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Swordsmyth
07-03-2018, 02:12 AM
Michael Avenatti, the attorney for Stormy Daniels, alleged on Tuesday that a Russian oligarch paid Trump Attorney Michael Cohen $500,000 for “insights” into the Trump administration. The deposits were made in the months following the 2016 election.
After significant investigation, we have discovered that Mr. Trump’s atty Mr. Cohen received approximately $500,000 in the mos. after the election from a company controlled by a Russian Oligarc with close ties to Mr. Putin. These monies may have reimbursed the $130k payment.
— Michael Avenatti (@MichaelAvenatti) May 8, 2018 (https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti/status/993959992762994688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
NBC News (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daniels-lawyer-cohen-got-500k-russian-oligarch-viktor-vekselberg-n872481) reported:

Stormy Daniels’ attorney claimed Tuesday that President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen received $500,000 from a company controlled by a Russian oligarch, deposited into an account for a company also used to pay off the adult film actress.
Daniels’ attorney, Michael Avenatti, also detailed other transactions he said were suspicious, including deposits from drug giant Novartis, the state-run Korea Aerospace Industries, and AT&T — which confirmed it paid Cohen’s company for “insights” into the Trump administration.
If true, Avenatti’s claims, made in a dossier posted to Twitter, could add a new dimension to the federal investigation into Cohen.
Avenatti offered no proof for his allegations.
It is also not clear how the porn star’s attorney would discover the private information.
Now this…
The Russian oligarch is linked to Bill Clinton and the Clinton Foundation. The Examiner (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/emails-show-clinton-ties-to-russian-oligarch-under-investigation) reported on the Clinton ties to in 2016.

New emails show Clinton Foundation staff pushed Hillary Clinton’s State Department to approve a meeting between Bill Clinton and a powerful Russian oligarch as her agency lined up investors for a project under his purview.
The Clintons’ relationship with Viktor Vekselberg, the billionaire whose name appears in the documents, has taken on new significance amid an expanding criminal investigation into his company. Last week, authorities raided the offices of Vekselberg’s firm, Renova Group, following allegations of bribery from several of Renova’s subsidiaries.
Vekselberg had been named head of a partnership dubbed the “Russian Silicon Valley” just three months before a Clinton Foundation employee began pushing the State Department to approve Bill Clinton’s proposed meeting with Vekselberg and a handful of other Russian executives.
The emails, obtained by conservative-leaning Citizens United and provided first to the Washington Examiner, do not reveal any illegal activity on the part of the State Department, the Clintons or their foundation.
But the records shed light on one of many relationships that blurred the lines between the Clinton’s political, financial and philanthropic pursuits while Hillary Clinton served as secretary of state.
Vekselberg’s Renova Group has donated between $50,000 and $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation, donor records show. Another firm associated with Vekselberg, OC Oerlikon, donated $25,000 to the Clinton Foundation.
And Viktor Vekselberg is also linked to John Podesta
Via the Stone Cold Truth (https://stonecoldtruth.com/russian-mafia-money-laundering-the-clinton-foundation-and-john-podesta/):

Just how much money did Viktor Vekselberg, a controversial Russian billionaire investor with ties to the Vladimir Putin and the Russian government, launder through Metcombank, a Russian regional bank owned 99.978 percent by Vekselberg, with the money transferred via Deutsche Bank and Trust Company Americas in New York City, with the money ending up in a private bank account in the Bank of America that is operated by the Clinton Foundation?
Wikileaks emails tie John Podesta, chairman of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign, into the money-laundering network with the confirmation Podesta had exercised 75,000 shares out of 100,000 previously undisclosed stock options he was secretly issued by Joule Unlimited, a U.S. corporation that ties back to Vekselberg connected Joule Global Stichting in the Netherlands – a shady entity identified in the Panama Papers as an offshore money-laundering client of the notorious Panamanian law firm Mossack Fonseca.
As a clear indication of guilty conscience, the Wikileaks Podesta file further documents that Podesta made a serious effort to keep the transaction from coming to light as evidenced by his decision to transfer 75,000 common shares of Joule Unlimited to Leonidio LLC, another shady shell corporation – this one listed in Salt Lake City at the home apartment of the gentlemen who registered the company.
Further research has documented that Viktor Vekselberg arranged for two transfers of unknown amounts to a private Clinton Foundation account in the Bank of America,



https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/05/russian-oligarch-who-allegedly-paid-michael-cohen-is-linked-to-clinton-foundation-and-john-podesta/

Firestarter
07-03-2018, 03:27 AM
What’s the use of posting all of these media stories without connecting the dots?!?


Viktor Vekselberg is one of the 10 richest men in Russia, and together with long-time business partner Blavatnik (they met at university in Russia), Sual Partners, hold a 20.5% stake in the Rusal of Oleg Deripaska and Nat Rothschild. Blavatnik was born in Russia and has American citizenship.
In 1990, Blavatnik and Vekselberg co-founded the Renova Group; one of their earliest investments was in Tyumen Oil Co. (TNK), founded in 1995. In 2003, TNK formed a joint venture with British Petroleum (BP). That relationship ended 10 years later when they sold to the state-controlled Rosneft.
Vekselberg has connections to at least 2 Americans that made large Republican campaign contributions.


Goldman Sachs, Bonesman Steve Mnuchin owned Hollywood financing company RatPac-Dune with Len Blavatnik.
Mnuchin sold his stake before becoming Treasury Secretary without disclosing to whom.

Blavatnik is the founder of Access Industries that now owns Warner Music Group. In 2015, Blavatnik was called Britain’s richest man: http://www.conspiracyschool.com/blog/kompromat-trump-hollywood-sex-parties-and-russian-oligarchs-part-i
(archived here: http://archive.is/vjyG6)


US Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross is the wealthiest member of Trump’s cabinet with an estimated $2.9 billion.
In 2014, Ross led the €1 billion takeover of the Bank of Cyprus. The billionaire Russian industrialist Viktor Vekselberg invested in the bank takeover. Vekselberg was present at the December 2015 dinner in Moscow for RT, where Trump’s future national security adviser Michael Flynn and Jill Stein were photographed at the same table as Putin.

Some transactions through the Bank of Cyprus involved Paul Manafort: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/trump-commerce-secretary-wilbur-ross-business-links-putin-family-paradise-papers
(archived here: http://archive.is/eylvs)


Donald Trump’s relationship with Deutsche Bank began in 1998 when he “loaned” $125 million.
Part of the $10 billion in mirror trades through Deutsche Bank’s Moscow office involved money from Putin associates and childhood friends Arkady and Boris Rotenberg.
The Rotenberg brothers have a long association with Ukrainian oligarch Dmitry Firtash, who has long-time ties to Paul Manafort.

One favoured recipient of Deutsche Bank “loans” was giant telecommunications company VimpelCom (VIP), recently renamed VEON (214 million subscribers). It is listed on the NYSE and part of the Alfa Group of Mikhail M. Fridman and Pyotr Aven.
According to a 2 October 2016 report, Robert Mercer’s RenTec bought 866,100 shares of VIP.

