Socialism vs. Trumpism --- Where Are The Libertarians?

[Brian4Liberty]

Socialism vs. Trumpism --- Where Are The Libertarians? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71GwzRPVcmA)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71GwzRPVcmA


The U.S. government continues to steamroll over the freedom of American citizens. Under the Trump Administration, it's done in a less PC-manner, but the walls continue to close in on liberty in America. Meanwhile Socialists see this as an opportunity to put the final nail in the American Dream coffin. Will the ideas of Liberty rise up to oppose this tag team?

[CCTelander]

"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically." - Ron Paul

[timosman]

"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically." - Ron Paul

This man is wise beyond his years. :cool:

[Swordsmyth]

Trump is the least of all possible goods, Ron needs to give him more credit along with the constructive criticism, perhaps he just is unaware of many of the good things Trump is doing.

Ron is also wrong about tariffs and trade, not only are defensive tariffs needed but he points out our money printing (rightly so) while ignoring all the ways other countries leech off of us. (particularly by suckering us into paying for their defense)

[Anti Federalist]

The same place we've been all along, hunkered down in the trenches while the artillery barrages of apathy, ignorance, statism and petty power fly over our heads.

Ron is wrong about only one thing...

Freedom is NOT popular.

[thoughtomator]

Trumpism has become a great acid test for those who wish to claim the libertarian label.

He is beyond a doubt the most libertarian President in any of our lifetimes, assuming we don't have anyone around who saw Coolidge.

[RonZeplin]

http://dflduluthexposed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/two-head-snake-dem-gop.jpg

[acptulsa]

Trumpism has become a great acid test for those who wish to claim the libertarian label.

Still peddling the partisan divide-and-conquer spam, I see.

If we aren't fascist we're communist? Is that your message, Herr Himmler? After all, the fascists do look libertarian next to the communists. So do tell us more about how every realistic libertarian should roll over on 90% of our ideals and embrace your brand of fascism.

Eisenhower was light years more libertarian than Trump. Ford was more libertarian than Trump. Hell, arguably both Kennedy and James Earl Carter were more libertarian than Trump!

[Ender]

Trumpism has become a great acid test for those who wish to claim the libertarian label.

He is beyond a doubt the most libertarian President in any of our lifetimes, assuming we don't have anyone around who saw Coolidge.

Actually Harding was more Libertarian than Coolidge- but he has been pushed down the memory hole so no one remembers him at all.

And, no, I wasn't around then. ;)

[Ender]

http://dflduluthexposed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/two-head-snake-dem-gop.jpg

Pretty much what I've been saying since I joined the forum.

[euphemia]

I’m not really into the labels because most of the most ardent voices calling themselves libertarian are not so much.

After 18 months in office, the major accomplishments of this Administration have been good ones—especially to the unborn. The Right to Life is the first of the inalienable rights, after all

[PierzStyx]

Still peddling the partisan divide-and-conquer spam, I see.

If we aren't fascist we're communist? Is that your message, Herr Himmler? After all, the fascists do look libertarian next to the communists. So do tell us more about how every realistic libertarian should roll over on 90% of our ideals and embrace your brand of fascism.

Eisenhower was light years more libertarian than Trump. Ford was more libertarian than Trump. Hell, arguably both Kennedy and James Earl Carter were more libertarian than Trump!

100% of libertarian beliefs have to be ignored for you to vote for Trump.

[euphemia]

100% of libertarian beliefs have to be ignored for you to vote for Trump.

So you voted for Hillary the Death Peddler and Money Wh*re who sold favors to enemies. Way to go.

[Ender]

So you voted for Hillary the Death Peddler and Money Wh*re who sold favors to enemies. Way to go.

How about "neither". That's the way to go.

[heavenlyboy34]

Trumpism has become a great acid test for those who wish to claim the libertarian label.

He is beyond a doubt the most libertarian President in any of our lifetimes, assuming we don't have anyone around who saw Coolidge.

He's funny AF :D but I wouldn't say he's an acid test for libertarianism at all. I'd call him an ideological clusterfuck more than any one thing. Perhaps "populist" is more accurate, but I don't think so.

[heavenlyboy34]

I’m not really into the labels because most of the most ardent voices calling themselves libertarian are not so much.

