he doesn't have any convictions.

dannno
07-12-2018, 12:52 AM
Do you need medical attention?

Nah, he just hit another one off the fairway.

Jamesiv1
07-12-2018, 01:04 AM
Zippyjuan

That is a very pro-Trump article you posted... You know that, right?

Your Trump-love is starting to show a little bit. :)

timosman
07-12-2018, 01:12 AM
Zippyjuan

That is a very pro-Trump article you posted... You know that, right?

Your Trump-love is starting to show a little bit. :)

A rogue agent - Zippy - is covertly working on converting the rest of the office to Trump. He is also suspected of inhaling some liberty principles while working on a site supporting Ron Paul. He was recently heard saying to his boss - "I don't really give a fuck what you think". This prompted an internal investigation to examine his ties to Russia and the source of his fuck-you money.

Jamesiv1
07-12-2018, 01:21 AM
A rogue agent - Zippy - is covertly working on converting the rest of the office to Trump. He is also suspected of inhaling some liberty principles while working on a site supporting Ron Paul. He was recently heard saying to his boss - "I don't really give a fuck what you think". This prompted an internal investigation to examine his ties to Russia and the source of his fuck-you money.lol

Swordsmyth
07-12-2018, 01:21 AM
A rogue agent - Zippy - is covertly working on converting the rest of the office to Trump. He is also suspected of inhaling some liberty principles while working on a site supporting Ron Paul. He was recently heard saying to his boss - "I don't really give a $#@! what you think". This prompted an internal investigation to examine his ties to Russia and the source of his $#@!-you money.

Perhaps Zip has been in the pay of Putin since his visit to E. Germany where Putin used to be stationed?


I have been to Germany. Nice country. Also East Germany.

Jamesiv1
07-12-2018, 01:23 AM
Perhaps Zip has been in the pay of Putin since his visit to E. Germany where Putin used to be stationed?
It's time to call for a Special Prosecutor.

TheCount can be the deep-throat informer.

Zippyjuan
07-12-2018, 01:39 PM
Zippyjuan

That is a very pro-Trump article you posted... You know that, right?

Your Trump-love is starting to show a little bit. :)

The US needs to be more involved in the politics of other countries. Isn't that how Ron Paul would want it?

timosman
07-12-2018, 01:40 PM
The US needs to be more involved in the politics of other countries. Isn't that how Ron Paul would want it?


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Swordsmyth
07-12-2018, 02:16 PM
The US needs to be more involved in the politics of other countries. Isn't that how Ron Paul would want it?

We should set an example that shines the light of liberty throughout the world.