Deutsche Bank helped US clients with “basket options” to evade taxes.
Between 2000 and 2012, Renaissance Technology (RenTec) purchased 29 basket options with a notional value of $46 billion and profits totalling $15.9 billion. The co-CEO of RenTec, billionaire Robert Mercer, contributed over $20 million to Republican candidates during the 2016 election campaign (and was one of the biggest supporters to Trump’s campaign). Robert Mercer also funded Breitbart and the SCL Group (parent company of Cambridge Analytica).
In 2016, Dmitry Firtash was a board member of SCL when Mike Flynn was a paid consultant. Cambridge Analytica employed Steve Bannon and Kellyanne Conway.

In November 2014, former CEO of Deutsche Bank, Josef Ackerman, became chairman of the Bank of Cyprus. This was proposed by its major shareholder Wilbur Ross. Josef Ackerman is also on the board of Renova.
The second-largest shareholder of Bank of Cyprus at this time was Viktor Vekselberg, another Russian oligarch and head of the Renova Corp. Vekselberg is also in business with Mikhail Fridman in AAR. Vekselberg sold his Aluminium company to Oleg Deripaska, who turned it into Rusal.

Another large shareholder of the Bank of Cyprus is Dmitry Rybolovlev, who was also in business with Robert Mercer as co-CEO of the Hedge Fund RenTec.: https://whowhatwhy.org/2018/01/15/deutsche-bank-global-bank-oligarchs-american-russian-part-2/
(archived here: http://archive.is/bxL3a)


See from left, Vekselberg, Deripaska (associated with the FBI), and Glencore's Ivan Glasenberg, after signing the 2006 agreement on merging the assets of Rusal, Sual, and Glencore.
http://www.savingiceland.org/wp-content/gallery/glencore/dynamic/glencore-sual-rusal.jpg-nggid041727-ngg0dyn-320x240x100-00f0w010c010r110f110r010t010.jpg

acptulsa
07-03-2018, 09:41 AM
What’s the use of posting all of these media stories without connecting the dots?

He's not paid to tell the truth--that the oligarchs pay the candidates of both parties to ensure they have influence no matter who wins. He's here to ensure no disaffected #WalkAwayCampaign former Democtatic voters come here and find we're kindred spirits. So, he fills the forum with partisan spam designed to scare them away.

After all, the wide base of support Ron Paul was attracting was dangerous to the swamp dwellers. Just a little more of a groundswell would have gotten the attention of the Bandwagon Voters, and that would have meant an anti authoritarian bipartisan populist movement reaching critical mass. The Powers that Be know an anti authoritarian populist movement poses no danger to them unless it's bipartisan. That's why they employ partisan spammers just like Swordsmythe.

Firestarter
07-03-2018, 10:53 AM
He's not paid to tell the truth--that the oligarchs pay the candidates of both parties to ensure they have influence no matter who wins. He's here to ensure no disaffected #WalkAwayCampaign former Democtatic voters come here and find we're kindred spirits. So, he fills the forum with partisan spam designed to scare them away. You could be right, but Swordsmyth regularly posts information that is close to being very interesting.
If he had not posted about this I wouldn't have known.

I estimate he posts some 200 articles in an average month...

In my next post some more information on topic.

Firestarter
07-03-2018, 10:54 AM
The attorney of Trump supporter and porn star Stormy Daniels, Michael Avenatti, has claimed that the Delaware shell company of Trump’s long-time attorney, Michael Cohen, received half a million dollars from a firm linked to “Russian” oligarch Viktor Vekselberg, Columbus Nova.
This was denied by Columbus Nova…
Columbus Nova quickly released a statement it was: “owned and controlled by Americans and not Vekselberg”.

In 2014, the FBI warned that a foundation controlled by Vekselberg could be used to spy on “sensitive or classified research”.
The Guardian reported that: “American investment vehicles managed for Vekselberg by Columbus Nova were used to secure $450m in loans that Vekselberg took from the Russian state-controlled VTB Bank”.
That looks like a cozy relationship between Vekselberg and Columbus Nova…

Then came the report that 11 days before Trump’s inauguration Vekselberg met Michael Cohen in Trump Tower, to discuss US-Russian relations.
In one of those strange coincidences, after the inauguration Columbus Nova hired Cohen for $1 million worth of “consultancy”: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/did-viktor-vekselberg-funnel-russian-money-to-michael-cohen.html (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/did-viktor-vekselberg-funnel-russian-money-to-michael-cohen.html)
(archived here: http://archive.is/nfuiT)

Swordsmyth
07-03-2018, 12:17 PM
What’s the use of posting all of these media stories without connecting the dots?!?
Because I don't always have or remember all the dots and


If he had not posted about this I wouldn't have known.

Swordsmyth
07-03-2018, 12:25 PM
He's not paid to tell the truth--that the oligarchs pay the candidates of both parties to ensure they have influence no matter who wins.
I post good and bad information about Trump, there just happens to be more good about him than any other president in living memory.



He's here to ensure no disaffected #WalkAwayCampaign former Democtatic voters come here and find we're kindred spirits. So, he fills the forum with partisan spam designed to scare them away.
That isn't my goal but if they are so wedded to their leftist religion that they just want to turn back the clock a few years and are scared away by my posts then we are better off without them, THEIR presence would scare away normal people and conservatives. (which may be your goal)


After all, the wide base of support Ron Paul was attracting was dangerous to the swamp dwellers. Just a little more of a groundswell would have gotten the attention of the Bandwagon Voters, and that would have meant an anti authoritarian bipartisan populist movement reaching critical mass. The Powers that Be know an anti authoritarian populist movement poses no danger to them unless it's bipartisan. That's why they employ partisan spammers just like Swordsmythe.
Leftist government worshipers are never going to join an "anti authoritarian bipartisan populist movement", a few may dally with us for awhile and try to take over and get us to embrace socialism but then the next comrade Bernie will come along and they will desert us, meanwhile their presence will deter anyone who actually might believe in small government.

Aratus
07-03-2018, 04:20 PM
Swordsmyth... Even JILL STEIN got Russian monies.
Hillary may have been luckier, Putin himself may only
have placed a spy on her immediate staff. How else to
explain the leaked materials Mister Assange took public?





You could be right, but Swordsmyth regularly posts information that is close to being very interesting.
If he had not posted about this I wouldn't have known.

I estimate he posts some 200 articles in an average month...

In my next post some more information on topic.


He's not paid to tell the truth--that the oligarchs pay the candidates of both parties to ensure they have influence no matter who wins. He's here to ensure no disaffected #WalkAwayCampaign former Democtatic voters come here and find we're kindred spirits. So, he fills the forum with partisan spam designed to scare them away.

After all, the wide base of support Ron Paul was attracting was dangerous to the swamp dwellers. Just a little more of a groundswell would have gotten the attention of the Bandwagon Voters, and that would have meant an anti authoritarian bipartisan populist movement reaching critical mass. The Powers that Be know an anti authoritarian populist movement poses no danger to them unless it's bipartisan. That's why they employ partisan spammers just like Swordsmythe.


I post good and bad information about Trump, there just happens to be more good about him than any other president in living memory.



That isn't my goal but if they are so wedded to their leftist religion that they just want to turn back the clock a few years and are scared away by my posts then we are better off without them, THEIR presence would scare away normal people and conservatives. (which may be your goal)


Leftist government worshipers are never going to join an "anti authoritarian bipartisan populist movement", a few may dally with us for awhile and try to take over and get us to embrace socialism but then the next comrade Bernie will come along and they will desert us, meanwhile their presence will deter anyone who actually might believe in small government.