After 18 months in office, the major accomplishments of this Administration have been good ones—especially to the unborn. The Right to Life is the first of the inalienable rights, after all
Um, the whole recognizing Jerusalem as the "capitol" of Israel (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-white-house-speech-trump-recognizes-jerusalem-as-capital-of-israel-in-reversal-of-longtime-us-policy/2017/12/06/de9322e6-da9d-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1b8a65176b6a) was a really, really bad major "accomplishment". :p :mad:

[Swordsmyth]

Um, the whole recognizing Jerusalem as the "capitol" of Israel (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-white-house-speech-trump-recognizes-jerusalem-as-capital-of-israel-in-reversal-of-longtime-us-policy/2017/12/06/de9322e6-da9d-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1b8a65176b6a) was a really, really bad major "accomplishment". :p :mad:

No, it was a meaningless recognition of reality and compliance with the wishes of the host nation.

[heavenlyboy34]

No, it was a meaningless recognition of reality and compliance with the wishes of the host nation.

SMFH. I would explain that the actual capital of "Israel" is Tel Aviv and Jerusalem in reality has long been a territory divided among Jews, Arabs, and Muslims, (the al-Aqsa mosque, Church of the Holy Sepulchure, and many other holy sites are there) but it would be like talking to a brick wall.

[Swordsmyth]

SMFH. I would explain that the actual capital of "Israel" is Tel Aviv and Jerusalem in reality has long been a territory divided among Jews, Arabs, and Muslims, (the al-Aqsa mosque, Church of the Holy Sepulchure, and many other holy sites are there) but it would be like talking to a brick wall.

I could explain that a country's capital is any place it chooses in the territory it controls but it would be like trying to teach a pig to sing.

[Aratus]

Socialism vs. Trumpism --- Where Are The Libertarians? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71GwzRPVcmA)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71GwzRPVcmA

Cool video. Woodrow Wilson is not Eugene Debs, but most likely Bernie was cheated out of the nomination
by Hillary's people. If he ceases to be a Socialist as in totally, he can run again as a Democrat. I cannot fault
Doctor Ron Paul for blurring the fine line between NEW DEAL LIBERALISM and Socialism Proper. We know that
Mitt Romney was pitiless and thorough in his quest for the nomination in 2012, yet chose not to run in 2016.
Donald Trump with an orange level of ooze slithered into a political gap most Centrist in origin, and tilted us
to the alt-neo-Nazi but not Franco fascist right. IKE's moderate normalcy has mainly departed from the GOP.

[Aratus]

Oh forget poor sincere dour Calvin Coolidge, we actually yearn for an amiable and likable guy
very much like a latterday reincarnation of Warren G. Harding, who was not given to crusading.

[thoughtomator]

SMFH. I would explain that the actual capital of "Israel" is Tel Aviv

No it isn't and it's not your call to make unless you are an Israeli.

Whatever kind of thinking leads to telling a sovereign nation how and where it may organize its own government is bad thinking.

[thoughtomator]

He's funny AF :D but I wouldn't say he's an acid test for libertarianism at all. I'd call him an ideological cluster$#@! more than any one thing. Perhaps "populist" is more accurate, but I don't think so.

He's scored major victories in key libertarian priority areas: lower taxes, disentangling foreign commitments, deregulation, restoring the rule of law.

Ron Paul himself could achieve no better, and perhaps could not even achieve this much.

Trump takes a hell of a lot of policy direction from Rand and they are key allies.

People asking for more than this to have been done by this time, given the forces in opposition, are wildly unrealistic.

[heavenlyboy34]

No it isn't and it's not your call to make unless you are an Israeli.

Whatever kind of thinking leads to telling a sovereign nation how and where it may organize its own government is bad thinking.
Meh. Israel only has partial political control of Jerusalem. It has never fully held control of it. Whatever you or I or Trump say will not make Jerusalem the capital of the political State of Israel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel
Israel's economic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Israel) and technological (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Israel) center is Tel Aviv (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Aviv),[15] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#cite_note-lboro.ac.uk-16) while its seat of government (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_of_government) and proclaimed capital (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_city) is Jerusalem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem), although the state's sovereignty over Jerusalem has only partial recognition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_Jerusalem).[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#cite_note-17)[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#cite_note-18)[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#cite_note-19)[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#cite_note-20)[fn 2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#cite_note-21)

[thoughtomator]

Meh. Israel only has partial political control of Jerusalem. It has never fully held control of it. Whatever you or I or Trump say will not make Jerusalem the capital of the political State of Israel.

What part of it's not your call to make and isn't any of your business do you not understand?

[heavenlyboy34]

What part of it's not your call to make and isn't any of your business do you not understand?

I understood it all. Since it's a discussion board, I thought I'd flesh a simple answer into more of a discussion-type answer. :)