Aratus
07-03-2018, 04:23 PM
As my very PRO-Bernie leftwing friends keep on telling me,
the Clintons and the Trump's socialized together in the Big
Apple. The FBI wiretap on one of Donald's customers in the
Bigly Tower was quite legitimate. Mueller likes to RED HUNT.
Reagan RED is not WORLD COMMUNISM. Reagan hated unions.

Swordsmyth
07-03-2018, 04:24 PM
Swordsmyth... Even JILL STEIN got Russian monies.
Hillary may have been luckier, Putin himself may only
have placed a spy on her immediate staff. How else to
explain the leaked materials Mister Assange took public?

I'm not sure what your point is......................are you?

Aratus
07-03-2018, 04:27 PM
Mr. Robert Mueller is a wise & old Cold Warrior.
Part Boy Scout, part Marine. Uncomplicated.
Direct. Bull Dog Drummond. Trump = impeached.
PENCE = POTUS and Dr. Rand can run in 2020.

Swordsmyth
07-03-2018, 04:42 PM
Mr. Robert Mueller is a wise & old Cold Warrior.
Part Boy Scout, part Marine. Uncomplicated.
Direct. Bull Dog Drummond. Trump = impeached.
PENCE = POTUS and Dr. Rand can run in 2020.

Mr. Robert Mueller is a snake:

Robert Mueller: Unmasked (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?521642-Robert-Mueller-Unmasked)

Aratus
07-03-2018, 04:44 PM
nooooooooooooooooo.... say it aint sooooooooooooooooo!

Firestarter
07-04-2018, 03:37 AM
The Clintons’ relationship with Viktor Vekselberg, the billionaire whose name appears in the documents, has taken on new significance amid an expanding criminal investigation into his company. Last week, authorities raided the offices of Vekselberg’s firm, Renova Group, following allegations of bribery from several of Renova’s subsidiaries. It’s been more than 1 ½ years that Hillary Clinton got Donald Trump elected as US President. Why do you keep on posting on the Clintons – who cares?!?
I believe that they (the Clintons) actually got paid millions to get their favourite puppet Donald “I’m a billionaire” Trump elected, because they know he has no morals and will stop at nothing to serve the interests of his financers.

8 years earlier Hillary also got Obama elected.
That was 8 years after Clinton/Gore got Bush Jr. elected.
That was 8 years after Bush Sr. got Clinton elected.
I’m afraid I’m too young to have followed the Reagan against Carter election, but I have found some convincing stories that the Reagan-Bush team actually paid Iran to keep the hostage drama going to get Carter out of the White House: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?508442-List-of-admitted-false-flag-attacks&p=6620988&viewfull=1#post6620988



Because I don't always have or remember all the dots and I don’t buy that. You’re perfectly able to connect dots (at least a lot better than most). I don’t think that I ask for the impossible…
If you again post about some crook donating to Clinton, you could (should) have posted that (associates of) Vekselberg has donated to Donald Drumpf.

In 1990, Leonard “Len” Blavatnik and Viktor Vekselberg co-founded the Renova Group. Vekselberg and Blavatnik hold a 20.5% stake in Rusal (controlled by Oleg Deripaska and Nat Rothschild).
Vekselberg has connections to at least 2 Americans that made large Republican campaign contributions.
In the late '70s, Blavatnik's family emigrated from the USSR to the US.

In the 2015-16 election cycle, US-UK citizen Blavatnik was one of the largest donors to the Republicans.
In 2015-16, Blavatnik's political contributions soared to $6.35 million only to Republican action committees - including Senators Mitch McConnell, Marco Rubio and Lindsey Graham.

Andrew Intrater has been reported as Vekselberg's cousin and is chief executive of Columbus Nova -Renova's US investment arm.
In January 2017, Intrater contributed $250,000 to Trump's Inaugural Committee. His gift got him invited to a dinner billed as "an intimate policy discussion with select cabinet appointees”.

From 1998 to 2003, oil magnate Simon Kukes worked for Vekselberg and Blavatnik as CEO of TNK. In June 2003, Kukes resigned as CEO of TNK to join the board of Yukos Oil, at the time the largest oil company in Russia owned by the richest Russian, Mikhail Khodorkovsky. Four months after Kukes joined the board, authorities arrested Khodorkovsky to make Kukes the CEO.
In 2016, Kukes contributed a total of $283,000, most of it to Trump’s Victory Fund.

From the start of the 2015-16 election cycle through September 2017, Blavatnik, Intrater, Shustorovich and Kukes made $10.4 million donations to US politicians (99% of it to Republicans): https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/c...-gop-campaigns (https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/12/15/putins-proxies-helped-funnel-millions-gop-campaigns)
(archived here: http://archive.is/zlfiu)


In 1993, Senator Mitch McConnell, who received $2 million from Lev Blavatnik, married Elaine L. Chao (Trump’s Secretary of Transportation). CFR-member Chao was an official in the Reagan administration and secretary of labor in both George W. Bush cabinets (from 2001 to 2009).

Elaine’s father, James S.C. Chao, is a long-time friend of the president of China in the 1990s - Jiang Zemin (they were classmates at Jiao Tong University).

Elaine Chao and McConnell are also connected to John Huang of the Indonesian Lippo Bank of the Riady family.
Lippo was at the centre of the Clinton “Chinagate” fundraising scandal, in which Lippo´s chief executive James T. Riady pled guilty to illegally donating to Bill Clinton: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?508005-Drugs-profits-for-Oil-wars&p=6467747&viewfull=1#post6467747


Maybe you explain something about a topic I know almost nothing about…
What has Trump supporter Stormy Daniels actually accused Donald Trump of?
That he paid her money for her “support”?!?

enhanced_deficit
07-04-2018, 05:28 AM
Is this being implied here that Michael Cohen was in bed with both MAGA Trump and socialist Clinton?

Thought Trump and Clinton were poles apart and had nothing to do with each other.


Goldman Sachs, Bonesman Steve Mnuchin owned Hollywood financing company RatPac-Dune with Len Blavatnik.

Is this confirmed?


In other news, lawyer Cohen has just hired is close to Clintons:



Former Trump Fixer Michael Cohen Is Hiring a Major Trump Critic as His Own Lawyer

Stormy Daniels’ Lawyer Says Michael Cohen Got Money From a Russian Oligarch
About $500,000.

By Bloomberg July 6, 2018

Longtime Donald Trump attorney and fixer Michael Cohen has brought in an outspoken critic of the president — a former special counsel for Bill Clinton — to help respond to a federal probe of his businesses and finances.
Lawyer and crisis manager Lanny Davis confirmed Thursday that he’s representing Cohen. Davis is the author of The Unmaking of the President 2016, in which he questions the legitimacy of Trump’s election and raises the possibility of removing Trump from office for “mental impairment.”
“Like most of America, I have been following the matter regarding Michael Cohen with great interest,” Davis said in a statement. “As an attorney, I have talked to Michael many times in the last two weeks. Then I read his words published on July 2, and I recognized his sincerity. Michael Cohen deserves to tell his side of the story — subject, of course, to the advice of counsel.”
ABC News on July 2 published excerpts from an interview with Cohen in which he rejected Trump’s description of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe as a “witch hunt.” Cohen also said he puts “family and country first,” before protecting the president.

http://fortune.com/2018/07/06/donald-trump-michael-cohen-lanny-davis/

acptulsa
07-04-2018, 06:51 AM
I post good and bad information about Trump, there just happens to be more good about him than any other president in living memory.

You keep saying you aren't biased, then proving you are. Though doing both in the same sentence is new.


Leftist government worshipers are never going to join an "anti authoritarian bipartisan populist movement", a few may dally with us for awhile and try to take over and get us to embrace socialism but then the next comrade Bernie will come along and they will desert us, meanwhile their presence will deter anyone who actually might believe in small government.

You keep telling us what won't work, just like everyone who's working at dividing Americans politically so the politicians can get away with bipartisan murder. But those of us who have been here since before John Bolton started paying people to spam for Trump know for a fact that Democrats can be convinced that government is better local, and we'd all be better off voting for small government libertarian federal candidates, and argue about how much socialism to maintain at the state and local level.

We know that case can be made, because we attracted quite a few of them to that cause. Yes, they abandoned that cause for Bernie, by design--Bernie got a lot of publicity and this forum was full of spammers designed to convince them Rand couldn't win because we weren't united behind him. You know, the Purity Test Spammers. They arrived about the time Bolton started hiring spammers. Just about the time you showed up.


It’s been more than 1 ½ years that Hillary Clinton got Donald Trump elected as US President. Why do you keep on posting on the Clintons – who cares?!?

Nobody on the face of the earth. But the important thing isn't that it makes us yawn. The important thing is, Independents and #WalkAwayCampaign disaffected Democrats see him spam about her daily and say, geez, these people can carry a grudge...


That isn't my goal but if they are so wedded to their leftist religion that they just want to turn back the clock a few years and are scared away by my posts then we are better off without them, THEIR presence would scare away normal people and conservatives. (which may be your goal)

Most Republicans vote for whoever gets the most publicity in the primary season. I don't know how to break this to you, but there's about 10% of the amount of traffic on this site since you committed yourself to making it safe for Republicans as there was when it was inviting to anyone who was interested in looking past the question, 'Who has the most famous and recognizable name?'

You probably reject the wisdom of, 'It's probably better to have him inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in,' because L.B.J. said it. But like everything of value the liberals have ever had, L.B.J. stole that--from a Civil War general. A Union general. A Republican. But you spew so much piss no one can get near our tent.

The numbers speak for themselves. And what they are saying loud and clear is, the people you want to chase away are many and the people you want to make this site safe for don't give a flying fuck about what we're doing here. If Bryan had a lick of sense he'd shoot you.

Swordsmyth
07-04-2018, 04:01 PM
It’s been more than 1 ½ years that Hillary Clinton got Donald Trump elected as US President. Why do you keep on posting on the Clintons – who cares?!?
Because she and her faction are continuing to attempt a coup known as Russiagate and because she and many of her faction should be shot for treason.



I believe that they (the Clintons) actually got paid millions to get their favourite puppet Donald “I’m a billionaire” Trump elected, because they know he has no morals and will stop at nothing to serve the interests of his financers.

8 years earlier Hillary also got Obama elected.
That was 8 years after Clinton/Gore got Bush Jr. elected.
That was 8 years after Bush Sr. got Clinton elected.
I’m afraid I’m too young to have followed the Reagan against Carter election, but I have found some convincing stories that the Reagan-Bush team actually paid Iran to keep the hostage drama going to get Carter out of the White House: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?508442-List-of-admitted-false-flag-attacks&p=6620988&viewfull=1#post6620988

This is incorrect, she wanted the presidency for herself both times, she made an alliance with O'Bummer because they shared interests and he was willing to give her a cabinet post and attempt to make her President after his two terms, her team initially wanted to run against Trump because they thought his old ties with their faction would ensure that he would roll over and hand her the presidency, after he made it clear he was running to win she switched to playing hardball.


I don’t buy that. You’re perfectly able to connect dots (at least a lot better than most). I don’t think that I ask for the impossible…
If you again post about some crook donating to Clinton, you could (should) have posted that (associates of) Vekselberg has donated to Donald Drumpf.
In the first place I don't keep an unabridged file on every crook in the world in my head or on my hard drive, in the second the article I posted does contain the allegations that there are connections between Vekselberg and Trump, in the third I am not posting a complete diagram of every connection between every politician each time I post a piece of news, I post the new information.


In 1990, Leonard “Len” Blavatnik and Viktor Vekselberg co-founded the Renova Group. Vekselberg and Blavatnik hold a 20.5% stake in Rusal (controlled by Oleg Deripaska and Nat Rothschild).
Vekselberg has connections to at least 2 Americans that made large Republican campaign contributions.
In the late '70s, Blavatnik's family emigrated from the USSR to the US.

In the 2015-16 election cycle, US-UK citizen Blavatnik was one of the largest donors to the Republicans.
In 2015-16, Blavatnik's political contributions soared to $6.35 million only to Republican action committees - including Senators Mitch McConnell, Marco Rubio and Lindsey Graham.

Andrew Intrater has been reported as Vekselberg's cousin and is chief executive of Columbus Nova -Renova's US investment arm.
In January 2017, Intrater contributed $250,000 to Trump's Inaugural Committee. His gift got him invited to a dinner billed as "an intimate policy discussion with select cabinet appointees”.

From 1998 to 2003, oil magnate Simon Kukes worked for Vekselberg and Blavatnik as CEO of TNK. In June 2003, Kukes resigned as CEO of TNK to join the board of Yukos Oil, at the time the largest oil company in Russia owned by the richest Russian, Mikhail Khodorkovsky. Four months after Kukes joined the board, authorities arrested Khodorkovsky to make Kukes the CEO.
In 2016, Kukes contributed a total of $283,000, most of it to Trump’s Victory Fund.

From the start of the 2015-16 election cycle through September 2017, Blavatnik, Intrater, Shustorovich and Kukes made $10.4 million donations to US politicians (99% of it to Republicans): https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/c...-gop-campaigns (https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/12/15/putins-proxies-helped-funnel-millions-gop-campaigns)
(archived here: http://archive.is/zlfiu)


In 1993, Senator Mitch McConnell, who received $2 million from Lev Blavatnik, married Elaine L. Chao (Trump’s Secretary of Transportation). CFR-member Chao was an official in the Reagan administration and secretary of labor in both George W. Bush cabinets (from 2001 to 2009).

Elaine’s father, James S.C. Chao, is a long-time friend of the president of China in the 1990s - Jiang Zemin (they were classmates at Jiao Tong University).

Elaine Chao and McConnell are also connected to John Huang of the Indonesian Lippo Bank of the Riady family.
Lippo was at the centre of the Clinton “Chinagate” fundraising scandal, in which Lippo´s chief executive James T. Riady pled guilty to illegally donating to Bill Clinton: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?508005-Drugs-profits-for-Oil-wars&p=6467747&viewfull=1#post6467747

This is all useful information but it isn't exceptionally useful, once you realize that just about every megarich or powerful person is connected to the factions and that the factions have many interconnections the exact connections are only important if you are preparing a prosecution or a conspiracy expose, I am not doing either.

I fully realize that Trump was and is connected to the factions that is why I didn't vote for him and was skeptical at the beginning of his administration, however it has become clear that at least two different factions have ceased cooperating and have begun to fight, the faction/s that Trump is working for/with is/are much better than those opposed to him.


Maybe you explain something about a topic I know almost nothing about…
What has Trump supporter Stormy Daniels actually accused Donald Trump of?
That he paid her money for her “support”?!?

I have studiously ignored the whole Stormy Daniels controversy, whether you support or oppose Trump or his enemies there are much more serious issues on either side, Daniels is a distraction and I believe both sides have used her as such once she was vaulted into the headlines.

Swordsmyth
07-04-2018, 04:03 PM
Is this being implied here that Michael Cohen was in bed with both MAGA Trump and socialist Clinton?

Thought Trump and Clinton were poles apart and had nothing to do with each other.

They used to hang out together and undoubtedly share many associates, that doesn't preclude the possibility that they have chosen up different sides in a faction war.

Swordsmyth
07-04-2018, 04:21 PM
You keep saying you aren't biased, then proving you are. Though doing both in the same sentence is new.
The truth isn't biased, what I said would only be biased if it weren't true.




You keep telling us what won't work, just like everyone who's working at dividing Americans politically so the politicians can get away with bipartisan murder. But those of us who have been here since before John Bolton started paying people to spam for Trump know for a fact that Democrats can be convinced that government is better local, and we'd all be better off voting for small government libertarian federal candidates, and argue about how much socialism to maintain at the state and local level.

We know that case can be made, because we attracted quite a few of them to that cause. Yes, they abandoned that cause for Bernie, by design--Bernie got a lot of publicity and this forum was full of spammers designed to convince them Rand couldn't win because we weren't united behind him. You know, the Purity Test Spammers. They arrived about the time Bolton started hiring spammers. Just about the time you showed up.
It didn't work by your own admission, liberals only want localized government when they think the larger jurisdiction is going against them, as soon as someone (and there will always be someone) offers to let them force liberalism on a whole state or nation or the world they will jump on board that train.
Meanwhile their presence drives away those who might actually stay committed to small and/or localized government.

I see you complain about "purity test spammers", so why do you act like one?




Nobody on the face of the earth. But the important thing isn't that it makes us yawn. The important thing is, Independents and #WalkAwayCampaign disaffected Democrats see him spam about her daily and say, geez, these people can carry a grudge...
Anyone with a brain cares about the ongoing coup attempt she is orchestrating and her unpunished treason.




Most Republicans vote for whoever gets the most publicity in the primary season. I don't know how to break this to you, but there's about 10% of the amount of traffic on this site since you committed yourself to making it safe for Republicans as there was when it was inviting to anyone who was interested in looking past the question, 'Who has the most famous and recognizable name?'

You probably reject the wisdom of, 'It's probably better to have him inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in,' because L.B.J. said it. But like everything of value the liberals have ever had, L.B.J. stole that--from a Civil War general.
That is idiotic.



A Union general. A Republican.
So it was another liberal scumbag.


But you spew so much piss no one can get near our tent.
LOL


The numbers speak for themselves. And what they are saying loud and clear is, the people you want to chase away are many and the people you want to make this site safe for don't give a flying $#@! about what we're doing here. If Bryan had a lick of sense he'd shoot you.

It has much more to do with you and the rest of the TDS brigade and the usual enemy trolls like zippy and thecount.
You have succeeded in driving away anyone who can recognize the good Trump is doing, those who haven't been driven completely away have been browbeaten into rarely posting, only the most determined of us bother coming here.

It also might have to do with the fact that we don't have any high profile candidates running major campaigns right now while Rand was running for President when I first came here from the dailypaul.


Dick Van Dyke Last night CNN International CNN gave me ten minutes live to talk about Bernie Sanders who has been scantily covered by them in favor of the Donald J. Trump circus. It was pre-empted completely to cover another outburst by Trump. This pandering to the scandal hungry public is a total lack of responsible journalism. I accuse CNN of extreme bias.



I am severely disappointed (but not surprised) to learn that Dick Van Dyke is a Bernie Bro, but I am grateful that you exposed yourself as one.

Firestarter
07-05-2018, 03:47 AM
Goldman Sachs, Bonesman Steve Mnuchin owned Hollywood financing company RatPac-Dune with Len Blavatnik.

Is this confirmed? I did an internet search.
I depend on the media that aren't reliable, but as far as I can tell this is “confirmed".

Firestarter
07-05-2018, 03:49 AM
Because she and her faction are continuing to attempt a coup known as Russiagate and because she and many of her faction should be shot for treason. I reply with a quote from you “That is idiotic”...



In the first place I don't keep an unabridged file on every crook in the world in my head or on my hard drive, in the second the article I posted does contain the allegations that there are connections between Vekselberg and Trump, in the third I am not posting a complete diagram of every connection between every politician each time I post a piece of news, I post the new information. It looks like you intentionally looked for an article that points the fingers at Clinton.
You’re looking for information that’s even more one-sided than the $hit we get from AP, Reuters or CNN (for distraction?). Maybe you could try Rupert Murdoch’s filthy Sun tabloid for a bit of variety…




I have studiously ignored the whole Stormy Daniels controversy, whether you support or oppose Trump or his enemies there are much more serious issues on either side, Daniels is a distraction and I believe both sides have used her as such once she was vaulted into the headlines. You confirm that you are able to connect dots, but when I connect these dots, you confirm that you intentionally (not unwittingly) started this thread for “distraction”…

acptulsa
07-05-2018, 06:26 AM
The truth isn't biased, what I said would only be biased if it weren't true.

You're pretending facts can't be spun?

And You're accusing others of saying idiotic things?

You never post facts which aren't mixed with plenty of opinion. Even--especially--when you just cut and paste zerohedge daily like a clickbait troll.


It didn't work by your own admission, liberals only want localized government when they think the larger jurisdiction is going against them, as soon as someone (and there will always be someone) offers to let them force liberalism on a whole state or nation or the world they will jump on board that train.

You paint with a mighty broad brush. Of course, when you're a Bolton spammer trying to aid the swampsters by keeping the populace divided, broad, sweeping statements serve your masters best. But they are all fifty percent lies, because half the people you're demonizing will prove you dead wrong.


So it was another liberal scumbag.

Do you classify all Army generals that way? Is that your take on Eisenhower? Just how small is your group of people we shouldn't consider the enemy and make no attempt to ally with? Will you not be happy until this forum has six members?


It has much more to do with you and the rest of the TDS brigade and the usual enemy trolls like zippy and thecount.

I talked about you. You, in turn, spend all your time trying to hang abbreviated, coded labels on me and associate me with somebody else on the forum. Amusing.


It also might have to do with the fact that we don't have any high profile candidates running major campaigns right now while Rand was running for President when I first came here from the dailypaul.

Took you a long ass time to get here from Daily Paul. It had been gone a long time. Get lost? Came by way of Bolton's office?


I am severely disappointed (but not surprised) to learn that Dick Van Dyke is a Bernie Bro, but I am grateful that you exposed yourself as one.

All I exposed is your pitiful guilt by association tactics and your habit of attacking the free speech of members. I mention Sanders and I'm accused of being a fan, despite a decade of evidence to the contrary. I demonstrate that Trump is such a tool of the swamp that he got even more publicity from the owned media than Sanders did, and you jump to distract people from that interesting fact by trying to say if I mention the blithering old socialist fool, I must be trolling for him two years late and a bunch of dollars short. Is that really the best you can do?

Sad!


Meanwhile their presence drives away those who might actually stay committed to small and/or localized government.

That's your whole schtick, isn't it? That's your one-trick-pony spiel. We can't have allies because they'll scare us away. Chase everyone who might align with us--even if only in national elections--because if we don't make them run away, we'll run away.

First, this forum was full of unlikely allies before you got here, when it was busy as Grand Central. Second, nobody with a lick of sense cares how someone votes in a local election unless they're neighbors. People in California can vote for small government national candidates--and yes, we had them doing it--in simple recognition that the federal government is big, corrupt and scary. And why would you care? You don't live in California. You look at it and screech about it a lot, and pretend like what they got is literally contagious--like freedom is so horrible one whiff of socialism will convert liberty lovers. But what happens there has no effect on you unless Boxer or Feinstein does it, and we had quite a few of them voting for Ron Paul. So, clearly, they can recognize that what they can get away with locally will not be safe and manageable federally.

The bottom line is, you work at driving them away, then use this as an excuse. But the fact is, there were thousands of them around here, and they didn't drive anyone away. You sweep in here two years ago and start choosing who among the formerly welcome has to go to make the forum safe for certain people, but the forum had a truce in place--uneasy at times, but functional--and you and your deranged Trumpcucks are the ones who shattered that truce. This is a fact, and you're about to prove yet again you'd rather spin this fact or ignore it than admit it.

And the worst part is, you love big government. You adore the stuff, so long as it's your favorite flavor. And you wonder how you've been spotted as an operative...


Thank You ICE!

You should be careful with that. You're so full of shit, your eyes could hardly be other than brown. what happens when you get your way and tens of millions of ICE agents, and they begin to consider non-Aryan brown eyes to be probable cause?

In actively trying to chase away people who could vote with us in federal elections, you prove yourself the enemy of our friends. And in advocating for bigger federal government and more intrusive ID checks, you are a friend to our enemies. So why would we pay attention to your johnny-come-lately assessment of who our friends and enemies are?

Swordsmyth
07-05-2018, 12:17 PM
I reply with a quote from you “That is idiotic”...
It is not but you are entitled to your opinion.



It looks like you intentionally looked for an article that points the fingers at Clinton.
You’re looking for information that’s even more one-sided than the $hit we get from AP, Reuters or CNN (for distraction?). Maybe you could try Rupert Murdoch’s filthy Sun tabloid for a bit of variety…
I didn't "look" for anything, I came across an article on an aggregator.




You confirm that you are able to connect dots, but when I connect these dots, you confirm that you intentionally (not unwittingly) started this thread for “distraction”…

I confirmed no such thing, this article is primarily about Viktor Vekselberg not Stormy Daniels.

I have tried to be polite to you and I have appreciated your contributions to this forum, please stop attacking me just because you don't think I attack Trump enough to suit you, I have a right to my position as much as you do yours.

Swordsmyth
07-05-2018, 12:22 PM
You're pretending facts can't be spun?

And You're accusing others of saying idiotic things?

You never post facts which aren't mixed with plenty of opinion. Even--especially--when you just cut and paste zerohedge daily like a clickbait troll.



You paint with a mighty broad brush. Of course, when you're a Bolton spammer trying to aid the swampsters by keeping the populace divided, broad, sweeping statements serve your masters best. But they are all fifty percent lies, because half the people you're demonizing will prove you dead wrong.



Do you classify all Army generals that way? Is that your take on Eisenhower? Just how small is your group of people we shouldn't consider the enemy and make no attempt to ally with? Will you not be happy until this forum has six members?



I talked about you. You, in turn, spend all your time trying to hang abbreviated, coded labels on me and associate me with somebody else on the forum. Amusing.



Took you a long ass time to get here from Daily Paul. It had been gone a long time. Get lost? Came by way of Bolton's office?



All I exposed is your pitiful guilt by association tactics and your habit of attacking the free speech of members. I mention Sanders and I'm accused of being a fan, despite a decade of evidence to the contrary. I demonstrate that Trump is such a tool of the swamp that he got even more publicity from the owned media than Sanders did, and you jump to distract people from that interesting fact by trying to say if I mention the blithering old socialist fool, I must be trolling for him two years late and a bunch of dollars short. Is that really the best you can do?

Sad!



That's your whole schtick, isn't it? That's your one-trick-pony spiel. We can't have allies because they'll scare us away. Chase everyone who might align with us--even if only in national elections--because if we don't make them run away, we'll run away.

First, this forum was full of unlikely allies before you got here, when it was busy as Grand Central. Second, nobody with a lick of sense cares how someone votes in a local election unless they're neighbors. People in California can vote for small government national candidates--and yes, we had them doing it--in simple recognition that the federal government is big, corrupt and scary. And why would you care? You don't live in California. You look at it and screech about it a lot, and pretend like what they got is literally contagious--like freedom is so horrible one whiff of socialism will convert liberty lovers. But what happens there has no effect on you unless Boxer or Feinstein does it, and we had quite a few of them voting for Ron Paul. So, clearly, they can recognize that what they can get away with locally will not be safe and manageable federally.

The bottom line is, you work at driving them away, then use this as an excuse. But the fact is, there were thousands of them around here, and they didn't drive anyone away. You sweep in here two years ago and start choosing who among the formerly welcome has to go to make the forum safe for certain people, but the forum had a truce in place--uneasy at times, but functional--and you and your deranged Trumpcucks are the ones who shattered that truce. This is a fact, and you're about to prove yet again you'd rather spin this fact or ignore it than admit it.

And the worst part is, you love big government. You adore the stuff, so long as it's your favorite flavor. And you wonder how you've been spotted as an operative...



You should be careful with that. You're so full of $#@!, your eyes could hardly be other than brown. what happens when you get your way and tens of millions of ICE agents, and they begin to consider non-Aryan brown eyes to be probable cause?

In actively trying to chase away people who could vote with us in federal elections, you prove yourself the enemy of our friends. And in advocating for bigger federal government and more intrusive ID checks, you are a friend to our enemies. So why would we pay attention to your johnny-come-lately assessment of who our friends and enemies are?
Your ravings are no longer worth a detailed response, it is flattering that you let me live in your head rent free and ascribe to me such great power and influence but it can't be very good for your mental health.

CaptUSA
07-05-2018, 12:31 PM
Your ravings are no longer worth a detailed response, it is flattering that you let me live in your head rent free and ascribe to me such great power and influence but it can't be very good for your mental health.

You might to take a vacation day or two. I'm sure your bosses will approve. If you choose to stick around, you might want to quit pissing off well-respected members of this forum. Believe it or not, some of us still really do believe in Ron Paul-style principles of liberty.

Swordsmyth
07-05-2018, 12:40 PM
You might to take a vacation day or two. I'm sure your bosses will approve. If you choose to stick around, you might want to quit pissing off well-respected members of this forum. Believe it or not, some of us still really do believe in Ron Paul-style principles of liberty.

I have a right to my opinions as much as anyone and I won't be bullied into silence by tulsa or you.
Tulsa is more deranged and obsessed than you but at least he has the class not to hand out -reps over a legitimate difference of opinion.

Zippyjuan
07-05-2018, 12:43 PM
You might to take a vacation day or two. I'm sure your bosses will approve. If you choose to stick around, you might want to quit pissing off well-respected members of this forum. Believe it or not, some of us still really do believe in Ron Paul-style principles of liberty.

He has to hit twenty posts a day. It is harder with the lower volume of action here these days.

Aratus
07-05-2018, 01:21 PM
He has to hit twenty posts a day. It is harder with the lower volume of action here these days.

Zippy... The place has become a ghostTowne. I remember when Matt Collins owned up to an
Alter-EGO by the snappy&neat moniker 'zanzibar' and curtail his bandwidth hogging a tad. If
SWORDSMYTH wants to SPAM us, then don't personally insult us needlessly. Be polite. Be nice.
The other day I had the crazy idea he and timosman were one and the same, in part due to
the similarity of their snarky put-downs of this old Trekkie~gonzo~Hippie!!!! Truth in Labeling.

Aratus
07-05-2018, 01:24 PM
You might to take a vacation day or two. I'm sure your bosses will approve. If you choose to stick around, you might want to quit pissing off well-respected members of this forum. Believe it or not, some of us still really do believe in Ron Paul-style principles of liberty.

Aratus/WONDERWOMAN is quietly genteelly agreeing with CaptUSA on the antics of a newbie to the eEVOLution! :)

Todd
07-05-2018, 01:32 PM
He's not paid to tell the truth--that the oligarchs pay the candidates of both parties to ensure they have influence no matter who wins. He's here to ensure no disaffected #WalkAwayCampaign former Democtatic voters come here and find we're kindred spirits. So, he fills the forum with partisan spam designed to scare them away.

After all, the wide base of support Ron Paul was attracting was dangerous to the swamp dwellers. Just a little more of a groundswell would have gotten the attention of the Bandwagon Voters, and that would have meant an anti authoritarian bipartisan populist movement reaching critical mass. The Powers that Be know an anti authoritarian populist movement poses no danger to them unless it's bipartisan. That's why they employ partisan spammers just like Swordsmythe.


Thanks....suspicions confirmed.

Aratus
07-05-2018, 01:37 PM
I have a right to my opinions as much as anyone and I won't be bullied into silence by tulsa or you.
Tulsa is more deranged and obsessed than you but at least he has the class not to hand out -reps over a legitimate difference of opinion.

Luv... acptulsa has a point. zerohenge rather than FOX. or Alex Jones...
And not even clever plagiarism and/or ghostwriting like what the Donald
pulled off in his book. Or JFK in his. At least Bill McKinley when doing a
book on Henry Clay and 1800s Tariffs wrote it his self. Same can be said
about the book Woodrow Wilson wrote on how presidents do things. As
I said, I know this nice guy JOE who wants to run in Ohio. He is at least
3 to 15 degrees to my right on most issues. However he wants to run in a
'rotten borough' on par with Edmund Burke's Bristol where the advantage
is 'blue' to the degree where getting within 3 to 5 percent of the victor is
predestined to set off GOP high hopes locally in Ohio. Despite how 2020 is.

Swordsmyth
07-05-2018, 01:39 PM
Luv... acptulsa has a point. zerohenge rather than FOX. or Alex Jones...
And not even clever plagiarism and/or ghostwriting like what the Donald
pulled off in his book. Or JFK in his. At least Bill McKinley when doing a
book on Henry Clay and 1800s Tariffs wrote it his self. Same can be said
about the book Woodrow Wilson wrote on how presidents do things. As
I said, I know this nice guy JOE who wants to run in Ohio. He is at least
3 to 15 degrees to my right on most issues. However he wants to run in a
'rotten borough' on par with Edmund Burke's Bristol where the advantage
is 'blue' to the degree where getting within 3 to 5 percent of the victor is
predestined to set off GOP high hopes locally in Ohio. Despite how 2020 is.

I have written very many posts that are entirely my own on a variety of subjects.

Aratus
07-05-2018, 01:45 PM
Unless I can get MATT COLLINs to shake JOE's hand publically in a photo-op so we all
can moneybomb proper, my gut is telling me that I must womansplain to poor JOE how
Charlie Baker got voted for by Democrats up here, let alone Bill Weld and Scott Brown.
JOE would have to sound and act like Mitt Romney to really come close in Ohio, selectively
but as a 'newbie' to POTUS running or the like, JOE has few stances that he can do a big
flipflop on. Therefore he must do selective quotes of Gentleman Mitt quips to draw Mittens
people to him. Then he can be forgiven if he sounds sorta Libertarian! There is a way to be
very civil libertarian and Libertarian in Ohio, and win! Without lousing up a moral compass.

Aratus
07-05-2018, 02:02 PM
Odds are, had the voting been more accurate in Wisconsin & Michigan, or even had more folks
voted in the fall of '16, We'd have seen POTUS Hillary womansplaining herself in a big glorious
impeachment trial, and we'd all have been inside the first ONE HUNDRED DAYs of Tim Kaine's
PRESIDENTIAL Administration!!! Impeachments are political. Paul Ryan would have controlled the
HOUSE. Mitch McConnell as our Minority Leader was infamous for micro-managing the U.S SENATE.
I honestly think MIKE PENCE is more like JERRY FORD than he is SPIRO AGNEW and will be our
president for roughly two years if Donald Trump discretely steps down. This being said, the other
thing JOE thinks I am wrong about come November is the color of the 'wave'... He seyz red, I say
blue but can be coaxed into purple, whether democratic or imperial with a finality. Swordsmyth, do
we have to get your permission to do the groundwork and foundation laying of the next wave of very
optimistic & hopeful public office seekers? If so, then explain why this must be so. We must prepare
for everything in the wake of an intense impeachment trial that hits in what is normally the middle
of a president's term of office. JOE is not totally on Mike Pence's wavelength, our veep is something
of a fundie, if he is the standard bearer of the GOP or just a lame-duck C-I-C it changes the landscape.

Aratus
07-05-2018, 02:05 PM
I can readily accept the idea that you have original thoughts in your head, Swordsmyth...
If you are newly slightly more respectful of my prosepoems to Mark Twain & H.L Mencken.
In thy youthful fervor please do not drive we hipster "hip" Auld~Tymers away. Thank you.

CaptUSA
07-06-2018, 05:30 AM
He has to hit twenty posts a day. It is harder with the lower volume of action here these days.

Takes one to know one, eh, Zip?

Fed apologists vs. the Russians - who will be the ultimate victor?!

Aratus
07-06-2018, 04:50 PM
I miss the days when Matt Collins was our messenger arriving from the omnipresent outside world
into our frontier boomtown in cyberspace. Now it's as if the price of gold or silver fell drastically...

acptulsa
07-07-2018, 07:11 AM
Takes one to know one, eh, Zip?

Fed apologists vs. the Russians - who will be the ultimate victor?!

They love to define the battles and define the sides.

Laugh about it, shout about it, when you have to choose.
Either way you look at it you lose.--Paul Simon

So, they lay out these great battlegrounds, and have their mock fights, and work at getting everyone worked up. And if people were to stop and think about what they're doing for one minute--escape from the herd mentality for sixty seconds--they'd realize it's laughable. Robber barons have us eating below-starvation wages and our savings are evaporating and we're setting the world aflame and the U.S. has never been more resented and they're building nuclear plants in the name of the environment so they can have more plutonium, and we're all worked up over either a failure to throw kids in jail with their parents or politicians who think they're Indians? Really?

And the amazing thing is how sanctimonious they sound when they try to sell these bullshit distractions as meaningful and worthy of fighting about.


This is why one of the greatest virtues is to speak your mind, doing so will make people either love or hate you rather than simply accept you but everyone will be better off and anyone with a lick of sense will respect you.

It will also get you targeted by those to whom you are a threat faster than anything else you can do.

Remember, kiddies. Spamming the forum full of zerohedge cut and paste and regurgitating the MAGA Talking Points of the Day in every thread is a great and noble calling that will get you put on a pedestal. Because what could be more glorious than a mainstream herd echo chamber, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing, in Ron Paul's name?

Someone tell this sheepdog no one considers it noble that he's trying to herd us like sheep for the benefit of the sheep shearers. We aren't sheep.

CaptUSA
07-07-2018, 07:18 AM
They love to define the battles and define the sides.

Laugh about it, shout about it, when you have to choose.
Either way you look at it you lose.--Paul Simon

So, they lay out these great battlegrounds, and have their mock fights, and work at getting everyone worked up. And if people were to stop and think about what they're doing for one minute--escape from the herd mentality for sixty seconds--they'd realize it's laughable. Robber barons have us eating below-starvation wages and our savings are evaporating and we're setting the world aflame and the U.S. has never been more resented and they're building nuclear plants in the name of the environment so they can have more plutonium, and we're all worked up over either a failure to throw kids in jail with their parents or politicians who think they're Indians? Really?

And the amazing thing is how sanctimonious they sound when they try to sell these bullshit distractions as meaningful and worthy of fighting about.



Remember, kiddies. Spamming the forum full of zerohedge cut and paste and regurgitating the MAGA Talking Points of the Day in every thread is a great and noble calling that will get you put on a pedestal. Because what could be more glorious than a mainstream herd echo chamber, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing, in Ron Paul's name?

Someone tell this sheepdog no one considers it noble that he's trying to herd us like sheep for the benefit of the sheep shearers. We aren't sheep.

Someone rep this man!!! I’m all out.

acptulsa
07-07-2018, 10:26 AM
One sells himself as noble for being condescending to everyone who doesn't regurgitate the Federal Reserve Talking Points(TM), and the other sells himself as noble for browbeating everyone who doesn't regurgitate every tweet from DJTveggie and demonizing them as Demoncrats(TM).

My goodness, what did we ever do to deserve all this nobility and enlightenment? :rolleyes:

TheCount
07-07-2018, 10:47 AM
Wow, this news will really hurt her chances in 2016!

acptulsa
07-07-2018, 10:50 AM
The best way to ensure an army loses the war is to convince them to waste their time fighting a battle which they already won.

Did Sun Tsu say that? He should have.

timosman
07-21-2018, 08:24 AM
Aratus/WONDERWOMAN is quietly genteelly agreeing with CaptUSA on the antics of a newbie to the eEVOLution! :)


https://i.imgflip.com/100iku.jpg

Aratus
07-21-2018, 06:18 PM
Am I wrong? Am I psychic? Or do I like going out on a metaphoric limb? As the tree falls...



Odds are, had the voting been more accurate in Wisconsin & Michigan, or even had more folks
voted in the fall of '16, We'd have seen POTUS Hillary womansplaining herself in a big glorious
impeachment trial, and we'd all have been inside the first ONE HUNDRED DAYs of Tim Kaine's
PRESIDENTIAL Administration!!! Impeachments are political. Paul Ryan would have controlled the
HOUSE. Mitch McConnell as our Minority Leader was infamous for micro-managing the U.S SENATE.
I honestly think MIKE PENCE is more like JERRY FORD than he is SPIRO AGNEW and will be our
president for roughly two years if Donald Trump discretely steps down. This being said, the other
thing JOE thinks I am wrong about come November is the color of the 'wave'... He seyz red, I say
blue but can be coaxed into purple, whether democratic or imperial with a finality. Swordsmyth, do
we have to get your permission to do the groundwork and foundation laying of the next wave of very
optimistic & hopeful public office seekers? If so, then explain why this must be so. We must prepare
for everything in the wake of an intense impeachment trial that hits in what is normally the middle
of a president's term of office. JOE is not totally on Mike Pence's wavelength, our veep is something
of a fundie, if he is the standard bearer of the GOP or just a lame-duck C-I-C it changes the landscape.

Aratus
07-21-2018, 06:25 PM
As the tree falls in the William James forest, is there an American Pragmatist capable of communicating
this factoid to all other Ph.D degree holders in Philosophy? Ploysci 101 people know the lay of the land if
they poll. I want to focus on the forest and also that one tree. The year 2020 looms large in my mind's eye.
Yes, the net is a Turing Test, and God could be on a keyboard typing away, too. (Did he call moi a b*tch?)
I must take the high road & pretend I didn't see the rude meme. I am impacting somebody's teen years.

enhanced_deficit
07-21-2018, 06:41 PM
Russian Oligarch Who Allegedly Paid Michael Cohen Is Linked to Clinton Foundation and John Pod



Cohen spied on Trump (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?524455-Don-t-trust-your-soul-to-no-big-city-northern-lawyer-(Cohen-spied-on-Trump)&)


Putting 2 and 2 together, does it mean a Russians/Dems agent was spying on MAGA just 2 months before 2016 Presidential elections?



That if true would be huge news, this is not being reported in much of MSM. Although a respected liberal Dem Senator said this few days ago:


Schumer: Americans 'will wonder' if Putin has dirt on Trump (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?524398-Schumer-(D)-was-given-speaking-time-at-Trump-(R)-inauguration-this-is-how-he-returns-favor&)
07/16/2018
"A single, ominous question now hangs over the White House: what could possibly cause President Trump to put the interests of Russia over those of the United States? Millions of Americans will continue to wonder if the only possible explanation for this dangerous behavior is the possibility that President Putin holds damaging information over President Trump," Schumer said in the statement.

Aratus
07-21-2018, 06:56 PM
He's not paid to tell the truth--that the oligarchs pay the candidates of both parties to ensure they have influence no matter who wins. He's here to ensure no disaffected #WalkAwayCampaign former Democtatic voters come here and find we're kindred spirits. So, he fills the forum with partisan spam designed to scare them away.

We need to focus on 2020. It would be nicer if "Mr.T" and "Mr.S" acted like
model Young Republicans with public office ambitions, while trying to find
themselves on these forums, and ceased with the stupidly snarky remarks.
There are folks who think these forums are not a wading pool, and take it
all more seriously. Bromances are bromances, and tagteams are tagteams.

Aratus
07-21-2018, 07:00 PM
Cohen spied on Trump (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?524455-Don-t-trust-your-soul-to-no-big-city-northern-lawyer-(Cohen-spied-on-Trump)&)


Putting 2 and 2 together, does it mean a Russians/Dems agent was spying on MAGA just 2 months before 2016 Presidential elections?



That if true would be huge news, this is not being reported in much of MSM. Although a respected liberal Dem Senator said this few days ago: (Schumer quote on DJT's motive)

Corporate espionage exists, let's opine that all oligarchs are not cookiecutter copies of each other.
Espionage proper seems like the Rocky & Bullwinkle show when its not Tinker, Tailor, Soldier... SPY.